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Disability Ranks Outpace New Jobs In Obama Recovery

More workers joined the federal government's disability program in June than got new jobs, according to two new government reports, a clear indicator of how bleak the nation's jobs picture is after three full years of "economic recovery"

In 1992, only 1 in 33 people were on disability. In the Obamaconomy, 1 in 15 are on disability. The moocher class has learned that they don't have to work for a living when there is an administration in place that believes that their role is to "spread the wealth".

In 1983, 85% of the working population paid federal income taxes. Fast forward to today when only 51% pay their fair share into the system.

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Recovery Summer?

Didn't Obama state in 2009 the following

A year from now I think people are going to see that we’re starting to make some progress,” said Obama. ”But there’s still going to be some pain out there. If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

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Ole Barry stepped in it again today out on the stump. At his first stop he mentioned the June job numbers and said "That's a step in the right direction". After getting panned for it and also reminded that it takes 130,000 to 150,000 jobs per month to keep pace....he dropped the line at his next stop. Almost like the previous month's job number reports when he said the private sector is "doing fine". This guy is living in a parallel universe.

Reminds me that I heard a good one yesterday:

Word is that California police may want to question Barry about the death of Steve Jobs. Apparently they figure with all the other jobs he has killed in the last 3 1/2 years, he may be good for that one too.

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I must share a laugh, Cy...

...on the way home tonight, listening to the new 106.7 'All News' station, I heard the POTUS say during a speech snip-it (I assume today or yesterday) that '...and 'IT'S OBAMA'S FAULT; THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE TO SAY!'. I laughed my a$$ off, after 3+ years of their 'It's BUSH'S fault'!!!! LOL x 3+!!!!

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Obama's new title....

the Food Stamp President.

http://www.ajc.com/news/number-of-georgians-on-1473447.html

And coming from the ever-so-slightly liberal AJC, notice the spin in the story.....those evil repubs. No mention of a failed economic policy. By his own tongue, Obama should be a one-term President.

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Ah now Cy you done went and gone Racist on us

Didn't you know using that term brands you a racist. Just ask DM she'll enlighten you.

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Cy's issue

is not racist - but with other states not having as many on 'food stamps' - maybe one needs to look at the leadership in Georgia.

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As Congress debates the future of the food stamp program, with Republicans looking to cut it back, the number of recipients in Georgia has ballooned to 1.9 million as of April, or nearly 20 percent of the population

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Georgia Republican U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss said it does not make sense to maintain or increase food stamp funding over the next half-decade if the economy is improving and thus fewer people will need the assistance.

I guess Chambliss feels the forward movement in the economy will improve? No help for 20% of the citizens of Georgia? Is this tough love?

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DM, Obama said...

..."President Obama hailed another positive jobs report today, telling workers on a southern Virginia factory floor that "the economy is getting stronger" and "better days are ahead. Our job now is to keep this economic engine churning" 2012-03-09.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/03/obama-the-e...

So, Saxby should disagree and support greater taxes when the economy IS improving, per the POTUS? And it isn't NO help to the 20%; it's INCREASING HELP to those 20%...

Oh, just to add, as I read Cy's link with the 23-yr old mommy working as a waitress and going to college needing that $300 to feed 'good food' to her child, I ask 'WHERE IS THE BABY'S FATHER AND WHAT IS HE CONTRIBUTING IN CHILD SUPPORT TO BUY GOOD FOOD FOR HIS CHILD'?! The reporter didn't include that information. I guess we're to feel sorry for her and have the taxpayer pick up the tab for kid's 'good' food. Hey, I've got 2 kids (w/ college bills), a mortgage, and a car payment - how about the state give ME $300/month to buy food, or, where were they when I was working 60+ hours a week at 2 jobs to TAKE CARE OF MY FAMILY?! HOW ABOUT SOME PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR LIFE/DECISIONS, MOMMY??? She is a perfect example of the welfare state (albeit seems to be trying to own up to the situation, per the report) - the state will take care of me if I need it to, therefore I can do whatever I please without much consequence. Again, Reporter, where is the Daddy in this? But, maybe she's a trans-sexual lesbian who was inseminated 'by' her partner, and can't legally be listed on the birth certificate because the sperm needed came from a male donor, thus making the donor the legal 'father'.

