The Hispanic American Vote - 2012

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This week, Latino Decisions released a poll that gives Obama 70% of the Latino vote to Romney's 22%, the highest support the president has enjoyed from the Latino community to date. If those numbers hold, it will be very hard for Romney to win the election.

Three months to go.

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Romney and the Latino Vote

Some members of the GOP are constantly referring to 'foreign' and 'un-American' citizens. This has taken a toll with the Hispanic-American community. . . . and they are leaning towards Obama. Romney is commended for attending the Hispanic leadership convention. It is too bad that these comments that affect legal immigrants and their families who do not look European-American are losing him support in a viable American community.

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Astonishing DM

In New Mexico, Florida, Nevada, and Colorado, the Latino vote might very well be determinative. Besides those states, in Connecticut, Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Massachusetts, Latinos account for over 5% of potential voters. In Wisconsin since 2000, the Latino population grew by 74% compared to 1% growth for whites. Wisconsin could determine the outcome of the Presidential race in several scenarios.

It certainly seems to be a constituency worth considering but apparently they think not. The xenophobes are in control of that aspect of the Republican Party's policy. They are extremely hard-line and the money side of the Party can't change it. What does Romney really care? Not much that I can tell. Business makes a lot of money using these low wage workers and Mitt even said the reason he couldn't have illegal aliens working on his lawn was because he was running for President. He is not anywhere nearly as committed as his hard core base about immigration but he's trapped by the extremist factions that will allow no compromise and they are watching him closely, alert to any deviation from their orthodoxy.

Marco Rubio recognized all of this and was supposed to be the Rs go to guy for a fix. One of Rubio's main ideas was to come up with a mechanism whereby children in high school were not going to be deported. When Obama implemented this as policy, the Rs were blindsided. Instead of riding the proposal that they, through Rubio, had hoped would gain them Latino support, now they were forced to denounce it because it became (OMG) Obama's initiative.

The scale of Obama's initiative and the trap the Rs fell into with their reaction of denouncing in the most vociferous terms the policy that they themselves had identified as the best political move to attract Latinos to their Party is breathtaking. Obama's lead among Latinos in Florida jumped 22% moving his overall state average up almost 4% from what it was before his initiative. If I was Rubio, I'd have been on the Senate floor the next day introducing my legislation and welcoming Obama to a reasonable discussion on immigration. Instead, Rubio collapsed and decided not to introduce his legislation until next year. I'd really like to know who pressured him into that? You'd think the Romney people would be on Rubio's side and go for the Latino vote but, as I said, the extremist factions that will allow no compromise and no agreement with Obama are in complete control on this issue and it has become another litmus test that Mitt must constantly pass to keep them appeased because they don't trust that he is hard-line enough on immigration policy.

So their reaction and response is astonishing but not surprising. After all, many of these people don't even think the President is American. What chance does an Hispanic have?

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You may be right...

The illegal Alien vote is going to be big... That is why Florida is trying to clean-up their voters roles and the Justice Dept is suing them to keep them on it.

Then comes the chads... and then what was the intent of the voter... so got to have a way to swing the vote to Obama.. Can't trust the people after all.

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illegal Alien vote?

You are right. Illegals should not be able to vote. What is happening by cleaning up the voting rolls of latin/Hispanic names is losing the LEGAL HISPANIC VOTE for the Republican Party. It was rumored that Marc Rubio's name was on the 'clean-up' list. Families in Texas who were awarded land grants by the King of Spain, and became American citizens when Texas/Florida/Arizona etc. became states - some of their names on are the lists!!
The refusal to accept all Americans as citizens regardless of the color of their skin is still a problem in our country.

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Which Latino?

Just listen to the bedwetting libs like JeffC. They talk of "the Latino vote" as if it consisted of one entity, one thought, one mind, a people incapable of thinking for themselves. It suggest pure group thought, the mainstay of the democrat party that relies on groups of people based on race and union membership to get them elected again and again.

