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Over a million hits on YouTube! Makes you think. Is it factual? Is it a political ploy? Does it resound with today's youth? I understand it is from a current TV program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16K6m3Ua2nw&feature=related

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Too much reality?

Beginning scene of the new HBO series The Newsroom explaining why America's Not the Greatest Country Any Longer... But It Can Be

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DM - Mr. Obama's words

I agree with Mr. Obama for a change.

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America 's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.

It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills.

It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally.

Leadership means that, "the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”

An excerpt from a speech by Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

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He attempted to improve what others had caused - but had no cooperation from Republicans and many Democrats. Our Congress and our executive branch are at logger heads - and we the people suffer. To blame Bush, Obama, etc. for all of our troubles is nonsense - although I agree, the buck stops at their desk. I just worry about who will be Romney's advisors. Rove didn't do a bang up job for Bush! The debates will be very important.

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Pure Liberal Fantasy

It's nothing but pure liberal fantasy. They pander to their under-achieving base and provide cover for them while making them dependent on government.

Here are the words of a true leader:

I am an unapologetic believer in the greatness of this country. I am not ashamed of American power. I take pride that throughout history our power has brought justice where there was tyranny, peace where there was conflict, and hope where there was affliction and despair. I do not view America as just one more point on the strategic map, one more power to be balanced. I believe our country is the greatest force for good the world has ever known, and that our influence is needed as much now as ever. And I am guided by one overwhelming conviction and passion: This century must be an American Century. Mitt Romney - July 24, 2012.

Personal Information:

His full Name is: Willard Mitt Romney

He was Born: March 12, 1947 and is 65 years old.

His Father: George W. Romney, former Governor of the State of Michigan

He was raised in Bloomfield Hills , Michigan

He is Married to Ann Romney since 1969; they have five children.

Education:
B.A. from Brigham Young University,

J.D. and M.B.A. from Harvard University

Religion:
Mormon - The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints

Working Background:

After high school, he spent 30 months in France as a Mormon missionary.

After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School simultaneously, he passed the Michigan bar exam, but never worked as an attorney.

In 1984, he co-founded Bain Capital a private equity investment firm, one of the largest such firms in the United States .

In 1994, he ran for Senator of Massachusetts and lost to Ted Kennedy.

He was President and CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympic Games.

In 2002, he was elected Governor of the State of Massachusetts where he eliminated a 1.5 billion deficit.

Some Interesting Facts about Romney:

Bain Capital, starting with one small office supply store in Massachusetts, turned it into Staples; now over 2,000 stores employing 90,000 people.

Bain Capital also worked to perform the same kinds of business miracles again and again, with companies like Domino's, Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King, Warner Music Group, Dollarama, Home Depot Supply, and many others.

He was an unpaid volunteer campaign worker for his dad's gubernatorial campaign 1 year.

He was an unpaid intern in his dad's governor's office for eight years.

He was an unpaid bishop and state president of his church for ten years.

He was an unpaid President of the Salt Lake Olympic Committee for three years.

He took no salary and was the unpaid Governor of Massachusetts for four years.

He gave his entire inheritance from his father to charity.

Mitt Romney is one of the wealthiest self-made men in our country but has given more back to its citizens in terms of money, service and time than most men.

And in 2011 Mitt Romney gave over $4 million to charity, almost 19% of his income.... Just for comparison purposes, Obama gave 1% and Joe Biden gave $300 or .0013%.

Mitt Romney is Trustworthy:

He will show us his birth certificate

He will show us his high school and college transcripts.

He will show us his social security card.

He will show us his law degree.

He will show us his draft notice.

He will show us his medical records.

He will show us his income tax records.

He will show us he has nothing to hide.

Mitt Romney's background, experience and trustworthiness show him to be a great leader and an excellent citizen for President of the United States.

You may think that Romney may not be the best representative the Republicans could have selected. At least I know what religion he is, and that he won't desecrate the flag, bow down to foreign powers, or practice fiscal irresponsibility. I know he has the ability to turn around this financial debacle that the current regime has gotten us into. We won't like all the things necessary to recover from this debt, but someone with Romney's background can do it. But, on the minus side, He never was a "Community Organizer", never took drugs or smoked pot, never got drunk, did not associate with communists or terrorists, nor did he attend a church whose pastor called for God to damn the US.

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Romney - a few questions Joe Kawfi

Will we know how much taxes he's paid for the past 10 years?