Ok, rant over.

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Cy and the debates

Wait until the debates! Outsourcing/insourcing and SO MANY OTHER TOPICS - will make the debates interesting and informative for the American people. Race and inherited income will also be a topic - but what the Republicans plan to do that is DIFFERENT in order to save the United States in this global economy will be far more important!!! The hit at Obama's relatives is of little import to most Americans. The Repubs tried that tactic with Kennedy, Clinton, Carter etc., etc., etc. to no avail. The Republicans are not evil - just don't seemed concerned for the middle class in this country - and Romney isn't going to help that perception. . . IMO

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Debates.

There is still time for one or the other to "implode" before November.

As you know, I'm not a fan of the President but truth be known I'm not overly thrilled with Romney either.

Race and inherited income....Hmm. Interesting you would bring that up. We'll see how that all plays out......again.

But like the President has said, if he can't get the economy going after the 3rd year it could be a one-term proposition. The federal government has, under his watch, spent a rather large sum of money to stimulate the economy so what do we have to show for it? The latest reports indicates that the economy has essentailly stalled. You infer that global economics has something to do with the inability of his team to foster economic development. Well, welcome to the real world where this "hope" and "change" stuff are simply empty words designed to arouse the interest of the ill-informed masses.

But hey, he's had his chance and so far he has failed. In the real business world - you know, the one that he's not familiar with - people get fired for not meeting expectations.

Oh, about the family; it is what it is. I'm merely putting a name and a face on a far larger problem that some can't seem to grasp regarding a sovereign nation protecting its borders and citizens. This notion that we have to protect those that are illegally here and sucking on benefits designed for citizens is hard for many to understand. I guess the President and his team seems to think that's OK.

As for the middle class and which party has your back.....it's the one that grows the economy and allows those of us in the "middle" to live out our little lives without using us a cash dispensing ATM.

Anyways, it's off to bed as I have get up early and hit the gym in order to scare off those "evil" fat cells.

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DM is just parroting Obama campaign talking points CY

The outsourcing has been debunked..and so has the off shore business. It's was given a lair, lair pants on fire by everyone..

Sad for someone who was a teacher to just completely swallow "stories" just because it makes her side look better, if that is even possible.

How is that let's all "work together and the truth is all we need" working out?

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And who do you ' parrot'?

After looking at the FACTS - what do you think of the outsourcing/insourcing debacle?

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The Romney campaign, for its part, is attacking the article on the basis of how the Obama campaign interpreted it, not what it actually says

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"In a case of awkward timing, The Washington Post’s report on Thursday evening on Mitt Romney’s investments in companies that specialized in outsourcing came only hours after the Washington Post’s ‘Fact Checker’ blog gave one of its harshest ratings to an Obama campaign ad accusing Romney of shipping jobs overseas.

Glenn Kessler, who writes the blog, gave the ad “Four Pinocchios” for its claim that “as a corporate raider, [Romney] shipped jobs to China and Mexico” and that “As governor, he did the same thing: Outsourcing state jobs to India.”"

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/wapo-fact-checker-defends-four...

"Undeterred by independent fact checkers that have debunked the thrust of their claims, the Obama campaign is redoubling attacks on Mitt Romney as an “outsourcer” in a new TV ad airing in eight battleground states." ABC News
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/obama-ad-calls-romney-the-p...

Factcheck.org also gives this one a "Pants on Fire"
http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-outsourcer-overreach/

So DM who are your sources?

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Calling DM...

Remember this one....

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Your purpose in any of your contributions is to denigrate those who disagree with you. (the bully pulpit) Just interested in the 'truth' - not the 'spin'. Those who back their opinions with some semblance of 'fact' are most interesting and informative (regardless of their 'side')

and then I said..