Meanwhile, we know what Obama actually thinks of us. He certainly doesn't like to see people reaching the American dream on their own. He wants them to think government is responsible for every success story in America.

Obama states emphatically, "IF YOU'VE GOT A BUSINESS - YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT. SOMEBODY ELSE MADE THAT HAPPEN"

His pure hatred of individual accomplishment or thought is unprecedented by a U.S. president. He despises private industry and thinks that everything good only comes from government. He can't even comprehend the simple truth that the money to build roads and bridges came as a result of ideas and hard work by the individual- The private sector that he hates so much. It's obvious to thinking individuals that this man truly hates America and all that it stands for.

His ideas for growing the country are the failed policies of the past.

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In Wisconsin since 2000, the Latino population grew by 74% compared to 1% growth for whites.

So how many of them came over like those in the video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT_wBxshXq0

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Excuse me, but we can only hope

that the ten in the back didn't have beans for breakfast. whooo-wee!

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CY! No need for TSPLOST!

Take a cue from the south of the border cheeseheads you share with us above in your video and presto, traffic nightmare solved! Saved $8.5 billion buckaroos in taxes! Is that Ed Drake, Jr. I see getting out of the drivers seat?

Oh wait. I think he is the last one getting out of the back...if you zoom in on the video, he is carrying a sign that says, "Got gas?"

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Well if you thought that was a good video you'll love this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Oidxh69zA&feature=related

Just think, future democrats are literally pouring out of that van!!!!

The current clown in the White House is the best president illegals ever had.

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Cy - your question.

Your question reminds me of the questions asked in WWII about 'Germans'. How many of 'them' are spys and have been responsible for our American boys death? Many in the minority community often wondered why Americans of German or Italian descent were not put in 'camps'. There were German and Italian prisoners of war in 'camps' in the Pasadena area. There is no doubt that too many illegals have entered our country. Having seen Los Angeles change to a Hispanic city - I witnessed many of these types of pursuits. THESE PEOPLE DID NOT GET ON WELFARE - BUT WORKED DAILY in the beginning. When jobs weren't paying as much as the drug cartels - many of these people worked for them. Coyotes would kidnap children and hold them for payment. This lack of a decent immigration system in our country - and using illegals as cheap labor has created an ugliness in America that is almost as ugly as slavery. Illegals worked cheaper than some of those that we 'outsourced jobs' to. . .and we didn't have to pay as much in postage for the products they produced. We're in an ugly place regarding American citizens and citizenship in this country. As to other questions in this discussion. Why didn't the Republicans pass the reform act that Bush wanted when they were in control? Not so much IMHO the color of ones skin - but the color of profit (green). If the economy was better (here as well as global) race relations may have improved. But the have nots are getting restless - and the middle class is taking the brunt of this economy. Men and women of sound ethics and integrity are few and far between - and the words of our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution are beginning to ring hollow. We keep remembering the words of the Republican leader in the Senate (McConnell)immediately following Obama's inauguration. We will see that this President is a one term president. We have heard the reports that the Republicans and some Democarats vowed not to cooperate with this president. They have kept their vow. It is not a bad idea to have different ideologies - that has always existed in this country. But this Congress - and this refusal to cooperate with anyone who does not have the same ideology as you is tearing this country apart. . . .NOT RACISM. There are many small towns in the US like Fayetteville where democracy practiced by American citizens of all hues is working, Those humans in the back of that truck came here for JOBS. . and if they had not been caught they would have found them - as Americans stand in line with resume's in hand.

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Of your 455 word essay ...viewed through your rather unique perspective ;-).... we agree on the following:

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There is no doubt that too many illegals have entered our country.

My expectations for the President and his team is to ensure the sovernity of this nation. The fact there are "coyotes" - both within the Mexican government and out - which prey on those unfortunate souls is not our problem. We have enough things here to work out. Remember, Tamekia will be job hunting soon.

