98,000 Federal employees owe back taxes to the tune of $1 Billion dollars

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"WASHINGTON -- Attention, federal workers: Pay your taxes or lose your job.

That was the message sent Tuesday by the House, which approved the proposed Federal Employee Tax Accountability Act aimed at the estimated 98,000 federal workers who owed Uncle Sam about $1 billion in 2010." "The $1 billion in tax debt for 2010 increased from about $600 million in 2004. "

Are you really surprised to learn that Federal employees don't feel like paying their taxes? You nor I would escape the IRS's radar if we owed back taxes but it seems
Federal employees have been getting a free ride since 2004.

Not surprising when President Obama chose certain people to staff positions in his administration he chose those that you guessed it owed back taxes too...

Tom Daschle-$120,000

Timothy Geithner-$42,000

Ron Kirk-$17,000

Nancy Killefer-$50,000

Bill Richardson- Undisclosed tax issues

Hilda Solis-Tax liens

Then there is Max Baucus Democrat Montana yep owed back taxes too.

Al Frankin-$70,000

Charlie Rangle-$20,000

Let's not forget that Warren Buffet close personal friend of Obama and the model for the "Buffet Rule" owes $1 Billion in back taxes as well.

So it is not surprising when the worker bees don't feel the need to pay their taxes when those in charge don't either.

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Romney paid no taxes for ten years

All those Dems should use Mitt's accountants. Apparently Romney has not paid Federal income taxes for ten years:

Reid doubles down on tax claims

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Oh come on Jeff...... REALLY?????

Uh yeah like someone told me that Jeff uses his connections to score dope for him and I call on Jeff to take a drug test to prove he is not an addict.. but he won't so there is your proof...

What Reid is saying is gossip and mudslinging at it's worse and here comes Jeff to help spread the BS.

Like the IRS wouldn't have gone after a REPUBLICAN candidate really Jeff?

If he did not pay have a Federal Tax liability then it was LEGAL for him to write off expenses.. That's not the same as not paying taxes Jeff.. DO YOU TAKE DEDUCTIONS? Just wondering because you might be a Felon too.

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Curiouser and curiouser
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That's not the same as not paying taxes Jeff

Well actually S. Lindsey, the way the sun shines on it, it is.

As I read it, the gist of JeffC's message was that if the story is true then Mitt has good accountants.

Mitt is empowered to clear all this up, should he choose to do so.

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Well actually stone no it isn't

If I made $100,000.. I paid somewhere north of $35,000 in taxes but I had a loss and expenses of $125,000... Guess what I will get back what I paid in at best I am a Net Zero Taxpayer... BUT I am still a Tax Payer, HOWEVER, this is all speculation since REID has no evidence of anything... he was just slinging mud.. Which is what you guys do.

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Well actually S. Lindsey it is

If at the end of the fiscal year the absolute value of Mitt's tax contribution is zero then a reasonable person would conclude that Mitt did not pay any taxes.

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...just slinging mud.. Which is what you guys do.

I am sorry to disappoint S. Lindsey, I am a blogging identity dedicated to clarity, which may look like mud to those who obfuscate.

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So Stone you are saying...

that 49% of Americans are tax cheats... ok I can go with that.

You know how to fix that don't you... It's called a Fair Tax or Flat Tax.

Tell you what I will make the same deal with you that I made with DM.. I will get Romney to release more tax records then is required and you get Obama to release his financial records.

I've always wonders how he became a Multi-Millionaire when he never really held a high paying job and his Senate salary which he only drew for 1 year is only $118,000 a year and his Presidential Salary is $150,000 so.....

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More Alinsky Style Demonisation

Romney should respond to the Mocha Marxist's propaganda with a proposal that he will disclose his tax returns as soon as Obama discloses his Fast and Furious involvement!

He could even say an unknown source said he was involved!

They are so easy to see through.

At least no one died from Romney's tax returns! GP

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Georgia Patriot - Reid's propaganda

Alinsky style Marxism;

When communist artisans associate with one another, theory, propaganda, etc., is their first end. But at the same time, as a result of this association, they acquire a new need — the need for society — and what appears as a means becomes an end. - Karl Marx

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Marxism - some theories used by many

When some Tea Party supporters and southern strategists associate with one another, theory, propaganda, etc., is their first end. But at the same time, as a result of this association, they acquire a new need The need to slow down the browning of America and the end to diversity. A little different slant on Marxism, with a pinch of Alinsky.