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For the next time you tell us all what your purpose is on here call into question our educational status and we ask you to provide evidence/sources to back up that rhetoric of yours...

Well here is that time already. Who knew it would happen literally in under 5 minutes.

Dm you wanted to know "who" I was getting "my facts" from and I would like to know from whom you are getting yours?

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And who do you ' parrot'?

After looking at the FACTS - what do you think of the outsourcing/insourcing debacle?

I gave you mine. Can you do the same?

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Do you read what you share? You never share your opinion, just your spin or what someone else has shared from
( possibly) another source. Can you answer the question regarding outsourcing/insourcing?

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DM you are not this dense

I don't share my opinion??? Since when? My spin as you call it is 99% of the time is backed up by facts just like above.

Dm let me remind you how all this started....

DM you told CY that this fall debates are going to be good because Romney is going to have to explain the outsourcing / offshore issues...

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Wait until the debates! Outsourcing/insourcing and SO MANY OTHER TOPICS - will make the debates interesting and informative for the American people.

Then I responded to CY with this...

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The outsourcing has been debunked..and so has the off shore business. It's was given a lair, lair pants on fire by everyone..

You responded with this...

Davids mom wrote:

And who do you ' parrot'?

After looking at the FACTS - what do you think of the outsourcing/insourcing debacle?

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The Romney campaign, for its part, is attacking the article on the basis of how the Obama campaign interpreted it, not what it actually says

Note how the last quote was not attributed..

Then DM I responded by giving you 3 different sources.. one from The Washington Post not a known Conservative voice, Factcheck.org also not known as being pro-right and finally ABC News.

Three liberal sources all debunking the story from the Obama Campaign. Factcheck did it back in January of this year. Yet Gibbs and others including Obama himself keeps trying to sell that lie.

You know why DM? Because they know their minions like yourself will swallow the story never checking to see if it is true or not, parrot it here and elsewhere to help spread the lies. Your a tool DM to be used and put back on the shelf until the next election.

So to answer your question:

Davids mom wrote:

After looking at the FACTS - what do you think of the outsourcing/insourcing debacle?

I don't think anything of it... I don't put credence in propaganda put out by the Obama smear team of course DM.. Even many Democrats are telling the Campaign to back off Bain Capital.

So DM there it is... There are no "Facts". There is no "debacle". Just typical lies and mud from the Progressive side of the isle.

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Yes, she is.

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I don't think anything of it... I don't put credence in propaganda put out by the Obama smear team of course DM.. Even many Democrats are telling the Campaign to back off Bain Capital.

The operative words here are "I don't think". I checked the three 'sources' that you supposedly shared - and these news sources shared different opinions. You shared only that that suited your belief. I respect your right to your opinion without calling you dense. I guess you never learned that in a debate - one loses points for personal attacks. While participating in this discussion, I admit that I have also forgotten - and have lost a number of 'points' because of this lapse of memory.

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DM you are NOT telling the truth

but I expected no less.

All 3 sources explicitly said the Obama ad was incorrect. You just didn't want to read it because it disagrees with your assumptions and the One.

btw- I didn't "supposedly" share the sources DM they are linked in this thread so......

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As for the middle class and which party has your back.....it's the one that grows the economy and allows those of us in the "middle" to live out our little lives without using us a cash dispensing ATM.

It's just difficult to give the power back to the party that obviously didn't have our backs for 8 years+. I still feel that if there was just some serious effort by our leaders to 'work together' along with the economists, etc. - we could find our way out of this mess. It is obvious that the US is not the only government in trouble. President Obama has not been successful, IMO, because he has had a powerful group of legislators and citizens against his success for a variety of reasons - politics being number one.

I don't know if you watch 60 Minutes - but I was appalled at the validation of the corruption in Washington (and obviously throughout our country) due to the Lobbyists Mentality!! We're fighting about the 'right to vote' - when this 'pay FOR legislation' game that is played throughout the country completely makes our vote UNIMPORTANT!!

