Fiddling while America burns

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Count me as a conservative pleased at the results of the recent election, but fully expecting to be disappointed by my own Republican Party.

How many struggles between Republicans and Democrats will be over foundation issues that really matter? Who will take up the cause of regaining control over a bloated and arrogant federal government that uses the fig leaf of the Commerce Clause to justify reaching into every crevice of our lives? Who will champion returning the federal government to the constraints of its enumerated powers in the constitution? Probably nobody.

Will anyone in Congress acknowledge they operate like hogs at a bottomless trough, that deficit spending should be unlawful with rare exceptions and that their deal-making and infighting should be on priorities and allocation of only the money we have and no more? I seriously doubt it.

While battling to repeal parts of Obamacare, will anyone try to repeal Medicare part D, the prescription drug program brought to life by President Bush, funded with money we do not have? Of course not; an existing entitlement lives forever.

For decades Congress has raided the Social Security surplus to feed their current spending habits and refused to upset voters by confronting the fiscal train wreck approaching the system, a disaster made worse by their theft. What are the chances Congress will suddenly develop the courage and responsibility to leave the surplus untouched and make the hard decisions required to keep Social Security viable? Somewhere between slim and none.

What about the current Congressional dustup over the egregious practice of earmarks? While some wrap themselves in the virtue of temporarily suspending the practice of carving out pork for a member’s pet projects, others argue the dollars involved are negligible compared to non-discretionary spending.

I think both sides miss the point. Congress needs to radically change its culture of trading favors and siphoning off money in ways that are excused because the dollars are small compared to the huge amounts passing through their fingers. When will they consider every dollar of our money precious, as we do? Let me know when hell freezes over.

Democrats and Republicans will squabble over Harry Reid’s Dream Act, a bill to provide in-state college tuition discounts to illegal aliens who either attend college or serve in our military. Meanwhile, do you think the U.S. will deport the 10 million or more illegals living in the U.S.? Do you think our border with Mexico will be secured? Do you think we will stop spending billions to supply health and education and other services to illegals? Do you believe either party will stop pandering to the Hispanic vote? Neither do I.

The whole world, it seems, has its hand out for American generosity. I wonder who will fight to end the annual gifts of billions in foreign aid, often to people who hate us. Who will dare to speak the truth that natural disasters are a part of life, and when they strike throughout the world, our presidents need to stop pledging American taxpayer money because we are broke? In my dreams.

I wonder if any of the hard decisions will ever be properly confronted in this age of television. Even for arguments over small, incremental spending cuts, the camera can always find victims to cry and politicians to make promises, especially with an important election looming, like 2012.

Republicans will push Democrats inch by inch away from fiscal calamity when they should be pushing by miles, and I fear the benefits will be marginal, like giving an aspirin to a cancer patient. We don’t need baby steps, we need revolutionary spending cuts.

Our ship of state is on a course to fiscal disaster, like the Titanic steadily steaming to the iceberg. Instead of changing course, I expect that Republicans and Democrats will spend their time arguing over the best way to rearrange the deck chairs to improve the view.

[Terry Garlock lives in Peachtree City. His email is tgarlock@mindspring.com.]

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Atlanta and Recovery Act Funds

According to the AJC - yes, I know it's a fish wrapper -, Federal auditors found that:

--The city incorrectly reported the number of jobs saved or created because of the grants. I'm shocked

-- At least $191,161 in expenditures did not have information supporting the expenditure or the money was spent on something the grants did not allow.

-- Reports were issued late – in some cases by at least a year – or not at all.

The auditors finally reported:

“We are concerned that the city of Atlanta may not be able to properly manage the $16.9 million it has been awarded under the 2009 Recovery Act.”

Gawd I love how all that money may not do what it was originally intended to do. Which come to think of it.....what was it suppose to do?

