President Obama has created 3.1 Million Jobs........sort of.

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One Politician speaking of then President Bush and his job creation said he was using "Fuzzy Math". The Politician was then Senator Obama.

There is an old saying that Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery so I guess President Obama has decided to stop blaming Bush and start imitating him.

The Administration has come out and said over and over that President Obama has created Green Jobs “the jobs of the future, jobs that pay well and can’t be outsourced.”

So how is it going? Well, quiet well actually. That is if you don't look to closely at the numbers and where they come from. Did you know that Garbage-men are now "Green Jobs"?
How about Oil Lobbyist, yep a Green Job too. Bus drivers yep a Green Job.

The Department of Labor in a bid to make the President look good for the upcoming election has decided to "re-classify" certain job descriptions. Now anyone that drives a Bus that uses CNG or anything other then gasoline is a Green Job. If you pump the gas into that bus it's a Green Job too... If you sweep the floors in a Solar Panel factory your job is a Green job.

So according to the new "re-classifications" Obama has created 3.1 Million Green Jobs in America, even though every single one of the "Green" Manufacturing faculties are closing one after the other.
Solyndria
Evergreen
Tesla
Fiska
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One after the other after the other... but yet according to the numbers President Obama has created/saved Millions of jobs. Why do people continue to trust anything that comes out of this Administration? They have shown us over and over that they will tell us anything that we want to hear.

The Ends justify the means. Pure Saul Alinsky.

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The private sector is doing....

just fine; according to the former community organizer. (eyes rolling)

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..and just 6 hours later he has changed his mind.

He now says the Private Sector is not doing fine.

"President Obama on Friday afternoon backed away from his earlier comments that the “private sector is doing fine,” telling reporters that he does not believe the economy is doing fine."

The Private Sector is doing fine.. urrrr..uhhh.. not so good

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Organizing/Cy

1. Get grass roots supporters
2. Raise a lot of money for communication purposes
3. Outspend your opponent
4. Create a conflict issue
5. WIN!!

This is what happened in Wisconsin. Saul Alinsky concepts at their best!! Congratulations!

If the community organizer has administered over a system where corporations are profiting - he is a terrible socialist!!! (According to some) (Eyes on the ceiling)

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DM - You could

You could be right, if Romney keeps this up HE could buy the presidency instead of the current president.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0607/Romney-raises-7...

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Vote!

Take back your leverage from the corporations and big money guys!! Regardless of who wins - the people will be in charge!

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LOL - DM

You are so....so....so....naive, is that why you believe in socialist ideals?

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Naive?

To believe in the power of the vote in a democracy? That is the problem today - too many people buy into the tricks and money and deception that has characterized our political system for too long. What do you believe in in order to obtain the freedom, liberty, and pursuit of happiness that you verbalize about? Do you believe that the power of the vote will NEVER achieve the type of leadership we deserve? We have had what we deserved in local, state, and federal government because of turning over our leverage to corrupt politicians and corporations. Will your lack of naivety keep you away from the voting booth? What are your ideals and how do you plan to practice them without voting? Buying a politician or investing in a corrupt corporation? Hmmm.

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Yes DM

Yes, as a matter of fact I do believe that most of the problems we have today are because too many buy into the tricks and deception.

Now, let me ask you something DM, why do you think democracy is the answer? Why do you think that the majority will solve all our problems, all we have to do is get more people to vote. Can't the majority get it wrong DM? For that matter, what makes someone that is elected suddenly more wise and more intelligent than his/her fellow citizens? You see DM, it's not the method by which we elect these people, it's the mission. What is the mission of the government? In your world it's to make sure everyone is equal, not that everyone should have an equal chance. By this I mean you confuse "equality" with "redistribution". For example, you have never denounced reparations because this fits in your world of "correcting" all past sins to "even" the score. No DM, it is you that are naive and wrong headed in your beliefs. You stand on the side of confiscation, theft and corruption of our ideals of individual freedom. You in fact stand on the side of corrupt politicians and corporations by supporting the idea of a more powerful government. Since you seem to write that you are against these groups, it proves that you are naive by supporting the very institution that perpetuates them.

If you want to get corrupt corporations and politician out of the formula, then get back to a place where the function of government is to protect us from government. Get back to protecting property. Get back to protecting the individual freedom to choose. Get back to a government that simply leaves us alone to live our lives the way we choose as long as we don't violate those same rights individually. Corporations like politicians are using the power of the government to enrich themselves by feeding you the lie that they can, given enough money, solve all of society's ills. The big lie.

Following the Reichstag fire of 1932, the German government was taken over by the Nazis based on majority rule, it unleashed the march into Poland in 1939 and WWII after repeated favorable votes by the majority. No DM, democracy doesn't get it right either, the only thing that is right is for us all to realize that individual freedom is precious and fleeting. That among the biggest threats to our freedom is government. That is the idea that has driven millions in this country to the battlefield, the ideal of individual freedom. Until the government's power and function are limited to protecting us and our freedoms, we are all imperiled.

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Can't the majority get it wrong DM?

