Equal Justice, Social Justice or Vigilante Justice... Where do you stand in the Sanford Florida shooting?

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The Story all week has been the shooting in Sanford Florida of Tryvon Martin by George Zimmerman. There have literally been hundreds of Story's written on this one incident as if this is the only murder committed this month. There are two glaring errors in each story. 1. They are reporting that Zimmerman is a White guy or that the "Shooter" is a White man. This is incorrect. Zimmerman identifies himself as a Hispanic male not a "White" Caucasian male. 2. They are also reporting that the shooting occurred in a mostly white neighborhood. This too is incorrect, the neighborhood is made up of mostly Hispanic families. The Mainstream Media's narrative demands a White conservative pro-gun anti-government male. Any other narrative just won't do. The Narrative for the Race Pimps and Race Baiters incorporated is that the Police have failed to arrest Zimmerman because he is white and that's the only reason. They too have their agenda. However there are some glaring errors both have made. Intentionally? Most likely. First did you know there was a witness? I didn't either. ABC, NBC, CBS none of which have had not one single story that I could find that mentions the fact that a witness saw the whole event. Other facts they haven't told you.... 1. The witness reports that George Zimmerman was on the ground and Trayvon is on top of him punching him. That is not the narrative the MSM is given us.. We are being led to believe that Tryvon was just walking along and Zimmerman shot him. 2. The witness says that George Zimmerman was screaming and yelling for help. I thought he just walked up, confronted him and just shot him????? 3. Police arrive and find Zimmerman bleeding on his face and the back of his head. He also has had grass stains on his back. All this confirms the story told by Zimmerman and the witness Hmmm sounds like the Police was doing their job... 4. Police play the 911 tape for Trayvon Martin's father, who tells police that the voice screaming is not the voice of his son. But this in not what we are being led to believe. The Media also keeps using an old outdated baby-faced pictures of Trayvon. Very few include that he was a towering 6'2” football player. Someone much taller and stronger then Zimmerman. Another fact that the MSM wants us to ignore is there were eight burglaries, nine thefts, and a shooting just in the past year in this same neighborhood. In fact, the local homeowners' association reports that George Zimmerman actually caught one thief and aided in the apprehension of other criminals. Doesn't sound like the whacked out vigilante he is being portrayed as by the MSM or the Race Baiters inc. In fact the Miami Herald goes on to interview neighbor, Ibrahim Rashada, who is black. Rashada ​confirms that there has been a lot of crime in the neighborhood and indicates to the reporter that the perpetrators are usually black, but this too is left out of the 24/7 coverage. There is an obvious agenda being played out here. It's a divide and conquer strategy that Rules for Radicals clearly outline. The Progressive left must, must keep us at each others throats. The MSM clearly invested in another re-election of the President has to keep the pressure on, keep us divided and distracted. We will see a none ending continuous stream of like story's between now and November. After all they wouldn't want you to look closely at the Debt or the Gas Price now would they? Zimmerman may be guilty as hell. I don't know. There is another side to this sordid story. Is Zimmerman a Racist? Even if he was and he confronted Martin did Zimmerman have a right to defend himself if Martin did attack him? All these questions and many more must be answered. No, not by us or the Media and certainly not the Race Pimps, but by a Court of his peers. Justice is supposed to blind. Any bets in this case Justice will be gagged as well?
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It is tragic

First, rest in peace Tray. The strife is over for you.

It's a shame that all of the race hustlers have corraled a lynch mob befor having all of the facts of the case. They come out of the woodwork calling for "justice". (In this case "justice" is merely a code word for "payback") The Black Panther party have put out "dead or alive" posters for Zimmerman. Where are the calls for 'civility' from the far left?

Very disappointed but not surprised that Obama had to demogogue this tragedy in a morally repugnant attempt at political gain.

Where was Obama last month and why didn't he apoligze when a gang of black and latino thugs poured gasoline on a blonde haired, blue eyed boy taunting him with epithets of "white boy" and then lighting him on fire, in what was an obvious race based hate crime? His mother and all decent American people demand answers.

Obama is the most divisive president in history and is doing so in a deliberate albeit failed attempt to take our eyes off of his disastrously failed presidency.

Obama ought to search his soul (that will be like a jelly fish searching for his spine) for only caring about shootings when the victim looks like they could be his son. Such a statement reveals that Obama is only president for the small minority of people who look like him and the same statement is cause for impeachment.

Obama is a very sick man and a symptom of a soul sick, dying once great republic. So much for equal justice under the law. In Obamaville, some people are obviously "more equal" than others.

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Lindsey

You are correct - there is more to this story than what we are being led to believe.

Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman

The facts of the case will eventually come to light.

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The reality of 'racial profiling'

All parents at one time or another fear for the safety of their child since the moment that child is born. As parents we worry when the child gets on a bus or a friends car; we worry when a child enters a classroom/schoolhouse (private and/or public); most of us pray daily for the safety of our child and the safety of all children and those adults who come in contact with our child.

Some feel that the problem of racial profiling is a new issue to be dealt with. As a mother of two sons well into their 40’s, racial profiling is hardly a ‘new’ issue in many communities. My friends who are white – when their sons shaved their heads as an initiation ‘prank’ – were stopped by law enforcement as possible ‘skinheads’ in an integrated neighborhood. My friends who are Asian reported their sons being stopped as possible members of an Asian gang in the Pasadena, CA area. Being the parent of ‘black’ teenagers, my husband and I had the local Sheriff department come to our home and speak to our sons AND their friends about the reality of being on the streets while ‘black’. Our sons were instructed to obey law enforcement immediately; to answer all questions respectfully; and if they felt they were being treated unfairly and/or detained without cause, to tell their parents and let their parents and attorneys handle the problem. This was in the 70’s and the 80’s. Today I worry about my grandchildren. Racial profiling exists among law enforcement and among all of us as citizens in our communities. No one should lose his or her life because of the results of racial profiling. IT IS NOT JUST BLACK PARENTS WHO SHOULD WORRY ABOUT THIS PROBLEM.

There is an investigation going on now by state and federal authorities into this recent loss of life in one of our communities. All that is expected is justice once the facts are known. A Grand Jury will ascertain the facts. In the meantime, all parents must have that talk with their children about the dangers of ‘racial profiling’ regardless of their race or where they live. We as adults must also search our thoughts regarding ‘racial profiling’.

The sad reality in this case is it was not 'law enforcement' who killed a mother's child - but an individual who acted against the direction of the police department and followed a person he considered suspicious. Do we now begin to arm our children? I don't think so. Justice will be done once the facts are determined.

