Obama can't even get a budget passed

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What a miserable, pathetic, weak excuse for leadership. Prepuce Obama can't even get a budget passed. He is nothing but a miserable failure. Thank goodness the American people are waking up from the stuper of the meaningless promise of "hope and change" and will vote this miserable miscreant out of office in November.

Obama budget defeated 99-0 in Senate

President Obama's budget suffered a second embarrassing defeat Wednesday, when senators voted 99-0 to reject it. Coupled with the House's rejection in March, 414-0, that means Mr. Obama's budget has failed to win a single vote in support this year.

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Disrespect the current President....

and you'll go to jail.....at least according to this high school teacher.

http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=104668...

What a bunch of____________ (you fill in the blank)

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Cycelist - There

There are a whole bunch of people that, if they could, would stifle dissent and discussion about a lot of things. These people have leftist views. Why? Because the philosophy of the left is based on the idea of what you have is ours and we're going to take it, aka theft. How do you "take" something without power and force?

Here's just a small example of what I am talking about.

The current edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) list Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) under “disorders usually first diagnosed infancy, childhood, or adolescence.” According to the manual,

The essential feature of Oppositional Defiant Disorder is a recurrent pattern of negativistic, defiant, disobedient, and hostile behavior toward authority figures that persist for at least six months. It is characterized by the frequent occurrence of at least four of the following behaviors: losing temper, arguing with adults, actively defying or refusing to comply with the requests or rules of adults, deliberately doing things that will annoy other people, blaming others for his or her own mistakes or misbehavior, being touchy or easily annoyed by others, being angry and resentful, or being spiteful and vindictive.

Now what do you want to bet, if this teacher and the school administration had known about ODD, they would have taken that kid to a hospital right away, given him some good old shock treatment, along with some drugs and he would be compliant as a cat's meow. No more disrespect from that kid about Mr. Obama!

A couple of weeks ago, DM called me insane, well there are a lot of people that would just love to make my "condition" insanity, just to shut me up.

All of those people reside on the left. Those are the people in power, keep that in mind before you post anything. ;-)

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Just remember PTC Observer...

if a liberal can't win their point they just keep turning the volume up.

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Cyclist - You

are unfortunately correct about this, but eventually the truth of their philosophy gets in their way, then it gets really nasty. When they can't defend their position because is is counter to Natural Law, they revert to force not volume.

Your example here is just one small, very small, example of power suppressing thought and discourse. Something the left just loves to do.

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How do you "take" something without power and force?

By the use of 'Jim Crow' laws and the lie that the color of ones skin depicts superiority or inferiority. The characteristics of ODD that you listed in your post are the characteristics of a typical two year old and some adults resisting progress in race relations. Freedom of speech has protected those who are disrespectful of the POTUS since the beginning of our history as a country. PTCO, what property and rights are The Federalist Society and you talking about? What rights would be restored to you? Would these restored rights take away some rights of other Americans? As for Obama's budget, McConnell made it quite clear, the goal of certain members of Congress for the past three years is to unseat Obama. In the meantime, we've lost our credit rating and this Congress has accomplished nothing!. In spite of this, and the global economic situation, we're ahead economically of where we were in 2007; we caught the man responsible for the loss of over 3000 lives on American soil on 9/11; the bleak employment situation is improving; we've recovered from devastating oil spills; we're on the road to bringing our brave men and women home from war. There will be many other accomplishments referred to during this LONG election campaign. The Republican candidates for president have given the Democrats a long list of reasons why Romney shouldn't be elected.
These reasons are being studied carefully. I applaud Gov. Romney from disassociating himself from those who would use tired negative campaigning techniques that didn't work in the previous presidential election.