As for passing immigration reform, there are some of us in this nation that believe that enforcement of the existing immigrations laws is what is required not reform. It matters not which party embraces reform. When Bush hinted at it and Congressman Westmoreland sent his pathetic little questionare regarding it they got their feedback and knew not to go back down that road.

BTW, that pickup truck crash in Texas is beginning to look like another bunch of illegals trying to sneak in. I have to ask the question if under the current presidential decree will those that survied face deportation? After all they have not committed any serious crime; right?

But what the heck, we all know it's about votes. The president could have had this reform in his first 2 years while his party controlled both the House and the Senate. For some strange reason he and his party failed to act. Why??????

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The fact there are "coyotes" - both within the Mexican government and out - which prey on those unfortunate souls is not our problem.

A 'coyote is a business man who transports illegals into the US. There are Mexican, American, and Asian businessmen who are 'coyotes'. It is our problem. (US)

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Remember, Tamekia will be job hunting soon.

...and if qualified, she will get it over 'John American'.

Congressman Moreland? Are you kidding? :-)

More illegals have been deported under this administration. Check it out. In the Los Angeles area, many of our schools have been in trouble financially for years because they did not anticipate the exodus. (Asian and Hispanic) The Asians went to another district/ the Hispanics crossed the border.

The current president decree? Giving students of a certain age who have been here for a certain amount of time a two year grace period before deportation? What does that have to do with those that the coyotes bring in today? These kids were raised as Americans. Please clarify. I promise I will read and not subject one to a 400+ word essay.

Yes, it is about votes - and the president has been held to the fire for not keeping that (reform) promise - but his answers to the Latino community and his current actions scored more with Hispanics/Latinos than Romneys'.
70% - 22% as of today. Three more months.

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Jeff and DM, do you really think that Obama came out with his

changes to the immigration policy for altruistic reasons? Why did he wait til now to come out with his proposals? It may have been a smart move on his part and it may win him some votes with the Latino community but it is definitely transparent. All President Obama cares about is being re-elected--pure and simple.

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All President Obama cares about is being re-elected--pure and simple.

This is all any politician ever really cares about.

one of the best ideas I have heard floated was 'single term and your done'. You give all federal elected officials a single term of 6 years and then show them the door. Elected officials tend to waste a good portion of their time in office trying to get re-elected. With single terms, they could use that time to actually do something..

Another thing we need to get rid of is all this vacation time all of these leeches want to take off but that's a whole different thread..

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Single Term

I understand your thinking on this issue. Unfortunately the reality is that the staff of the elected officials would be in charge - and at the bidding of the 'lobbyists' - or those who will pay for power.

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Amen to that. If we had single terms and took away all the

perks from lobbyists then maybe we could have people in office who would take care of the business of the people. Then, again, we may not have anyone who would be willing to hold office!!

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Maybe then

something would get done for the people !!

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Political Ploys' Mytimite

It's election year. Romneys' going to the Latino meeting - Obama's plan for young illegals. Obama won. Humans look for actions that stimulate results - not actions that are seen as purely feel good stunts when previous words have been very anti any immigration reform or correcting any previous 'wrongs'. All Romney cares about is becoming POTUS. Three more months.

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Obama "won" what? Panderer of the Year?

That was simply all there was to his executive order in putting a de facto Dream Act into effect. See, some of the militant Hispanic groups have been sweating him for quite a while about daring to enforce the law and deport illegals and have been very vocal about how dare a President oversee something that outrageous! With a stroke of the pen and a lot of his usual BS, Obama managed to silence them for a while.

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Nuk -

If that's the way you see it. As I said before - the polls speak for themselves. We have three months to go!

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Polls speak for themselves DM?