Can he garner respect from our allies?

Can he bring the country together? (Can he bring the Repunlican Party together?)

Can we survive his gaffes?

Bowing? Better than hugging inappropriately the German leader or walking hand in hand with the Saudi leader.

Three months!

Can the 'born agains' support a Mormon?

Inquiring minds want to know! We'll know in November - (if we survive the mudslinging )

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DM, you do know Romney is just playing the tax return fanatics

This is going to be his September surprise, After months of Reid and others "demanding" that he release his tax returns he either will release them or have them leaked - possibly making it look like Obama's Treasury Dept. got them from IRS. And you know what they will show? Not much. Just that he made a lot of money, paid a lot of taxes and gave more to charity than Obama and Biden combined. The longer he waits, the more foolish those screamers like Reid appear.

Or maybe Geitner and Obama have already ordered up a copy fro IRS and they show Romney used all his legal tax deductions and paid little or no taxes one or more years. This bolsters Prezbo's tax the rich class warfare nonsense. Of course it also highlights how convoluted our tax laws are. And, gee almost forgot - it is illegal for Geitner and Obama to do that. That's why Reid "knows" Romney paid little or no taxes.

So which one of my scenarios do you like best? Dems get played for the fools they are or Obama proves his point, but little Timmy goes to jail.

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Is your source for your scenarios the same that had an Obama advisor on the 'outs' in the White House? Thanks for sharing your credible 'insider' information. There are actually 'talking points ' on Conservative web sites to 'answer' my questions(all of them) - but I wouldn't have used them either. LOL!!

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DM the crazy thing

about Romney and his taxes is that those who support him don't care, and those who don't support him won't be changed. RWM's scenarios are silly. Romney clearly appears to be hiding his returns. If he was to provide them and they showed he paid 20 to 30 % taxes, it'd take a HUGE bite out of Obama's campaign. The mere fact that he refuses means that will not be the case. Problem for Romney is that the swing voters are wondering why he won't simply put this distraction to rest? It distracts from Romney's whole campaign about the economy and jobs.
So what the country will find, if he ever does it, is that he never broke the law, used every loophole possible, and paid a remarkably low marginal tax bill. Since his whole economic "plan" seems to be give everyone a 20% tax cut, but take away all deductions, and eliminate capital gains and dividends, releasing his tax returns will show that his tax burden will reduce to near or at zero. It'll look like he has a HUGE conflict of interest in reducing his own taxes to zero. By the way, according to the non-partisan (or so Chris Wallace on Fox Sunday morning says) TPC, Romney's plan will result in an average increase in income (decrease in taxes) for the upper 2% of $220,000 per year and an average DECREASE in income (increase in taxes) for the Middle Class of $2000 per year.
Personally I think he should embrace his wealth instead of running from it. He should release his returns and at every question, use them as an example of how absurd the tax code is. His problem is he seems to want to be "one of the guys," and he simply isn't. Ted Kennedy was smart enough to never run from his wealth and upbringing, but to fight for the "common man." That is how he was constantly re-elected. Romney doesn't have the brainpower to do that.
His other problem is he never held an opinion on an issue that he didn't change, over, and over, and over. He has NO specifics for ANYTHING other than "cut taxes on the upper 2 %." Voters know and they will respond in kind.

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It looks like you and I are not the only ones paying attention. (Some say Americans are ignoring the ads). Romney support is going down in some polls. Political ads should be based on TRUTH! The debates will be interesting. Welcome to silly season! Can't wait to see the movie The Campaign! A comedy of course! Sad commentary on American politics. Maybe this movie is the 'liberals' answer to Political Animals , now on TV. I think most 'viewers' are watching vampire films!
Excellent point about embracing who you are. Today we'll get a 'clarification' of The Romney Plan.
Wouldn't it be great to take the best of both plans and get us out of this mess? Oh well.

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The crazy thing about those that support him...

is that they don't care he has a Radical past and hung around with Communist and Terrorist, lied about his "girlfriends", people and experiences in his book and made dozens of promises he has not kept..
Oh you thought I was talking about Romney...uh..no... Obama.

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Lied about girlfriends?

Obviously - picking at straws. I know you don't read Vanity Fair - but he had a girlfriend who wrote an article - nothing there to find unusual. . Gosh - there are enough valid issues - that no one should be dealing in the ugly side of politics this year! (But keep trying!) What do you think of Romney's 5 Point Plan?