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Racism - The last refuge of an Obama supporter

There goes the ol' race card again. Right on schedule.
Obama is against the ropes. He's blown through all the campaign cash trying to divide the county. It's time to call the troops out to accuse the opponents of fascism of, yes - Racism!!
What else do they have? Obama doesn't have a clue as to how to lead.

Obama doesn't care about America or its citizens. His goal is to make everyone dependent on government in one way or another, purely for politcal purposes.

He will do and say anything to his supporters because he knows that they are too stupid to know any better. That especially goes for you David's Mom.

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Grizz

There are many issues that are not 'race' issues. You post more like what one finds on the 'white supremacy' web pages.
Been to any 'band concerts' lately ? Those who are against Obama have made a sincere effort in this discussion nott to tie their opposition to 'race'. You and Joe don't fit that category. ( Now the name-calling begins - so predictable )

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Gee, guess the NAACP didn't get that memo. Unless my memory

fails me, didn't the NAACP align with the TeaParty to help defeat T-SPLOST? Guess they hadn't learned that the TeaParty was trying to slow down the browning of America--since the majority of the membership of NAACP could be classified as brown, I would imagine.

And, I guess I would be considered brown--guess I better be on my guard.

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Marxism - some theories used by many
When some Tea Party supporters and southern strategists associate with one another, theory, propaganda, etc., is their first end. But at the same time, as a result of this association, they acquire a new need The need to slow down the browning of America and the end to diversity. A little different slant on Marxism, with a pinch of Alinsky.

Note the word 'some'. Just showing that many groups use the strategy of Karl Marx and Alinsky -a parable on what Major Mike shared.

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"Mocha Marxist" patriot???

Yeah...; no racism there!

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Mocha is just a color, flyboy. Marxist is an insult

Obama dude may be mocha (which is irrelevant) but he is certainly a fascist. Government control of private business, don't you know. Like GM and more to come in his second term, don't you know?

What if the Chick-fil-A flapper had happened in his second term? What would he do?

1. Round up all the usual suspects and make them go on CNN?
2. Get Eric Holder to bring in Dan Cathy for an interview?
3. Raise taxes on everyone who has ever eaten at Chick-fil-A?
4. Take over Chick-fil-A and have the government run it and redistribute their profits because that is "Fair".

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Racist?

So Marxism is now a race, I must missed that one, I guess it was probably a headline story on MSNBC.

Well bird.... , your racist remark aint gonna fly here, the Mocha I was referring to is a medium tan color, kinda nice, sorta like a John Boehner tan (another Mocha dude).

Actually, I was going to be factually correct and type in Half White Marxist but it was just too long!

But come to think of it, I should have used that, because that way you could just hate him because of the white part....hmmm, something about if the shoe fits,.. or maybe glass house's. GP

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Sorry Georgia Patriot but

a racist comment is a racist comment. And "So Marxism is now a race, I must missed that one," cute, but even YOU aren't that stupid. You know exactly what I mean. Deny it if you like. Doesn't really matter. But I have to assume that you have NEVER in your life referred to a sitting President by the color of his skin, until now. I imagine you had plenty of "colorful" names for Clinton, but I'll wager NONE of them referred to his race or skin color. So, sorry, racism is racism.

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Our First Black President

Bird...you want to talk about Racism?

Answer this then, why will so many African Americans vote for President Obama based solely on the color of his skin?

You and I both know I am right on this one, I just want to see if you are able to accept this fact or would you rather just keep playing the old worn-out race card instead?

On a personal note I have made only two campaign contributions in the last four years, one was to Alan West and one was to Herman Cain, think what you will but I judge not on color of skin but on content of character, as should we all. GP

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Ok Georgia Patriot I'll answer your questions

