Tyrone takes gun safety seriously!

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Tyronian
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Tyrone commissioners and council agree, with very little opposition, that a Firearm Safety School, with an indoor practice range, will serve the community and their police officers well. The South Atlanta Gun Club will provide handgun owners a safe place to learn proper handling, operation, and storage of their fire arms. This $1.5M facility will have state of the art sound absorption and ballistic capturing (the lead bullet is encapsulated in a rubber substance, it doesn’t hit the wall and break up, releasing harmful particulates into the air), not to mention one of the safest shooting ranges ever built. It will be constructed of solid concrete walls lined with steel plating and thick ballistic rubber. Other shooting ranges in Georgia are typically existing buildings that are “converted” into gun ranges, to save money. Not in this case, it has been professionally designed from the ground up.

Working in this facility will be experienced gun smiths, certified instructors, and ex-military personnel to provide education and safe shooting techniques for men, woman and children. The Owner, Rusty Morris, who previously worked for the Sherriff’s Department, has many years of experience with gun ranges. One in particular, the Wolf Creek Shooting Complex, where the 1996 Olympic shooting competition was held. That’s right, shooting is an Olympic event! Now, over 14 months into the project, Mr. Morris assures his attention to detail as he builds this incredible facility, over and above the minimum standards and guidelines set forth by the ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms), along with local police Chief, Brandon Perkins, who has offered security measures that will help eliminate any possibility of a break-in.

But not everybody is happy about this. Losing council applicant, Pota Couston and neighbor Beverly Clopton made accusations that a gun range is unsafe, yet they never participated in one. With no data to support their claim, and with very little support on their behalf, their claims fell on deaf ears. The River Oaks Subdivision, where the two reside, is 4.6 miles from the commercial property where the range is to be built.

Local home owners from the Southampton subdivision, 400 feet from this commercial district, showed mixed emotion during the council’s vote. The council meeting on March 1st was to vote on adding guidelines to the already C-2 zoning description, which gun shops and indoor ranges have already been approved for. Several residents’ thought it was a good idea, most of the residents’ didn’t care either way, but a small group lined up and repeatedly voiced their concerns on two issues, noise and safety. But again, no statistics or documentation was presented to support their claim. Nevertheless, after investigating the issue, it was found that noise measurements were recorded at the property, prior to the meetings, that revealed normal traffic noise from the highway (Hwy 74) is louder than noise measured outside of an existing indoor shooting range in Fayetteville, which is an older building converted into a range. Since noise was proven not to be a factor, the only issue left was safety. A bullet from any handgun cannot penetrate a solid concrete wall and leave the building, even if one would try to do so, so it is still unclear what their safety concern actually was. The ambiguous statement of, “It’s just unsafe,” didn’t seem to get much attention. You can view the meeting on You Tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOOFVnTijlU

Many of the home owners in the Southampton subdivision admit there is a problem with morality in their neighborhood. There are reports of gun shots, armed robbery, domestic violence, and even a case of child molestation. Police reports confirm these cases are true and actual. Maybe if everybody was trained to protect themselves and their family, some of this violence could have been avoided? Maybe if word gets out that the city of Tyrone is trained and ready to protect itself, the bad guys will think twice before entering our neighborhoods? Other cities with shooting ranges and gun shops reported that crime was reduced. Do your homework. Be safe out there. And don’t forget to pick up your brass!

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Tyronian, You should verify

Tyronian, You should verify your information before you post it.

First of all the majority of Southampton residents do oppose the location fo the gun range and many expressed that view point during the Council meeting.
2nd, I know first hand that Pota Coston is a retired IRS Law Enforcement Officer and Executive who carried a weapon for 29 years, served warrants and packs a weapon. Although I never saw her at a gun range it's likely that she made an appearance at a gun range periodically.
I have done my home work and your information is incorrect. Many gun shops and ranges in the metro area have contributed to violence by selling weapons that were involved in crimes in the state and nationwide.
Where do you live? How about a gun range in your backyard to futher deter crime.