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Nah DM he just created a composite girlfriend

we all do that..... don't we?

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I do believe DM, that SL is referring to Obama himself saying

the girlfriend he portrayed was actually a composite of the girls he dated not one girl as his writing seemed to indicate. I am a subscriber to Vanity Fair and read the article where an old girlfriend was quoted in an article about Obama. Really was an interesting article and showed a side of him that you don't often see or hear about, unless you read some of the many books that have come out about him--not the books he himself has written.

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Romney Hood

Romney doesn’t want to talk about the details of his business experience because Bain Capital was also a bunch of “bust out” artist. First they buy up a controlling interest in a company, second they maximize the debt, and then they suck the money out with fees and bonuses. When the companies finally collapse under the weight of that debt, Romney’s money was already safely hid away in foreign banks and everyone else is SOL. They don’t put that in their product literature but they sure did it.

Romney doesn’t want to talk about the details as Governor of Massachusetts’ because he passed Romney Care and it drives the Republican base crazy, (.. eh, crazier.)

Romney doesn’t want to talk about his income tax because he is the poster child of a typical tax avoider gaming the system.

http://www.thecitizen.com/node/9886

IMHO, if Mitt Romney is elected President, he will do for the USA what Frank Lorenzo did to Eastern Airlines.

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Staples seems to be doing pretty good.

just saying

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It’s just the right height?

It’s just the right height?

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The one question for Mitt

regarding Bain Captital, regardless of the timeline of his involvement:
"Do you agree with the business practices of Bain Capital?"

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Of course Romney agrees with

Of course Romney agrees with Bain’s business practices. Corporations are people!

Hey Mitt, show us Bain Capitals birth certificate!

Hey Mitt, tell us who your billionaire bundlers are!

Hey Mitt, show us your tax returns!

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What some don't realize - is that Romney is good at what he is - a venture capalist.

Venture capital (VC) is financial capital provided to early-stage, high-potential, high risk, growth startup companies. The venture capital fund makes money by owning equity in the companies it invests in, which usually have a novel technology or business model in high technology industries, such as biotechnology, IT, software, etc. The typical venture capital investment occurs after the seed funding round as growth funding round (also referred to as Series A round) in the interest of generating a return through an eventual realization event, such as an IPO or trade sale of the company. Venture capital is a subset of private equity. Therefore, all venture capital is private equity, but not all private equity is venture capital

He should be touting his experience as Governor and providing his citizens with health care. (oops)

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If Obama is reelected
Gort wrote:

IMHO, if Mitt Romney is elected President, he will do for the USA what Frank Lorenzo did to Eastern Airlines.

he will do to the US what Chavez did to Venezuela.

So let's see put a bad business model out of it's misery or takeover then kill every major industry in the Country, slap down free speech then soak the Rich dry keeping it all running.

Heck you don't even have to wait for the 2nd term he has done a pretty good job already.

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SLindsey, how’s the local

SLindsey, how’s the local Teaparty advocate doing these days? You must be at least a regional vice president by now. By the way which one are you in this picture?

http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/07-31-2012/%E2%80%98princess-tea-part...

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Gort!

Where you been pal?

Let's see, let me guess, you don't know much about private equity? Just what you read in those lefty newspapers?

As far as Romney is concerned you should be quite happy since he is pretty much in line with your thinking. Mr. Obama got his start as a community organizer and Mr. Romney, well he got is start in, let's see? Business? But both candidates have shown themselves to be "progressive". So, what are you worried about?

We end up in the same place with either candidate, you need to focus on Congress, now that's where the real action is happening. The Dems have an excellent chance at shooting themselves in both feet, if they don't outlaw guns in the meantime.

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Romney's 5 Point Plan
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But both candidates have shown themselves to be "progressive". So, what are you worried about?

Is this why no one will discuss Romney's 'published' plan?

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PTC_0, I hear that ‘cock and bull’ story about Romney

being a ‘progressive’ from conservatives all the time. I don’t buy it for a minute. That nonsense is just a right wing political marketing line designed to appeal to “low information voters.” Sorry buddy but, “… I’m not the droid you’re looking for!” 8 - )

This year I already saw how Romney, and his big donors, (of pinstriped banksters, international gambling tycoons, and Texas oil boilers,) bought the Republican primary.