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Justice

The only "justice" that will be acceptable to the Sharpton/Jackson crowd and the lynch mob that they drummed up will be for Zimmerman to be found guilty. These race-baiters and the black panthers have already tried and convicted Zimmerman in the court of their own opinion and have found him guilty. The black panthers already have posted dead or alive posters for Zimmerman. Anything less than a guilty verdict there will be riots in the streets. Just watch.

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Concerning the Black Panthers $10K offer...

I'm no lawyer, but is it legal for one non-sanctioned, non-law enforcement group to put a bounty on a law-abiding citizen and 'apprehend' him? It almost seems tantamount to a terroristic threat. Opinion, anyone?

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this is mob justice and scary

Mob of 50 Black Teen Girls Attack 2 NYPD Officers in Staten Island

From NY Jewish Culture Examiner, Adam Taxin,

As described in an article by Buck Sexton for Glenn Beck’s news website, The Blaze, a group of 50 black (not a term Sexton chose to use) teenage girls – clearly part of the oppressed “99%” – attacked police in Staten Island after they came to the home of a girl the group had been bullying and tormenting for days.

For what it is worth, New York Jewish Culture Examiner believes that blacks are every bit as capable of abiding by laws and functioning within civilization as non-blacks are … and that it’s “racist” (or, more accurately, “bigoted”) to believe otherwise, justify, look the other way, etc. Needless to say, this author does not believe in omitting key details of news stories in order to appeal to silly “sensitivities.”

According to Sexton’s article, “Marauding Mob of 50 Teen-Aged Girls Beat Down 2 NYC Cops”:

New York City firefighters came to the rescue of two NYPD cops who were outnumbered and getting pummeled by 50 angry female teenagers on Tuesday.

The Firefighters from the FDNY opened up on the violent crowd with a “deluge gun”– which is a high-powered, truck-mounted water cannon–finally causing the mob to disperse.

NYPD officers made nine arrests, but two officers were hospitalized in the attack. Police also recovered a starter pistol, which may have been intended to further terrify the original female target of the mob.

The scene unfolded in New York’s Staten Island borough when a mob of 50 young females gathered outside the home of a single young girl and threatened her. Apparently, the girl had been kept home from school for several days because of repeated and vicious bullying, so the bullies came to her doorstep.

It didn’t take long for the angry mob to become enraged. Staten Island Live reports that at least one bystander, who saw the incident but would not give his name for fear of retaliation, said:

“It was chaos. The yelling got louder and louder and louder… There was probably 50 to 55 kids out here, and they were challenging one girl.”

Witnesses also told police that the mob was challenging the single girl whose residence they surrounded to “come out and fight,” which prompted calls to police.

When two police officers– one male and one female– arrived at the scene, the male cop tried to make an arrest, but the female teens turned on him, knocking him to the ground. Other teens jumped on top of the police car.

The officer’s female partner tried to assist, but she was also kicked to the ground. The female officer was able to radio for back-up, though both her and her partner were “banged up” by the mob.

The incident occurred just blocks away from the FDNY Engine Company 138, so firefighters quickly arrived to assist.
The FDNY let the violent girl-mob have it with their high-powered water cannon. That forced most of them to flee the scene, and nine others were arrested.

As for the victim, the young female student narrowly escaped an increasingly vicious situation. She told reporters that ”They were waiting for me since Thursday. They wanted to get me for a he-said, she-said. They kept on calling.”

When the group arrived at her doorstep, they were carrying “guns, blades and knives,” according to the victim.

Relatives said the young girl has a heart condition, which was part of the mob’s campaign of terror as they gathered outside her door.

“We’re gonna punch you in the chest. We’re gonna fix your heart condition,” the mob yelled.

It is not known yet at what time Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Eric Holder, John Lewis, etc. will be holding press conferences to deplore the brutality, racism, outrageous behavior, etc. of the NYPD and FDNY. Not to mention how the insensitivity of the FDNY in using fire hoses which might trigger painful memories of the Civil Rights Movement. Or something like that.

Barack Hussein Obama has apparently not yet commented on whether the NYPD and FDNY “acted stupidly.”

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this is mob justice and scary

Mob of 50 Black Teen Girls Attack 2 NYPD Officers in Staten Island

From NY Jewish Culture Examiner, Adam Taxin,

As described in an article by Buck Sexton for Glenn Beck’s news website, The Blaze, a group of 50 black (not a term Sexton chose to use) teenage girls – clearly part of the oppressed “99%” – attacked police in Staten Island after they came to the home of a girl the group had been bullying and tormenting for days.

For what it is worth, New York Jewish Culture Examiner believes that blacks are every bit as capable of abiding by laws and functioning within civilization as non-blacks are … and that it’s “racist” (or, more accurately, “bigoted”) to believe otherwise, justify, look the other way, etc. Needless to say, this author does not believe in omitting key details of news stories in order to appeal to silly “sensitivities.”

According to Sexton’s article, “Marauding Mob of 50 Teen-Aged Girls Beat Down 2 NYC Cops”:

New York City firefighters came to the rescue of two NYPD cops who were outnumbered and getting pummeled by 50 angry female teenagers on Tuesday.

The Firefighters from the FDNY opened up on the violent crowd with a “deluge gun”– which is a high-powered, truck-mounted water cannon–finally causing the mob to disperse.

NYPD officers made nine arrests, but two officers were hospitalized in the attack. Police also recovered a starter pistol, which may have been intended to further terrify the original female target of the mob.

The scene unfolded in New York’s Staten Island borough when a mob of 50 young females gathered outside the home of a single young girl and threatened her. Apparently, the girl had been kept home from school for several days because of repeated and vicious bullying, so the bullies came to her doorstep.

It didn’t take long for the angry mob to become enraged. Staten Island Live reports that at least one bystander, who saw the incident but would not give his name for fear of retaliation, said:

“It was chaos. The yelling got louder and louder and louder… There was probably 50 to 55 kids out here, and they were challenging one girl.”

Witnesses also told police that the mob was challenging the single girl whose residence they surrounded to “come out and fight,” which prompted calls to police.

When two police officers– one male and one female– arrived at the scene, the male cop tried to make an arrest, but the female teens turned on him, knocking him to the ground. Other teens jumped on top of the police car.

The officer’s female partner tried to assist, but she was also kicked to the ground. The female officer was able to radio for back-up, though both her and her partner were “banged up” by the mob.

The incident occurred just blocks away from the FDNY Engine Company 138, so firefighters quickly arrived to assist.
The FDNY let the violent girl-mob have it with their high-powered water cannon. That forced most of them to flee the scene, and nine others were arrested.