Of course! They did for many years regarding women and minorities . And you have missed the entire message of Gandhi and MLK if you feel liberals believe everyone is equal! In these United States, under the current interpretation of the Constitution, everyone has an equal chance. There are those who are constantly trying to minimize that opportunity at an equal chance in order to protect what they feel is their earned superiority based on their race, sex, sexual preference and religion. There are many who have no problem allowing men and women regardless of race, sexual preference, religion to use their skills and hard work to achieve. You don't have to give me a history lesson on the wrongs done under majority rule. Members of my family are recorded as being in this country since before the Revolution. I couldn't vote in Fayetteville, GA until I was well over 21. I say this without a 'chip' on my shoulder - but with a sense of pride that my family and many other American families have realized that our system of government works when citizens adhere to it's principles rather than try to find ways to use it ( government) to achieve unilateral power or limit the power of others. We, American citizens, have the power to work together to solve our collective problems.
Our forefathers joined together to form this unique government to protect our individual rights and property. We have elected 'leaders' throughout history who have/ have not served us well. Working together does not mean we agree regarding all issues. . . but we work together. You have ascribed various labels to those who don't agree with your ideology. What you seem to have trouble with is Americans cherish the freedom to disagree and have lived together and grown together for 200 years under this form of government that you consider your enemy. We can write and march and demonstrate - but the leverage in a democracy is in the vote - and current political parties and aspiring leaders feel it can be bought. We prove them right when less than 50% participate in our democracy.

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And - DM

And DM, you miss my point. I don't think that this form of government is "the enemy", I think all government is the enemy of individual freedom. By its very nature Government accumulates power and power corrupts. I think you have noticed this but you don't have an answer on how to change it. Your answer appears to me to just encourage more people to vote using an already corrupted system.

News Flash!! Everyone has an equal chance DM, it's what they do with it that sets them apart. I didn't see a reaction to the notion that society somehow owes a "debt" to you and all African Americans for past sins. Is that because you believe that we do?

Finally, elected "leaders" don't feel that government power can be bought, they know it can. Why else would they use every conceivable method under the sun to raise ungodly amounts of money to get elected? Certainly you don't think that that money comes without strings attached to the next election do you?

As to "labels" if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it is highly likely that it is in fact a duck. You are in fact a socialist, progressive, democrat or whatever socialists are conveniently calling themselves these days. You DM, believe and encourage the use of government force against individual freedom. Or in your language, quack!

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DM..big money guys..

Oh, you must mean those that attended George Clooney's little dinner party that netted $15 million in one night. Well of course, I'll vote to negate that or as you say "take back my leverage".

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I hope more than 50% of eligible voters join us. . . .and those that we elect work together for the American people and not Mr. Norquist .

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No DM Alinsky tactics failed

that's why Walker won... btw-don't believe the hype from the LMS there was $67 Billion spent most by the Unions, Communist Party USA various Anarchist groups et, al.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS0Dqz2P1sk

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The credibility of the CS Monitor holds a little more water than Youtube. It's going to be an interesting five months!!

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You Tube is not the issue the story was

a lot of people forget what this was all about.... Apparently you are one of them...

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Youtube/Lindsey

What you shared was a well edited video to provide a slanted point of view with no mention of the money raised by Romney supporters. Right? Got it - and so did most people who read more then one source for their information. The constant attempt to belittle my opinion is a waste of your time. I respect your opinion when based on fact and will research my opinion further when you point out it is not based on fact. Your opinion of me personally is of no importance in this stage of my life - so don't waste your time. :-)

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DM take that HUGE chip off your shoulder

not trying to "belittle" you, but trying to give you, show you a different perspective other then the tried and true Media Matters/Huffington Post/SEIU spin machine.

You are full of "facts" at least as you see them but when someone offers up a different opinion or "facts" you go one of two ways...

Either KumBahYah or we are Racist.

DM why is it when we offer an alternative opinion to something you post inevitably we get the your trying to belittle me, pick on me, you're a racist etc...
But yet you do the exact same thing to our post and for the most I welcome it.
One cannot have a discussion talking with one self.

DM you will never change my opinion nor I yours. We are both mired fairly deeply in our concepts of America.

Mine is rooted deeply in the concept of Free Americans making decisions for themselves without interference of Government. Being able to live your life based on the Concepts of the Constitution.

Your's is based more on Government inclusion, collectivism and dependence.

Two very separate ideologies, if you will, and neither the two shall meet. My view scares the heck out of you and yours I believe is not only naive but dangerous.

So there we are DM. Don't get so offended DM when I post in opposition to yours. Not everyone is out to get you DM or slight you in some manner.
However DM remember if you slam someone and don't offer the respect you seem to demand for yourself don't be so surprised when it is not offered.

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Lindsey,Grizz, etc.

Have any of you read Saul Alinsky? From his writings 'Rules for Radicals'

Three things you can do if you don't like what's happening in the 'system'.
1. Go find a wailing wall and feel sorry for yourselves
2. Go psycho - and start bombing but this will only swing people to the right.
3. Learn a lesson. Go home, organize, build power, and at the next convention, you will be the delegates.