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Your ineffectual attempt to somehow tie the “Jim Crow” laws with my philosophy, is dishonest and without any merit. The “Jim Crow” laws are the outgrowth of a positivist philosophy and contrary to Natural Law, and predicated on the ideal of “majority rules”. This is totally abhorrent to the philosophy of individual liberty. Government has failed miserably in protecting individual freedom time and time again throughout history. Yet, despite this, you have consistently fallen back on the very institution that enslaved and discriminated against you and your ancestors. That institution is the State and its power over you and your life. It was the state that segregated the South, not the individual; it was the majority that segregated the South, not the individual. It was Law, that did this and it was democracy of the majority that created the Law. There were many if not most of the people in the South that were against segregation and saw it for what it was, and infringement of individual rights. I am not, nor have I ever been, hoping for a return to “Jim Crow” or anything that would infringe on the freedom of the individual. I am and will always be wary of the power of the state to control our lives and infringe on our freedoms. I hope this clears up the matter and eases you mind about it.

Your real issue DM, is with the idea under the philosophy of liberty that the government must be significantly downsized. Reducing the size and scope of government reduces its power, minimizes its power to redistribute its citizens’ wealth and eliminates nonsensical make work jobs. This is your real issue and nothing else. You use the idea of a racial divide to justify the government’s role in our lives, when as I have pointed out, it is the government that has proven it will enslave us. It is you and people with your political persuasion that use the power of the government as a tool of plunder.

The rest of your missive was a political ad for Mr. Obama, which means nothing to me.

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PTCO, what property and rights are The Federalist Society and you talking about? What rights would be restored to you? Would these restored rights take away some rights of other Americans?

If you could answer these questions, I may have a different view of your 'natural law' argument. 'Individualism, personal choice rights, etc., etc., were used a lot in defending Jim Crow. Slavery - the right to enslave others? Touted as an evasion of 'property rights'. .

My 'real issue' is not allowing a return to the idea of 'individualism' which would deny me of hard earned rights as a citizen of this country. Looking forward to your answers

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DM - A not so short answer

First, let me say that I have no illusions about convincing you or many others that read these pages that individualism and individual freedom is the way to conduct society. Many people are well invested in the current corrupted system and will not give it up willingly. “Power after all corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”.

The Philosophy of Liberty is the foundational philosophy of the country. A philosophy and history that is not taught in public government schools because it threatens the existence of the corrupted institution it serves.

As I have said in numerous posts, property is the outgrowth of our life and our freedom to choose, property is as much a part of our life as breathing. Therefore, a primary purpose of government is to protect property, just like it must defend life and freedom. This is the social contract that was formed when the Constitution was ratified by the states, this and nothing more.

No one especially the government has the right to deprive us of our property through force.

Now let me answer your question about property rights. Theft of property by the State is organized using the tool of taxation using majority rule. The majority as a group has no more right to take our property by force than a robber on the street. The founders knew that direct taxation would lead to uncontrolled national debt and enslavement by an all powerful central government. They knew that unbridled taxes would create this Leviathan. The Constitution was constructed to guard us from this threat to our liberty and property.

Article I Section 2 Paragraph 3:
“…direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several states…according to their respective Numbers…”

Article I Section 8 Paragraph 1:
“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Article I Section 9 Paragraph 4:
“No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein directed to be taken.”

And then DM, the socialists during the progressive era were able to amend the Constitution, this is a long history in itself and I will not go into it here.

The 16th Amendment

“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”

The rest is history because the socialists took over the government and socialist principles became the "norm". What rights do I want returned to me and all other citizens of this great land? It is the right not to be encroached upon by the government, it is a return to a limited government, it is our rights of life, liberty and property that I want returned. I want a government that protects our rights, not infringes them.

Since about 1917, we have suffered through "government managed markets” and the socialists have failed, they always fail because individuals making decisions on their own is more powerful than the Utopian “vision”. The end game then, is to completely suppress individual freedom because in the socialist view the masses are incapable of making “correct” decisions. All of this power is created through a tax system that is both immoral and destructive to freedom. We as citizens need to understand that the more power we give the government the less freedom we will have to lead our lives as we wish. We are told by the government what to eat, what house we can live in, what car we can drive, even what light bulb we can buy. I can go on and on and have in previous posts.

It won't be long before simply writing words like these will get you thrown in jail, it's only a matter of time. We need a return to individual freedom, but what we are more likely to get is more government oversight of our lives. That's because we continue to spend, and spend, and spend on more government.

I will say this again, it was not individualism that restricted freedom in the past, segregation was created and enforced by majority rule government.