"WASHINGTON – Despite concerted Democratic attacks on his business record, Republican challenger Mitt Romney scores a significant advantage over President Obama when it comes to managing the economy, reducing the federal budget deficit and creating jobs, a national USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds."
"By more than 2-1, 63%-29%, those surveyed say Romney's background in business, including his tenure at the private equity firm Bain Capital, would cause him to make good decisions, not bad ones, in dealing with the nation's economic problems over the next four years."
Gallup

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-07-23/poll-romney-obama...

Ok DM if you say so....

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. . .and with that said - the polls still have Obama ahead by one percent. No need to crow yet. Three months to go - and don't forget the October surprise!

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What's that, DM?

Another stimulus spending plan, but no approved Federal budget?

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Dm uh ok???

"A CBS/New York Times poll on the presidential race released Monday showed that Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has not only moved ahead of President Barack Obama 46 percent to 43 percent among all registered voters, but also that Romney has moved ahead of Obama among female registered voters."

Ok Obama is ahead by a point if you say so....

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Don't forget - This doesn't take into account that America is a racist nation and some that answered that they will vote for Obama will actually vote for the white guy.

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Uh, DM, it would seem that Mr. Obama is very interested in keep-

ing his current post. How many fund raisers was it they quoted him as attending while our economy goes down the toilet? Now, what was the name of that committee of his that did not ever meet once? And just what was the purpose of that committee?

If Mr. Obama was so interested in the future of young illegals why did he wait so long to make his move? Could it be that it would carry more impact nearer to the election? When did President Obama start considering capitalism a bad word? That is supposed to be what our country is all about. When did making money become a sin? I guess I missed that memo.

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Uh Mytimite

Obama is a capitalist - making money. . the hard way - he works for it! And so does Romney. We have fallen for the distraction, WHAT IS ROMNEY'S PLAN FOR TURNING THIS ECONOMY AROUND? WHAT IS OBAMA'S PLAN FOR TURNING THIS ECONOMY AROUND? That is what we should be looking for if we really don't want to be bogged down in a discussion about socialism, racism, communism, etc., etc., etc.. Jobs and a healthy economy is what counts in November. Ideology is the issue - and lack of cooperation in finding solutions to well-defined problems.

OF COURSE HE WANT TO KEEP HIS JOB - JUST AS BADLY AS ROMNEY WANTS IT. RIGHT?

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How many jobs has he has and how many payrolls has he made?

Just wondering..

btw-Obama is a crony Capitalist there is a difference.

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Payrolls, businesses, etc.? How many did Bush have? Did you check on that before you/or others voted for him? Romney is a businessman - a venture capitalist - and he is good at what he does. (Bush wasn't) Believe me, we'll hear a lot from the people that Romney legally fired and caused their businesses to close. By the way - Romney is overseas now trying to get some foreign policy credit. A lot of people are nervous about his ability to be 'Commander in Chief' of our military and intelligence agencies. There is a lot more to running a country that is in this mess than 'business ability'. Those who counseled Bush were some of the most highly regarded 'businessmen' in our country. Will they also be at Romney's side? These are some of the questions that many, regardless of ideology are asking. It will be close - and cherry picking polls to contradict the current Latino, Women, and other Minority vote is grasping at straws. Romney has the south, especially the rural areas. The rest of the country is still deciding. Three months to go!

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Doesn't matter DM

Why argue? The Rs nominated a Gordon Gekko and now they are shocked that someone would point out that destroying companies and throwing people out of work is an issue. How dare the Dems question an aspect of business? After all, that's part of the capitalist system isn't it? And yes it is indeed. But just because you are willing to destroy people's lives for your personal gain doesn't mean that it's admirable even if it is legal.

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Why argue.

Sorry if I got into the 'argument' stage. Just want to have a different point of view expressed in this forum - which you do quite well!!!!

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DM, if you are referring to me. I definitely am not arguing.