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Cyclist - Atlanta Jobs

I suppose you heard tonight that Atlanta got an Obama grant for 75 firemen for $9 million. That's $120,000 per year per job, not bad, not bad at all.

Except of course if you are paying the tab.

How did you like Singapore, did you get a chance to visit the butterfly island?

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Obama grant for 75 firemen for $9 million

Oh really, for one year. Gee, what happens after that?

Anyways, did not make the butterfly garden. My team wanted to do other things. Singapore is on the schedule again this year so I still might have an opportunity.

One thing though about spending two weeks in Asia.........I'm sooooo tired of Asian food.

Now I'm off to Paris. When I was there last April that &#$#^%@* volcano stranded me. Oh Gee, and the trains went on strike too. Imagine that.

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Is it fair that the republicans said they would "cooperate" with the democrats in a meeting yesterday, yet today they say they won't cooperate on anything until they get their way on some items!

I kept hoping to see an acceptance of another offer from Obama for the possibility of cooperation from the Republican leadership. Instead - the same pig-headedness. . .my way or no way. . . from both parties. I'm the eternal optimist - and just possibly there is a compromise that can be worked out to assist the American people and save the 'face' of our political parties.

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Maybe The Republicans

were not thinking right due to the fumes coming from riding in the "back"? http://reddogreport.com/2010/10/obama-its-the-back-of-the-bus-for-republ... Since when has Obama been serious about anything bipartisan? Several sayings come to mind, maybe "Treat others the way you want to be treated" or maybe this one fits better "What goes around comes around"? -GP

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Bipartisanship
Georgia Patriot wrote:

Since when has Obama been serious about anything bipartisan?

President Obama spent four months attempting to achieve a bipartisan consensus on health care reform legislation, allowing Senator Baucus to negotiate with Republican moderates over an alternate plan. With the benefit of hindsight, we now know that the Republicans were not negotiating in good faith, this was simply a stalling tactic to attempt to tie up the legislation indefinitely until the 2010 elections.

The turning point for President Obama came in November 2009, when a senator lectured President Obama about several items that the senator felt absolutely positively MUST be in health care reform legislation to get bipartisan support. President Obama looked the senator in the eye and said "If I were to give you EVERYTHING you asked for, would you vote to pass the legislation?"....the senator turned red, looked at the floor, and mumbled "no".

You'd think President Obama would have learned from this episode, and recognize the futility of negotiating with Republicans, who have universally adopted a platform of "party first, country second". I was amazed to read this week that President Obama still feels he can get bipartisan support for his agenda.

Case in point: the New Start treaty ratification...this should be a no-brainer. Yet Republicans would rather put America at risk then give President Obama a foreign policy acheivement!

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Throw the Bums Out!
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Alaska voters are they happy now?

Lisa Murkowski voted to continue earmarks. More pork for the Dems and RINOS.

Looks like our job is about half done.

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DM - I don't know

I don't know that another president would do anything differently. Given history it is likely that they would do nothing differently.

The President and the Congress are doing very little to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.

They are doing everything they can to get re-elected.

That's it.

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They are doing everything they can to get re-elected.

No disagreement here. I am hoping that there will be some change - and our 'leaders' will move towards working for the American people. This week may give us a clue.

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Statistics

Figures lie and liars figure. Who was the wise man that said that?
The avg Fed pay is $123.000.00 may or may not be true but the avg fed employee makes way less than that number. I read that a G7 makes $37.000.00.

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swac & GS-7 Salary

2010 pay scales tell me that a GS-7, Step 1 (normal entry level) makes a salary of $33,979.

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Need a Raise?

just get a job working here http://gawker.com/5687778/white-house-staffers-got-a-bigger-raise-than-y... of course wages for WH staff above 100k were frozen when BO took office but it looks like they got around that by giving them new job titles. -GP

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Wow!

Obama just announced a federal wage freeze! (According to CNN)

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Frozen at the highest it is ever been

I would love to get almost double than the National market wages. You could freeze that anytime.