The Tea Party learned the lesson!

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Oh Yes DM as well as the Communist Manifesto

One must know the enemy's game plan to effectively counter it.

As far as Wisconsin goes this was inevitable, just like in California and everywhere where Public employees are allowed to Collectively bargain with themselves for greater pay and benefits taken from future taxes. It all works out as long as enough tax revenue continues to flow in to pay out for those benefits, but a recessionary step back and viola you have a State going bankrupt.

You guys created then played a Ponzi scheme on future earnings of the State and guess what you got yours at the cost of those coming behind you..

Enjoy your retirement.

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I got mine following the advice of honest investors. Jealous? I hope you are also enjoying the fruits of your labor. These are difficult times, but those who have benefitted from unscrupulous behavior are still benefitting because Americans are attacking others throats instead of working together. Except for a few here, many Americans see this, and will demand of whoever is elected in 2012 to work together for all Americans and not just those whose vote they bought. (Norquist, Koch Brothers, etc.). In these difficult times there should not be a left or right America - but one America working together to right a bad situation caused by many years of bad decisions based on greed (economy) , ignorance (failing public education) and intolerance. Our founding fathers had different ideologies, but they worked together to form a more perfect union that is admired throughout the world. I too continue to post to express a different point of view. My experience here in Georgia has proved to me and my family that change is possible in these United States. I will not give up on our government . It has not given up on me and mine. I'm most grateful to those we honored on Memorial Day who gave the ultimate in order to protect our form of government that today benefits all Americans.

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Oh I know this to be a fact DM
Davids mom wrote:

I will not give up on our government . It has not given up on me and mine.

As long as Government continues to pander to you and yours they will forever get your vote.

A truer statement you have never made.

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As long as Government continues to pander to you and yours they will forever get your vote.

Interesting comment from a non-racist Lindsey. All African Americans are 'pandered' to? Well, I hope that all Americans who want equal opportunity are pandered to by leaders who insure that laws and regulations are adhered to that insure that all citizens are treated equally. No wonder Kevin left this discussion. For your information members of my family were considered and documented as 'free' in the 1700's. There were 500,000 free Africans/Blacks in the US in 1860 that enjoyed full citizenship. After the Civil War - all Blacks were governed under the Jim Crow laws that lasted for years. Citizenship includes the responsibility of participation. Participation by serving the country in the military, contributing to the maintenance of the country, obeying the laws, etc, etc., etc. Are you advocating the overthrow of our government so that your ideology can be implemented? Members of my family and the family of many Americans have assumed their responsibility while not receiving the privileges of citizenship that others enjoyed. Today, all Americans can enjoy the freedom that assuming this responsibility brings. You act and possibly believe that only African Americans receive food stamps, etc. - I have stood behind many a 'white' American using the 'food stamp' credit card right here in Fayette County. Lindsey, there are Americans who 'misuse' the system - not all African Americans - not all 'white' Americans misuse the system. The 'fact' THERE ARE AMERICANS WHO MISUSE OUR GOVERNMENT. They are cheating all of us. It is not only 'black' Americans. I and mine will continue to believe in the freedom that this government offers - because we have not always enjoyed it down through the generations. We know how truly valuable it is. Democracy will get our vote. . .and the leadership that will continue to guarantee the freedoms that we have fought for - not an ideology that appears to be selective and elitist in who shall participate in the governing of our country. So we read, listen, and evaluate carefully who we vote for or against. It is not always based on 'color'. We didn't vote for Sharpton, Jackson, or Cain. . . . and you're right, we won't be voting for Romney. Building a house to include an elevator for your cars is just a little much. I know that GM was happy that Mrs. Romney has two Cadillacs - but some 'middle class' Americans have had to give up the second family car. We sit here in a small Georgia town, discussing issues of local and national importance. A black man is sitting in Washington working with Americans of all colors, religions, and sex - leading the free world and protecting us from our enemies. PTCO - that is reparation enough for me in 2012. He took advantage of his 'chance'. . . and we are experiencing what we have done with our 'chance' - right here in Georgia. Peace.

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In 2012 but not forever, right DM?

BTW, Mr. Obama is white, or should I say not black? Who are you to say that he is black? As President, he represents us all. I just don't like the way he represents us. I am not too happy with Mr. Romney either, so where does that leave me DM? But that's modern US democracy in action.

I assume the rest of your letter is addressed to Mr. Lindsey, does he really threaten the overthrow of the US government? Or through due process, just government as you know it?

Have a good day DM where ever you are.

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In 2012 but not forever, right DM?

Wrong. Reparation for the indignity of Jim C row - not slavery. Get it? I have never discussed a desire for a reparation for slavery - and the success of the Civil Rights movement is my reward/reparyment for the indignity of Jim C row practices. My upbringing does not endorse the action of revenge. When we adhere to the laws of the land - Americans will be fine. (I am an American)

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Mr. Obama is white, or should I say not black?