As I have said before, I do not argue with anyone. I state my point of view and some agree, some don't and it is all good with me. I have lived too long and learned a very long time ago that it is wise to save your energy for those things that are really important. I also am not trying to change anyone's mind. Hopefully, we are all fairly intelligent and capable of making our own decisions. I feel if someone has been given as much information as possible and still is not capable of making a good decision, nothing I say will make a differnce. Then, too, who is to say that what I may have to offer is their right decision. I must admit that I do enjoy playing with some on this site from time to time when they are filled with self-imnportance and pomposity. These are the people who think they have all the answers and the rest of us are too ignorant or stupid to be swayed by their argument. But that is only for fun, and it can be fun.

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Nope - wasn't referring to you.

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JeffC, how many...

...lives did Stalin's 5-year plan destroy? You think government is going to treat 'the people' any better? Whadda ya' know - a different system that throws people out of work (of course many didn't have to worry about how to make a living afterwards). Breaking up unprofitable companies is what unprofitable companies can sometimes expect; capital investment might not be warranted. What did you do when YOUR company bled cash and was unprofitable and was on the verge of collapse? Did you cut wages? Did you reduce stock? Did you just keep on spending at the same rate until it went under?

Labor is labor, and they'll ALWAYS be subject to what management deems best. If they don't like it, they can form their own company, or unionize (and maybe drive the company into the ground, like the UAW does/did); maybe profit-sharing would mitigate against union excesses.

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...and how is it going Jeff?

Looks like no one cares.. Obama favorables have dropped since the attack.. More people feel Romney would make better decisions BECAUSE of his Bain experience and Obama overspent and went into the Red to accomplish....?

Like I told you Jeff... The American people are not as stupid as you and those like you think they are..

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Here we go again...B...B...B...Bush

Is that all you have DM? What about Bush?

We are not talking about Bush now are we.. Who exactly is running for office Bush or Obama and Romney?

You said...

Davids mom wrote:

Obama is a capitalist - making money. . the hard way - he works for it!

Now what in anything has Obama done past or present that even remotely looks like he is a Capitalist?

Like I said what businesses has he run, what payrolls what are his credentials of capitalism DM?

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Capitalist country

He's running a capitalist country that the previous administration ran into the ground, The recovery is slow - but in today's world, we are also part of a struggling global economy - while our billionaires are laughing all the way to the bank! I know SL. They (the billionaires) are our job providers. They are our saviors. Well, they have saved their savings abroad so that they don't have to pay high taxes - and WHERE ARE THE JOBS THEY ARE PROVIDING? (Overseas) What are your or my credentials? What business have you run and maintained in this crisis? Rhetorical questions - it's no ones business but yours/mine and the IRS. Have a good day - and stay cool.

B B B Bush? The Republicans would just like him to fade away - but history is history - and you can't change that. Geez - I think history will be kinder to him and his administration - at least kinder than his political party, who would like Americans to forget him.

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Running a Capitalist Country...

and how has he done in 4 years?

Well let's see:
1. Unemployment up if measured as it was in 2008 up to 11% now.

2. $5 Trillion more in debt. The most debt EVER incurred by a President in the first 4 years as President without a National disaster of World War.

3. Record number of Americans on Food Stamps.

4. Record number of Americans on Disability.

5. Record number of Americans out of work or under employed since the Depression.

...and this is just the start of the list.

So DM if we use HIS record of "running" a Capitalist Country then the CEO should be fired because his tenure has failed.

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Good use of 'talking points'. We've all seen them. . .but thanks for sharing them again. Everyone here has also seen the 'liberal' answers to these points. Have a good day. Three more months!

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Facts can be talking points too DM

Unlike pretending that truth doesn't matter just as long as it is spun well.

Those were facts DM of Obama's record and he can't run from it.. I just love the new Commercial for Obama pretending that he has never been President. Not asking to be Re-elected but asking to be elected to fix the economy.

Unless my name ends in Vanwinkle I think that was what he said the first time.

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GOOD NIGHT MR. VANWINKLE!

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Well not all was politics Mytmite

After all, he did introduce the DREAM Act in 2010 but it was filibustered in the Senate by the Republicans so there is some history there, but I would not disagree at all that his recent moves have been political and he has been helped immensely.