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So it's the guns fault...
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Many gun shops and ranges in the metro area have contributed to violence by selling weapons that were involved in crimes in the state and nationwide.

Do you have any evidence any of these weapons were sold illegally?

Do you have any stats as to percentages of legal guns sold used in crimes verses guns purchased illegally?

DO you have the total number of people residing near the proposed site and do you have a petition verifying your claim that "most" oppose the proposed business?

No?

Then who is really not doing their research sir?

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Lindsey don't bother asking for supporting data

I too have asked lrichardson for supporting data for similar claims made in another article. I received no response. So I tried to do some research of my own. I found this through a google search.

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Do you have any evidence any of these weapons were sold illegally?

About 1% of gun stores have been charged with selling guns illegally.

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Do you have any stats as to percentages of legal guns sold used in crimes verses guns purchased illegally?

Criminals most often obtain guns by theft or straw purchases. A straw purchase is when a person that is legally allowed to purchase does so for another person.

I can find nothing that indicates that a gun store will increase crime in it's given area. But I can find a lot that indicates that more guns in a given location tends to decrease crime. I tend to think that would mean a gun store would also reduce crime as criminals would think that it is more likely that people in the vicinity of a gun store would be armed.

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Well said, G35. Not much information out there. You basically have to call the local police force and ask if crime increased or decreased in the area when the gun shop moved to town. That's exactly what we did. And the response typically was, as you said, positive for the gun shop. I've also ran across a few stories of gun shops moving because of the area... Yes, the area had too much crime, so they moved. Quite the defensive position, wouldn't you say?

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RICHARDSON - "First of all the majority of Southampton residents do oppose the location fo the gun range and many expressed that view point during the Council meeting."

TYRONIAN - FALSE. Some people, not most. Only 15 to 18 residents showed up from a neighborhood of 714 residents, living in 357 homes. Oh yes, my staff did their homework. What’s more, the 18 individuals repeated the same unsupported, ambiguous claims, after Mayor Dial explicitly asked the visitors to NOT repeat themselves.(wasting time). That was very disrespectful to the Tyrone council. The entire meeting is recorded.

RICHARDSON - "2nd, Although I never saw her at a gun range it's likely that she made an appearance at a gun range periodically."

TYRONIAN - Ok, you're saying, "its likely?" Hmmm.

RICHARDSON - "3rd, I have done my home work and your information is incorrect. Many gun shops and ranges in the metro area have contributed to violence by selling weapons that were involved in crimes in the state and nationwide."

TYRONIAN - FALSE. Gun ranges do NOT contribute to crimes, by selling their products. Guns do not commit crimes. People commit crimes, all the way back to when we only had rocks and sticks. Besides, you can buy a knife at publix. And on July 4th, I bet you'll see fireworks on sale. The "underwear bomber" tried to bomb an airplane... Was Fruit of the Loom convicted?
I'm sorry richardson, I'm going to have to fail your homework... and "homework" is a singular noun.

As far as having a gun shop in my "back yard," it wouldn't bother me anymore than a Publix, a pizza parlor, or a walmart... Of course, if I would have purchased a house 400 feet from a C-2 zoned commercial district, I really wouldn't have any say in what goes there. It’s a gamble.

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Couldn't agree more

Sort of like those that get a real good deal on a home near the Airport then complain about the Jet noise and want Government to DO something.

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Again I will reply

I say it again, as I did in the other comments, I would welcome a gun store and range in PTC. Better that than the other useless stores in the Kedron shopping center including the Target that attracts armed robbers. Remember that? I didn't think so and I don't expect response to this post from you either. Don't let facts distort your claims lrichardson.

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OMG!

Now it's Target that attracts violent activity! It was always my impression that this type of store was desirable to many citizens of Fayette County. Now, who else can you blame for predators who would rob, commit violence, and rob? I blame the perp myself!

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Now it's Target that attracts violent activity! It was always my impression that this type of store was desirable to many citizens of Fayette County. Now, who else can you blame for predators who would rob, commit violence, and rob? I blame the perp myself!