Freezing also implies no going back as well.

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PTCO is right . . .

. . . the number of govt workers earning over $100,000/yr doubled since Obama took office, and those are people adding to the cost burden we carry all the way through their retirement. Freezing their wages is a small token. Making deep cuts in their number would be far more meaningful.

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tgarlock:?

How could President Obama have possibly "doubled the number of workers making over $100,000? In 22 months?

How much is your pension and column income, sir? (Glass houses).

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Court, hiring & doubling nr making 100K+

It's simple really--all you have to do is hire large nrs at the right grade!

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DM - Wow?

Wow about what?

They will simply use the "savings" to hire even more government workers, who in turn will be habituated to the cocaine of government entitlement.

Now if Mr. Obama had announced a wage freeze with a hiring freeze for about 10 years, now that would be a WOW.

Otherwise, it is simply moving deck chairs around on the Titanic and expecting a different result.

Our country is broken and we will not survive without major surgery.

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Our country is broken and we will not survive without major surgery.

And what will another President do to change this?

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How about

cutting salaries to equal the private sector? This wage freeze is just window dressing, means nothing. Federal workers make twice what the private sector pays. -GP

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Federal workers make twice what the private sector pays.

-GP

Tell that to the 'military' that don't get near the wage that private security/contractors receive overseas. I'm sure you have knowledge of the truth of your statement - I just know too many 'private' sector employees who do the same or LESS than government workers in certain fields - and make more money than the government workers.

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The Military is VERY underpaid

We are in 100% agreement on this fact. However, the average government worker WITH BENEFITS included makes 123,049 per year compared to 61,051 in the privated sector: http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/overpaid-federal-workers . I said the freeze was window dressing because it will only save 2 billion when we are WASTING HUNDREDS of BILLIONS(trillions?) on stimulas bills/bailouts/wars/etc. They still don't get it, the house is on fire and they are bringing cups of water! -GP

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Federal Employees should be paid

exactly what the Military is paid for equivalent services.

Federal Employees should also use the VA. Do you think their pay and Med benefits would rise. I think so.

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Are you speaking of Generals at $150-60,000, or new dog-faces at $20,000?

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OOU & Federal Pay

In many cases ,there is no such thing as equivalent svcs, especicially when you advance to senior civilian staff positions where no mil equivalent exists. And while I don't really know, I suspect that the Col (O-6) Army Division Chief received more in salary and benefits than I did as a GS-14 Division Chief with similar responsibilities.

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You had 7000 employees working for you? What kind of armor did they have?
Only pilot Colonels have less than other Colonels.

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CATO offered this conclusion at the end of their article: I agree that most go into government work for job security; benefits; etc. However, this conclusion IMO shows that here in the US, our brightest and best go to the private sector for wages. What do you think?

CATO'S conclusion:
It is often assumed that the federal government should have the nation's highest-skilled workers, and that it should pay top dollar to get them. But federal hiring of the very best workers imposes an "opportunity cost" on the economy by drawing talented people away from higher-valued activities in the private sector. Unlike, say, France, where the best university graduates historically have gone into government, the United States has historically prospered because the best and brightest have flocked to places such as Silicon Valley.

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Yes, the best and brightest

end up in the private sector because working within government rules/confines stifles the entrepreneurial spirit. Having the freedom of ideas and working harder/smarter are rewarded more in the private sector. There are exceptions of course but in general doing whatever is required and nothing more is the norm in government, why do more than your coworker when it is not rewarded?. Socialism always destroys the human spirit. -GP

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end up in the private sector because working within government rules/confines stifles the entrepreneurial spirit

Right. In these difficult times (recession, etc.) one goes for the wages. The private sector has not been hiring - right? Unemployment 9.6 - 9.9 in Georgia. There are a lot of the best and brightest out of work. Your preoccupation with 'socialism' is about 20 years behind time. China has worked towards combining the 'best' of Communism and Capitalism because 'socialism' did not work. Castro has admitted that Cuban socialism has not worked. Socialism is not a threat to our country - greed is the threat. Most in our country expressing fear of 'socialism' have no idea what that means. My parents survived the depression and WWII. They were part of a strong generation. They sacrificed for the good of all - without calling that sacrifice 'socialism'. In order to restore this country - some SACRIFICE is necessary. . . yet IMO the American people don't have the political will to dig in and sacrifice. Cuts in services are necessary if taxes are not raised.