As for the victim, the young female student narrowly escaped an increasingly vicious situation. She told reporters that ”They were waiting for me since Thursday. They wanted to get me for a he-said, she-said. They kept on calling.”

When the group arrived at her doorstep, they were carrying “guns, blades and knives,” according to the victim.

Relatives said the young girl has a heart condition, which was part of the mob’s campaign of terror as they gathered outside her door.

“We’re gonna punch you in the chest. We’re gonna fix your heart condition,” the mob yelled.

It is not known yet at what time Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Eric Holder, John Lewis, etc. will be holding press conferences to deplore the brutality, racism, outrageous behavior, etc. of the NYPD and FDNY. Not to mention how the insensitivity of the FDNY in using fire hoses which might trigger painful memories of the Civil Rights Movement. Or something like that.

Barack Hussein Obama has apparently not yet commented on whether the NYPD and FDNY “acted stupidly.”

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maybe you should tell your Jessie not to 'profile'

Jesse Jackson Relieved at Learning White People Are Following Him
March 23, 2012

There is nothing more painful to me … than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.

The Reverend Jesse Jackson, as quoted in US News, March 10, 1996

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Cash stolen from handicapped Cary boy

Since the current president is so fond of putting in his two cents on needless crime around the country and phoning the victims to offer support, we wait with anticipation to see how long it will take Obama to phone Nolan and offer him support. I'm sure that he wouldn't want money taken from Malia and Sasha if they were out collecting funds for a charity

Cash stolen from handicapped Cary boy collecting funds for wheelchair basketball

Police are still searching for the man who took the money. He is described as black male with a tattoo on the back of his left arm. He is between 5 feet 6 inches and 5 feet 8 inches tall, in his 20s, and has very short hair or is bald, Williams said.

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Thanks for sharing. I'm sure you and many others are contributing to this young mans fundraiser. I hope the perpetrator will be caught and justice served.

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Grieving, all the way to the bank......

This is absolutely disgusting - What happened to morality and the sense of decency in this country? Some people will do anything for money. Excuse me while I go vomit.

Mother Seeks Trayvon Martin Trademarks

The mother of Trayvon Martin has filed two applications to secure trademarks containing her late son’s name, records show

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What happened to morality and the sense of decency in this country?

http://www.ajc.com/news/in-failed-hotel-venture-1399384.html

I know how you feel. These guys used taxpayer money - and only have to repay half ? The New Black Panthers; the KKK; and the Tea Party should not make money off of Trayvons name - just saying. There is always two sides to an issue.

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Zimmerman - white?

According to Lindsey:

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1. They are reporting that Zimmerman is a White guy or that the "Shooter" is a White man.
This is incorrect. Zimmerman identifies himself as a Hispanic male not a "White" Caucasian male.
2. They are also reporting that the shooting occurred in a mostly white neighborhood.
This too is incorrect, the neighborhood is made up of mostly Hispanic families.

As reported in Reuters:

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Martin, 17 and unarmed, was shot dead on February 26 after Zimmerman, 28, a white Hispanic neighborhood watch captain, believed the young man walking through the gated community in a "hoodie" hooded sweatshirt looked suspicious. Zimmerman followed him and an altercation ensued.

And according to the Christian Science Monitor:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0324/Who-is-George-Zimmerman-and-why-d...

Let's stick to the facts. Not many, after seeing his picture, would describe him as 'white'.

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Facts are indeed stubborn things...

CBS NEWS:
Zimmerman, whose family says is Hispanic but whom police have described as white, was not arrested. He claimed self-defense.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57402215/outrage-over-trayvon-mar...

Think Progress:
The shooter was George Zimmerman, a 28-year-old white man.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/18/446768/what-everyone-should-...

Afro.com
George Zimmerman, a White 28 year-old member of a citizens patrol group in Sanford, Fla.,

www.afro.com/sections/news/afro_briefs/story.htm?storyid=74381

New York Times:
“Was the gunman, George Zimmerman, 28, a white Hispanic crime watch volunteer in Sanford, Fla

www.nytimes.com/2012/03/21/us/justice-department-opens-inquiry-in-killin...

AP Photo file..
This undated family photo shows Trayvon Martin. College students around Florida rallied Monday, March 19, 2012, to demand the arrest of a white neighborhood watch captain

http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/nation-world-news/rights-leaders-k...

ABC News
Roland Martin
...by a white neighborhood watch captain in Florida

http://rolandmartinreports.com/blog/tag/abc-news/

Really DM I could go on forever.. You have to go back more then 1 DAY the rhetoric is now changing slightly since the FACTS are starting to come out..

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Zimmerman is a defect..

plain and simple. It's a classic example of an individual who is unable to deal with an imaginary authority and because of it they cannot properly rationalize their actions.

This kind of reminds me of an altercation between an off-duty Asheville, NC firefigther and a family riding their bicycles in that city. The firefighter felt that it was his sworn duty to tell this family that they can't ride on a certain rode because it was, in his mind, unsafe for them. So he stopped them to give them his rather distorted view of things and the husband of the cycling family basically told "numbnuts" to go pound sand and proceeded to walk away. Well this idiot was so upset that stormed back to his car to retrieve....well you guessed it...his .38 revolver. He took aim and shot at the cyclists. Fortunately, a .38 is not that accurate at distance but the damn round struck the cyclist's helmet missing his head by just a little bit. Again this idiot let his imaginary authority get in the way of making rational decisions.

Oh, and what became of numbnuts. Well he was first charged with first degree attempted murder and $500,000 bond. When it was all said and done his sentence was mitigated down to a lesser charge and the judge thought he was such a "stand-up" guy he only had to serve 4 months. Justice, go figure???

Anyways, Zimmerman is defect. This young man died because of it. What a tragedy!!!!

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Always two sides CY.

I will reserve judgement until ALL the facts come in...

"The witness told FOX 35 in Orlando that he saw evidence of a fight between Martin and Zimmerman, which could lend credence to the gunman's claim that he was acting in self-defence.
'The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: "Help, help… and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,' he said.
Zimmerman was wearing a red sweater; Martin was in a grey hoodie.
He added: 'When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point.'"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2119615/Trayvon-Martin-New-witne...

Just remember Duke Lacross team and Tawana Brawley. Let's not rush to judgement yet.

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I know S. Lindsey...

I really should wait until the facts are in but I'm having a hard time understanding why he got out of his house and pursed the kid even after the police told him not to.

Sorry it must be that damn cheap French wine that I was drinking which is making the liberal in me to show its self. Must fight it and stuff it back. :-)

Good night.

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Cheap Wine will do it every time...

tends to make me a little liberal as well.... All that free loves stuff..lol.

