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Mitt appears to be soaring as Gingrich's South Carolina momentum crumbles again under the assault of Mitt's money and his allies. The Party people are so horrified that Gingrich might get the nomination that they rounded up the long knives for the fight. Anne Coulter, Drudge, Elliot Abrams, Emmett Tyrrell, Bob Dole, Tom DeLay and other establishment Republicans had to take a number to get in line to trash Newt:

Romney seems like he is going to stomp Newt in Florida, by far the toughest, most expensive state so far with ten media markets. It looks like a double digit defeat for Newt but so what? A loss is not enough to make Newt pull out and the race then goes into a month of caucus states. Romney could be perceived as vulnerable again if he doesn't do well in every state. In any event, all delegates are allocated proportionally until April 1 which is almost a month after Super Tuesday. Why get out before then? They're just racking up delegates as bargaining chips; win, lose or draw.

We seem to be destined to be treated to at least two more months of Newt and Mitt flaying each other with millions and millions of dollars worth of vicious attack ads. Let's hope they can keep it up all the way to the convention. Given enough damage, the Dems might have a chance to take back the House.

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Obama - Net Job LOSS

Poor Obama - He just can't get anything right. Just today he claimed that his administration created 22 million jobs. What a clown - It would be funny if it weren't so sad. He uses job gains but excludes job losses (i.e. net job creation). But he knows the leftwing corrupt media won't call him on it.
Fact: President Obama is on track to become the first president in the modern era to preside over a net loss of jobs. A devastating historical first.

He is currently down 1.8 million jobs. To get even by election day the economy would need to create 180,00 jobs per month, every month, from January through October. Ain't happening.

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Obama - Job performance

Just a thought, Barack Hussein Obama became Jimmy Carter faster than Jimmy Carter became Jimmy Carter. Now that's gotta put ol Jimmy's mind at ease.

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Reasons for Job loss

I've said this before. The Government does not create jobs. They create an environment that allows companies to flourish and grow thereby creating jobs. But I will agree that the Obama administration has done a poor job of this. If you look at the jobs being created the income generation of these "new" jobs is well below what it used to be. While Obama did not set the current tax rate, his plan to tax the rich and spread the wealth sound good until the rich start leaving the US and taking their jobs with them. At the current time the US charges the second highest corporate tax rate at 35%. Only Japan is higher at 39.5%. But then we here in the good ole US also charge a State tax rate that ranges up to another 10%. Add all of the regulations that we impose and is it any wonder our corporations leave? At this rate all of our kids had better get used to asking "Want fires with that?"

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There are your jobs grizz

Well, 243,000 of them. With the definite trend downward in unemployment, Obama is going to campaign on the improving economy in the face of Republican intransigence, populist class warfare, and his strong foreign policy and national security record.

It's looking a lot better for Obama.

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You're right Jeff

Trillions of dollars tend to show up sometime and don't forget....

he has a billion of his own to buy votes and tell his version of reality, his vision.

Now it's up to the Forgotten Man to pay for all of it.

Obama wins in 2012 for sure, the money says so.

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JeffC

Are you daft?

First NET JOB LOSS by a Potus in history.

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Daft grizz?

The Obama team will counter that they were losing 750,000 jobs a month when they came in and they stopped the fall and turned it around. They'll have the charts and graphs too.

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Jeff you're right again!

Now let's use some basic math, let's see, divide 5 Trillion by 250,000.

What do you get?

Bankruptcy

Basic political math, you make the charts and graphs.

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PTCO

You are one cynical dude. If we meet, I'll give you a pair of my rose colored glasses. I've got spares.

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JeffC, it’s understandable why the conservatives are so

irritable. After all those years of dedication to the Teaparty, complaining about “wall street bailouts” and “professional politicians,” the most likely choices for GOP Presidential candidates are Mitt Romney, (a guy from wall street,) and Newt Gingrich, (a professional Washington politician.) Heh, heh!

The GOP establishment is playing the Teaparty like they played the religious right all these years. String them along with a promise they never mean to keep. Take them out around election time, stir them up with some right wing gibberish, and send them to the polls. The stealing can go on forever.

BTW, if you got a spare, I'll take a pair of those rose colored glasses if PTC0 don't take 'em!

! - )

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the most likely choices for GOP Presidential candidates are Mitt Romney, (a guy from wall street,))

Obama 2012 Campaign Receives More Wall Street Donations Than All GOP Candidates Combined

Gort wrote:

and Newt Gingrich, (a professional Washington politician.)

Compared to a professional "Community Organizer" that wants to "Spread the Wealth".