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Socialism is not a threat? Look at what the Socialist Barrack Obama has done to this country - He has really screwed the pooch and he paid for it with the Nov 2. election. Greed is the threat? Please elaborate.

What is your definition of greed? People that work hard for living keeping more of the money that they earn instead of some politician grabbing it out of his wallet and handing it over to one someone in the moocher, lazy class?

What is your definition of Socialism? No cheating by looking it up. We know you educators are prone to cheating. (example: Atlanta Public Schools)

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It's hardly just Obama/Reid/Pelosi

Look, I cannot stand their agenda any more than you can but let's look at reality. Under W, here's what we got:

8 years of record government expansion
8 years of record government spending
8 years of record deficits
The heavily-flawed Patriot Act(and then renewed) which is probably the single biggest piece of legislation in decades that does away with liberty and rights, stomps all over the Constitution, and created a very real Big Brother that is like a cancer in that it will grow and grow until the host(us)suffers greatly.

Were both Dems and Repubs playing along? Sure they were. So, Obama comes along and gets elected due to Republican FAILURE over and over and over again, and it's his fault? No, he hasn't shown much leadership whatsoever to get out of the quagmire and actually contributes to it being worse along with his stooges in Pelosi/Reid, but these are grave problems that didn't happen the moment he got elected.

As Marco Rubio said during his very good victory speech a few weeks ago, "this is our second chance." Rubio GETS IT that the Repubs totally screwed up before and have a ton to prove to the American voter that they won't be such miserable failures again. I have my doubts since the Repubs are too busy trying to kill START when every heavyweight on the planet in regards to national defense and security from Sam Nunn to Dick Lugar to Kissinger and on and on are saying "it's a good deal for the USA" and Repubs are basically being pig-headed because they don't want to give Obama even a few bread crumbs of success.

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Nuk_1 Please define

"a few bread crumbs of success" Obama style

Let's see he had both houses of Congress and couldn't get his agenda through. Then he blames his failure on the minority party that couldn't stop him if Mr. Obama's party was behind him. The party of "no" as he called them didn't have the power to stop him, so what happened?

However, I do agree with you that the Republicans are no better than the Democrats. They are both parties that believe that the state has the answers to our problems, when in fact THEY are the problem. Their entrenched special interests are simply two camps waiting for one or the other to gain power so they can get their "spoils" following elections.

Corruption, pure corruption.

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A growing number of citizens see the truth of your opinion NUK - and are hoping that both parties will begin to work for the American people. Let's hope that Obama and team get it AND that Republicans get it WORK FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!! CREATE PROGRAMS, PROCEDURES THAT WILL GET US BACK ON THE ROAD TO PROSPERITY!! LET THE SUCCESS BE THE SUCCESS OF BOTH PARTIES WORKING TOGETHER!!

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Just what we need....
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CREATE PROGRAMS, PROCEDURES THAT WILL GET US BACK ON THE ROAD TO PROSPERITY!!

Just what we need - Another bloated government run "program"

Is that all you libs can come up with? More spending of money that we don't have on programs that produce nothing?

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PROGRAMS

Programs may involve the cutting of funds - open your thought. Isn't that what the current extreme right wing anti-Obama group is proposing? Cut spending, cut programs, - go back to 2008. EXCEPT military and earmarks. Hmmmmmm.

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A program to cut funds, DM?