Let me be perfectly clear, the STORE that I was referring to is the Target store. Not a gun shop. Which I also welcome!

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I am taken back at the way

I am taken back at the way the residents’ concerns are being played down by both the context and content of this article.

1st of all I am a card carrying member of the NRA, an avid sport shooter and hunter. I have owned and used firearms for over 25 years. I received firearms training from US Navy SEALs and had long time contacts within LE SWAT as well. I plan to use this range so it should be evident that my concerns are experience based and not anti 2nd amendment rhetoric.

2nd of all I am a resident of Southampton and my property is in line of site of this range.

My concern is not what goes on inside of the range. As already stated this will be a state of the art facility and I certainly hope a fun and safe place to frequent. My concerns are what may happen in the parking lot regarding Accidental Discharge (AD). If this is a new concept to you please use wiki to become an instant expert.
AD is most common when people are handling their weapons such as unloading your carry ammo (The good stuff) and loading range ammo (The cheep stuff). How likely is this to be happening in the parking lot of a shooting range? As people cycle in and out over the course of years how much do the odds of an AD increase?

How likely are you to choose to raise a family in the line of fire of said parking lot? What are the odds you or anyone will pay fair market value for a home such as mine now? How would you like to be in my shoes? (Or back yard!)

Further to the line that most Southampton residents are indifferent to this range within 400 feet our neighborhood; you can be assured that we were only informed of a zoning change not the application for a gun range. Now that this is more out in the open the HOA is mounting a legal challenge with HUGE support from the residents.

I am in favor of a range in Tyrone. I am not in favor of putting it on top of a residential neighborhood. Where’s the common sense?

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Sunshine, the concern for an AD, Accidental Discharge, is far from being your own. I'm sure many people; especially those employed in gun shops with or without a range, share your concern. However, there are guns in every parking lot. Publix, Target, the Theatre, where I get a massage, at my children’s school, and in my church’s parking lot. What will you say when it happens in a Wal-Mart parking lot? My personal concern is that most owners of these guns do not posses the needed education on how to properly handle, store, and respect their firearms. They will soon have a facility to receive such training. Most people are not frightened that a police officer will accidently shoot them… Why not? Proper training. With training, accidents are reduced. At a range, your fire arm should be in an enclosed case, without ammo. Of course every facility will have their own rules, but I will tell you this, I will feel much safer in a gun shop parking lot than some subdivisions around the area.

I’m actually looking forward to shooting with experts, like yourself. I bet you have a few pointers for an old man. But what can you do about a person driving along a residential road with houses on both sides, kids playing in the streets, Mom are hanging the laundry, then a guy fires his gun? This happened in your subdivision. What is your HOA doing to prevent that?

Proper training and respect. That’s what it takes.

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Tyronian,

Do you wear a seatbelt when you drive? Do you make your children? Of course it is a law but why is that?

We wear safety gear because of accidents. Accidents are by their nature a human trait. You wouldn't drive without a seatbelt because this may be the day. Why would you advocate putting our community in the line of possible accidents and then say well the odds are that this wont be the day so train up. Even the very best trained people have accidents. How many SOF operators have died in training accidents? Friendly fire? How much less training have Police received?

There is no comparison of odds of an AD from a person with a holstered and stored gun and someone who is loading/reloading. This is fleshed out in the FACT that there is already a house on my street with the sale contingent on this range not being built. This is not a theory. This is my home equity.

FYI. When we built our house we were told that the space behind us was green and would never be developed. That was a selling point. Wont be able to use that one on resale.

Also; posting under my wifes user name. lol

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Odds?

When SouthHampton was built, this property was already zoned PUD, which meant that ANY commercial zoning could be built on this property. One of the uses in C3 was an indoor pistol range. The city already tried to stop development of the Publix center and lost in court. The residents will lose in court as the city did.
The developer stated in the city council meeting that they would install a weapons clearing device at the front door to prevent any ND's(negligent discharges)and enforce it's use. There is more of a chance of the chemicals in the autoparts store being a hazard to the residents than there is of an ND causing a problem.