Obama is trying to play the bedwetting liberals like he played them in 2008. String them along with meaningless phrases like "hope and change". Take them out around election time, stir them up with some left wing class warfare, and send them to the polls. The stealing can go on forever.

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Hey Joe, if you want to be a GOP Teaparty stooge

it’s okay with me. In fact, I think you personify the image of a GOP stooge with most of what you write on the blogs.

After all these years of the Teaparty pretending to be pure and true to their ideals, I just find it, ah,..interesting, Mitt and Newt are the two most likely GOP Presidential candidates.

From my cul-de-sac here in Coweta County I think the voters are leaning toward Newt Getrich. I say that because so many people removed the lanterns from their lawn jockey’s raised hand and replaced it with a toilet brush!

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Keep it up Gort

You brought up the "Wall Stree Bailouts" and then turn a blind eye when the facts about Pepuce Obama's ties to wall street are thrown back at you.

Obama has proven to be a Socialist with a capital S and is campaigning on class warfare and division. He is the most polarizing president in American history. Meanwhile, more jobs have been lost under his watch than have been gained, a record number of people are on food stamps. He is the FOOD STAMP President.

You can't defend his record, and so all you can do is bash the opposition. Good luck with that, Jagoff.

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Hey Joe, and ‘Mr. I’ll Fix

Hey Joe, and ‘Mr. I’ll Fix It,’ Mitt Romney would do for the USA what Frank Lorenzo did for Eastern Airlines.

Newt Getrich and his big ideas would bring his corrupt practices, crybaby attitude, and hair trigger tongue to the WH.

Sorry but no thank you.

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It is truly sad that in this beautiful country of ours, there

are really no candidates for office that we can feel great about. It is a sad state of affairs where we end up voting for the one we think will do the least damage. We really need to find a way to turn all of this around. Regardless where your loyalties lie--Dem or Rep--it is reprehensible that so many millions are spent by candidates and the thinly veiled PACS. Every time I read the figures I can't help but wonder what all this money could do if it was put to good use instead of being used to buy air space to deride each other--especially when one finally wins they will do everything but kiss and the loser will extol the many charms of the winner--makes me gag. I also have to wonder why the candidates are so willing to spend millions for a position that does not pay all well. Vanity, ego, or something else? We need to get rid of PACS, lobbyists and all the other impediments to a legitimate election and an honestly run House and Senate. But this will never happen when you have the wolves voting on whether or not to close the hen house door. There needs to be change for the better or we are really a doomed nation.

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MYTMITE, You Been Eating Too Many

collards! The nation ain't doomed! You just been eating too many collards and watching the news too much. Do what I did--get rid of the TV, cancel your newspaper and magazine subscriptions, and stop eating collards! You are sure to feel better about life. Don't fall into the woe is us morass! Don't give up on the great US of A! Too many have fallen to preserve our freedoms! As you can see, eating collards makes one unpatriotic! Spring is nigh!

Vote No On Collard Eaters!

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Ninja, if I ever ate collards I might be able to cure all our

troubles in a nanosecond--have never eaten collards and probably never will. I have not given up on the USA, just the people who are bringing us down. I think of all those who have fallen and how so many times it was for naught. About reading those papers--maybe you are partly right. Was upset when I first read about that embassy in Iraq--then today the powers to be mention that maybe it is time to cut it down in size--after the millions to build it (which was ridiculous to begin with--), the number of people we have over there to keep it going and the amount it takes yearly to keep it up---can't even make my fingers type in those figures---think what we could have done with and can do with all that money right here. Eventually, the Iraquis will take it over, probably by force, or will blow it up along with our people who are still there. Who comes up with these ideas? Is it any wonder we are in the position we are in? Come to think of it Ninja, I may just run out to my friendly neighborhood store and buy me a 'mess' of them there collards!

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MYTMITE

You'll be doing yourself a favor by cooking up a mess of collards for yourself because our friend AtHomeGym still consumes them for brain food. He does this due to his North Carolina heritage requires that he supplement his mental acumen from time to time:-)

As far as Iraq goes, we simply need to line up enough tankers to bring us 2-3 Trillion in crude to repay the blood and treasure expended for their benefit.

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MK & Collards

Wrongo! I do not eat collards--go back and you will see where I said that I underwent a forced overdose in childhood and therefore refuse to eat them! Mustard greens/Turnip greens----oh yeah! And cabbage too, but not collards. Kale will pass the taste test occasionally!