Let's see.... A program to cut funds. First time I have heard that one.
Why would you need a program to cut funds? Why not just cut the funds without having to create another bloated government program that would do nothing but hire more government employees?

Need I remind you that a majority of Republicans voted to do away with earmarks while a majority of democrats voted to keep earmarks?

Go back to 2008? I think not. Just stop spending money that we don't have. Obama's policies are heaping debt on our children and grandchildren.
It's time to bring some sanity back to government because this administration doesn't have a clue.

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You are deceitful!

You well know, because I have told you twice, that "earmarks and foreign aid are less than 1% of our budget!!"

WHY DON'T YOU JUST SAY: "cut out the interest rate we owe social security; stop the health plan which might help enormous quantities of people; stop sending billions to states (Georgia 500 million) for their budgets (too stingy and political to vote their own money); give the military all they want and invade Iran; fire the Agriculture department, Education department, Interior Department, and build a 50 foot fence under and over the line with Mexico and patrol it with 200,000 soldiers with AK-47s and M16s and artillery and F-15s! (all the way from California to Florida!!).
Finance all that with welfare money cut off! Build armed cities along the border as supply points for the soldiers. Pay them 200 dollars a head.

Then I would be sure where you are coming from! OK?"

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build a 50 foot fence under and over the line with Mexico and patrol it with 200,000 soldiers with AK-47s and M16s and artillery and F-15s! (all the way from California to Florida!!).

They just found an elaborate TUNNEL!! (and I bet there are more!!) So much for the wisdom of 'building a fence'.

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DM read carefully

I said over and "under" the line!

Tunnels lower than 50 feet will have trouble.

Of course they "under Part" would have electricity included and have bombs set to explode every 50 feet if tampered with!
Additionally the sewers from the cities along the 3000 mile line would be fed into the fence under the line to disintegrate!

Remember how cities in Europe used to build their buildings on the top of steep cliffs so that they could throw their night pots down upon anyone attacking from below? They really had a hard time getting soldiers to attack and force their way on through the onslaught of pots emptying on them!
This was similar to saving paper and plastic and glass that we do now for a better use later.
It also kept us from from using atomic bombs (guns then I suppose).

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Joe - The answer is.....

yes

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From you, of course it is!

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No - PTC Observer and Kawfi

What is NEEDED - ARE solutions to ill-advised procedures that have taken us down the tubes!! Just saying No does not work for the American people - and if this lame duck Congress sits on it a___ , over a million citizens will not get an unemployment check. Consequences: More crime; more foreclosures; downward trend extended. For more than eight years - conservatives saw this happening - as well as progressives/but times were good and we had money in our pockets - and we all said - lets worry about this tomorrow. TOMORROW IS HERE. Someone develop a process to get us out of this mess. Common sense should tell the American people that the process will not be easy – and sacrifice will be necessary. As for Obama's agenda: Healthcare Reform; bank/financial institution regulations; improved foreign respect. This man is not a failure. In my opinion, McCain and Palin would have both quit by now. Two + wars; BJ oil spill; RECESSION; . . .Let's pray that both sides can operate without arrogance and pig-headedness for the AMERICAN PEOPLE. Continued politics as usual will destroy us!! Demand that Congress work for us. Priorities: Homeland security; JOBS. No one can take his or her eye off of our enemies – and we must put our country back to work. Congress – now is the time to prove that you have the guts to do what appears to be impossible. That’s the American way!

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Obama set the tone in his first week of office when he told the Republicans "I won".

He drew first blood with that remark and is now paying the price for his incompetence and refusal to work with Republicans.

The mess we are in lays entirely on his shoulders.

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Share your definition with us - greed: socialism:
Now we all can google it - or get Glen Beck's definition. What's yours?

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DM - Just as I thought

You don't know the answer. All you can do is denigrate others on things you don't have a clue about.

