Obama’s dream turns into our Nightmare

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The Supreme Court/Immigration

They got it right. Most people dealing with this discussion use civil discourse. (that term was used in the narrative of the decision) The Supreme Court's ruling on Immigration gives Congress and the President a pathway to protecting the rights of all citizens under the Constitution. Border states have a problem. Illegals involved in criminal acts should be deported. Citizens who have a different hue should not have to produce 'papers'. Most Americans agree with this. In Georgia, I see more Americans working at jobs that were formally held by those who had a latino appearance. I guess this president and his advisors have a pretty good handle on the Constitution (now we'll hear now the 5 justices were wrong) from the experts here. Interesting.

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DM: Read the ruling again

The SC specifically ruled that it's OK to make people "produce papers" if law enforcement thinks they may be illegally here.

As far as what kind of handle the Prez and his advisers have on the Constitution, we'll find out Thursday when the SC kills the individual mandate and I bet it will be by greater than 5-4 as it relates to the individual mandate.

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Brewer also cautioned her state's police officers against taking the policy too far, saying: "Law enforcement will be held accountable should this statute be misused in a fashion that violates an individual's civil rights."

We'll see how this is implemented between the SC and Gov. Brewer.

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If stopped for a criminal offense. The governor stated that there will be no racial profiling. There are cases ready to go to court as I type. You read Justice Kennedy's opinion carefully. Those more radical than I are ready to pounce. I congratulate the court for upholding the Constitution and we'll just have to wait and see how Arizona protects the rights of ALL of its citizens.

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DM: Kennedy's opinion

I've read it and especially why the decision was 8-0 in favor of letting the key part of the AZ go into effect:

“The Federal Government has brought suit against a sovereign State to challenge the provisions even before the law has gone into effect. There is a basic uncertainty about what the law means and how it will be enforced. At this stage, without the benefit of a definitive interpretation from the state courts it would be inappropriate to assume [that provision] will be construed in a way that creates a conflict with federal law.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77789.html#ixzz1ypmAoqgl

In other words, assuming there will be racial profiling before a law even starts doesn't hold water with ANYONE on the SC right now and another example of Holder's incompetence.

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Nuk's opinion vs. Justice Kennedy and the Supreme Court

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The immigration decision squarely rejected three provisions of the Arizona law. One made it a state crime not to complete or carry the immigration papers already required by federal law. Another made it criminal for an illegal immigrant to apply for or hold a job -- a rule that goes beyond the federal norm that criminalizes the employer of an illegal worker, not the worker himself. The third provision gave the police the authority to arrest without a warrant anyone whom they reasonably suspected of having committed some act that would allow them to be removed from the country under federal immigration law. (Ordinarily, if federal authorities stop a removable alien, they can’t detain him, but simply tell him that he must show up for a hearing.) The court concluded that all of these provisions were beyond Arizona’s authority to enact.

Papers Please:

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The court did allow the main component of the law to stand. That requires state and local police to check the immigration status of people they've stopped or detained if a "reasonable suspicion" exists that the person is in the country
Illegally

This will be watched carefully.

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DM: The quote used is Kennedy's from his opinion

It's not a 3rd party news source filing a story. What I quoted were Kennedy's exact words and the entire decision is online for anyone to read.

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In S. AZ, you can't swing a dead cat...

...and NOT hit a Latino. So you'd have it they can NOT stop ANY suspicious person who 'looks to be' Latino for fear of 'profiling'? That's about as stupid as it can get... Go live there, or Del Rio, or El Paso, or Yuma, especially in the more rundown areas of those towns, and get back with us later on that. Oh, make sure you move all those nice household items you have down there, too, and if you have a nice car, park it in the driveway.

You have a nice 'watch' from the safety of several states away, DM...

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Homeland Security suspends immigration agreements with Arizona p

When the powers that be under this corrupt, un-American administration sign an agreement, you can pretty much bet that they won't adhere to it.

Homeland Security suspends immigration agreements with Arizona police

It's a very dark day in America when our own government pits itself against the citizens of our country in favor of criminals.

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But Joe the Libs have said that was just a coincidence

and not part of some act by the administration to punish Arizona.

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LOL

It's almost too easy to get you to show your racist side. Sad. Criminals, regardless of their color should be arrested and dealt with. The law says judge humans in our country by their actions, not their color or ethnicity. I guess you also disagree with this because Davids Mom made the statement. :-)

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Throwing out the race card DM is not an argument

Where in anything I said can possibly construed as a racist statement...?

Well by anyone other then you that is. If I said the Sun was hot you would say I was a bigot against the Moon.

Moon-bat look it up DM.