Now that testifies to your credibility. The President of the United States proudly states his race as African American. According to our practices regarding race identification - he qualifies for that nomenclature more than most blacks in this country. He represents us all - as a 'black' American whose 'white' mother raised him as a single parent to be the best that his abilities and skill would allow him to be. His (white) grandparents loved and nurtured him - and he was not raised with a fear or hate towards 'white' people. Again, WE are the government - and we have allowed our elected leaders to misrepresent us while times were 'good' (17% interest on investments). I will only address your mis-statements from now on. The 'discussion' is over.

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By definition, he is Mulatto

mu·lat·to  [muh-lat-oh] noun, plural mu·lat·toes, mu·lat·tos.
1. the offspring of one white parent and one black parent.

Jim Crow laws were implemented by Democrats, so go after their wallets if you want reparations.

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Mulatto

T he definition of this term as used in the United States has an interesting history.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/mixed/onedrop.html

History tells us that the Jim Crow laws were instituted in the south by DIxie-crats - who separated themselves from the Democratic Party in the 1960's. It is wise to know who you are talking to when using the term 'mulatto'. There are citizens who today consider it a derogatory description.

By definition, mu·lat·to  [muh-lat-oh] noun, plural mu·lat·toes, mu·lat·tos.
1. the offspring of one white parent and one black parent. Obama fits this discription. As noted in the article that I shared, the term is used in many different ways in the United States. In other countries such as France, England, Spain etc. a child with this heritage is considered French, British, or Spanish. The President of the United States is American.

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"History tells us that the Jim Crow laws were instituted in the south by DIxie-crats - who separated themselves from the Democratic Party in the 1960's."

Perhaps your history books were different than those I studied because Jim Crow laws were actually enacted prior to the turn of the twentieth century. Certainly, long before the term Dixie-crats of the 1950/60's, but then you seem entitled to your own facts.

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Your history is correct. My life experience - the Dixie-crats continued the practice of Jim Crow well past the turn of the 20th century. I suffered the indignity of these practices when visiting the south during my lifetime. In the '60's when integration became the law of the land - and segregation was being frowned upon as an American practice, the DIxie-crats (Democrats) left the political party of Lyndon Johnson. History and life experience - it's interesting how the wording of facts can be misleading. Jim Crow was the south's answer to the ending of Reconstruction after the Civil War. It may be taught differently in different sections of the country. I have learned that here in Georgia, it is very disconcerting to some to acknowledge that the south lost the Civil War. Not too many are still fighting this war - but sometimes it appears as if the battle is still going on. I'm learning that there are families in the south who have great pride in the history of the Confederacy and THEY ARE NOT RACIST IN 2012. Many African Americans are returning to their roots in the south - and enjoying the southern hospitality and southern culture of the home of their forefathers. Many northern 'blacks' are very grateful to the blacks and whites in the south who stayed and fought for the American 'way' of treating all humans with equality in these United States. I'm sometimes surprised that there are those who have trouble with this concept.

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You are again incorrect. The Dixie-crats were formed in 1948 and were short lived after the failed presidential run of then Democrat Strom Thurmond of South Carolina. Your assertion that Dixie-crats parted ways with Lyndon Johnson after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is incorrect as well. It so happened that the Republican Party is primarily responsible for that legislation passing the US Senate.

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Dixiecrat definition: noun a member of a party of Southern Democrats opposed to the civil rights platform of the Democratic Party in 1948...

Their platform was not short lived. From the 'Alabama' encyclopedia:

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The Dixiecrats were a political party organized in the summer of 1948 by conservative white southern Democrats committed to states' rights and the maintenance of segregation and opposed to federal intervention into race, and to a lesser degree, labor relations. The Dixiecrats, formally known as the States' Rights Democratic Party, were disturbed by their region's declining influence within the national Democratic Party. The Dixiecrats held their one and only convention in Birmingham.

http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1477

After Lyndon Johnson did what he did in the '60's, those who were disturbed by the regions declining influence within the national Democratic Party - eventually found a home in the Republican Party.

Just sharing another point of view. . . .actually.

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DM

Fact is, of all the segregationists, one individual whose party affiliation was always Democrat stated the following:
"In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever." George Wallace, during his inauguration as governor of Alabama.

There is a stark distinction between Democrats and Dixie-crats, but since you seem to associate segregation with the Republican Party, why is it that the Republicans are credited with the passage of the Civil Rights Act? Your logic/reasoning appears based upon false premises. Could it be that all those Democrats have been lying to you for years?

Is it not true that some 96% of black Americans voted for President Obama? I'll wager the percentage of white votes cast for Wallace back in the sixties was quite similar. You have associated those supporting the ilk of George Wallace as racist, are those who voted for Mr Obama racist as well?

What say you?

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Democrats Should Know Jim Crow, They Created Him

Mike King- you are correct - The Democrat Party is responsible for Jim Crow laws. They own it lock, stock, and barrel. DM continues to lie to herself about that fact try to pin it all on the Republican party so that she can feel better about herself.