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AHG, just saw your reply to Mike after I replied--cancel that

order of collards. If you don't like them I probably won't either--and you sure don't need any brain food--from your postings you are doing fine without collards. I love cabbage, especially cooked with potatoes and carrots and a good ham hock or two--haven't had for a while as I am trying to cut down on my consumption of meat--but now you have my mouth watering and that might bring on a trip to the cabbage patch or at least the nearest produce dept in the nearest grocery. Would be great in this weather--and great pot likker for sopping! With a little bit of effort I can learn to be a deep south southerner--am definitely from the south--just not the deep variety...but those dyed in the wool southerners sure know how to cook. Biscuits and gravy--yum, good mac and cheese, double yum---now you see why I am making an effort to stay away from all those goodies--too habit forming--but oh, so good.

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Like that is going to happen--the tankers lining up to bring us

2-3 trillion in crude. Sadly, there is not enough crude or anything else to repay the blood expended by our young men and women who had the courage to go where our politicians (or very few) have had. As for the treasure, it would be nice--but don't think it's gonna happen.

As to the collards and At HomeGym, are you suggesting that I need brain food? LOL. I am sure I do, so maybe I will have to go out and get me enough for at least one meal or maybe I can get AHG to cook up a pot for me. Guess if I don't like the collards I might go for the pot likker--I usually like anything I can sop up with bread.

Giving our next coffee any thought? And, where is Kevin the Great these days??

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MYTMITE, AHG

No suggestion intended, well except for giving my pal Gym a nudge. My better half has figured it easier to get me to eat collards than that seaweed looking stuff called kale.

Haven't seen or heard from Hack since he decided to move on.

What would you think of a Saturday, Feb 18th? The last get together was in PTC, so Fayetteville would be my choice. Any ideas?

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Did I miss something? When did Hack decide to move on--must have

been when I out of town. Did he move on-move on or just decide to stop blogging? Sure miss him, if he is checking out the site from time to time and just not blogging, I hope he will decide to meet us for cofee or whatever. Right now Saturday the 18th sounds great to me. Where in Fayetteville? Day? Evening? I am open to all suggestions--well, that didn't come out just right--any suggestions as to where, when and what time we will get together for coffee or whatever---

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Kevin

Far as I know, he is back in Enid Okla, working with those UAF Reserves at that AF Base there and flying Delta when scheduled. Hey,he's a big boy, he can do as he likes.

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Yep, he is a big boy but I miss his blogging.

Hope he is doing great and enjoying himself.

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Mytmite & Kevin

He stopped by my house to deliver a BBQ/Slaw sandwich he got in NC while visiting his parents--what service! He was driving an F150 his Father turned over to him when he got a new truck and was on his way to Birmingham, from where he would depart the next day to return to Okla.

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That was nice of him--know you enjoyed that sandwich----

if yu hear from him again tell him I said Hello. He's a nice guy with great sense of humor.

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Gort - You

You are so right about this but it's not a one party robbery.

BTW, Jeff needs those rose colored glasses, if he ever takes them off he will be a very, very worried guy. He needs to play in his world of illusions.

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PTC_0, after it’s all said and done

you still have to go into the voting booth and vote for someone. I bet you face the same dilemma I do, (but come to a different conclusion of course.)

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Gort - My time machine

that Ninja talks about is the voting booth, I always write in George Washington's name. Something Ninja knows nothing about as a foreign national. ;-)

In any event, none of if makes a difference both parties are leading to the same dead end.

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PTC_0, not me, no protest

PTC_0, not me, no protest vote for me. Only well healed philosopher types can afford the luxury to vote like that.

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Jeff C, PTCO Is Not Cynical

He is a guru--safely sitting in his temple on Mt. DoDo! He disassociates himself from anything real and tangible by making lofty and often incoherent proclamations about anything and everything! In his spare time, he works on making a time machine to return to 1789!

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JeffC - Cynical

I suppose you might consider me so, but there are some that consider me a realist.

Democracies never last Jeff....call it human nature, self-interest, or the sin in believing we can get something for nothing. Democracies fail because the citizens discover they have the keys to the treasury. $15 Trillion and counting Jeff.

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Cynical and the Single Bondholder!