First, do you really think that the African American community tends to vote Repulican?? Not so. There wasn't a huge increase in African American votes for Obama vs. Kerry. True there was an increase. True the African American community was excited by the first African American President. Is this Racist? Well it certainly could be called that. On the same hand, how many whites voted against Obama simply because he was black? And I never said that there wasn't race involved in peoples decision to vote for or against Obama. What I said was that your comment "Mocha Marxist" was Racist. And it is. You can show your "amazing blind eye" toward race by saying you supported Herman Cain all you want, but the very fact that you characterize Obama by the color of his skin is racist.
Look GP, it's no big deal. Most everyone has racial biases. Your denial of your comment is like Romney's denial of his wealth. It's ok in America to be racist. It's also ok for me to call you on it. You can try to claim to be "fair minded" all you want, but everyone on this blog knows differently. Romney can claim to just "one of the guys" but everyone in America knows differently.
So "on a personal note," you may have contributed to Herman Cain and Alan West, but the very fact that you recognize first off the color of their skin and use it as proof of your "open-minded tolerance" proves my very point. It's the old adage: "I have nothing against Black people, some of my best friends are Black." The mere fact that skin color matters is showing a recognition of race as a factor.
Or like I asked, have you ever referred to a sitting President by the color of his skin? You know, did you call Clinton "the Vanilla Bubba," or Bush the "Vanilla Texan," or Reagan the "Vanilla Actor," or... gee.... seems we had a lot of "Vanilla" Presidents.
P.S. Boehner is definitely NOT Mocha, I'd say more a "bad spray tan Tangerine." Since he's Speaker of the House, maybe you could dub him the "Tangerine Talker."

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Racism's Magic Eye

I suggest you have a vivid imagination, it must be tough going through life seeing a racist behind every tree.

You accuse me of making a racist comment but ignore the facts.
I whole heartily supported Herman Cain and prayed would be our nominee, based on what I had seen in the man the last few years, unfortunately it didn't happen, does that sound like a racist?

A black racist would respond to that question by saying that Herman Cain was not a REAL black man, making the assumption that no black man could be a conservative.

I find it funny that you chose to attack the Mocha part and just ignored the Marxist part, what's up with that?
But I already know the answer, part of Alinsky's tactics, point fingers and demonize instead of dialogue.

I can assure you a have the same revulsion when I hear of any Marxist,
and treat them all with disdain.

So to sum it up, the Mocha Marxist and the Orange Rino both gotta go. GP

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Flat tax, flat tax, flat tax.

Damn the torpedoes; enact a flat tax on all non-adjusted base incomes. Work out the semantics later...

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Flat tax Flat tax. Flat tax

That's a better slogan than 9. 9. 9!

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9,9,9 & Flat Tax

Herman likes the Fair Tax too but just prefers his own invention!

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The real issues - AHG

I wish we were discussing the difference in the plans of the respective parties rather than reacting to the 'mud-slinging'. Some economists are saying no matter what is done - and who is in control - the economy still has a long way to go for consistent recovery. This is why Romney/Obama care is so important to so many citizens - it will be difficult to give up the some of the new aspects of health care under Romney/Obama care. The 'repeal' health care is not sitting well with a lot of US citizens.

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Real issues

Tend to agree but don't see a total repeal of AHCA without replacement of most popular aspects, like guaranteed insurance with existing conditions and retaining dependents (I hesitate to call them 'children' up to age 26 on parents insurance. Don't know about you, but I left the umbrella support of my parents at age 20 and never again had financial help of any sort. Ah yes, but today, times (and people) are different!

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Different times

Yup - we were considered grown and independent at 21! Let's hope that instead of the 'advertised' total repeal - a well thought out plan will be retained. The cost of hospital care must be revisited. (And I hope the realization of preventative care will be factored into the cost of health care) The less 'illness' - a healthier country and the lower cost of 'health care'.

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Tort reform DM

Would make a tremendous stride towards controlling cost but guess what? We will never get it.. Why? Because we keep electing LAWYERS who become Politicians.
They are not going to vote themselves out of a job now are they?

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Malpractice Insurance

costs have driven numerous medical providers out of business. Needs to be fixed. Is that related to tort reform? I admit ignorance to those legal issues.

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Currently reading 'The Litigators' by Grisham...

...and reminds me a lot of his 'Tort Kings'. He really exposes the true goal of tort litigation (and/or settlements), and it's not on the plaintiffs behalf, but then again it is, as those 'litigators' rake it in & take a great share of the spoils. Individual cases, I imagine, depending on the severity of the harm/issue, reap much the same for them. I can't imagine how you could set a limit on, say, a death case(s), where one might be obvious negligence and another not so obvious; shouldn't it be up to a unique group of jurists to decide, not some government regulation(s)?

I do have personal experience in such a case, and given I was accepting of settlement, I wasn't so sure it should have been so much, but our lawyer was the driving force so we followed her lead, as we felt we'd been injured and this was our first foray into this world. They took 33% + fees/costs, which ended up w/ us receiving about 55%, so I guess it was fair as we would have been lost without them. Were we just part of a tort wave after this pharma? I don't know, but suspect so.