Democrats Should Know Jim Crow, They Created Him

How did the same Jim Crow Democrats who fought tooth-and-nail with segregationists to keep blacks on a virtual plantation become the party that now wins 95% of the black vote? Republicans passed Civil Rights laws, Democrats wrote revisionist history.

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So do we refer to Obama as 'Mulatto-American'? I'm so confused.

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If he checks the racial indicators on American forms - he may check African American. It is his choice. This 'racial identification' fetish that consumes the American thought seems to make Americans chose one heritage and deny another. He could choose 'multi-racial' - but that would describe most Americans in todays American society. He is an AMERICAN whose physical appearance would be described as 'black'. He has been the first African American president. (Not the first President with 'black' blood. . . .but that's another issue) Our hope in this country is those young people who have married a person they love - with little or no regard to their racial identification. They will have beautiful American children who will respect and honor the heritage of both of their parents

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Respect and Honor

But wasn't it a sign of disrespect and racism when Obama referred to his grandmother (who raised him) as a "typical white person"?

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Respect and honor/exactly!

No. Respect and honor is noted in his telling of his love for her and his grandfather who raised him and encouraged him in all of his endeavors - and his expressed heartfelt feelings when she passed without knowing that he had become the President of the United States. Being raised by 'white' relatives who loved him, he knew their fears regarding those who were 'different'. Children of multi-racial families sometimes hear these things - but know it has little to do with the love that family members have towards them as individuals. He adored his grandmother just as you adore yours. You know that she loved, loves you unconditionally - even if you do have a terrifying mouth.

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Disrespect

I felt a certain level of disrespect for all white people when Obama referred to his grandmother as "typical".

If there was no disrespect intended by Obama, then shouldn't he define what he means by "typical"?

What if someone called you a "typical black person". Would you feel respected or feel a level of disrespect?

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No. I would feel that they had a stereotypical idea of what a 'black' person was like. Obama's grandmother was very much like my grandmother - she had a stereotypical idea of what 'white' people were like. In a segregated society where people really don't get to know many individuals of another race, these types of statements are made - with little intention of disrespect. I like jazz and blues. Someone may say - oh - that's typical of 'black' people. I don't feel they disrespect me as a person - but have stereotypical ideas about people that they don't know well. A disrespectful statement is a general derogatory statement about all persons of one race, sex, hair color, etc., etc., etc. IMO. If you read his book, you would see that he had great respect and love for his grandmother - and understood that she could hold generalizations about people that she had little contact with.

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Baloney, Davids Mom

Baloney, David's Mom. You would be howling "RACIST" from the mountain tops if any Republican candidate stated anything similar to that. You don't fool anyone.

Obama referred to all white people in that statement, and described them all as "typical". He pre-judged all whites as thinking about black people a certain way. His statement was prejudiced, racist, and filled with hate. But that is what we have come to expect from the man (Obama) who spent 20 years in a racist, hate-filled black liberation theology church. Obama is a racist and so is his wife who never felt proud of America until her husband was nominated.

You left out some other quotes from his book:

"I CEASED TO ADVERISE MY MOTHER'S RACE AT THE AGE OF12 OR 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites"

"I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE". (Sounds like you, Davids Mom)

"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."

Barack Hussein Obama is a divisive racist and is attempting to divide the country. November 2012 cannot come soon enough. He will be tossed out of office by the voters who care about rebuilding our country.

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Took this to the top.

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DM - that's

That's terrific you have finally renounced the whole concept of reparations. Now we're getting somewhere. I am beginning to think that there is some degree of hope for you after all.

As to Mr. Obama, the point I am making in my outlandish statement is it doesn't matter whether Mr. Obama is black or white. He was and is a truly American phenomeon and was elected as such. The only thing that matters is that he represents all Americans without prejudice for one race over another. Has he done this? Honestly, I believe he has. However with that said there are plenty of people out there that constantly push the great racial divide, you being one of them.

It is not the color of the man in the White House that I have a problem with, it is his philosophy. That would also be yours DM.

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Just repeating what you said DM
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I will not give up on our government . It has not given up on me and mine.

Me and Mine... You and Yours.. What's racist about that as you "suggest"?

DM as long as it's a "I got mine" screw you and everyone else the Government will continue to pander and take from the productive in Society to give to those that are willing to trade their vote and Freedoms for a hand out.

No, I don't want "NO" Government... Just the Republican form of Government that the Founders gave us restricted to the powers enumerated in the Constitution.

No more and no less.

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Please tell us what you feel was 'given' to mine that may have been 'taken' from yours. I will certainly apologize to you if I have attributed to you an incorrect 'racist' attitude based on YOUR words. I am celebrating the freedoms that my participation as a citizen in my country has been FINALLY ( after 200 years) been shared with mine (women and blacks). From your words, you seem to have a problem with this. The majority who are taking the 'hand out' that you seem to be referring to, according to statistics, are members of the 'white' American segment of our society. I agree that too large a percentage of the black segment are on 'welfare' - however in our current economy, this gap may change. Are you including all Americans in the I got mine/screw you scenario or just those who vote for Obama? The Republican form of government includes the participation of citizens in the election of leaders who follow the Constitution. PARTICIPATION OF CITIZENS. The voting process is an important part of the Republican form of government. The MAJORITY of our citizens are not participating!