Romney, is a businessman first, (a vulture capitalist,) and has already made a deal with his donors to give away to special interest anything they couldn’t get their greedy hands on during the Bush administration. In exchange they will attempt to buy the general election for him.

BTW, I’ve been busy lately, not much time for the funny papers, but thanks for asking. Most recently I’ve been looking for my wife’s little dog, he disappeared from a locked kennel in our back yard, his dog collar has his name on it, (Houdini,) you haven’t seen him have you?

8 - )

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Gort - Like I said

Romney is no different than Obama, just different big donors with their hands out. If you haven't noticed Mr. Obama has just a few billionaires supporting him too. Wouldn't want those "Green" jobs going to waste. You know GE brings good things to life.

Hmmm Houdini, I think you may have a hard time finding him. ;-)

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Robert's "source" is just as credible..

as Harry Reid's DM.

Wait until Obama's Indonesian records are released showing him to be a Citizen of Indonesia when he was in School there.. this is why he will not release his College Transcripts.. he classed himself as a "Foreign Exchange" student to get the benefits and get into better College's that wanted "diversity". Ahh... October is going to be a "Surprising" Month.

Oh and don't throw out the Birther BS either.. I fully believe he was born in Hawaii, but when he went to school in Indonesia he had to give up his Citizenship to do so... They did not allow non-citizens to go to school at that time.. they were at War so.... Unless he filed for US citizenship status after College which btw- no records can be found then by LAW he is not a Citizen and thus ineligible for holding office. Yep October is going to be interesting...

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Stay current. This issue was discussed in the 2008 campaign - and Obama won! Next!

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Obama's Citizenship

Here we go again: The wackos are at it again.

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One of the earliest myths in the birther belief system is the claim that Barack Obama is really "Barry Soetoro", who lost his US citizenship upon adoption by Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian national.
This dates back to Philip Berg's original lawsuit, when he claimed that both Barack Obama AND his mother lost their US citizenship upon her marriage, saying in his original complaint (¶ 31) that:
"Obama's mother expatriated her U.S. Citizenship when she married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia and relocated her and her son (Obama) to Indonesia."
Berg cites the Nationality Act of 1940, Section 317(b). But let's see what that says:
"From and after the effective date of this Act, a woman, who was a citizen of the United States at birth, and who has or is believed to have lost her United States citizenship solely by reason of her marriage prior to September 22, 1922, to an alien, and whose marital status with such alien has or shall have terminated, if no other nationality was acquired by affirmative act other than such marriage,shall, from and after the taking of the oath of allegiance prescribed by subsection (b) of section 335 of this Act, be deemed to be a citizen of the United States to the same extent as though her marriage to said alien had taken place on or after September 22, 1922."
This section only applies towards marriages before 22 September 1922. Yet Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro in 1967. This section simply doesn't apply.
But what about the claim that Barack Obama lost his US citizenship. Again we can look to the very same act that Berg cited, the Nationality Act of 1940, Section 401:
"A person who is a national of the United States, whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by: (a) Obtaining naturalization in a foreign state, either upon his own application or through the naturalization of a parent having legal custody of such person: Provided, however, That nationality not be lost as the result of the naturalization of a parent unless and until the child shall have attained the age of twenty-three years without acquiring permanent residence in the United States:....."
This section shows that even had Stanley Ann Dunham renounced her US citizenship, it wouldn't have effected Barack Obama's citizenship.
But could Stanley Ann Dunham or Lolo Soetoro renounced Barack Obama's citizenship? Again, the Nationality Act of 1940, Section 407:
"A person having American nationality, who is a minor and is residing in a foreign state with or under the legal custody of a parent who loses American nationality under section 404 of this Act, shall at the same time lose his American nationality if such minor has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state: Provided, That, in such case, American nationality shall not be lost as the result of loss of American nationality by the parent unless and until the child attains the age of twenty-three years without having acquired permanent residence in the United States."
So again we see that nothing that Stanley Ann Dunham or Lolo Soetoro could have done would have affected Barack Obama's US citizenship.

This was all discussed and cleared in 2008.

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DM, you must admit...

...there has been SO much hemming and hawing about releasing ANY of his records from his early age(s) that it has encouraged the conspiracy theorists fodder to question his origins, birth locations, etc...et al. If he was open and forthcoming on most/any of these questions (inc. his birth certificate - why not just deliver it right off the bat?!?) these concerns could all be put to rest. Why haven't they (handlers, administration, etc...) brought up these points? Or, have they and I just haven't seen it? What is this 2008 discussion you reference?