Typical Liberal 'Educator'

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Typical High School Response - Kawfi

At least you could have regurgitated Beck's definition! We have elected leaders to work together to LEAD us out of this mess that was created by Conservatives not following their own philosophy of economics. Now you - O' brilliant one - want to make others believe that it is all Obama's fault. Well - let's see what the 'conservative' House can do to help us continue to climb out of this mess. There are conservatives in this discussion who would not have a problem answering the question - we'll see what GP says.

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DM - Just as I thought

thought: Non-operative word in this sentence.

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DM - Do you

have some problem with High School students? Some of them are smarter than some of our bloggers......!

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You are so right - and to the high school students that I know and respect, please accept my apology!!

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Obama a leader? That's a laugh

Obama isn't a leader. He's a narcissistic dictator that couldn't punch his way out of a paper bag. In his first few days of office when Republicans came to work with him, he stated "I won" and basically told them to go pound sand.

Then the Nov. 2 Shellacking came, and now all of a sudden he is calling for "shared responsibility".

Screw you Obama, you are nothing but an idiot and a racist.

Jack Webb stands up for Police against Obama

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Don't Lecture me on Socialism or Sacrifice!

I can easily recognize both. My father was born in 1910 and served 20 years in the military, much of it as a drill instructor training troops, I also had 2 uncles that served during WW2, one was with Patton when he pushed up thru France. All have passed but are still remembered. I served during Viet-nam but was not there. Don't tell me I don't know what socialism is! Many brave men before fought against it and many more will again. China is still a communist country, all the large business there is still government owned, the wolf is just in a sheepskin disguise. Russia is heading back toward communism thanks to former KGB agent Putin. You say the American people don't have the will to sacrifice, I say you are mistaken. Our country is being taken over by marxist/communists/socialists, what ever you want to label them. You think the American people have no will? I say the fight has just begun! America is waking up, God Bless America. -GP

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Please share - GP

What would socialism look like in the United States? Other than Obama; liberals; Democrats, anyone who disagrees with you - who are the Marxists, Communists, Socialists that you fear? You never went to Nam? I lost friends and family in Nam - and survived McCarthyism and some other undemocratic aspects of our country - but still love it and defend it. You and yours are not the only patriots in this discussion. Some of us have lost relatives right on the streets of Georgia AND Fayette County (before and after the Civil War)- but still know that Americans and America is a strong country with strong citizens that can survive any crisis - including abject and blind ignorance. Our country wakes up - and does the CORRECT thing - not necessarily the RIGHT thing. The RIGHT thing has been taken over by a small-thinking, narrow-minded group of me-first citizens who are unwilling to work for solutions to some very serious problems - social and economic - that began years ago - before Bush or Obama. I know that Americans have the will to survive and change – and this comes with diplomacy and compromise - not the exertion of the WILL OF THE EXTREMIST RIGHT!!

LECTURE RECORDED AND SAVED!!

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The Problem with Marxism/Communism/Socislism

You see like the declaration of independence, I believe that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Marxism/Communism/Socailism takes some of those righs away and gives them to the government and that is unacceptable. Marxism/communism/socialism is about believing you are doing the correct thing for the correct reasons while destroying the country. It is about redistributing(stealing)wealth that does not belong to you . It is about a system that punishes the achievers instead of rewarding them. It crushes the human spirit. It is about a system that rewards mediocrity. It is about concealing your true agenda in order to be elected. It is about the end justifies the means. It is about the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. It is about redefining what is good and what is evil. It is about creating dependancy on government instead of yourself. It is about government taking whatever a man has accumulted through years of hard work and sacrifice after he passes. It is about creating class warfare to punish the "rich". It is NOT AMERICA. It is cancer of thought and most of all it is evil. Marxism/Socialism/Communism will not stand, there will be no compromise, with God's help it will be defeated. -GP

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Marxism/Socialism/Communism will not stand