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A republican form of government is a type of government in which the citizens of a country have an active role in the affairs of the government, and the government is not headed by a hereditary ruler such as a king. This definition leaves a lot of room for wiggle room, as you can see; many governments around the world are considered to be run along the lines of a republican form of government, ranging from dictatorships to representative democracies. Many people think that the republican form of government is a particularly strong and effective form of government.
This type of government takes its name and inspiration from the Roman Republic, which actually involved the input of only a very small number of citizens. Many people in the West idealize Greek and Roman culture, so it is perhaps not surprising that the republican form of government has become so popular. Fans of this form of government argue that when well run, a republic truly represents the will of its people, and it can be easily changed if citizens desire changes.

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DM again I was repeating your own words and again that makes

me a racist at least by your admittedly very liberal standards.

Your statement

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I will not give up on our government . It has not given up on me and mine.

Truly reveals a lot about you DM. I am sure the German people felt the same way you do. I mean those pesky Jews are trouble after-all so as long the Government supports me I will support them right?

DM just how far will you go to support that Government. If that Government that you support decide to say curb the First Amendment just a little bit would you be ok with that?
Would you say support the Government if they wanted you to tattle on your Neighbors if they speak out against the Policies of the Government?
Would you support the Government if they decided that as a War Veteran you were probably a Domestic Terrorist?
Would you support that Government if they decided to assassinate American Citizens?
Would you support that Government if you discovered that Government had a "Kill List"?
Would you support that Government if they decided to usurp the other branches of Government to further their own agenda?

Because this Government has done this and oh so much more.

But that's ok right as long as you say "me and mine" are taken care of right?

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You are the government. I am the government. We all have the responsibility of governing. If our representatives are not representing us - then we vote. That's what our Constitution says. Thank you for revealing how you really feel. I've read these feelings on many other websites. It's a wee bit beyond traditional American conservative thought. Peace.

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DM again a non-answer

sort of becoming the mantra here isn't?

DM just how far does the Government have to go to lose your support?

I am not trying to put you in a spot. I am truly curious as to your thoughts on this.

DM I am not the Government, I am an individual that wishes to live his life without Government interference...well at least as little as I can get away with. No I do not endorse Anarchy, that's the Occupy crowd. I do endorse restricting the powers of Government to that in which our Founders designed.

You are right I am not the typical Conservative. I actually believe in the Constitution, this is not new for me I have been saying this to you for years. You just didn't listen.

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DM just how far does the Government have to go to lose your support?

Ron Paul's son has many of your concerns (the Senator) - but has suggested valid solutions to his concerns through the use of law as found in the Constitution rather than withdrawing support from our government. You are a typical radical. I consider your contributions 'mantra' also.

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DM most Patriots are considered Radicals at first

depends on who wins... remember the Founding Fathers were considered radicals/traitors as well.

I don't and will not support a Corrupt Government NO MATTER WHAT THEY GIVE ME.

That pretty much sums me up.

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That's Racist!

Lindsey - Didn't you know that repeating exactly what DM states is racist?

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Alinsky?

David's Mom, exactly what "conflict issue" did Walker create?

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Gosh Grizz

Dense? Unions? (an issue in the desire for recall) The tactic of asking questions of someone you consider an opponent - you need to brush up on that skill.

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It was an issue

And people were tired of the incompetent teachers unions taking advantage of the taxpayer. Walker wouldn't of trounced the liberal opponent twice in a row if it wasn't a legitimate issue. You're not very bright, are you David's Mom. BTW - Obama is also going to get trounced in November.

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Then why ask the question if you already have the answer? Dense??? But keep asking them cutie - they are entertaining.

NOTE: You felt that McCain was a shoo-in. Remember?

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Because you stated the the situation was "created". That is why I asked the question. Is your skull that thick? Yes, the situation was created-
by the government sector labor unions. The people who pay the teacher salaries put a stop to the waste with their vote. The people got out and VOTED just like you are always saying they should, except the outcome was not to your liking, so you choose to try to belittle me for some unknown reason. Our Constitutional Republic is great, unless you're a democrat like yourself that believes in unlimited government power over Americans, class warfare, and income redistribution.

I never stated that McCain was a shoo-in. I wasn't even posting on this blog back then. Are you going senile?

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corporations profiting under Obummer?

The corporations that are profiting are doing so in spite of Obummer, not because of him.
When Boeing wanted to build a manufacturing plant in the carolinas because they were not unionized and labor was cheaper (thus maximizing "profits") Obummer sicced his Labor Dept. dogs on them and sued to force Boeing to build their plant in Seattle, which is heavily unionized and therfore more expensive, minimizing profits. As long as they were going to be american jobs, why would obama care where the factory was? He cares becasue he needs to pay back the unions that support him and doesnt give a flip about people or corporate profits. This is just one example of the "organizer" admiistering over corporate profits.