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Interesting, S. Lindsey...

...that you mention the Duke case; I still remember Sharpton denouncing & convicting them (AND Nancy Grace, btw!) and NEVER apologizing for their comments when the truth came out. Well, that's what keeps the checks coming from his moronic, racist followers. I have seen Jesse on the news, though; he must be busy making more illegitimate children (oh, and John Edwards, too - don't want to be accused of racism!). Thanks for the links, btw; hadn't had a chance to follow the story other than the TV shots of rallies for racists.

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Sorry...

...for the repeats; something's up w/ my I-net/computer...

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Save us all from 'defects'

We need to have the discussion among family and friends regardless of 'race' - but as Americans. We need to listen to each other rather than those who would escalate a tragic situation to violence and 'numb nut ' reaction. What my neighbors have realized is that a 'defect' could shoot in our peaceful neighborhood based on suspicion and harm/kill members of our family. The Neighborhood Watch Program is an excellent program. Neighbors watching out for one another is important in a community. We also need to carefully monitor our 'justice' system. There is a healthy discussion in all aspects of the media regarding the current tragedy. The New Black Panther Party has been identified as a hate group - equal to the KKK. Maybe this is a time for a group that has a common interest in this problem - mothers - to get together as Americans and brainstorm steps that need to be taken to address this problem. It may be time to lower the testosterone level a bit.

As is being pointed out - many mothers have been having the 'talk' with their sons for a long, long time. Suspicion must be based on ACTIONS - not just skin color. Believe me - similar situations have happened in urban areas when a 'white' person/male was observed walking alone in a black neighborhood.

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NBC - Editing Zimmerman's call to the....

police.

Actual conversation on tape:

Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

Zimmerman: Yeah, a dark hoodie.

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

NBC version:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.

NBC has stated it will conduct an investigation as to what took place by its editing team.

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Editing and a dangerous media

On 3/25/12 I blogged that the media was dangerous. That post is just a couple down from here. Nothing has happened to change my mind about them. It almost seems as though they would like to start a race war.

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Cy and G35, the news media will do anything to sell papers and

to get people to tune in. That is very apparent by the way they always jump the gun on any news item. They blow up any incident way beyond it's importance and are not above editing or misquoting. The more people get riled up the more that have to put on their "Breaking News" which is a joke. They love Sharpton and his ilk and Sharpton and his ilk love the media.

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Cy & Zimmerman case

And the good folks in the 17th District of Florida really have someone to be proud of with Congresswoman Wilson (D), who stated on the floor of the House that Martin was "hunted down like a rabid dog"--no proof, no fact, totally irresponsible. Maybe it's the pink cowboy hat.

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NBC apologizes for editing Zimmerman's...

call.

"During our investigation it became evident that there was an error made in the production process that we deeply regret," NBC News representative Lauren Kapp said in a statement on Tuesday, in response to a query by Reuters. "We will be taking the necessary steps to prevent this from happening in the future and apologize to our viewers."

I believe whoever edited that tape had an intended purpose. It was no error. It's called sensationalizing through manipulation of the news and NBC got caught in the act.

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What about all the tweets

who is going to recall those?

Yes, Cy it is obvious their was an agenda. It served it's purpose.

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Apology not accepted

NBC is just as guilty as the Sharpton/Jackson/Waters crowd for stirring up the ignorant by trying and convicting Zimmerman in the court of broadcast television.

If Zimmerman is exhonerated and riots ensue, any blood spilled will be on their hands.

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Grizz -Extreme left and right intentions

Religious leaders (black white, green, orange) throughout the country are working diligently to involve the majority of citizens in peaceful involvement regarding the Martin/Zimmerman case. Elected leaders, local and federal, are working with citizens to be patient and allow the law to be followed. Most citizens are adhering to this call for non-violence and following the law. (Then you have those who are too eagerly predicting 'riots'.) The call is not for exoneration - but for justice. Grizz - close that ugly mouth in your avatar. You are doing more harm than good to Mr. Zimmerman. The extremists in our country are anxious for violence. The majority of citizens, regardless of ideology, are saddened by this tragedy, aware of the media hype, and thankful that an investigation is being held beyond the interpretation of the law by a local police agency.

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Spare us your self-righteousness

You call these comments by 'elected leaders' a call for patience?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/03/27/dem_congressman_trayvo...

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/03/2729373/trayvons-death-was-murder-...

Then you have that idiot racist Spike Lee providing a false address of Zimmerman to his followers so that they could go drag him out of his house. That's the liberal idea of "Justice".

If Zimmerman is not convicted, there will be riots - bank on it. It's the modus operendi of the left wing mob. Read the words that are at the end of each post you make on this board...You might just learn something. Until then just shut your racist, ugly pie-hole.

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Grizz - LOL

It is so easy to get you to demonstrate your superior intelligence and ability to have a civil discussion. Thanks! LOL

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Is that all you have?

You are so full of B.S. - David is probably ashamed of his momma.

You state that elected leaders are calling for patience, I provide proof to the contrary, and that's all you can come up with. Good riddance -
I won't even bother replying to your inane comments anymore.

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Just you wait Grizz it ain't over yet

They are now trying to compare the Security Guard shooting with 1950's Mississippi and Trayvon. The next stop on the Race Baiter inc train is coming back to Atlanta.

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DM when those leaders you suggest

Get on the House floor and with calls of "Murderer" and "Shot down like a dog".. Pull on hoodies and sunglasses you mean these guys are calling for non-violence?

Need to pull off those rose colored glasses every once in a while there DM.

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Lindsey-what if?

Actions speak louder than words. Americans of all colors are waiting for the FACTS. This tragedy happened some
time ago. . . .and the true LEADERS are being heard. Are you disappointed that the riots have not occurred? Why are you and some media giving irresponsible statements such credence. I will be very disappointed if a riot happens. I'm impressed that most Americans are relying on our justice system. . . and not those agitators who seem to want violence in the streets. Mike King is right. Some want to try this case in the media . It's been pointed out that the media is not always just. I'm still waiting for facts - not conjecture. I do wonder why some are hesitant to answer my question What If?

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Lindsey- what if?

What if monkeys flew out of my butt? I know, I know, these "what if" questions that have no bearing on the case are set up and served as straw men by the race mongers as if it would have made any difference.

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boycott NBC

A nation-wide boycott of all NBC programing might teach them a lesson. Unfortunately, I don't think America has that level of team spirit left.

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oops again

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It's all about labels, apparently, DM...

"Not many, after seeing his picture, would describe him as 'white'". So you're talking about Obama? He's half white, too, remember.