DM I have to ask you... do you enjoy getting air quotes slapped around?

You make asinine statements like that above only fuels the notion that you yourself has more race issues then any of us.

There is an old Psychobabble argument that he or she that constantly accuses others of an act or deed is really guilty of the act or deed that he/she accuses others of.

With you I think Sigmond might have been right.

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Lindsey

Is your name KC? My comment was directed at KC's 'cats/Latino comment. (Just for clarification). But thanks for your enlightened response.

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Won't argue for KC but the question still stands

is calling Latino's Latino racist now?

DM not every comment that you disagree with is racist.

btw- you did not say KC your post appeared under mine.. Once these strings goes over two pages you need to directly address who you wish to respond to... Post tend to show where ever they want.

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SUCH A NON-RACIST/LOVING STATEMENT
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In S. AZ, you can't swing a dead cat...
...and NOT hit a Latino

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Let me clarify, DM...

...where I come from it's a euphemism to mean there's a lot of 'whatever' around (like 'in America, you can't swing a dead cat and not hit an obese person'). That said, from what I understand (and this is from the news, et al, as I have not been to S. AZ in about 30 years, but have recently been to Del Rio & El Paso, TX) there are a lot of Mexicans and other Central/South American people illegally sneaking into our country via the AZ/NM/TX borders. By the Supreme Court's ruling, IF ARRESTED, immigration status will be checked on ANYONE suspected of being here illegally, so long as it does not lengthen their stay in jail/being held more than the norm for why they were arrested.

By sheer numerical evidence, and emperical evidence based on past law enforcement & border security records, it appears the overwhelming majority of illegal aliens entering the US in these locations are Latino. I'm sure if they arrest someone who speaks only Chinese, they'll check their status, too; or Russian, or Austrailian... So, it may LOOK like profiling, but the sheer odds are that most of the 'status checks' will happen to be Latino, unless they're arrested in N. Minnesota, where they'll be careful not to profile Canandians, eh?

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LOL - KC clarification

Thanks! You can't swing a dead cat and not hit a 'white' man in Georgia! Just an innocent euphemism . I get it.

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Glad you got it, DM...

...but now I want to look up where that phrase really came from! Unfortunately, I imagine it's origins are probably going to involve someone actually swinging a dead cat!

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Best I could find, DM...

...as there's not a specific, confirming source as to where the phrase originated from, but mostly likely morphed over time:

The earliest known example of the phrase is this:

One house I know more especially by Cursitors-Alley, where the Man, his Wife and Childe liv’d in a Room that look’d more like, for bigness, a big Chest than any thing else: They had not space enough (according to the vulgar saying) to swing a Cat in; so hot by reason of the closeness, and so nastily kept besides, that it took away a mans breath to put his head but within the doors.

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Lindsey, careful very slippery slope here

Didn't you know that Latino is the new "N" word.

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I know Dondol...The NAACP is at it again

They just claimed it's racist to hold (with)Holder in contempt.

That the ONLY reason the Republicans are doing so is because he is black.

No it's not because a out of control and illegal gun smuggling operation occurred and it resulted in a death of a Law enforcement Officer, countless injuries and violent acts... No it's not because of the cover ups and stone walling... Nah it's because he is black.

Benjamin Todd Gutless is great bearer standard for that group.

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Should I have said 'Hispanic'?

Is their an 'L' word now for this demographic?

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Dondol - Latino vs. 'N' word
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Didn't you know that Latino is the new "N" word.

Incorrect!! Unless the person who is using the word means it in a denigrating way. The history of the 'N' word has no correlation with the word LATINO as used in the English language.

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Davids mom wrote:

Criminals, regardless of their color should be arrested and dealt with. The law says judge humans in our country by their actions, not their color or ethnicity. .

-Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

-Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate.

-Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.

-Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.

-Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

-Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.

-Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.

-Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.

Yeah, right. When we arrest based on the level of crime, we still get accused of racism. You can't win with the race whores and pimps.

NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE!

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Races aren't arrested -individuals are! You are a profiler!

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Races

I never stated that races are arrested! You are an idiot!
You just don't like it when the FACTS regarding crime in this country are put in front of you.

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Yeah, right. When we arrest based on the level of crime, we still get accused of racism. You can't win with the race whores and pimps

Arrest based on the level of crime? Persons who think like you are the reason for the fear of racial profiling. (And your posts keep that fear alive). Almost all law enforcement arrests are based on the individuals illegal actions. Are you saying that law enforcement in Fayette County arrests based on racial 'facts'. You sir are a dangerous liar. . . And today's law enforcement deserves better. What are you on? They need to arrest you and get you into rehab.

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The resident race whore proves her stupidity once again.