About the 'protecting the ones who are here illegally' - when one gives a sigh of relief because no one in their family LOOKS LIKE THEM - there is a problem that affects LEGALS. As you know, there are more Africans here on the east coast than on the west coast - and no one is asking them for their 'papers'. . . even if they are arrested for a crime - unless they have a distinctive accent. This effort at getting illegals 'out' is focused on the Hispanic population. (In the meantime, the Russian Mafia flourishes -{ unvalidated info that a possible Russian Mafia recruit (actually a Ukranian) killed Bill Cosby's son.}

Unfortunately, I too am fighting the fat cell war - and find it exhausting!! If it wasn't so darn unhealthy - I would be just fine at my age being fat!

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60 Minutes is not...

...a valid source of information, as they've been proven over time to edit their reports to bias the opinion they want to present. As for stopping 'Africans', or other 'non-Hispanic-possible-illegal-aliens' for their papers; do you have any statistics on this, compared to Hispanics, or are you just guessing because OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE MORE ILLEGAL HISPANIC ALIENS HERE THAN ANY OTHER GROUP? Oh, and from what I understand, it's much easier to enter the US illegally FROM MEXICO than it is from AFRICA, WHICH HAS A GREAT BIG OCEAN TO IMPEDE their movements onto our shores. I understand you're quite liberal, DM, but do try to understand the common sense of the situation.

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Really? Do you have the statistical data regarding the LEGAL immigration numbers from Africa, Canada, Mexico,etc.? The Africans who came earlier did have to cross that dangerous ocean by ship, but most use planes today. . . Not quite as dangerous.
Most Americans do not automatically question the legal status of an African looking man or woman. (With the current exception of our POTUS.) Thanks for sharing your source.

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I don't, DM...

...that's why it's a silly statement and the common sense rule must apply. Ship or plane, it's a long trip and requires a passport (I'm sure a few do smuggle themselves in somehow, of course not to the level the Chinese have at times on the W. coast). It's still much easier to pile in a truck and drive a few miles across a border (or just walk...) and not worry about having a passport.

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What - no source for the basis of your assumption? Given: It is easier to cross the borders of some of our southern states. No one seemed to mind for decades., , as long as they (Hispanics/Indians) provided cheap labor. But remember KC - those states had Hispanic/Indian looking citizens when they became states (Arizona, New Mexico, California, etc.) It is not the lack of common sense that citizens of our country fear racial profiling - but a reality based on experience.

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Point taken, DM...

...and it's too bad those who have been here/came here leagally have had to suffer the from the errors of their brethern's illegal acts. I believe the E-Verify system would be very, very useful in stopping the abuse by employers using illegal aliens, but currently I understand only Federal contractors are required to use it.

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E-Verify!!!!

KC - please - the businesses that profit from the use of foreign labor haven't stopped at all! (Except for construction and agriculture - the sweat shops in California and New York are still filled with women from foreign countries - whose status of legality is questionable.) And we pay top price for their hard work. (The clothing industry). These businesses still make a profit from the Indian and Asian women who do the job 'off shore'. E-Verify is an excellent idea - I wonder who lobbied for it to apply to Federal contractors only? Hmmmm. You may be too young to remember the Bracero program. It was a disgrace for a country that supposedly has a humanistic approach to life and liberty. My contacts tell me that the Coyote program in California has suffered a great loss, since the work has shriveled somewhat in that state. However, the drug traffic is flourishing. These businesses are not taxed - but their CEO's are among the nations (our nation and those to the south of us) wealthiest. WHY DO YOU ACCEPT THE SUFFERING OF AMERICAN CITIZENS BECAUSE OF THEIR APPEARANCE? I do not find this acceptable behavior for a problem that the business industry in the United States encouraged because foreigners came here looking for work, and worked for below minimum wage so that the owners of these businesses could make a bigger profit by not hiring Americans. I hope that the Governor of Arizona is sincere in her statement that she will make sure her law-enforcement officers do not use racial profiling in her state. We'll see.