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renault314 - Only

Only partly correct, Mr. Obama does care about corporate profits but only those companies that line his political war chest. He's not really interested in "green" jobs, he's interested in paying off those that gave handsomely to his election. You can look at those that profited from his policies of the last four years insurance companies, banks and companies like GE.

All companies are gathering historic amounts of cash on their balance sheets, what will the cash be used for depends on who wins the election and what government policies are put in place. It will be the Congress that decides this, not the president but having a president that drives a specific agenda will fuel where the investment goes. In the case of Mr. Obama, it will go off shore. In the case of Mr. Romney who knows, but it will be to some corporate sponsor's benefit, you can count on that.

As the political process stands today, it is unsustainable. The states owe over $1 trillion on unfunded pension plans alone(yes DM, that includes California). Unfunded federal and state mandates exceed $84 trillion. We are nearly $16 trillion in debt as a nation. Our power in the world is proportional to our wealth. And we are worried about who's the next president, it's pathetically laughable.

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The Present Government Conudrum

Create more dependents in order to create larger government to create more dependents,..... this will not end well.

Democracy= 2 Wolves and a Lamb deciding on Dinner!

Restore our Constitutional Republic!

Senators Represent the States! -GP

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GP - Not

"Senators Represent the States!"

Not since the 17th Amendment. The majority now elects the Senators.

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Sorry

I did not make myself clear, I know the 17th changed it.
What I meant was that Senators should represent the states now.
http://repealthe17thamendment.blogspot.com/ GP

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GP - Totally

agree with this position. Do you dare think the country could ever return to the earlier position of having the state legislatures elect the senators? Don't think so.

You know one of the reasons the progressives rationalized the 17th amendment's passage was that state legislatures would take a year or more to fill a senatorial seat. Well of course this held up the process of making laws and we just couldn't have that! They just couldn't get those re-distributive laws passed fast enough. As if having a government do nothing was a bad thing! LOL

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Either KumBahYah or we are Racist

Our enemies would have us ignore our successes - and continue to divide us regarding those areas where we need to come together. I'm a northerner who celebrates the progress of race relations in the south. My contact with 'racists' has not been in person here in Fayette County - but sometimes on this site. Peace. ( By the way - because of constant monitoring and regulations - the Calstrs pension plan has been governed by wise investors - check it out if you are interested. After over 38 years of service, I'm still quite comfortable after over 10 years of retirement. Thank you Calstrs investors. Blame the deficit on the pensions of the middle class? (Teachers, firemen, policemen) That's interesting. . .but not worth arguing. Glad I didn't work for Enron. The next five months will bring a lot of FACTS to the forefront. . . .and the next president will have to deal with the elements of the recovery as it continues. You may find it interesting to read Condoleezza Rice's book - No Higher Honor: A Memoir of My Years in Washington.

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Is this your basis for the Republican Party being credited with the passage of the Civil Rights Act?

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On September 9, 1957, President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed into law the Civil Rights Act of 1957. Originally proposed by Attorney General Herbert Brownell, the Act marked the first occasion since Reconstruction that the federal government undertook significant legislative action to protect civil rights. Although influential southern congressman whittled down the bill's initial scope, it still included a number of important provisions for the protection of voting rights. It established the Civil Rights Division in the Justice Department, and empowered federal officials to prosecute individuals that conspired to deny or abridge another citizen?s right to vote. Moreover, it also created a six-member U.S. Civil Rights Commission charged with investigating allegations of voter infringement. But, perhaps most importantly, the Civil Rights Act of 1957 signaled a growing federal commitment to the cause of civil rights.

History acknowledges Eisenhower as a great Republican President. . .but southern legislators who identified themselves as Democrats at the time, did not exactly support his efforts.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964:

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The bill passed the House of Representatives in mid-February 1964, but became mired in the Senate due to a filibuster by southern senators that lasted 75 days. When the bill finally passed the Senate, King hailed it as one that would ‘‘bring practical relief to the Negro in the South, and will give the Negro in the North a psychological boost that he sorely needs’’ (King, 19 June 1964). On 2 July 1964, Johnson signed the new Civil Rights Act of 1964 into law with King and other civil rights leaders present. The law’s provisions created the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission to address race and sex discrimination in employment and a Community Relations Service to help local communities solve racial disputes; authorized federal intervention to ensure the desegregation of schools, parks, swimming pools, and other public facilities; and restricted the use of literacy tests as a requirement for voter registration

This was the beginning of the end to the implementation of Jim Crow laws in the south. . . .and the beginning of the states rights Democrats of the south leaving the Democrat Party and joining the Republican Party who promoted the cause of 'states rights'. In order to understand history - and you weren't there to witness it, one must go to several sources for information.