David's Mom -

Your skull must be at least 3 inches thick to house such a small brain.

I stated that arrests are based on crime, not on race.

My gosh, I have never encountered someone as completely stupid as you in my entire life.

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You can't read your own quotes. You quoted statistics of black crime and then stated arrests made based on level of crime, etc. Etc., etc. I politely ask you to not refer to me as a whore again in this discussion.

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Yeah, right. When we arrest based on the level of crime, we still get accused of racism. You can't win with the race whores and pimps

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Dense?

So, now the ever so polite resident race whore is asking for civility after accusing me of being a rasist. Dense, Davids Mom? STFU

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the ever so polite resident race whore is asking for civility after accusing me of being a rasist. Dense, Davids Mom? STFU

I join the other contributors who have identified you as an entity with no 'mind' or 'logic' I don't think I have identified you as a RASIST - but look it up and let me know what that word means. As far as The Grizz, like others, you no longer require attention or answers from David's Mom.

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Don't go away mad

Just go away.

Good riddance, bee otch.

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Barack's Beantown Blunder while Pimping

for donations to his campaign tonight.

Barack flew in to Boston tonight to suck more cash out of his most liberal constituents. One of his stops was at Symphony Hall, where tickets to get in were $250. to $10,000. each.

As part of his opening remarks, he makes the most insulting comment possible to anyone who lives in Boston (New England, for that matter) and says to this crowd who PAID to get in to hear him say this, "Finally, Boston I just want to say thank you for Youkilis."

As boos came from the floor and down from the double balconies, Obama CHUCKLED and responded to the pissed off fans, "I didn't anticipate boos out of here. I guess I should not have brought up baseball. I understand. My mistake, my mistake. You gotta know your crowd." The crowd responded with a cheer of "Youk".

Let me tell you, if anyone watched the Braves-Red Sox Sunday at Fenway, when Youk was pulled from the game in the 7th inning as his trade to Chicago was completed, the fans were so appreciative of all that he did for 11 years there. He got a standing ovation from the packed park on his way off the field, and was made to come out of the dugout for an encore wave goodbye.

For 11 years Youk played his heart out for Boston, was part of the the first 2 World Championships in almost a hundred years and the city loved him.

Less than 24 hours later, here come the former Harvard grad (I can't believe I am writing this) kicking dirt on the team. And then he tries to apologize by claiming not to know his "audience".

I hear he has his Chipper Jones insults ready for his visit to the Atl. today. Oh, not just to the Atl, but to the set of "42", the movie being filmed about Jackie Robinson. Think he will make any insulting remarks about Jackie to THAT crowd??

For this, Barack, Boston fans everywhere do bestow upon you the curse of the Bambino. May you never, ever win an election again.

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MLC & Blunder

Yeah, that's bad, but pales in comparison with proposing a toast to the Queen of England while their National Anthem was playing! Oh, and uttering the words "Hungarian Torture Camps", completely omitting Germany from the scene. Hey, that's what amateurs do.

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AHG-a few, very few

never "get it". Who would have ever thought a POTUS would be in that category.

Time to clean house. Meaning the White House.

Looks like if Mitt's wife, Ann, has her way, U. S. Sen. Kelly Ayotte from NH will be his VP.

http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?freewheel=90017&sitesection...

There is no more beautiful body of water in New England than Lake Winnepesaukee. Get used to that Indian name. Gonna be the summer White House for the next 4 years! In the video, I think Mitt's boathouse is bigger than many homes around here.

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Illegal immigration not always a crime

Official Code of Georgia Annotated

Title 16: Crimes and Offenses

Section 16-3-1. Minimum Age

A person shall not be considered or found guilty of a crime unless he has attained the age of 13 years at the time of the act, omission, or negligence constituting the crime.

Section 16-3-2. Mental capacity; insanity

A person shall not be found guilty of a crime if, at the time of the act, omission, or negligence constituting the crime, the person did not have mental capacity to distinguish between right and wrong in relation to such act, omission, or negligence. [This can also apply to young children.]

One source indicates the federal age is 11. Regardless, broad statements that illegal immigrants are all criminals should be viewed as legally erroneous.

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Uhhelpful Lawyer like the IRS gives wrong answer

"Federal law defines illegal entry as someone who “enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers” (8 U.S.C. §1325(a)). This includes crossing or attempting to cross the border on foot, by water or by hiding in an object passing through the border, such as the trunk of a vehicle. Aliens who are detained while attempting to enter the country illegally are subject to a fine of $50 to $250 for every individual attempt, or $100 to $500 for aliens with a previous record of attempting to enter illegally"

Federal Law trumps State Law or did you not hear that Supreme Court ruling the other day? There is no age limit for Federal Statutes.