Does anybody really think that these kids were going to be deported?

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So, are you saying it was not politics when he introduced the

Dream Act, and do you really think he thought it would pass--or was it just another political move? And no, they probably will never be deported because everyone is too busy passing the buck to do anything to change the whole illegal situation. Easier to talk the talk and just wait until it all dies down. As I said before, the only reason Obama did it now was it is close to election time and people (the latinos) will remember. And it is amazing how many people can be fooled. Just as many will be fooled by Deal coming out and making a grandstand play about removing the 400 toll. Let's wait and see where that goes in 2013--but by then T-SPLOST will have passed or failed and he will be able to say that he tried but the DOT or whoever blocked it.

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Sorry about all the dupes--either the site or the computer went

crazy. Seems like that has been happening pretty often but all the dupes on the site recently. Again, sorry.

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I thought so Mytmite

I think in 2010 Obama thought it would pass. Now he knows it will not.

The politics is rampant on the Republican side too. Obama has greatly increased deportations, almost doubling the number of illegal aliens deported. Had a Republican President done the same, this site would be swooning with applause and admiration. But since Obama did it, it can't be credited.

This latest move of prioritizing deportations and announcing that the kids in schools were no longer a target was definitely a political ploy. It was great politics for Obama on several levels as well as partially fulfilling a campaign promise.

When a final deal is done, it is not going to be that 12 million people are deported. Some will go and many will stay. It seems to me that that is just a fact and the xenophobes in the Republican Party are simply not going to get their wish. I suspect you would agree with that assessment without necessarily liking it. When I posted the increase in Latinos in Wisconsin, it drew funny videos of illegals for people to ridicule. Of course, I was referring to legal Latinos who can legally vote but the immediate attitude of responding to a blog about Latinos by posting derogatory videos is exactly the attitude I was trying to point out. It's just ingrained. It underlines how almost impossible it will be for Mitt to show any moderation.

Meanwhile, the Dems are gathering another vast constituency. An extremely hard-working, family loving, religious, anti-abortion constituency that the Rs seem to be allowing a vocal minority to be actively driving away.

Yes, politics through and through.

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Hey Jeff you know most Latinos are Catholics right?

So how does an anti-catholic, pro-abortion, big Centralized Government, war on the family candidate get their vote exactly?

http://blogs.democratandchronicle.com/editorial/?p=20478
"The Obama Administration has offended Catholics across the political spectrum with its Health and Human Services mandate that forces every employer to provide employees with health coverage that not only covers birth control and sterilization, but makes them free."

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Gee, Jeff, you paint such a glowing picture of our illegals that

I feel the urge to go right out and adopt a few. I have known many, many Latinos and believe me unless you are referring to Abuelo and Abuela, their views are pretty much those of most Americans. While the majority are still Catholic, many do practice birth control--they may not tell their Padre in the confessional on Saturdays but believe me many do use birth control. And when necessity merits it they do sometimes resort to abortion, again, not always confessing that they have. As far as being religious, many are Catholic just like many Gringos are Catholic, Methodist or what have you but are not strict adherents. As for family loving--just about the same as you or me, though again with the older ones Abuelo and Abuela may be living with the younger family members and are ruling the roost, but that too, not as much as before. As many proponents of granting them citizenship point out, to a great extent for what it is worth, they have assimilated.

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Illegals

We need to show more sympathy for these people.

They travel miles in the heat.

They risk their lives crossing a border.

They don't get paid enough wages.

They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do.

They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language.

They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day ~ every day.

I'm not talking about illegal Mexicans- I'm talking about our troops!

Doesn't it seem strange that so many are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegal criminals, but don't support our troops?

Wouldn't it be great if we took the $360,000,000,000 (that's billion)
we spend on illegals every year, and spend at least some of it on our troops!!!

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DM: who is saying that?