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60 Minutes/Hannity

KC - most people in search of the truth in this political mess listen to all sources of the news - and all commentators. There was a great deal of truth in the 60 Minute expose of corruption in Washington by all news reports, commentators, and results of the ethic investigations in our state and federal seats of government. No one has denied the statements of the convicted lobbyist who 'OWNED' too many of our legislators. No one party is exempt from this 'ownership' of the US legislators. He stated on 60 Minutes what some here have said many times - our legislators seldom READ the bills that they vote on!

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is not a valid source of information, as they've been proven over time to edit their reports to bias the opinion they want to present.

Do you know one news station that does not do this? This is why it is important to use the freedom that we have to access all information about a subject. It's mental laziness to just 'hear' one opinion regarding an issue.

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Oh, so true, DM...

...that some stories/productions of major networks have been of value, but conversely they have ALL been caught editing stories to bias their report(s). In this 24/7 news cycle we're subjected to you really have to measure & compare the info to get a clear picture of the reality of the situation; i.e. - trust but verify.

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Verify. Yup. And it really isn't easy. .. . but educational as well as interesting. I've been doing some research on economists opinions regarding this situation. So much - too much - does depend on the world economy. A lot depends on the American people willingness to sacrifice. The obvious decline of the middle class in our country is disconcerting. There are a few who have been able to hold on - but too many have lost homes due to questionable practices by lending institutions. . . yet understandably, we don't want government to take over private enterprise. Lack of ethics in business and government is not new.

The Teapot Dome scandal was a bribery incident that took place in the United States in 1922–1923, during the administration of President Warren G. Harding. Secretary of the Interior Albert B. Fall leased Navy petroleum reserves at Teapot Dome and two other locations to private oil companies at low rates without competitive bidding. In 1922 and 1923, the leases became the subject of a sensational investigation by Senator Thomas J. Walsh. Fall was later convicted of accepting bribes from the oil companies.
Before the Watergate scandal, Teapot Dome was regarded as the "greatest and most sensational scandal in the history of American politics".[1] The scandal also was a key factor in posthumously further destroying the public reputation of the Harding administration, which was already unpopular due to its poor handling of the Great Railroad Strike of 1922 and the President's veto of the Bonus Bill in 1922.[2]

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I keep hearing about these lending institutions...

...and other than those who lost jobs due to the downturn and lost their homes, which I truly feel for, I think the problem mostly laid with lenders who too freely threw mortgages to those, upon greater scrutiny, has no business getting one, or too sizable of one. On the other side of the desk are those who took the mortgage, and if they didn't understand the terms of the deal or the great responsibility of taking on a mortgage, they have only then themselves to blame. Home ownership may be part of the American dream, but it's not a God-given right; it's a responsibility you take on, for yourself AND your neighbors.

In my subdivision, the other 4 nearby, I have not seen many foreclosures, although I'm sure there were some, or short-sales at the very least. And I live in a very run-of-the-mill, middle-class neighborhood; no McMansions here.

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Lending institutions

Very little disagreement here. Home ownership: truly a very important part of the American dream - but we do very little in helping those who have never had the responsibility or had role models in their families to mentor them regarding home ownership. Many young people (middle class potential) today are renting.
Many are struggling to maintain the outward appearance of 'middle class' - and still pay the bills and save for a possible college education for their kids. Gone are the days when your savings earned 10-17% interest! There were some individuals who saw this problem throughout our country and initiated 'home ownership classes'. You got it - NOBODY (very few) SIGNED UP!! The classes were free for the participants!! Minimal grants were given to cover cost of supplies/location (usually held in a church - therefore no cost) and instructors were for the most part volunteers! You can lead a horse to water - but you can't make him drink!! This knowledge of responsibility must be taught beginning in middle school - especially if it is not modeled at home.

A good HOME ECONOMICS CLASS?

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Do you remember this?

"President Obama promised during his campaign that lobbyists "won't find a job in my White House."