China has discovered this - and is moving towards a system where achievers are awarded, and the human spirit MAY remain uncrushed. Their people have rejected Marxism - and with the advent of prosperity and world dominance, they may reject 'communism'. What I hear you saying is that our government rewards mediocrity; our 'government is not astute enough to recognize hidden agendas; our government has allowed processes to proceed that are ruining our country. GP - we are the government of the people, by the people, and for the people - and WE have allowed this to happen in the name of the almighty dollar! After years of US allowing this mistake to take hold - we will not change it in two or three years. We have accepted mediocrity to exist in our education, our industries, etc. - and today we have the results of what we have allowed. Those who don't want an immediate change to 'corporate corruption' are doing all they can to impede change by NOT WORKING TOGETHER TO SEEK SOLUTIONS TO OUR MISTAKES!! To reach a level of cooperation in a democracy - all issues need to be put on the table - and all parties need to come together. Continued division will destroy us - not some 'ideologies'. United we stand, divided we fall. Our enemies are waiting for the results of our division - for we will fall if we don't unite.

Thanks for your input.

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Do you Treat Symtoms?

Or should you treat the disease that is causing the symtoms? In America we USE TO HAVE a government of the people, by the people and for the people, I am not so sure anymore. Government is walking all over the constitution, , creating offices/czars/regulations without congress, courts creating law instead of interputing. We must bring back truth, honor and integrity to government and get back to the framework of the constitution. Government must be held accountable. We must cut out the cancer of corruption that exists in Washington, removing ALL of the unconstitutional changes. Government MUST tell us the truth. Don't tell us we need to sacrifice more while you are still spending and robbing us blind! Don't tell us we need to sacrifice more of our freedom so you can take care of us, we don't need you nanny state! As a famous man I love and respect once said, paraphrasing now, "government is not the solution, government is the problem". -GP

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We must cut out the cancer of corruption that exists in Washington, removing ALL of the unconstitutional changes.

Please share with us the unconstitutional changes. Regarding 'taking our freedom' - do you support the Patriot Act? We the people should have been operating on the 'cancer' much earlier than 2008! The dissatisfaction from Obama's base is that he tried too hard for 'cooperation' and didn't start operating on the cancer that he inherited. The guy with the glasses - McConnel? - he was honest - his goal was to make sure that Obama was a one-term president - and a failure. As millions don't receive a check to buy food for their families TODAY - because SOME Republicans fear for their grandchildren's future - is beginning to sink in. Let's see what the Republicans/Democrats do come January. Leaving millions without funds that they contributed to as a safety net isn't going to win friends.

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Employer pays Unemployment

This is wrong "Leaving millions without funds that they contributed to as a safety net isn't going to win friends." The employer pays this and must repay 100 percent of whatever is paid out, based on payout, the rate is ramped up(modifier) which will recoup 100 percent over time, long after the employee is gone. There is no money tree out back of congress that they are picking off of, all they are doing is loaning/advancing funds that will be repaid(unless all the employers go out of business). -GP

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Georgia Patriot: Unemployment funds

Companies paid all Georgia asked them to pay!!!!!

Georgia currently owes the federal government $500,000,000 dollars for unemployment loans alone! Poor planning or caring.

Congress is just today getting ready to send them more.

You are one of the ones who doesn't want any Washington money, aren't you?
Stop them sending any more, won't you?

How do you think companies can handle maybe a billion or two load here in Georgia above their past unemployment payments? How long will it take, if ever to pay such a bill?
I think there are some school and cops bills also!

Georgia lies and takes that money then gripes about Washington giving it to them. They won't get reelected in Georgia if they raise their own taxes to pay their own bills! At least other states say they want it.

Backward state.