I'd need to see some quotes from GOPers saying anything about "un-American citizens." I see plenty of quotes all the time about illegal aliens who are not citizens whatsoever and are simply ILLEGALS, but not anything from anyone about "foreign citizens" or any BS called "un-American citizens," a term I have never heard used in my life by anybody.

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He has already apologized to the president. Just a few of the articles regarding this incident. Sorry you missed this. It was covered by both liberal and conservative media. I did include Hannity. There are many, many more. The terminology that you seem to miss is UN-AMERICAN CITIZEN. Selective listening can be misleading. It is important to hear all of the crap that is being thrown at citizens regarding ALL CANDIDATES (local and national) in this election year.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/18/12809967-what-passes-as...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/john-sununu

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57474053-503544/sununu-calls-obam...

http://www.newshounds.us/williams_and_hannity_give_sununu_a_pass_on_his_...

To save you time, I have also seen the articles that are very, very supportive of Sununu. This is what America is all about!. The reality in this type of discussion is the not so subtle message that LEGAL CITIZENS who do not appear European-American are suspect of being illegal or UN-AMERICAN.

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DM: I still am missing it

Where does Sununu say that Obama is a "foreign citizen" or "Un-American citizen" or even "not an American?" What I heard him say is that he thinks Obama doesn't understand America(hardly an extreme opinion by any means) and needs to "act like an American. "

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You missed it Nuk

but he apologized for it.

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Didn't miss the apology

I also heard what he said when he said it. I still don't know where you came up with your line about "GOPers" running around saying anything about "foreign citizens" or unAmerican citizens."

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NUK -

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT I 'HEAR'. The poll has spoken. It matters how the voters perceive.

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So what you are saying is...

the TRUTH doesn't matter just so long as the "story" is well received...?

A better example of an out of control Government and their sycophants one could ever give.

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Estoy diciendo que estoy diciendo . La verdad siempre es importante. You really don't have to translate what I write here. Citizens in Fayette County read English.

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Truth is often in the eye of the beholder.

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Ok I am confused
Davids mom wrote:

Estoy diciendo que estoy diciendo . La verdad siempre es importante. You really don't have to translate what I write here. Citizens in Fayette County read English.

BUT you said this....

Davids mom wrote:

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT I 'HEAR'. The poll has spoken. It matters how the voters perceive.

Now unless you and I don't even live on the same Planet much less the same County you said.... it is all about perception... truth need not apply. Roughly translated of course....

Of course you are right DM truth does not matter as much as telling a good story.

This translates to... Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Dm you do tell some good ones.

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Truth matters. The perception of truth and how one acts is what is important to mankind.

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You couldn't swing a dead cat DM

Without hitting someone labeling Obama un-American. It has been a tenet of the Republicans since Obama announced. I Googled "quotes saying Obama un-American" and got 165 million hits.

He's from Kenya and he's a Muslim. When those smears didn't work the message has gradually morphed into code trying to highlight his "otherness". Now he's a "European style socialist". Horror of horrors if he's not and HawaiianIndonesianMuslimKenyan then he must be French!

Sununu knew exactly what he was saying, he knew the constituency to whom he was saying it to, he knew that they would get his message, and he knows his fake apology means the same thing to them as it does to me, which is nothing.

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Hate the dead cat thing, JeffC, but you do have a point

I think all the un-American stuff, and especially the birther crap is totally off base. I believe Obama is an American, I believe he is President and I believe he is a Christian. I think he is a good family man, an excellent golfer and has a winning personality - on and off the teleprompter.

I believe the same things about both Bushes, Carter and Clinton. Nevertheless, Obama has not been doing a good job of running the country and I think it is time to let him go. Romney has all the nice guy traits as well, but he will repeal Obamacare, allow off shore drilling and in-country fracking, abolish useless government departments and boost job creation by cutting taxes on the small business owners who actually create jobs. What's not to like?