Y'all doomsdayers think just because the government has run up a huge debt means it will collapse and disappear like the Mayan civilization or the USFL or something! What happens is, like in Greece, if worse comes to worse the bondholders take a haircut of 50% or so, the country gets its fiscal house in decent order, and after a time investors line up again to buy government bonds all over again! The only bad scenario is when the bondholders get their way and impose 'austerity' measures on the nation in question, which kills employment, tax receipts, and investment. Lots of governments have defaulted over the years and yet we keep marching forward, not backward to some pie-in-the-sky notions about 1789! Germany was bombed back to the stone age and defaulted on all its debts just over 60 years ago, and look at them now--they have medical care for everyone and lots of other good stuff that people want and need! People, life is about the future, not the past! The USA as we know it may well disappear at some point, but it will be for the better and not the worse! Just watch the Super Bowl tomorrow and you will see what humankind is capable of at its best! Superhuman athletes competing on the world stage, entertainment by the world's top performers, and TV commercials created just for you! If Nietzshe had ever seen the Super Bowl, he would not have been so taciturn and gone crazy! Celebrate life ya'll--not doom and gloom brought to you by certain bloggers! We will be okay!

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Ninja - I am

so relieved, thanks for this uplifting run-on paragraph about how lenders, pension funds, seniors, and a whole raft of people who invested in America and its future....will just have to take a "haircut". Simply because politicians could buy votes with the Forgotten Man's money.

In the end Ninja it's about the Wealth of Nations and how much poorer we will ultimately be as a nation. Not withstanding your glib humor, we collectively are in serious trouble, that means the world is in trouble.

Are you in some way related to Nero?

Enjoy your government funded Super Bowel, Pats by 27!

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PTCO, Companies Default

on their debts all the time! What do you say to those bondholders! Sorry, that's the way the market works! Government is a product of the market Mr. Guru! It didn't just fall out of your mother ship and hit us on the head!

More pinto beans and collards for you!

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Ninja - Bulletin!

Countries also default, when they do nothing but bad things can happen, including wars, plagues, and death....you know the three horsemen.

As to companies, if you buy bonds in companies that are risky then you get paid a commiserate interest for that risk. If they default, then that's the market and that's the risk you voluntary took.

When a country defaults, it defaults using someone else's money taken either by force of law or by devalued money or both. Where the heck do you think countries get their money to run deficit budgets and buy other countries debt? Do you not believe those people (governments) should get their money back with interest? Either way it's not the market working but politicians and their cronies that benefit in the short term.

Eventually, Ninja we all go down with the ship, including you and your kids.

Get use to pinto beans and collards Ninja that's all any of us will be able to eat one day.

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In other words

they will twist the numbers and lie as democrats normally do. Nothing new there.

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The Birther Movement

Just might be encouraged to demand to see Romney's mothers medical records - since his father was born in a foreign country. By the time the Republicans completely destroy one another - I think we may have a Congress that will function for the America people rather than political parties. Hopefully.

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Oh I doubt it DM

Once Newt and Mit get through then it's Obama's turn and he can not stand on his record soooo.......

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Donald Trump is going to endorse!

Newt vows to slog on; as do Santorum and Paul, but it's not looking good for him. On the other hand, he probably has nothing else to do. As long as Sheldon Adelson is paying for a private jet, why not ride the wave? I suspect that Newt is committed all the way down until he's riding in Delta coach then it's time to make a deal and get out. If Mr. Adelson has something specific against Romney's Israel policy he'll keep funding Newt. He is a renown philanthropist, having donated hundreds of millions of dollars to Israeli charities, and has very strong views on issues concerning Israel, with which Newt has strongly aligned himself. Newt's campaign has come down to whether Adelson has some bone to pick with Romney. Or maybe not. The $10 million Adelson has given Newt for SC and FL is not quite a week's income and he may very well be willing to toss any amount into the race. Ask the people who breed the horses for the Kentucky Derby, the bigger the race, the more fun it is to own a contender.

So Donald Trump has assessed the situation and promises an earth shaking announcement tomorrow. Since it is now mathematically impossible for a new entrant to be eligible for enough delegates to win, filing deadlines having passed, the Donald is probably going to endorse instead of jumping into the race but you never can tell. Predicting the outcome of the intersection of Donald Trump's thinking and reality is a specialty best left to professionals but I'm predicting an endorsement. Why anyone would possibly care is beyond me but such is the state of the Republican Party at this point in time.

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JeffC - Mr. Romney

will run against Mr. Obama and Mr. Obama will win......it's all about ego, money and institutional power.

All of the rest of it is comedy in the classical sense.

There is no mystery in presidential politics, so don't make it more complicated than it really is.

Thanks

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Well just rain all over my parade PTCO

The minutiae has to be finely ground and sifted in with the sands of history.

Otherwise, I'm left with only "Mitt wins the nomination" and nothing else to say until June.

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JeffC - You

are not alone. There's a whole industry geared to pontificating about the politically obvious fact that money is power and power is money.