So the corruption is "due to the Lobbyists Mentality!!"

So DM who let them in?

Obama finds room for lobbyists
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/18128.html

Oh he did.

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analysis done by Republican sources and corroborated by Politico.

Just what you wanted to hear. I could bring up reports to suit what I want to hear. Get it?

In the meantime, we are being distracted from the fact that OUR LEADERS, regardless of party, are playing political chess while the American people are hurting. Sad.

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I've forgotton, DM...

...what, specifically, do you want the Congress to do? I know they've extended unemployment benefits (was it twice now?), they've guarenteed you've have health insurance (whether you can afford it or not), they've stimulated our economy to the tune of what, $800 Billion added to the national debt? They've handed $$ out so you could get rid of your 'clunker car', and they're dolling out funds so some people can re-finance their homes. Along the way has been the usual Gov't waste, like Solyndra & such, and the first step toward 'amnesty' has been taken to let 11+ million illegals stay here (I'm sure a new Gov't department will be created to handle that).

Outside of 'JOBS', of which the Gov't can incentivise businesses to create but is not, and should not be, in the business of - directly - creating, what specifically do you want government to do for the hurting American people?

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what, specifically, do you want the Congress to do?

Stop playing politics and WORK TOGETHER FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE to put us back to work!! The Republicans and some Democrats are so afraid of being called FDR clones, that they will not be creative and put Americans back to work improving our decaying infrastructure, improving our eduational offerings, and keeping our citizens healthy. We have the history of the Hoover/Roosevelt eras. We don't have to make the same mistakes that were made during that time. This Congress is a disgrace to the United States Constitution! This Congress has not represented the American people, but corporations and wealthy citizens who seek and have power by buying the vote of our legislators. The discussion of ideology is a distraction in my opinion. If Obama can get the economy working - he wins (Good for the Democrats) If the Republicans can halt the progress of a recovery - they win. In the meantime, The AMERICAN PEOPLE are suffering because of our leaders inability to sit down and work together. IMHO

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Let me translate that for you, KC
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..... put Americans back to work improving our decaying infrastructure, improving our eduational offerings, and keeping our citizens healthy.

This translates to more government (taxpayer) STIMULUS! Lets borrow more money from China that we have no way of paying back. It worked so well the first time, let's throw another 1 Trillion at it and see if it sticks this time.

This is all the bedwetters have left to offer. More government.

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Enjoyed the discussion. Have a nice day.

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Well, ok, DM...

...but didn't we just lower student loan interest percents and renew, by Ex Order, speeding up the decisions in the stimulus infrastructure program? Corporations & the wealthy have always had a hand in manipulating Congress, just as unions and PACs have; the individual voice means little - it's the fight to get voices in numbers heard.

If I hear you, you want a WPA or NRA program like during the depression, from a national gov't that can't pay it's debt burden in the next 5 decades or so, and is still going deeper in the red?

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WPA?

NO - but I believe that if politics were not at the top of the agenda (who is going to control the legislature, etc.) - we would be able to stop being paralyzed by our current economic situation and work together to plan for the necessary decades it will take to get out of this mess - REALIZING that the American people are going to have to sacrifice in order to do so! That's the rub. No one is willing to look at what it will take to pay the debt - but willing to pay the PACS to elect those who will follow their ideology. . . . .an ideology of gaining/maintaining power. In the meantime, the middle class is slowly disappearing. With the money that the American people are raising for the 2012 election - our debt could have been substantially lowered. . and not a dime borrowed from China or some of the wealthy middle-east dictators. If we don't also keep our eye on our infrastructure, our students' (the future of this country)education, our industry? - we will be overshadowed in the global economy by countries we consider 'third world'.

The individual voice means little

As long as we believe this - we have wasted the freedom that our forefathers fought for! There is an issue locally regarding the metro-Atlanta area - transportation - and only 15% of the eligible voters are anticipated to exercise their voting right. Just yesterday (I think) Georgia passed legislation that gas tax funds would be used to extend toll roads in the state. (Even tho drivers showed that they would not utilize this extra lane, etc. not too long ago.) Everyone has been distracted by the T-SPLOST issue. TOLL ROADS??? Oh well - that's another issue.