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http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/25/10854229-witness-zimmerman-...

I don’t know what happened that night. None of us do. But there are some things that I’d like to comment on. Like the media. They seem to be trying to stir things up even before the investigation is complete. I think we are close to the point where Zimmerman may have to do jail time even if he’s innocent. If he doesn’t will there be riots? The Black Panthers have already put a price on Zimmermans head. Nothing will appease these people other than the chair or at least serious jail time for Zimmerman. And in this environment we have an article from US News including comments like this.

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Sonner said he's spoken with several of Zimmerman's friends, including some who are African American. "They only have good things to say about him," Sonner said.
They're reluctant to come forward, though, because they fear that the backlash over the investigation will make them and their families targets, too, Sonner said.

The article itself is about a witness that claims that Zimmerman didn’t try to help Trayvon after he shot him. Maybe Zimmerman knew he was beyond help at this point. Or maybe he was dazed after a hard fight. Or maybe he is as cold a person as he’s being made out to be. But what purpose does running an article with this subject serve at this time. The article even stoops so low as to compare this to the killing of Emmitt Till. Is that not an attempt to incite?
And why does our President feel the need to muddy the waters even more with his comments? At this point I’d almost like to see a law prohibiting the media from reporting on a story until the trail is over. Or better yet one that holds the media accountable for harm cause by reckless reporting. Not until the media is held accountable will things change.

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The Media

Good points. Another point: the media waited until Travon was buried before bringing this to the forefront. I mentioned Mr. Zimmerman weeks ago, but it was either ignored or no one knew what I was talking about. If an appropriate investigation had happened and been reported, this tragedy would not be at this point where radicals are trying to incite criminal activity. IMO. At this point, so much has been reported as 'fact', the public is confused as to what happened after Mr. Zimmerman left his car. We'll see what the Grand Jury decides.

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And why does our President feel the need to muddy the waters even more with his comments

Damned if he speaks; damned if he doesn't. Speaking to the fear of all American parents was viewed by some as comforting. If a white mother feels that she doesn't need to worry about her child, remember Columbine.

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Leaders are held to a higher standard
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Damned if he speaks; damned if he doesn't. Speaking to the fear of all American parents was viewed by some as comforting. If a white mother feels that she doesn't need to worry about her child, remember Columbine.

We all need to worry about our kids. I agree with you. But if a leader feels the need to comment on matters such as this he needs to be aware of the environment and make sure that his comments do not make matters worse. Leaders are held to a higher standard.

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Of course we see things from our uniquely different perspective. From my perspective, if this president or any other president had remained silent in the wake of this tragedy, his/her leadership and humanity would be in question. To some, Obama can do no wrong; to others, Obama can do nothing right. His comments have calmed the segment of the populace that I am most familiar with. I think most agree this is a frightening tragedy - and we don't have all the facts of the situation.
This president is very aware of the current environment . . . and his well chosen words were welcomed by many.

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DM what makes this tragedy any different

from any other. There are approx 50-55 Murders per day. That's per day DM.
On avg there are 1,400 murders of people under the age of 18 per YEAR.

So DM why is this one so special?

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The perpetrator

Was judged innocent by the police department and the local interpretation of law. The community questioned that decision. The media, as is too common, ignored ' just another homicide'. If your child was killed, you would want to feel the perpetrator had been investigated properly. You would want your question answered - why? And you would expect an answer that followed the law. If your child was killed, that would be special to you. The law will be followed in this case; explained to the public, and justice will be done. . .in spite of grizz's pessimistic opinion.

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Was judged innocent by the police department and the local interpretation of law.

DM how do determine that the Police judged him innocent? He was obviously taken in, photoed and interviewed. SOP... A case will presented to the Grand Jury. It is not their job to determine guilt or innocence. Didn't we just have an incident where a home owner shot a thief who was trying to steal metal? Didn't the Deputies want to serve a warrant on him?
Where they right or wrong?

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The media, as is too common, ignored ' just another homicide'.

You mean the National media? This was covered locally... What made this more special then say a Murder in Detroit? Isn't that Mother's pain just as significant?

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If your child was killed, you would want to feel the perpetrator had been investigated properly. You would want your question answered - why? And you would expect an answer that followed the law. If your child was killed, that would be special to you.

You are correct. Do professional agitators assist or detract in this? Justice is supposed to blind right? So if a group demands that the Law be circumvented for their personal Justice is this truly Justice?

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The law will be followed in this case; explained to the public, and justice will be done. . .in spite of grizz's pessimistic opinion.

Are you sure? Would you say the Law was followed if it was determined that Zimmerman while maybe culpable in the act was found not guilty of any serious crime? Would Al Sharpton and Crazy Louie feel that way?

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I consider you an agitator.

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Well I certainly hope so DM

I am agitating for change. There is a huge difference between Race Baiter inc and those of us who refuse to sit down and shut up about what we see is happening to America.

btw-Noticed you didn't answer not one single question I put to you..nor did you answer the question about the Constitution. DM if you want to have a conversational debate you actually have to engage in one. Yes I ask you the hard questions.. I want to make you think. ASk and I will answer. You probably won't like the answers very much but I will give you an honest answer never the less.
You should learn to do the same...

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My answers to your questions are in my comments in this discussion. You evidently don't read any of my comments to others - and that OK. I'm going to wait until the Grand Jury and state and federal authorities share the facts of this case. You are not the only one in this conversation. . .and you can certainly share your point of view without my comment.

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DM you made certain ascertions

I simply challenged them.. Now you want to "Wait" to see what the Grand Jury does. Well all that's laudable of course, but like "others" you made statements based on your opinion. If you cannot or will not defend them then why make them?

I am simply trying to follow your logic in that there are facts in play not yet brought forward. Yet, you still had an opinion as to who was guilty and who was not.

This non-answer of "My answers to your questions are in my comments in this discussion" you have used before and was then and still is nothing more then a dodge.

You see DM when you say things like this:

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The New Black Panthers; the KKK; and the Tea Party should not make money off of Trayvons name - just saying

It is very clear what you mean. Let's see where is the KKK and the Teaparty contingent in Sanford. Haven't seen them yet-just saying.

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I'm still waiting, as are others, for the facts.

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Yet, you still had an opinion as to who was guilty and who was not

Guilty? The fact. Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin. We're waiting for the facts in the case to ascertain if the law has been followed. Do you nave the answer? If so, please share.

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DM just because now you are changing your stance

does not change the fact that you assumed facts not in evidence.

The very statement "Was judged innocent by the police department and the local interpretation of law." that you made presumes guilt.