As far as history is concerned our current corrupted political elite could take some lessons from the French Revolution and its culmination in Robespierre's Comité de salut public. It is politicians, banksters and their capitalist cronies that are getting rich at the expense of the masses. It can't go on forever. Centralized power corrupts, it always has and it always will.

Let them eat cake, right Jeff?

Let's vote for individual liberty and against more consolidation of power.

If you want to pontificate, pontificate on this, not the political obvious.

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Jeff C, Like I Said

It's 1789 or bust for PTCO! No sullying his hands with living in the here and now!

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Ninja - You seem

obsessed with good ole PTCO. Speaking of the here and now Ninja, Pats by 12.

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JeffC - Newt's chances

The Donald does love attention doesn't he? As for Newt's chances I think he needs to call Santorum and make a deal. Offer Rick the VP position if Newt wins the nomination on the condition that Santorum drops out now. Newt and Rick are fighting for the same block of votes and as long as those people are divided into two camps Romney will win with ease.

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A Santorum deal

Santorum's people are strong that this is their chance, Newt having crashed in Florida which Santorum more or less skipped. They like the caucus setups and think it's possible to show some strength without having to fund millions and millions buying media like in Florida. I would be very surprised if Santorum got out before the caucus states vote, then it's only a week before Super Tuesday March 6 (when Georgia votes). Proportional allocation of delegates until April 1st... why get out?

Only 5% of the delegates have been selected after Florida. Newt and Santorum can make the same deal in a month or six weeks. I think Santorum is not going to be interested in a deal until he's convinced that he isn't the one who should be offering it instead of accepting it. Don't you think Santorum sees his position as better after Florida because Newt got beat by such a huge margin that now Santorum becomes the de facto anti-Romney candidate?

You are absolutely right. Because they both stay in and divide the vote, Romney wins but there's time for support for Newt or Santorum to be settled amongst the conservatives and a consolidated challenge to Mitt to be staged.

It will be delightfully vicious, full of character assassination. Have you seen Newt's Super PAC's new anti-Romney video "Blood Money"? Whoa! Coming to Georgia soon. After all, we are the biggest Super Tuesday prize. We're going to be inundated starting soon.

I want it to go all the way to the convention.

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It really matters not

Once this all gets settled out and the RNC turns its bloody stained hands on Obama, do you really believe that he can stand on his record?

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Of course SL

Why not? bin Laden is dead and GM is alive, unemployment is headed in the right direction, the economy is picking up.

Of course, he'll couple it with running against the Rs record of obstruction and fiscal insanity from Bush's recession to the destruction of a trillion dollars of Americans wealth when the TEAs tried to let the US default and S&P downgraded the country's credit.

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I think Slindesy Was Referring To The

Al Green record. It sounded pretty good to me. Better than most on Idol!

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Oh yeah his record I forgot...

A Healthcare takeover done without the Republicans while most of the Country didn't want it then and does not now.

A Government takeover of Private industry.. BTW GM's signature car the VOLT sucks and cannot sustain itself in sells without Government subsidies.

A bailout to Wall street and btw-GM while losing $128 Billion of Taxpayers money..

Bad Loans/Investments (sic) i.e.. Solyndra.. another $500 Million thrown away... Brazil $2 Billion gone.

Broken Promises.. Transparency, 72 hours before a bill is passed, Gitmo, Patriot Act just to name a few.

Extreme increases in the debt. In his own words..

"The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents — #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic." and what is it today?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

At the end of Bush's Presidency the National Debt was $9,369,998,225. Now remember Jeff that was after 8 YEARS.

Today it is $15,311,115,300 I think that is higher after 3 YEARS of Obama then after 8 years of Bush almost $6 Trillion higher Jeff AND that's before Healthcare cost goes into effect after 2013.

Also Obama said it was Unpatriotic for every man woman and child to owe $30,000.

Today that number is....Drum roll please..... $48,920.00 Yep that's higher too.

btw- On that jobs recovery.. Funny how to get that number the BLS had to remove 1.2 million people from the unemployed roles in January as "those no longer looking" so they don't count.

Seems kinda strange according to BLS raw numbers before seasonal "adjustments" 1.3 Million in December were unemployed and 1.2 million in January, but yet we added 230,000???

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

That chart from the end of 2008 to today tells all you need to know about Obama's success or lack thereof... All downward.

Now let's see.. 63.7% of all eligible workers in America are employed the lowest ever and 47+ million Americans are now on Food Stamps the highest ever.

Yeah those numbers are good....rrrighttt.....

Personally Jeff I think Obama should just keep a promise for a change.