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See Obama's Citizenship.

This was discussed ad-infinitem on other blogs. You know what KC. If you want to know where I was born - find out where my mother was on my birthday. Obama discussed his sojourn in Indonesia in his books. He was raised by his grandparents in Hawaii. Why the birth certificate issue ? I guess for the same reason the 'tax' issue. It just seemed crazy to me - when all you had to do was validate where the mother was on Obama's birthday. Oh well. I know, I know - but where was Bush when they couldn't account for his 'records' during a certain period of his military service. COME ON PEOPLE! What do these two candidates plan for our future? Why aren't we discussing the issues? I thought that all the Republicans had to do was discuss Obama's record for the past four years. Why the continued citizenship issues?

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DM, I guess for the same reason Romney's other tax files

keep coming up by Dems. Keeps the mind off of the important issues.

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Agreed,

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Dm Obama can clear up the confusion by releasing those

records, I call on him to do so now and clear all this up.. but he won't so there's your proof.

Sound familiar DM?

You see DM, Reid can lay out a "rumor" completely unsubstantiated mind you and you and others like you quickly spread that rumor and start carrying the water for the party.

But yet when someone else lays a similar claim out there and boy are you quick to call them/me wackos... You see DM I set you up... Thanks for playing.

Dm the street always runs both ways you only see one lane and that's has always been your problem.

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Rumor, what you say, what I say - doesn't make a hill of difference. What the goal should be is to get everyone to do their own research and find out the TRUTH! Don't you feel that these 'distractions' from the 2008 campaign are being used to get people talking about these nonsensical issues instead of dealing with a failure of our leaders - ALL OF THEM - to work together to solve our problems? Gosh - with the money raised by the PACS for both candidates - we could have seriously reduced the deficit!!! (and not shut down any educational programs) Lindsey - our kids are 37 in achievement in math globally !! If we put the same effort in educating our future mathematicians and scientists (as we did after Sputnik) into the preparation of our Olympians - we would be #1 globally in math!! Don't get me wrong - I am thrilled at the accomplishments of our Olympians. If you feel better for 'playing' me and that is your goal - Congratulations! My goal is to get shreds of truth on this blog - and encourage anyone to do their own research about any issue. I participate on other sites - and after a while, it became obvious that too many people in this country are relying on 'talking points' on the website that represents their ideology rather then looking up the TRUTH about the issues being discussed. It used to be that one could depend on certain journalists to communicate truth based on research - but that day seems to have passed. I only see one way? Hmmm - you seem to have blurred vision. . . . I feel I do see both sides of the street - and I feel there is no reason for our leaders to not work together on issues where they are not that far apart! I do see the other side of the street - and that is what is so disconcerting - because I believe you also see the other side of the street (issue) but are so bound by your partisan point of view - that you refuse to see the TRUTH in any issue. I am not a 'water boy' - are you?

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Dm- its hard to do the research
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What the goal should be is to get everyone to do their own research and find out the TRUTH!

When Obummer has spent millions of dollars burying the documents people would want to look at to get a sense of who he is. College transcripts, papers he has written, entrance applications to various colleges, travel documents..........all of it intentionally hidden by the prez. I think you're right, we should all do that research. but what do we do when the research is actively being blocked from the top down? And most of the media is complicit in this. How would CNN and MSNBC ant the NY times have acted if Bush had tried so hard to hide his past?

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How would CNN and MSNBC ant the NY times have acted if Bush had tried so hard to hide his past?

I'm sorry, I missed it. Where was Bush when he was reported AWOL during his military career? I didn't see those records.

You have taken the talking points to heart. Some of those papers become available when the president's library is built and open to the public. When I see Bush's and Romney's 'records'/'taxes' then we will be even. WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES OF WHERE THESE TWO CURRENT CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO TAKE US IN THE FUTURE. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF ROMNEY'S FIVE POINT PLAN FOR THE UNITED STATES? Looking forward to your 'researched' answer!! This is what we expect to hear in the debates - not the mudslinging from both sides that is prevalent now.