If you were mugged at Walmart and you had a gun and shot the mugger dead. Would you expect the Police to arrest you for Murder or maybe would you expect to have the incident investigated first? Is that any different then what happened in Sanford?

Then you lumped the Teaparty in with the KKK and the Black Panthers trying in some perverted way of saying that the NBP was just doing what the TP does by protesting????

I have not seen a wanted Dead or Alive poster or a $10,000 award issued by a TP event yet but I am sure your secret cabal that is in the TP is getting one ready. Nor have I seen any TP member tweet out the home address of say Nancy Pelosi and encouraging others to go collect that bounty.

DM the facts are slowly being dribbled out and even though it now appears Trayvon is not the innocent little boy the Media and Race Baiters inc. are trying to make him out to be and George (pronounced "Whorhey")Zimmerman is not the crazed right-winged nut-job vigilante either.

I am just exploring the depths of your knowledge DM. I am still waiting on your treatise on the Constitution and Governments expanded powers beyond the 18 Enumerated powers.

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Well good for you

glad to see you are softening your usual stance and have decided to let the Law work through the case.

Glad I could help.

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DM I asked what made this different....

...and your response was the "Perpetrator".

How does this make it different?

You mean it's ok to keep ignoring the fact most murders of black Americans are committed by black Americans and that most murdered blacks are teenagers and the murderer was himself a teenager?

So following your logic then what made this different was that Zimmerman was reported to be White and Trayvon was Black thus beating the odds that he would have been killed by one of his "brothers".

So this issue could be turned into a racial issue and thus unique.

Thanks DM I get it now.

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The difference - Lindsey

You, and agitators like you regardless of color refusing to wait for the facts to be disclosed before passing judgment. That is one of the differences. There is no difference in the pain felt by the families of all involved in this tragedy . What if Mr. Zimmerman had been killed? Can you give us an opinion regarding that question? The perpetrator was following the victim, as he stated in his 911 call. These are the facts that we have. Wait for the investigation to give us more information - that is what most Americans are doing.

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DM - You

are so right on this.

"Wait for the investigation to give us more information"

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Of course we see things from our uniquely different perspective.

I will give you credit in that you do try to see both sides of a discussion.

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From my perspective, if this president or any other president had remained silent in the wake of this tragedy, his/her leadership and humanity would be in question. To some, Obama can do no wrong; to others, Obama can do nothing right. His comments have calmed the segment of the populace that I am most familiar with.

But this is kind of my point. A leader can't pander to a certain segment of the population. That is being divisive. If he had to comment he should have said something neutral like "My heart goes out to the families hurt by this terrible tragedy. I hope and pray that justice is served." I don't see Mr Zimmerman getting a fair trial after all of this.

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His comments have calmed the segment of the populace that I am most familiar with.

Oh yeah. Barry's comments sure did calm them -

'Cracker' T-shirt hits Florida streets

Group offers $10,000 bounty to ‘capture’ Trayvon Martin’s killer
The organization put out flyers saying "George Zimmerman" is wanted "dead or alive." Southern Regional Minister Mikhail Muhammad doesn't think the rhetoric is violent.

No Justice for Trayvon Martin, No Peace

Nothing short of an immediate conviction and hanging in the public square will satisfy this lynch mob.

They don't care about the facts. All they want is payback.

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. . .and what do you hope your comments inspire? What facts to you have that the rest of us are not aware of?

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Face it DM, JoeK is just a dingbat and a trouble maker here. I think all of the people who want to pass judgment one way or the other need think about their emotions had it been their child, never convicted of a crime, were walking home from the store in a hoodie that the white people are afraid of, because so many thugs wear them.

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Crime

Trayvon Martin rally at Capitol draws many

"I am tired of murder," he shouted. "Every time a hand goes down is another dead brother. They think we gonna rally and blow off steam, then four months down the road, we gonna put our hands down and be through with the fight. But the law is protecting those who kill us!"

It is a statistical fact that most african americans are killed by someone of their own race. Most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.

I refuse to be lectured by any of these protesters or race whores like David's mom on this issue until they get their own house in order.

And when they advocate wearing "hoodies", remember there was another person that became famous because of the hoodie he wore.-

Unabomber

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David's Mom - Race Whore....Joe called it as it is

"I refuse to be lectured by any of these protesters or race whores like David's mom on this issue until they get their own house in order."

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"It is a statistical fact that most african americans are killed by someone of their own race. Most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate the whites murder blacks"

that is sooo true...and if we reacted the same as they do...can you imagine?

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that is sooo true...and if we reacted the same as they do...can you imagine?

Don't have to imagine - just look at the recent crime of a black man being singled out and killed by a group of white teenagers 'out for a good time'. This is the kind of reaction that was prevalent years ago in many parts of our country. Our country has been a shining light in the world - UNTIL IT COMES TO RACE RELATIONS. The facts are the facts - but there are also areas where we have overcome racial hatred and discrimination and we don't need to tip toe around our success - UNLESS WE ARE NOT PROUD OF THAT SUCCESS AND WANT TO RETURN TO THE PAST. Fayette County is an excellent example of Americans living together with pride and dignity. Fayette County has a questionable past in the area of race relations according to historians. Words are powerful weapons, because they express ideas. Many here use their words to express their ideas and to share their ideas regarding many different issues. SOME use their words to incite misunderstanding and hatred. It is important to know why another has a different view of a situation than your view. I have learned why others view situations differently. I have been in this part of Georgia when 'times' were different. I have been told to go to the back of our cousins house and stay on the floor while the local 'white' boys drove down the street shooting. TIMES HAVE CHANGED. I have witnessed the agents of change in action - both white and black. Those that were successful used the strategy of non-violence.

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A Race Whore spoke

"SOME use their words to incite misunderstanding and hatred."
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Blacks do kill whites 18 times more than the other way round. I repeat, if we re acted as you...what a difference there would be. All these ghosts of the past you love to dig up to race bate...wouldn't be ghost of the past. You continue to bate. You could learn by our example but that would be too hard. It is so much easier to whine.

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New claims cast Trayvon Martin as the aggressor

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By MIKE SCHNEIDER

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SANFORD, Fla. — A slain Florida teenager and the neighborhood watch captain who shot and killed him exchanged words before the teen punched him in the nose and began banging the man's head on the ground, according to the watch captain's account of the confrontation that led to the shooting....the article goes on to say the kid was expelled from school over drugs. Could it be he was there during times that he might have been in school,wearing a hot hoodie in south Fla in the middle of a warm day...could that have possibly made Zimmerman think something amiss?