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Here's your law SL

I don't know why but I looked at the actual law. It is crystal clear that after any of the children Obama is deferring action against files the paperwork that Obama is requiring, they may receive an administrative stay.

Besides this specific authority to stay prosecution under this section, paragraph 4 confirms the AG may grant a stay in any case.

(4) Nothing in this subsection may be construed to limit the authority of the Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General to grant a stay of removal or deportation in any case not described in this subsection.

The administration has the explicit right to issue an administrative stay of prosecution for any illegal immigrant if they so desire.

As I told you, there is no Constitutional question involved and Obama's action is perfectly legal.

Title 8> Chapter 12> SubChapter II> Part IV> Section 1227
(d) Administrative stay

(1) If the Secretary of Homeland Security determines that an application for nonimmigrant status under subparagraph (T) or (U) of section 1101(a)(15) of this title filed for an alien in the United States sets forth a prima facie case for approval, the Secretary may grant the alien an administrative stay of a final order of removal under section 1231(c)(2) of this title until—

(A) the application for nonimmigrant status under such subparagraph (T) or (U) is approved; or

(B) there is a final administrative denial of the application for such nonimmigrant status after the exhaustion of administrative appeals.

(2) The denial of a request for an administrative stay of removal under this subsection shall not preclude the alien from applying for a stay of removal, deferred action, or a continuance or abeyance of removal proceedings under any other provision of the immigration laws of the United States.
(3) During any period in which the administrative stay of removal is in effect, the alien shall not be removed.

(4) Nothing in this subsection may be construed to limit the authority of the Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General to grant a stay of removal or deportation in any case not described in this subsection.

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This is why voting is so important

We need to vote the numbskull Obama out of office in November. As AHG stated, there is a right way to do this, and a wrong way. Obama wants to be a dictator instead of a leader, so we need to vote the dictator out of office.

I also suggest purchasing a gun as soon as possible as well. Obama wants the UN to dictate what our gun laws will be in this country, and we will need our weapons in November in order to protect ourselves due to the riots that will ensue when Obama is tossed out of the White House.

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Jeff tell you what

have all 30 million file the paperwork with the Government... That will take us right past November and all this will be moot...

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So SL

Does the President have the right to defer deportations or not? Is it Constitutional or not?

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In my opinion NO

it violates the very spirit of the law. To have a sitting President offer blanket amnesty to non-citizens many of which have and are causing harm to American Citizens without the advise and consent of Congress is not what the law intended. What happens if say 60% fails to file the paperwork.. the ban on enforcement still stands so it's still a de-facto executive signing statement for blanket amnesty something clearly not intend for non-citizens.

You know why the "Dream Act" failed don't you Jeff? A Majority of the America public recoiled against it and we let our politicians know it.

Actually I am thankful for this.. You think it's shrewd politics I think it's another stumble.

Between this, the new tax, Fast and Furious and the Economy... Obama has been seen arranging deck chairs on the good ship Titanic.

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advise and consent of Congress

Now these are the operative words here. The Tea Party and Mitch McConnell made it quite clear in 2008 that they had no intention of working for the American people as long as Obama is president. They have almost achieved their goal, to the detriment of our credit rating and etc., etc., etc. AND YET WE RISE FROM THE PAST . . . .

Women, minorities, independent American citizens are paying close attention to what the Republican Party is going to offer to keep us moving forward - and not returning to the failed policies of decades. (Can Romney overcome OUTSOURCING?)

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Whining Illegal prevails

Erika Andiola spent hours Friday speaking to immigration officials to keep her own mother in the country. She prevented her deportation in the nick of time.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/12/us/immigration-activist-mother-detained/?h...

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Perfect! Hear that Americans? Next time you get pulled over for DWI or Speeding, do what the illegal Mexicans do! TALK YOUR WAY OUT OF IT in the nick of time!

Then you can IGNORE THE LAW AND GET AWAY WITH IT LIKE THE MEXICANS DO!

I never knew it was that easy! Why didnt I think of that!?

This is absolutely DISGUSTING. All Obama is accomplishing is forcing Americans and legal immigrants to despise all Mexicans and everything Mexico stands for by allowing them to SPIT IN OUR FACES AND LAUGH AT US and handcuffing us and preventing us from doing anything about it!

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Fathom the government hypocrisy

"I am asking President Obama and his Administration to stop separating families," Andiola said.

These families separated themselves. obama has brought on complete anarchy - no one has to obey the law anymore.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen.

Many of those who refuse, or are unable, to prove they are citizens will receive free insurance paid for by those who are forced to buy insurance because they are citizens.

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