“I will be held accountable,” Obama said. “I’ve got four years and … A year form now, I think people are going to see that we’re starting to make some progress, but there’s still going to be some pain out there … If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

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SLindsey, I know it must

SLindsey, I know it must break your heart but the economy is improving.

If you don’t believe me, ask Mitt Romney.

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Gort voodoo economics and sham reports

do not mean the economy is improving. It is rebounding right now and I hope it continues...BUT...exactly what policies of this Government has helped it do so?

It is more the testament of the resiliency of our Economy then any action of Government.

In fact in spite of the actions of this Government our Economy is still rolling albeit sluggishly, as the American Entrepreneur attempts to find nuggets of Gold in the piles of crap Government keeps shoveling down on us.

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SLindsey, Voodoo economics is

SLindsey, Voodoo economics is the description for Republican “Supply Side Economic” policies.

http://www.merge-left.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/trickle-down.jpg

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Sorry you guys don't own the dictionary

so it applies to this administrations action quiet well.

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SLindsey, neither do you and

SLindsey, neither do you and no matter how much you pretend you can’t get away from the fact that it was Republican policies that put the country in the largest recession since the Great Depression.

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Really Gort Republicans alone voted for all that spending

and voted by themselves for those wars??..... Really. What are you..daft?

No Gort it was Progressives and Progressive policies... Yes that does happen to include Republicans.

So let's review what happened.

What was the single most destructive or damaging thing that happened to push our economy over the edge?

Would you agree it was the Housing Bubble bursting that did more to disrupt the economy then any thing else?

Now who was it that said nothing was wrong over at Frannie and Freddie and in fact ran interference for them?

Oh right.. Chris Dodd and Barney Franks.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020363310457662308343739614...

So who was really driving that train wreck Gort?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

Rhetoric is easy... Facts are hard.

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SLindsey, actually I blame

SLindsey, actually I blame special interest stuffing money into all politicians’ hands the most. They call it free speech, I call it bribery. A close second is the Republican Party and its policies. They have never done anything to help the working man. I don’t claim the Democratic Party is blameless but I will say they are not out to punish us working stiffs either.

IMHO the GOP establishment is playing the Teaparty like they played the religious right all these years. String them along with promises they never mean to keep. Take them out around election time, stir them up with some right wing gibberish, and send them to the polls.

Are you still working on that Teaparty thing? If you are, that makes you’re just one of their performing seals. Now clap you flippers and bark for the GOP.

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Rhetoric and blah..blah...blah Gort

Gort exactly what has the Democrats done for the "Working man" and what has the Republicans not done?

If you mean handouts and entitlement programs.. you do know that the "working man" generally does not receive them right?

Take the recent "Tax break" from your beloved Democrats..

First, all that was done was allow you NOT to pay into your Social Security fund for 2-3 months.. How was that a tax break? You borrowed from your future benefits for a gain today. Then they added a tax to all Fannie and Freddie guaranteed home loans, which is almost everyone now, of $15.00 per MONTH.

So your vaunted Democrats gave you $250.00 of YOUR OWN MONEY then back-doored you with a Tax of $9500.00 for your home loan.

Oh yeah Gort the Democrats just love the "Working Man". They love his taxes that is...

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SLindsey, I don't see you

SLindsey, I don't see you defending the point that you're just a puppet shill for millionaires. Can't can you? Heh, heh, heh. Or did I miss it?

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Absolutely right Gort

The Ds have always represented working people and the Rs have always represented the monied interest. The religious right and the Koch brothers funded TEA Party have just been their useful idiots.

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...and the Democrats are the useful idiots of Buffet and Soros.

When is a Tax Break not a Tax Break?

When it is borrowed from your own future and then taxed every year you own a home.

Yeah those big hearted Democrats sure know how to look after the "Working Stiff".

BTW Jeff- Who benefits from the Keystone Project cancellation?

Not the "Working Class" was it?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/24/buffett-would-profit-key...

"Mr. Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway Inc. owns Burlington Northern Santa Fe LLC, which is among the railroads that would transport oil produced in western Canada if the pipeline isn’t built."

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Always is a long time, Jeffe

If the Republican Party always represented monied interests how do you explain the freeing of the slaves thing back when that Lincoln fellow was President?

Or if the Dems have always represented working people - what about that slavery thing? Or what about the civil rights thing? How did those party line votes go back in the 1960's?

Dem Dems have a problem looming and it is not about party philosophy. It is about weak leadership driven by union thugs and envirowhackos and baby killers. When you lose the Catholic vote over overreaching and the union vote over a pipeline, you be toast. Unless of corse the voters are dumb as a rock, which changes things.