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What? No comment about his citizenship? Lindsey/Renault

Was the 'research' too much for you to make a comment on? WHAT DO YOU THINK OF ROMNEY'S FIVE POINT PLAN? Why aren't the Republicans actively attacking Obama's record? Are they already anticipating the responses during the debate - and want to cloud the answers with irrelevancy? Our president graduated from prestigious universities, receiving a BA and a law degree. He was editor of the Harvard Law Review. He graduated with grades that placed him at the top of his class. He had issues dealing with his bi-racial identity on the mainland. He does not hate 'white' people. He is knowledgable about different cultures and economies - and is respected world-wide for that knowledge. Now, why the silence on the 5 point plan? Haven't the talking points come out yet?

About carrying in church, movie theater, etc. I don't think the act makes you a 'wacko' - but your reasoning on having a machine gun to PLAY WITH makes me certain you are (Renault)

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You want the truth? You can't handle the truth...
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Rumor, what you say, what I say - doesn't make a hill of difference. What the goal should be is to get everyone to do their own research and find out the TRUTH!

TRUTH???? YOu wouldn't know the truth if it walked up and bit you. Your idolization of Obama blinds you to the truth.. Crony Capitalism, Trillion dollar deficits for as long as the eye can see.. a debt burden on our Children that they cannot possibly repay.
A President that was mentored by a Communist, raised by a Communist, and honed his Radical ideology in College where in his own words was a dope-head, radical anti-Colonialist that started his Political career in a Terrorist home... By the wat that Terrorist that helped him write that now known to be fictional book filled with "Composite" girlfriends, and others.
A President that has made us look like idiots that can't keep our mouths shut to our allies.

A President that puts our Troops in harms way and then takes victory laps for their sacrifice..

A President that has given us 48 straight months of 8% plus underemployment 12% if it was still being counted in 2007 standards.

I could go on and on... DM

That's your truth DM.....

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Sorry you self-identified as a wacko! After 2008, are you still on the 'birther' train and non-citizenship caravan? I didn't know !.

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DM don't like it much when the "tables" are turned do you?

You see you helped spread a rumor. Reid has NO Evidence NONE..just a unsubstantiated rumor but yet you guys continue to spread the disinformation.

My little example that you helped me so well with is that there are always rumors and stories and tales that support one side or the other.

Like I said DM it is a two way street and you only see one lane.

btw-

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Here we go again: The wackos are at it again.

Right after my post so.... I think you aimed that one at me.

Oh and I couldn't care less where he was born at.. I just know where I want him to retire at... like in Jan 2013. Glad to see you are still wearing thos rose colored glasses though... Guess it doesn't matter about his ties to Radicals, Terrorist and Communist.. it's all good. Forget about the Economy and those 48 straight months of 8% plus unemployment 12% if measured in 2007 standards. Don't worry about those Trillion dollar deficits for the next 10 years. Oh and btw....don't pay attention to all those new taxes for the Middle Class in that Healthcare takeover.

Yep DM Obama is great.

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Lindsey

Please share with us your 'take' on Romney's 5 Point Plan. Thank you.

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DM I don't have a take...

I am not voting for Romney.... I am voting against Obama. They could run one of the three Stooges and I would vote for that one so....

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(inc. his birth certificate - why not just deliver it right off the bat?!?)

The certificate was called 'phony' by the Trump crowd!!! He didn't try to hide it - nor did the Governor of Hawaii, nurses and doctors in the hospital, etc., etc.., etc.

What's going on? Is Obama's record not 'bad' enough for Romeny to discuss? Are Romeny's policies too close to Obama's? (When he settles on a policy)

Romney listed/clarified his 5 point plan today. There is a deafly silence! Why?

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It's about trust, DM.

And I don't trust our current president to take our nation in a more positive direction, period. As for Romney's plan, I really don't care because it's not Obama's plan. I've seen his and I'm done with him - I don't need to see it for another 4 years; time for a different plan.

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KC - Trust

I understand. The guys who got us in this mess (Cheney, Rove, Halliburton) are the same ones advising Romney. Do you really trust them? I'm sure 'color' of the candidates has nothing to do with your decision - based on TRUST.
SO - It doesn't matter what the opposition to Obama had planned/has not planned for our country - you trust the 'other guy'. Your choice. The polls are saying that your message is coming across loud and clear - and the public is apparently not willing to trust your direction. (But anything can happen before November!

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Color, DM?

I guess you just called me a racist, so I'm done with this conversation. I thought there was more to you than that. Sad... :(

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KC -

Then correct my misconception - don't take your marbles and run home!