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The Litigators by John Grisham. Best book in 10 years

Best and funniest book I have read in 10 years. Grisham just gets better and better. The message of the book is quite clear.

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Grisham

One of my favorites! The Litigators - I plan to read soon!

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AHG yes that is part of it...

Tort reform must be one of the goals. A loser pays system coupled with REAL loss awards not some feel good mak'em pay they got insurance system that we have now...

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SL. Never?

My life experience has taught me 'never say never'. Maybe we'll see- or our grands will see.

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??Dm??

What do you mean Never? I don't see the post you are talking about.

Never mind I think I know what you are referring to.

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I was referring to your comment here

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Would make a tremendous stride towards controlling cost but guess what? We will never get it.. Why? Because we keep electing LAWYERS who become Politicians.
They are not going to vote themselves out of a job now are they?

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9-9-9 or Fairtax

Either would be a big improvement over what we have now.

We need to find a way to starve this beast, the leaderless House should be doing it's part with funding cuts but it is SPINELESS.

We need to replace the Orange man ASAP. GP

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JeffC - Repeating a lie

Come on Jeff, even you should know better than to attempt to justify schlock like that. Reid doubles down on tax claims? Repeating an assertion (lie) does not make it true.

And... the lie appears to be the coin of Obama and his merry band of socialists. You really don't hear "Bush lied!" much any more, now do you?

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Major Mike - a lie is a lie etc. etc.
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Repeating an assertion (lie) does not make it true.

So true!

!What about these?
Born in Kenya! Poor grades at Harvard! Is a Marxist! Is a half white Marxist! (it has just been reported that his mothers family is related to the first African slave.). Now using the 'one drop ' rule that some racists insisted on back in the day -
Obama, like many Americans, has a heritage of African blood before his momma married his daddy.

But of course this is irrelevant to the issue at hand. Close the loopholes - or as some say. - get a better accountant!

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So lying is justfied

because someone else did it too?

Glad to know where your moral boundaries lie.

Harry Reid is not just some blogger or pundit DM he is the Senate Majority leader and as such is held to a higher standard. Well they where up until this Administration anyway....

It's called a "PROGRESSIVE" tax for a reason.. and the Politicians write the "loopholes" so......

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SL - Truth is needed here

Lie justified? Nope , didn't say that did I? Obama published multiple tax returns as did Romney's daddy. Certainly Romney has nothing to hide. Is this worth the distraction? Is this wisdom when we have young men and women losing their lives on foreign land - and families who are homeless here in the US? Publish your legal tax returns and tell us how you are going to change this country in a few months! We know you're rich, we know you nave great accountants, we know you have no reason to break the law. Why give the impression you have something to hide?

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Dm tell you what

You get Obama to release his College Transcripts and I will get Romney to release more then is required.

Heck I will even compromise a little I will settle for releasing the documents on Fast and Furious.

That's the REAL truth here DM not some mud slinging charges.

btw- the American people aren't buying the BS the Democrats are flinging. so.... it's about the Economy STUPID after all.

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Obama and Holder Hide,

THE FACTS WHY PEOPLE DIED!

This should be shouted from the rooftops!

The smoke from this is everywhere, the fire must be huge!

This is larger than Watergate, if we still had the 4th branch of government this would be HEADLINES!

Congress must do it's Constitutional duty, the House should have already introduced Impeachment proceedings! GP

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Bush lied? Who's telling the truth now?

- or was lied to by Cheney, Scooter Libby, and others. Very happy that Bush didn't pardon Libby at Cheney's request. Not forgotten. A lot will resurface during the debates. The American public wants to know who will be advising Romney and Obama in this slow recovery and sensitive period of foreign relations.

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JeffC - You

You have bigger things as a Democrat to worry about than Mr. Romney's taxes.

You have the Congress to worry about, you're about to lose it.

The tide is turning and it won't turn back for a long long time.

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I am sorry people can be so viscous

Steve, I would send this to you privately if it was possible. I would not choose to embarrass you publicly if I had a choice. Your statement about the IRS radar is stupid. There are a lot of private citizens that owe taxes. Your self-serving posts express nothing more than a need for attention, in this case by attacking Americans who serve our country. Being Mr. Right and a smartypants has clouded your basic humanity. The purpose of intellect should be to solve problems. Drudging up whatever you can find to make you look good is not the objective. I invite you to be a patriot, help solve issues and quit trying to divide and conquer. We need all of the help we can get.