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And what do you got, ‘Mr. I’ll Fix It,’ Mitt Romney!

He would do for the USA what Frank Lorenzo did for Eastern Airlines.

‘Mr. big ideas’ Newt Getrich? He would bring his corrupt practices, crybaby attitude, and hair trigger tongue to the WH.

The Republican party of today would make Lincoln puke!

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Gort - the Democratic Party of today

If JFK were alive he would be a Republican because your party is not the party he was a part of! It all changed in 1964/65!

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Dondol, I guess it’s possible

but only if JFK got Alzheimer’s or some other brain disease first.

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Yep, his record SL
S. Lindsey wrote:

BUT...exactly what policies of this Government has helped it do so?

It's Obama's American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 stimulus just like Keynes explained. It would have been a lot quicker if the Republicans had not obstructed every aspect of its implementation.

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Lets review this JeffC

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 was introduced in the House on January 26, 2009 and signed by the President and became the law of the realm on February 29 2009. How much "quicker" do you want?

Oh yes, it was truly an outstanding example of Keynes. I mean where else can the "guv" invest taxpayer money on things such as teaching South African men how to wash their genitalia or studying male homosexuality in Vietnam. it's bad enough that this money was spent but if it was really truly needed it should went to the those in real need in this country.

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Quiet right cyclist

maybe Jeff can get us all a good deal on those Rose colored glasses he is wearing these days.

The funny thing is many now say it was not enough.. if they had of just spent a Trillion or two then it would have all come out ok by now.

I am sure there are some "deserving" monks in Mongolia that need to learn how to properly prepare Yak.

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Cyclist

Another point of view of the use of the American Recovery and Investment Funds

https://www.pccy.org/userfiles/file/ChildCare/ARRAFundsSettoExpireIn2012...

Some states used the funds to the advantage of their citizens. Others referred to the genitals of citizens of another country - to make Americans feel that they didn't need help. (Georgia 48 out of 50 in academic achievement) Go figure.

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Oh Jeff one thing more....

When TARP was passed who controlled the White House?
Who controlled the Senate?
Who controlled the House?

Ding...ding...ding... you got it Democrats.

So just how much obstruction did the Republicans really do? President Obama got Tarp 1 and Tarp 2, Healthcare, GM bailout and Wall Street bailouts? So tell us again how the Republicans where the party of "NO". I need a good chuckle this morning.

btw- Didn't Keynes also say it was not enough that it was underfunded? Why is it when another Progressive Government program fails i.e. Educational system it's always"underfunded" You guys controlled all levels of Government so who's fault was it exactly that you only had $785 BILLION dollars to play with?

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Wrong again SL

Just for the record, TARP was signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008. The Wall Street Bailout, by which I assume you mean the $29 billion spent to keep Bear Sterns from collapsing, was done in March of 2008, also under Bush.

The point is that Obama is going to campaign on the economy improving and the efforts by the Republicans to stymie the successful economic stimulus. Many on this site seem incredulous to the idea of Obama campaigning on the economy but conservative strategist and media have already started a campaign of suggesting that the BLS unemployment statistics are somehow being nefariously manipulated, without, of course, a single shred of proof. It just shows how terrified the Republican Party people are that the economy is improving.

If unemployment falls below 8%, Obama is a winner against Romney.

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Just Bush huh..Jeff?

http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/09/news/economy/TARP_extended/

"WASHINGTON (CNNMoney.com) -- The controversial $700 billion federal bailout program will be extended through Oct. 3, 2010, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said Wednesday."

I am not sure Bush was President in 2010.. Could be wrong.. but somehow I doubt.

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Just correcting your errors SL

Of course I never said it was "just Bush" but I understand it's easier to respond to something I never said that to refute the facts.

And the TARP extension you cite was not what we were talking about was it?

S. Lindsey wrote:

Oh Jeff one thing more....
When TARP was passed who controlled the White House?
... you got it Democrats.

Wrong.

You also blamed Obama for the Wall Street Bailout and for the GM Bailout.

S. Lindsey wrote:

President Obama got Tarp 1 and Tarp 2, Healthcare, GM bailout and Wall Street bailouts.

It was Bush who implemented the original TARP program in October 2008. The Wall Street Bailout was done in March 2008. The GM Bailout was authorized by the Treasury on December 19, 2008.

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Jeff has Obama spent more then Bush just answer please.

Agreed Bush signed into law TARP one and the Bank bailout. This was what started the Teaparty... BUT...He voted for it.. He continued it and Stim 1 also known as TARP 2 was his as well. That was what I was talking about.