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Facts or not

This is why sensible citizens are waiting for the facts. You are using an article which is stating the truth as cited by the watch captain to incite. Do you really think you have to state to a black person that they are more susceptible to black on black crime? Really intelligent. Thank you.

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A slain Florida teenager and the neighborhood watch captain who shot and killed him exchanged words before the teen punched him in the nose and began banging the man's head on the ground, according to the watch captain's account of the confrontation that led to the shooting

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Speaking of facts...

One other thing that has struck me about this situation, beside the fact that Trayvon's mother has found time during her considerable grieving to secure a couple of copyrights using his name, is this...

"Meanwhile, Martin's parents are blaming police for leaking information about their son being suspended for marijuana and details about the fight he had with Zimmerman that portrayed the teen as the aggressor.

Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, and family attorneys said Monday that it was part of an effort to demonize her son.

"They killed my son and now they're trying to kill his reputation," Fulton told reporters.

Martin was suspended by Miami-Dade County schools because traces of marijuana were found in a plastic baggie in his book bag, family spokesman Ryan Julison said. Martin was serving the suspension when he was shot Feb. 26."

They are trying to kill his reputation? I thought trying to kill someone's reputation would be leaking a story that he had been suspended for marijuana when he had in fact NOT ever been caught with it. News flash for ya Sybrina....if you are that worried about your rep, DO NOT use marijuana. Because once you are caught with it, it ain't no reputation, it is a FACT.

Secondly, how is it ok for them to leak details that the kid was only carrying a cell phone and a bag of Skittles in order to confirm he was not armed and make him not look like the aggressor? How is that ok, but then someone else leaking details on the other side of the story an effort to kill Trayvon's reputation?

Let the system work and then form an opinion and a strategy for remedies. Works most every time....

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Accordging to suggarfoot

All blacks act like those who commit crime. Unfortunately there may be some who believe that - all 'whites' act like those who commit crime. Fortunately, those who have had the opportunity to work with/interact with Americans of all colors, realize that these words do not represent 'truth'. suggarfoot - calling me names has no affect on my view of Fayette County. This is a great place to live!!

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twisting the truth as always to the desired outcome

"According to suggarfoot ...All blacks act like those who commit crime."
I never said such a thing and you know it. Again, your race bating at its best!

I QUOTED and commented on the FACT that was posted by someone else. That Black crime against white is 18 times higher than the other way round. If you don't like the ratio of it, try to do something in your community to change it instead of getting on here and harping day in and day out about race relations being bad and that whitie is at fault.

Everyone has your number and you know it.

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. . and enjoy your life.

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harping day in and day out about race relations being bad and that whitie is at fault.

My telling the truth about the status of race relations in Fayette County - and celebrating the success of our schools and our daily interactions with one another is what I am going to continue to do. What you are trying to do is transparent. What some posted in the paper was not a fact - but the statement of a person who is considered a suspect in a serious crime. No judge will allow Trayvons suspension as relevant information as to what Mr. Zimmerman was thinking at the time of his acknowledged killing of Trayvon. According to records, there are many parents of children in these United States who have had their child suspended because of possessing an illegal substance in school. That is not justification for killing a child.

Now - it's a beautiful day. Enjoy!

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I will ignore you as long as you don't skewer what I say

You don't "celebrate" the race relations in Fayette county. There is not a person on here that would agree with that comment. Someone else called you 'damaged goods' a few days ago. I agree with that. I also agree with the Race whore comment. You look for anything that you can pounce on as far as race and take to your bully pullpit.

The FACT that I was talking about was that there is 18 times more attacks on white by blacks than the other way round. I did not state it was a FACT as to what happened in Fl. I quoted an article that said this is what the guy, Zimmerman, stated. Even the article didn't say it was fact.

I also asked what if we acted the same way? A good question. No answer.

This however, is a story of whites being attacked and what they did.
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Where Were Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson When This Happened?
March 23, 2012

Mob of Black Teens Beats White People at Wisconsin State Fair

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A mob that has been described as dozens to 100 black teenagers ran through the Wisconsin State Fair at closing time last night, beating white people at random.

Witnesses said the group of African-American teenagers ran through the parking lot and banged on cars, attacking only vehicles with white people inside. One witness said the mob pulled a kid from his bike and beat him in the street. Others said the teens looted the Midway games and stole prizes.

“We did make several arrests–under 10, as far as I know,” said Lt. Chad Evenson of the West Allis Police Department.

Two witnesses said the attacks appeared to be racially motivated, although Evenson would not say whether the police department agreed. He also did not know how many people had been hurt.

Here is one harrowing witness account of the rioting:

“I saw them grab this white kid who was probably 14 or 15 years old. They just flung him into the road. They just jumped on him and started beating him. They were kicking him. He was on the ground. A girl picked up a construction sign and pushed it over on top of him. They were just running by and kicking him in the face.”

Then, Eric talked about trying to get out of the car to help the victim.

“My wife pulled me back in because she didn’t want me to get hit. Thankfully, there was surprising a lady that was in the car in front of me that jumped out of the car real quick and went over there to try to put her body around the kid so they couldn’t see he was laying there and, obviously, defenseless. Her husband, or whoever was in the car, was screaming at her to get back into the car. She ended up going back into the car. These black kids grabbed this kid off the ground again, and pulled him up over the curb, onto the sidewalk and threw him into the bushes like he was a piece of garbage.”

Evenson did provide one bit of information that suggests the initial police assessment of the situation was pretty different from the crowd’s: “We only had one rescue squad respond to the area,” he says. “Apparently prior to that, the rescue squad was called off.”

The mob attack is the second that appears to be racially motivated in the Milwaukee area this summer. Over the 4th of July, a group of black teenagers attacked white people at a park in the city’s Riverwest neighborhood and yelled racial taunts at their victims.

Gov. Scott Walker has called in the State Patrol to make sure that Thursday night’s mob attack doesn’t become a repeat event.

Rick Frenette, CEO of the Wisconsin State Fair, also announced changes to the Fair’s attendance policy:

“All youth under the age of 18 years of age will be required to be accompanied by a parent or legal guardian 21 years of age or older to be admitted to the Wisconsin State Fair after 5 p.m.,” Frenette said. “We will not tolerate this behavior at the Wisconsin State Fair again.”

The police chief for the fairgrounds said his officers arrested 24 people–that’s in addition to the fewer than 10 arrested by West Allis cops. Seven State Fair cops were injured in the melee, two of them seriously enough to go to the hospital.
“One of our officers was hit in the face with an improvised weapon. He was hospitalized,” said Tom Streuberg, chief of police for the State Fair. “A second officer was hit in the back of the head. He received a concussion and he was also hospitalized.”