I hope this in some way answers your questions. I don't speak for The Federalist Society, they can speak for themselves.

All: For more on the Philosophy of Liberty watch the video in the language of your choice at:

http://www.isil.org/resources/philosophy-of-liberty-index.html

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PTC-OB for an insightful lesson in Liberty!

I find it a little ironic that Ken Schoolland is a Professor of Economics and Political Science at Hawaii Pacific University, the childhood home of Barrack Obama. A simple yet powerful video, thanks for the link.

I wish I could be more optimistic but I feel there is no easy way out of the situation our country is in. Passing on the truth and vision of Liberty and Freedom that our founders had to future generations with hope that this great country may be restored someday is all that I can find promise in.

May God Bless America and restore our Land. -GP

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Excellent short treatise PTCO

However, sorry to say, it will be totally lost on those that depend on and believe in Government as there sole source of either income or direction.

Government has become the family. Look at the short story The Life of Julia put out by the Obama organization as a good example of this. This short story done almost as a cartoon to lure the youngest among us shows this child birthed by the help of Government, schooled by the help of Government, employed by the help of Government, start a family by the help of Government(note without a husband) and then retire by the help of Government.

Government has become the family.

Liberty rejects that family philosophy and individual liberty rejects being responsible to that family. In many Cultures you have no individual liberty. Your life is controlled by either a Matriarch or Patriarch, marriages arranged, and basically have no choice of how your life is to be lived.

We see Government today telling us how much of this or that we can have or eat or what we can purchase.
Sometimes very overt sometimes very covert by manipulating the tax codes and/or through regulations and finally using the force of the gun of Government.

Most don't see this as a problem. They see Government as a grantor of Rights and not a guarantor of rights.

One must always remember, however, what Government/Man gives it can also take away.

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SLindsey & The Life of Julia

That disgusting piece of imaginary life should be retitled "A Liberal's Love Story".

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A good insight into the Socialist mindset of the Progressive

Liberal Democrat AHG.

They are the true believers, the acolytes of Government.
We have three ideology's in America now two very similar but with a different brand the other diametrically opposed to either of the other two..

One that believes Government is the sole source of leadership, the arbiter of rights and wrongs and fairness by re-distributive measures.

The other that believes Government should be in all aspects of your life with marginal input from the people, businesses under the purview if not control of those that "know" better.

Then lastly those of us that believe Government should be restrained at all cost and limited to the original 18 Enumerated powers unless a Article V Convention is held to give the "People" a voice on powers given the Government.

Unfortunately the first two ideologies are both manifested in the two political parties we have so the elections of one side or the other doesn't really matter. One believes it should be done like a dragster off the line... the other believes it should be a slow Sunday drive. Both are headed to the same destination it's just the speed of it that changes.

Fortunately the last ideology is gaining ground in America. We see that illustrated in the Teaparty, however I believe it is too late. History is a bit*h. It is there for us to learn what we did so that we can either repeat the successes or avoid the failures.
But when we ignore History all together we neither share in the successes nor avoid the failures and History does indeed repeat itself.

There is a definition for the word insanity that fits what we and our Government is doing today...

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Apparently this was quoted from a very intelligent fellow.. Albert Einstein.

The mini-depression of the 1920's should be a case study of what Government SHOULD do when economies contract and the "Great" depression of the 1930's should be a case study of what Governments SHOULD NOT do when economies contract.

Did we learn this lesson. Well no we did not.. We have spent/wasted $9 Trillion dollars of the last 12 years... $4 Trillion under 8 years of Bush and $5 Trillion under 3.5 years of Obama and for what? The Economy is still stagnated, real unemployment is over 9% and personal wealth has been destroyed.

We have not learned the lessons of History. Events, however, is going to give us a hard lesson. A lesson we should have already learned and at one time we did.

We just keep forgetting.