GM is his... Wall Street Bailouts were also his...

"Our most urgent task upon taking office was to shore up the same banks that helped cause this crisis. It was not easy to do. And if there's one thing that has unified Democrats and Republicans, and everybody in between, it's that we all hated the bank bailout. I hated it--I hated it. You hated it. It was about as popular as a root canal.
But when I ran for President, I promised I wouldn't just do what was popular--I would do what was necessary. And if we had allowed the meltdown of the financial system, unemployment might be double what it is today. More businesses would certainly have closed. More homes would have surely been lost.
So I supported the last administration's efforts to create the financial rescue program. And when we took that program over, we made it more transparent and more accountable. And as a result, the markets are now stabilized, and we've recovered most of the money we spent on the banks."
Obama

So Jeff Obama wasn't for it or responsible at all?

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C'mon S.Lindsey

Bed-wetting Libs like JeffC have to have it both ways.

Anything B-b-b-b-b-Bush did = BAD
Anything Obama does = GOOD (even if Bush is responsible for it)

Bed-wetters like Jeff are idealogue hypcrites.

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President Bush and his

President Bush and his Republican cronies started the fire. It was left to President Obama to put the fire out and start rebuilding.

It cost more to put fires out and rebuild.

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it's always the republicans fault.

I find it funny how it always is the republican's fault for everything according to Democrats. Listening to some of you, it's the Republicans fault that this winter has been extremely mild, the school system is broke, and why Starbucks screwed up my coffee this morning. I wonder if kids can use that excuse when they don't want to do their homework. Obviously, it is the republicans fault they would rather go out and play then do their homework.

It's time you Democrats stopped playing the blame and realize that you are just as much to blame as the Republicans for this mess.

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It's The Fault of the Collard Eaters!

Snow Bunny, its not a Repub-Dem issue anymore. It's the collard eaters versus the non-collard eaters! Non-collard eaters are more open-minded than collard eaters in my vast experience. The Dem/Repub labels have no meaning anymore.

BTW, is Ukraine a collard-eating nation?!

Giants win as I had predicted, of course!

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Ninja, next time you get a

Ninja, next time you get a chance, give those greens a try.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZEB3FxLj6I

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Ninja, Pinto Beans & Collards

Don't have any of those, but today, got some of Rick Minter's fresh Turnip Greens, Mustard Greens, & some Turnips, plus 2 fresh Cabbages! He had Collards but I have an aversion to those, having overdosed (forced) with those during childhood!

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AHG, What's The Difference

between collards and turnip greens! Just the texture, right? Did you overcome your collard overdose in Germany by eating kraut?!

Giants by 3 over the Pats! Brady gets knocked around!

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Sorry to disappoint, but there is substantial difference. I am having smoked turkey with collard greens for dinner tonight(another Scots-Irish trait of mine). First, one has to have the know how to prepare collards, but since my spouse is of Carolina stock there's no worry. The secret has something to do with pork and seasoning.

Pats by eight with Manning trying to imitate Fran Tarkenton.

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MK and The Collard Greens of Love!

I am happy to hear that you have coupled with another of Scots-Irish stock! We would not want those genes spreading around too far and wide now! Best to keep them in the family!

I have seen turnip greens and collards cooked and uncooked up close, but have yet to let them touch my delicate international palate for fear of damaging my taste buds beyond repair! All I can tell is that you place both in a pot and then boil until eatable, however long that is!

Are you saying pork cannot enter the same pot as turnip greens?! Is that some kind of Jewish Scots-Irish culinary law?!

Brady is the one that will be doing the Tarkenton imitation as he will be scrambling for his life from the Giants front four!

Giants by 3!

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Pork is the key mein freund, for both! My spouse hails from pure Welsh ancestry. Got to keep those foreigners close, you know.

Beer says Pats prevail!

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Ninja, collards & greens in Deutschland

Different taste between collards & turnip greens. In Germany, I ate Pferde Wurstchen mit Gruenkohl, which is similar to Kale.

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A Healthcare takeover done without the Republicans while most of the Country didn't want it then and does not now.

Oh are you in for a surprise! According to some, don't repeal it - improve it! (And thank heavens we have it!). LOL!

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No surprise DM

"Fifty-two percent (52%) of Likely U.S. Voters at least somewhat favor repeal of the health care law, with 39% who Strongly Favor it. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 41% are opposed to repeal, including 30% who are Strongly Opposed." Rasmussen Jan 23 ,2012

Who do you think will be surprised DM?

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Who do you think will be surprised DM?

The republicans who participate in the Rasmussen surveys. LOL

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