Inside the fairgrounds, the black-against-white dynamic described by patrons just outside the fair did NOT seem to be the case, Streuberg noted.

“Most of the fights that we had were African-Americans fighting with other African-Americans,” Streuberg said. “We did not have any reports of, in our jurisdiction, of any racially-motivated fights. I can’t speak for West Allis or Milwaukee.”

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The oppression that white people experience is terrible sometimes. But we shall overcome.

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Not just whites, Grizz...
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thanks Kcchiefandy

good article. Sad this guy is not still head of the NAACP. I really don't like this jummping on a bandwagon of accusing whites of wrong doing.

I personaly don't own a gun because of just this type of thing. I would shoot someone if attacked. But then it seems Zimmerman was looking for trouble and found it. For that matter, going after Zimmerman in such a way...so was the black kid. They were both probably in the wrong.

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But then it seems Zimmerman was looking for trouble and found it. For that matter, going after Zimmerman in such a way...so was the black kid. They were both probably in the wrong.

From suggarfoot's mouth to fair-thinking citizens ears. What a tragedy.

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I don't know of any 'white' parent who would not be equally affected if their child was killed. The segment of the populace/the segment I'm familiar with - are parents - regardless of color. Should a 'white' president not speak out against this tragedy if his/her child were white? I don't understand anyone thinking that because Obama is black, he should not show his humanity. Just my perspective - and I don't understand some on here making a judgment before the facts are in. The media has already done this situation a disservice by making judgements - and many in the community are doing the same without having all of the facts. Lets see what the Grand Jury says.

I understand that 'white' males may feel threatened by this situation. If a 'black' male had killed Trayvon and had not been arrested/investigated - he would be in a similar situation. A CHILD HAS BEEN KILLED - AND THE PERPETRATOR WAS ALLOWED TO WALK UNDER QUESTIONABLE CIRCUMSTANCES. Some here and elsewhere have already made up their minds that either Trayvon and Zimmerman ARE VICTIMS. WE DON'T KNOW YET! What we know is that a child has been killed under questionable circumstances. It has been determined that the child was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol. The perpetrator was not checked. Let's all be quiet and let an investigation take place and the Grand Jury rule.

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The one thing that bothered me about Obama's statement which I

do not want to quote as I may do so incorrectly, but he referred to the young man looking like him, referencing his black heritage---since Pres. Obama is of mixed heritage ( a white mother), wouldn't the killing of a white child be the same? I know he was getting the point across that a child of his could be killed because he looked black, but what about the white children who are killed because they are white? Don't remember Pres. Obama coming out with a statement at those times. Just wondering---

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but he referred to the young man looking like him, referencing his black heritage---since Pres. Obama is of mixed heritage ( a white mother), wouldn't the killing of a white child be the same?

Come on Mytimite - let's be real. NO ONE WOULD LOOK AT OBAMA OR HIS CHILDREN AND CALL THEM WHITE. That is a realism of American society. There are many in today's America that are of mixed heritage. They are classified by Americans by the way they look - not their DNA. There are many who have trouble calling Mariah Carey 'black' - because she doesn't look 'black. This president can do nothing correct to a certain element of our society - so be it. He's a parent - and as a parent, I understand his pain and appreciate that he can voice what we all feel as parents.. . regardless of color. His point - his son would appear black in a hoodie - and would be suspicious to some. In this case, because of ones suspicions - a black teenager is dead.

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I thought Maria Carey...

...was hispanic! She's really black? Hmm; I also thought she might just be a tanned white woman! Also, more than just 'ones suspicions - a black teenager is dead', omitted is the fact that the neighborhood was suffering from a string of recent criminal activity for which local citizens felt the need to take action to assist the police. The young man unfortunately became a collateral victim in the fight against this criminality and the mindset brought forth by it.

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TO ALL!
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suffering from a string of recent criminal activity for which local citizens felt the need to take action to assist the police.

The 'collateral victim's mother' and the community are also victims of the criminality of home invasion and/or theft. Under our law, an individual who has called the police and been told to stop following a suspect has no right to continue the pursuit with a deadly weapon and kill the person that is suspicious. That's my opinion - and I stand by it! The rest of you can try to make this situation OK for a private citizen under the so-called authority of Neighborhood Watch (which he was not following the dictates of that organization) to kill a 'good thing'. I don't agree. I don't know anymore about the facts than you do - and glad that the community is following the law - and the federal, state, and local authorities are doing the same. IF THE LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD CARRIED OUT A CREDIBLE INVESTIGATION, we would not be in this discussion today. (God, no wonder Kevin has left this discussion) I will continue to express the OPPOSITE POINT OF VIEW in this community. Conservatives and liberals alike are law-abiding.

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Pretty clear what rally you're at, DM!

1. "The 'collateral victim's mother' and the community are also victims of the criminality" - Agreed; never said they weren't.

2. "...an individual who has called the police and been told to stop following a suspect has no right to continue the pursuit with a deadly weapon and kill the person that is suspicious." - Perhaps wiser to listen, but he was under NO legal requirement to stop following, so he DID have a right. The deadly weapon didn't come into play (if we believe the media) until he (Zimmerman) was attacked.

3. "...OK for a private citizen under the so-called authority of Neighborhood Watch (which he was not following the dictates of that organization) to kill a 'good thing'." - Never said it was; poor judgement, IMHO, but again his action(s) were not illegal.

4. "...IF THE LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD CARRIED OUT A CREDIBLE INVESTIGATION," - Did they not, and determine - under the law in question - that Zimmerman was defending himself (broken nose, blood/grass stains on back, etc...)? This is just what I've read, but you might have evidence to something different.

5. You're 'opposite' to the view of citizens using & expressing their rights? Isn't that what civil rights is all about?

***DISCLAIMER: All statements factual in nature in above comments are subject to the verifibility of said facts from public and private media sources.***

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Not at a rally

Just waiting for the facts - and the truth. Where are you?

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The facts...

...hopefully get to the Grand Jury soon so this issue can run its due course. Either way, 2 lives have been irrevocably changed forever (if not more, if you count the families).

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Media Narrative on the whole case

With the media in full-spin mode, this image is interesting:

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=Wax&sa=X&rls=org....

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NUK, I find THIS interesting...

...2 apt. complex security guards gun down an unarmed, 18 yr. old male for 'agressively approaching them'; they haven't been arrested for it as of yet. Will the Sharpton/Jackson road show address this one?

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/police-arrest-security-guards-accused-sho...

Sad, but in the end seems little different than the event in Florida...

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KC Andy & Security Guards

They have been arrested but not for the shooting. You say "little different"--c'mon Andy, you see their photos?

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