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If you look for hate - you will find it. It is a destroying factor that hurts the heart. People have fears of those who are unknown/different - and most people who are honest acknowledge their fear and possible feeling of hate of those who have harmed them and/or their forefathers. I have been honest in acknowledging feelings of racism in my own heart. I have also been honest and happy to acknowledge that I have lived long enough to see change in my fellow Americans and most importantly for me, in my own heart. Look around confused bear - there are people who do not hate in the county that you live in in Georgia. I would imagine that there are people all over our country today who do not 'hate'. Race relations has been a problematic issue in this country - and the election of leaders of different backgrounds has helped us to demonstrate what the words of our Constitution declare. Obama and others are honest Americans. You are an honest American in that you acknowledge that you cannot get over your hate and fear of the American black man. We are aware of you and yours. Thank you for revealing yourself. You see - racists still exist in this country and their feelings of hate prevail in their hearts. They are in the minority. Most others under 60 celebrate our 'oneness' as Americans - especially those who have served together in the military defending our Constitution and our way of life. What has divided our country are two divergent ideologies regarding the solving of our economic situation and the inability of our leaders to come together to solve this problem. The color of our president has magnified a social issue that we thought (hoped) had been solved. Peace

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You make your own assumptions

None of them are true. I'm just reading the text of the words written by President Obama. His words and actions by both himself and the DOJ prove that they are racists. They certainly don't do a very good job of hiding it.

You can think all of the ill you want toward this pick-up driving white man that you fear. I don't care.

What I do care deeply about is getting our country back on solid footing, and that involves insuring that everyone is well aware of the darkness that lurks in the heart of Obama, and that he truly is a racist and does not have the best interests of our country or Americans in mind.

When you get pinned by FACTS, you always seem to attack the messenger. You follow the Alinsky model well.

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DM attacks the messenger

Typical DM modus operandi

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DM you twist everything into race

out of one side of your mouth you spew we need to all get along...yet your real message, and hope, is to stir up hate. You try to stir up racial hatred at every opportunity. You keep hoping that it will get you some pity. It won't.

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suggarfoot, grizz,Lindsey,major mike

Stirring up hate? Nope. Just allowing the haters to identify themselves. Americans do disagree based on facts. That's the American way. Many here have expressed their reasons for their beliefs in reasoned and respectful discussion. A few have regurgitated concepts found on websites that spew hate and divisiveness. The 'net' is open to all - and radical sites (left and right) are available for all to research and compare. When one can see no good in the progress in race relations in the United States and constantly tries to divide Americans by their posting of concepts found on radical sites - well - that's not far from 'hate'. Certain political leaders made it quite clear in January 2008 that their purpose was to make sure Obama was a failure. Some felt this would be easy since he was a 'black' man and brought outright racism to the fore. The sad part of this goal is that the 'middle class' has suffered for the inaction of this Congress (Democrat and Republican) This inaction of this Congress is not all based on racist strategies, but also an allegiance to an individual (Mr. Norquist) rather than to the American people. History will not be kind to the Congress of 2008-2012. (nor to the generation who could not let go of racist fears) I still congratulate the majority of citizens in Fayetteville - after almost 9 years - it has been a joy living in a town of the 'New South'!

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I posted Obama's hateful, racist statements. Obama is the radical. Obama is dividing our country. You can't blame his racism and radical, fascist failing agenda and failure in leadership of America on a bunch of bloggers in Fayette county that didn't even vote for him.

Obama is supposed to be a leader. He has chosen to rule, lie, and try to divide the country instead of working with both parties. The democrat party had full control of congress for 2 years, they couldn't get the job done and now they want to blame the Republicans that they refused to listen to or work with. They are nothing but a bunch of whining cry-babies.

America is tired of Obama's nonsense and will vote him out of office in November.

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"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."

There may be some 'black' people who don't feel this way. I have one son who does not feel this way - and another one who does. Racism in America affects individuals differently - but if exposed to it - there is an affect. Obama and others have used words to share their feelings regarding this issue. (Mark Twain, James Baldwin, J.Sanders Redding, Edward Ball, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, Strom Thurmund, George Wallace, Nixon, Ronald Reagan, the Kennedy's, Jimmy Carter, Lyndon Johnson, etc., etc., etc. Not all of the above authors are 'haters'.

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There may be some 'black' people who don't feel this way.

But Barack Hussein Obama does feel that way and he is now trying to get re-elected. His racism and hatred is evident in his actions, his writing, and his membership in a hate-filled racist church for 20 years.

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and his membership in a hate-filled racist church for 20 years.

The United Church of Christ - which has an integrated congregation right here in Fayetteville - is not a hate-filled racist church. Those who look for hate can twist words to suit their own agenda. There are pastors throughout our country who speak words of hate towards certain groups and have been featured in news reports. They are not all black. You are free to express your opinion - I have expressed mine as has the candidate for president from the Republican Party. The 'haters' are just going to encourage people to look to see if Romney can continue to separate himself from this fringe of the American politic. There are so many other issues in this election than racism - the economy, our foreign policy, the support for our military - that are issues that Americans are genuinely concerned about.

RACE RELATIONS HAS IMPROVED IN THE UNITED STATES. RACIST THOUGHT STILL EXISTS IN THE UNITED STATES. I will continue to celebrate the first statement and work to improve the second. Peace.

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