I said:

I'm sure 'color' of the candidates has nothing to do with your decision - based on TRUST.
Are you saying that 'color' has something to do with your stand? Now I'm disappointed.

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Your misconception, DM...

...is that 'color' has anything to do with it; I haven't attended a Neo-Nazi rally, in my pickup truck, with my automatic weapons and bazookas, in years and just went to a luncheon and ran into - *GASP* - a BLACK woman I worked with for 4 years back in Kansas; I even - *GASP* - hugged her!

I do not trust the current president because I find his LEADERSHIP lacking, and almost all his POLICIES and ADMINISTRATION do not represent my beliefs. They didn't before he was elected and he's done nothing to make me think he'll do anything different in a 2d term. I will not vote for him. Now, before you respond with 'well, Bush & team did this & that, etc...', yes, they did many things I didn't like, too.

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Color has nothing to do with it

That's what I said. Never imagined you went to Neo-Nazi meetings or 'hugged' a Black lady. Interesting mental picture. Let's try stopping the sharing of what the other 'thinks'. You and others are not going to vote for the 'known' and go with the 'unknown'. That's your choice. Again-color has nothing to do with it. I really can't find fault with someone who 'hugs' a Black lady. Have a nice day.

Anyone care to clarify Romney's 5 Point Plan for me?

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Might want to edit that, kcchief
kcchiefandy wrote:

...is that 'color' has anything to do with it; I haven't attended a Neo-Nazi rally, in my pickup truck, with my automatic weapons and bazookas, in years

OK......so you did before? LOL.

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Sure, NUK...

...I sold Stars & Bars and white boot laces to pay for the trips, too! (please do note the sarcasm; these clowns are about as stupid as the New Black Panthers - maybe more so!)

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KCCA & Bazooka

I coulda sworn you told me you traded the bazooka for a slightly used Flame Thrower!

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It was actually a LAW rocket, AHG!

But they use AT4's now! Still got to watch that back-blast area, though!

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New information on the "Birther Cause"

What Do YOU Think About These Questions????

4 Simple Questions

1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.' So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is 'African-American' when the term wasn't even used at that time?

2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists
Obama's birth as August 4, 1961. It indicates that Barack Hussein Obama was his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in " Kenya, East Africa ". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth.

How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the " British East Africa Protectorate".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_

3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital". This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged.

How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?
_http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx_

4. Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media?
Perhaps a clue comes from Obama’s book. He
states how proud he is of his father fighting in WW II. I’m not a math genius, so I may need some help from you. Barack Obama’s “birth certificate” says his father was 25 years old in 1961 when he was born. That should have put his father’s date of birth approximately 1936. WW II was basically between 1939 and 1945.. Just how many 3 year olds fight in wars? Even in the later stages of WW II his father wouldn’t have been more than 9. Does that mean that Mr. Obama is a liar, or simply chooses to alter the facts to satisfy his imagination or political purposes (still qualifies as a “liar”)?

Now....you think about this -- long and hard!!! YOU decide!

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Answer to 4 questions

1. Because his daddies nationality was African and his mothers was American. . .hense African-American.

2. The British Empire established the East Africa Protectorate in 1895, known from 1920 as the Kenya Colony. The independent Republic of Kenya was founded in December 1963. Kenyans have been calling themselves Kenyan since 1920.

3. This is the story of two hospitals: Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital and Kapi’olani Maternity Home.

4. The man he called ‘father’ was his mother’s father, who was a WWII Veteran. That was in the book

Anyone care to clarify Romney's 5 Point Plan?

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African-Caucasian

Spin Dr, are you sure the birth certificate lists African-American, or did you just read that somewhere? His dad is listed as African, and his mom as Caucasian. I suppose that makes him an African-Caucasian.

Steve

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Take a look at the research

Interesting:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

You're right Steve - Father/African Mother/Caucasian.

Checked my birth certificate: Parents listed as Negro. I'm listed as ETHIOPIAN!! (A donor to the hospital requested that no Negros should be born in their maternity ward.) So - they just listed us as ETHIOPIAN. Ignorance and prejudice go hand in hand. Check it out 1939 - White Memorial Hospital/Los Angeles.

No racism here!!! Geez.

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DM - I

Mr. Obama is our first Black President for a reason DM, we are no longer a totally racist nation. The South was a very big part of Mr. Obama's election as President by whites and blacks.