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Davids mom wrote:

With the money that the American people are raising for the 2012 election - our debt could have been substantially lowered. . and not a dime borrowed from China or some of the wealthy middle-east dictators.

Our Debt is $16 Trillion that's 16 thousand Billion granted the Hundreds of Millions raised by Political groups wouldn't touch our debt, but you are correct it would be a good start. So let's propose a cut in Government eliminate unnecessary bureaucratic agencies and stop the campaigning that goes on forever.

But then again how do we get around that pesky Constitution thing hmmmm.

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You know, I can't even visualize the amount of our debt. I agree with you about the campaign thingy. By the way, just returned from renewing my license(drivers). Went to the DDS office near Fayetteville. (Not sure where I was-husband drove) Arrived at 7:30. Stood in line until around 10:00. Received my ticket for service and filled out the paper work. Sat down and waited for my number to be called. The professionals working in the office examined the papers I had to bring in for validating my citizenship and residence - and I was on my way home at 11:30. Met some wonderful Fayetteville residents in line. Love this diverse city!!

The legislators or their staff who didn't think through this process should be fired!! I understand that the process will be improved. It doesn't matter if you are foreign born or not - all citizens should make sure they have all of the required documentation before renewing or applying for a drivers license. Bring your wallet, it's not free! Easy to get a government issued ID? Hmmmmmm. I hope the process is improved soon.

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4 hours, DM?

Gosh, I would have left. Hopefully you brought a good book with you? I renewed in Thomaston the summer before last and didn't have to wait in line at all. Had lunch in town and stopped and bought peaches from Smith Orchards on the way home. I think the whole trip was less than 4 hours.

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New process - Wildcat

as of July 1st! Had a good book, (Fifty Shades of Grey). And pleasant conversation with those in line.

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Sacrifice, DM...

...depends on the level(s) one is willing to go to, in this specific vein of discussion, to help our country. Kennedy said it best - 'do not ask what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country'. Its a sentiment of a passed time, I believe. While I agree many have been hurt in this downturn, we still maintain one of the highest levels of living standards in the world; calling to the gov't to help get you back to where you were isn't a sacrifice; it's self-serving. The middle class has taken the brunt of the hit and carries the tax load for both ends of the spectrum; lighten that load by lower their taxes and reducing gov't spending is needed. It will help strengthen the middle and in turn help the lower; the upper will always avoid helping more, esp. when they have the resources that we don't to overcome/avoid tax law; complain all you want, it won't change.

By 'individual voice', I mean you must muster together to make something happen; you, yourself, trying to get a stoplight in your neighborhood will affect little, but if all your neighbors sign on to it, the larger voice will be more effective. So yes, VOTE, and the majority will get what they're after. Funny you mention Metro area voters; I remember during Obama's election the lines at the polls were around the block, but once that was over and there was a run-off between Issacson(?) and his Dem opponent a month later, it dropped back down to the 25-30% voter level; metro-ATL voters just don't care (probably why there's so much corruption in the ATL).

Education is a state matter, with Federal support,and should stay that way, so it's up to states to get our students up to speed. If I've every agreed w/ the POTUS on anything, yes I believe we need to invest in our infrastructure, working w/ the states to make it so.

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Very valid points. Will you run for Congress? :-). Or at least Georgia State Legislature!!

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I'll try, DM...

...but I'll have to retire first so I have the time! Hopefully I can count on your vote; I'm a fairly centrist conservative who has leaned left a time or two! ;)

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Let me know when you're ready. We need a little leaning in order to get this country back on track. . .from all citizens.

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DM and Lindsey

Watching DM and Lindsey and Joe Kawfi fight is what makes reading the Citizen on-line so much fun. I'd love to see the three of you sit down for a cuppa at the local deauxnut joint.

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