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And then DM, the socialists during the progressive era were able to amend the Constitution, this is a long history in itself and I will not go into it here.The 16th Amendment:“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”

The 16th Amendment became law in 1913 during the administration of Woodrow Wilson. Following his administration we had the leadership of Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover. History tells us where that leadership led us.After Hoover, there was very little ‘income’ to be taxed, and the US was in dire economic straits.
If the Libertarian point of view – and anti-socialist movement was truly supported by the majority of citizens in these United States, our Constitution gave/gives them the LEVERAGE to change their representatives of this ‘corrupt’ government through their VOTE. People throughout the world are turning to a government of the people, by the people, for the people by standing in line for days to VOTE. Americans are sadly lethargic about this priviliege that we take for granted – and although your words and examples may resound with some – they are not enough to make people give up on the government operation that we have today. Even the corruption that has been uncovered and presented to the public does not move the people of the United States to utilize the leverage that they have been given. (I sometimes wonder if our ‘politics’ prevent a truly honorable and honest man/woman to even seek elected office locally, statewide, or nationally) Your point of view, as well as mine makes no difference if citizens do not vote for men and women who will represent them in the halls of ‘government’ rather than corporate America and special interests.

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Since about 1917, we have suffered through "government managed markets” and the socialists have failed, they always fail because individuals making decisions on their own is more powerful than the Utopian “vision”.

The American people have failed because they did not exercise their right to make decisions by electing representatives who were not beholden to special interests.

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The end game then, is to completely suppress individual freedom because in the socialist view the masses are incapable of making “correct” decisions. With a voting record in most elections of usually less than 50% of the eligible voters voting, it is not the government that is suppressing the individual freedom. All of this power is created through a tax system that is both immoral and destructive to freedom.

It’s been convenient to make the ‘socialist point of view’ AND /OR the tax system the boogie man, when in reality, you have identified the culprit. You have identified the enemy – and the enemy is US! usually less than 50% of the eligible voters voting,

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segregation was created and enforced by majority rule government.

And the end to segregation, the inclusion of women in voting, etc., etc., etc., was enforced by a majority rule govenment. An educated 'mass' is quite capable of making decisions. The 'socialists' are not attempting to devalue public education - an aspect of American culture that produced our #1 standing in the world - and the attempt of some citizens/leaders to devalue/ eradicate public education has us far below ALL other countries in the world! Both presidential candidates are stating that education is one of their primary focus in leading our country back to greatness. (Hopefuly a challenging education that requires more than memorization of facts - but a questioning and discussion of ideas) Many of us in my generation had the opportunity to discuss the actual writings of our great leaders; debate their ideas regarding freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness - and compare their ideas to the reality of the 50's and 60's. We need to have teachers in our schools today who are capable of doing this - and not rely on videos that don't begin to touch on the arguments that were used by the founders of our country. The language of the early Americans is not that difficult to understand.

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We as citizens need to understand that the more power we give the government the less freedom we will have to lead our lives as we wish. We are told by the government what to eat, what house we can live in, what car we can drive, even what light bulb we can buy. I can go on and on and have in previous posts

Really? I am told what may be injurious to my health (poor eating habits), but I still have the choice of what I put in my body. Since housing restrictive covenants were deemed illegal, only my income dictates what house I can live in. I'm not aware of any government edict that restricts me from buying the car that I want or light bulb that I can use in my house. Yes, there are restrictions on some products due to safety and health issues. As a grandmother, I'm glad that there are restrictions on toys that may prove injurious to my grands.

There are many who agree with your point of view and many who agree with mine (not necessarily in this forum) - but I feel that it is important to see more than one point of view in any discussion.

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DM - Answers

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PTCO is not insane

Nah, you aren't insane. You're just a somewhat jaded, been there, seen it, crusty old right-wing curmudgeon.

You couldn't sling a cat in a crowded room around here without hitting one of y'all.

God bless our troops. I'm humbled contemplating what they gave me.

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JeffC - Pray

God bless our fallen warriors may the grief of their loved ones be lessened ever so slightly by this day of remembrance for their ultimate sacrifice in the name of freedom.

Let us all pray that their lives will not have been given in vain fighting the forces of evil that would enslave us.

We beseech you O'Lord, that through their bravery the eyes of the naive and selfish will be opened.

Keep our fallen safe and waiting for us in the palm of Your hand O'Lord.

Amen
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