In fact, the last 5 liberal Presidents we have had were:
FDR - 3.2 terms, extended the Depression with do-gooder programs
Kennedy - does not count as he was actually a Conservative
LBJ - showed how well micro managing a war from the White House worked
Carter - 1 term. Mismanaged and over reached
Clinton - first term liberal, second term Conservative
Obama - and now someone thinks we want 4 more years of this?

Why don't you consider voting for him? Or any of them. They have a write-in thingy, you know.

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Dead cats

Dead cats. Ha! I threw that in intentionally. I've got a Russian Blue that just coincidentally turned out to be one of the 5 best cats in the world. He isn't crazy about the expression either.

I'll tell you what, give me the next two upcoming Supreme Court nominations and you have can Mitt as President.

I'm always somewhat taken aback when I realize again that Carter is now so adamantly perceived as the liberal. At the time, he campaigned and was perceived as a moderate politically, a successful small business owner, Naval officer and graduate of the Naval Academy. He ran against Humphrey and Shriver and Udall. Ted Kennedy danced around the stage insultingly at the convention because we had taken the Party from him. He nominated Scoop Jackson against McGovern at the '72 convention.

Oh well, the wheels of history grind exceedingly fine.

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Obama's thought process is very un-American

He preaches government dependency and wealth redistribution instead and derides intelligence and hard work.

We find out who the real Obama is when he is off-teleprompter. "Spread the wealth", "bitter clingers to guns and religion", "you didn't make that happen, someone else did." These are not American values. These are the mumblings of a narcisstic fascist. (I googled 'narcisstic fascist' and Obama's name popped up 235,000 times)

The list goes on and on. He wants more and more people to become dependent on government.

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derides intelligence and hard work.

Aren't you confusing that ID with Santorum? Obama, the POTUS, his mother, and grandparents worked hard to use education and hard work to be independent of government. Do you call serving in the military as being dependent on government? (The President's grandfather) Hmmmm.

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Davids mom wrote:
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derides intelligence and hard work.

Aren't you confusing that ID with Santorum? Obama, the POTUS, his mother, and grandparents worked hard to use education and hard work to be independent of government. Do you call serving in the military as being dependent on government? (The President's grandfather) Hmmmm.

Obama's father met with and supported various communist groups and associated with members of the CPUSA. His writings reveal exacting details concurrent with the Communist manifesto. His Mother attended the "Little Red Church" in Washington. The Pastor and it's congregation actively supported Communist China and routinely preached against the evils of Capitalism.
His Grandfather looking for a "Black Father figure" for Obama chose not some Little League coach or pastor.. No he chose Frank Davis a member of the CPUSA who himself had ties to groups that wanted to overthrow the US Government.

Obama: 'Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself."

Definition of COMMUNISM

1
a : a theory advocating elimination of private property
b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2
capitalized
a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production

Where in any of this does it state that their ideology is to be independent of Government?

A look at Obama's past...
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-652604

...and a look at his mentor.
http://thecitizen.com/node/11921

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You're not confused?

You've got to go to 'communism ' when you run out of provided talking points. The discussion you share is from an unvetted article from CNN. Birther, communist, Muslim, UN--American - OK. We've heard it before. The polls still have the race close.

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Yes let's not discuss the facts...

Tell me DM was his parents/grandparent Capitalist loving, free market enthusiast or where they 1960 Radicals who had close ties to Communist leaders?

Facts DM not Spin.

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Good points. How about Hoover, Nixon, Bush - and some others back in history? Reagan was a shining light - and the Republicans sure could use another man like him at this time - however, I don't think he would be approved by the Tea Party.

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...and JFK wouldn't be approved either Dm

by the Progressives.. so.........

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JFK

IMO, he would be supported by minorities, women, and many independents. Right? Certainly not by the Tea Party.

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Is the Teaparty racist DM?

I am still waiting on that secret cabal you know about.

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From Free Market healthcare to Tea Party racist? Take the time to research instead of searching for an argument. Bye.