I do believe that those that forget history are doomed to repeat it.

However, I also believe that:

“What experience and history teaches us is that people and governments have never learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it.”

Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - The Philosophy of History, circa 1840

Therefore, we are doomed to repeat it.....DM. I think this is why our Founders enshrined the Second Amendment and our right to protect ourselves from slavery.

I am sure you agree?

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PTCO

My great aunt always said it takes eternal vigilance to keep freedom alive. I celebrate the progress - and do all I can not to let negative history repeat itself. Americans worked hard for Obama's election - and I agree - many were from the south (both black and white). We had a moment. . . . with respect for all Americans - we will have more. Have a great week end.

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Sorry, DM, but...

...a one-winged duck, or even Hillary, could have defeated Bush; no hard work necessary. The hard work will be to undo what Mr. Obama has done, IMO; thank God we had a Congress to impede his damage.

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thank God we had a Congress to impede his damage.

And lower our credit rating and refuse to pass a jobs bill that would have put Americans back to work.
There is a clear choice now - and the American voter will decide.

Let's undo no preconditions; allowing children to remain on parents healthcare until age 26; a perceived attack on womens healthcare; a serious cut to education, ( the debates will be educational and clarifying). I hope the silly season is over.

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more facts...

Jobs Bills never put people to work creating wealth , they only result in more govt. spending.
The credit rating has been lowered because our govt has spent and borrowed more than it takes in for years. Stop spending more than you take in.
I believe that I should be able to buy healthcare for anyone regardless of age.
War on Women is a made up diversion. All US Citizens are treated better than anywhere in the world.
Repeal the entire Affordable Healthcare law, reverse all EPA regulations that have been implemented since 06, lower taxes (individuals and business), open up oil drilling, stop the influx of illegal aliens. Stop creating new laws and enforce the ones on the books.
Obama has campaigned for 4 years and led for zero. Start leading and stop campaigning. Stop badmouthing the successful. Stop trying to redistribute wealth. It won't work. I will figure out how to (LEGALLY) use our current tax laws to protect my money because I am smarter than most politicians and am highly motivated by self preservation. Progressive taxation is not good. Everyone must pay their fair share! Have you heard that before? Well those of you who do not pay anything, get ready because lots of people are sick of working hard to give you money to sit on your porch and drink 40 oz bottles.
Obama, start uniting the people and stop dividing us.
Welfare should be temporary, not multi-generational. Get rid of cash payments (EBT) cards, they only result in fraud. Stop handing out food stamps to anyone. Yes, require an ID to buy booze, get married, go fishing/hunting and YES TO VOTE.
And finally make the mistake and try to invade my home/property and the business end of a hollow point bullet will gladly make your acquaintance.

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There are areas where LEADERS and public agree - but politicians refuse to work on those areas. The goal of the last 4 years has been to unseat Obama. With the selection of Ryan - there is no question. The line has been drawn in the sand. It will be close - but there is no attempt to solve problems and unite - only to win.

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Davids Mom

I respect your views and honor the way that you express them. I count you as a true American. I would no doubt enjoy debating with you and many others on this website and come away knowing that you truly want this country to continue to succeed. I want the US to be the absolute best, strongest and wealthiest place on earth. We have that now. The rights that our people enjoy are unequaled by any other country.

However those that want to fundamentally change the US into a Socialist/Communist version similar to many European countries...I and many others will fight to make sure that does not happen. Yes, lines are drawn and my posts outline my views on these lines. Obama and those like him must be defeated or we will see this country continue to fall deeper and deeper into a socialist funk. When the money runs out and people ask, "what happened to my free stuff?", and no more free stuff exists then the S*** will hit the fan. The tipping point is nearing, it can be reversed, I am sure. But not with Obama.

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Age of Dependence

In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the
University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the
Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: "A democracy is always
temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until
the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous
gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority
always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from
the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a
dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the
beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200
years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."

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Before Obamacare there was Romneycare

Barak should just do an ad and say;

"Mitt had 1 great idea in his life ROMNEYCARE and I stole it..

but then all you old racists will just say
"that's what the black man does steal".

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I feel sorry for those who rely on the government. Stupid, lazy, ignorant and weak.

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Well, I am actually intrigued

Well, I am actually intrigued about how well we can ignore the dangerous drugs that are more and more part of our daily lives...

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