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States Must Repay the Federal Government

States are required to fully repay the loans, with interest, within two to three years of borrowing the funds. The Recovery Act waived the interest payments through December 31, 2010, but after this date, interest will begin to accrue. If a state does not repay the full amount, the federal government will recoup its funds by effectively raising the federal tax on employers within the state. It is not just Georgia, what is happening now could not have been planned for. This will all eventually trickle down to the employers(if there are any left), the benefits paid in the last 12 months to employees I laid off are over $40,000, some of these employees gross pay was less than what they have received in benefits! There is no easy answer to the mess we are in. -GP

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GP and We the People

We had government by We The People in 2008. We elected President Obama and large Democratic majorities in the U. S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives. This was the clear expression of the will of the American people.

The conservative Republicans with an apparent clear channel link to God and the writers of U. S. Consititution decided that this expression of "We the Preople" did not count. Accotrding the the "Right", the only expression of We the People that America should accept is one that conforms to the narroww minded bigotry and hypocrisy of the American Right.

If the choice is between government as the solution and your twisted view of government, I will choice government everytime.

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the clear expression of the will of the american people in the 2008 election you speak of was gained under false pretenses. President Barrack Obama hid his true agenda from the voters behind smooth teleprompter assisted speaches and such catchey slogans as "yes we can" and "vote for change". Like an infatuated teenager the masses yearned to elect the first black president, based on skin color and not content of character. Well the light of truth has shone on this man and this Emperor has no clothes! The people have now seen the so-called change and are rejecting it in mass. The american people were also caught by suprise by the actions of the house and senate, with their "we must pass this law to see what's in it" and strong arm tactics along with the unconstitutional act of trading favors for votes. In the fall 2010 the people spoke out and corrected the mistake in the house and tossed out the ones who were operating against the will of the people and in 2012 the people will speak out again and correct the senate and presidency. -GP

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Can you SHARE any other than 'right-wing' rhetoric? We all read that also. Do you really believe all of that? You and Kawfi keep referring to 'gaffs' made in 2008. Any thought on what is happening today? Obama has admitted to his 'shellacking' - MISTAKENLY thinking that legislation was more important than JOBS! Clinton took his 'shellacking' as did Reagan. The people (one million of them) are looking at who has their interest TODAY in helping them to get food on the table TOMORROW. We the people should demand that these two parties put politics aside and meet with experts to SOLVE THIS PROBLEM!

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Gaff's?

No gaff's, just hidden agenda's. Do you really think Barrack Obama would have been elected if the american people knew his agenda? He still doesn't get it, his response to the election was "we did a poor job on getting the message out", when the truth is the american people have gotten the message and rejected it! -GP

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The Truth

The current Republican leadership has no intention of working with this Democrat president. Now lets see if they allow school children to continue to get unhealthy lunches and out of work parents to not receive unemployment checks; the US to ratify a treaty with Russia that will mean we will have the ability to monitor Russia's nuclear power, etc., etc., etc. Their goal is now clear - and millions of Americans got the message today. I am no longer optimistic about these two parties working together for the American people. Even today - a staunch Republican and Palin supporter expressed doubts about the current leadership of the Republican Party and their real goal - seeking solutions to the mess we're in - or getting the Democrats out. . . .and to h___with the American people.

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Apparently "The People" you speak of said NO

to more Progressive styled Socialism. The Grand experiment failed and on Nov 2nd we said NO more.

This administration presided over the worst defeat since the 30's. That is one heck of an accomplishment.

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Many of us can benefit from your 'lecture' as I would wholeheartedly agree that the "right" thing to do has been for too long left to interpretation. Should we assume that the 'correct' thing to do is both in the best interest of our nation and within the immediate framework of our Constitution, could we dispense with the term 'fair' to all?

After all, what's being fair have to with what is just?

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Standing Armies, Taxation, and Mike King's Guns

Just wondering where all ya'll strict Constitutionists and government, ahem, dislkers,stand on standing armies? A good number of the founding fathers, maybe some of them even Christians, were not so keen on the idea, and the Constitution itself seems to limit funding for such to two years.

Also, isn't it a bit disengenuous to rail against government spending but remain quiet on the amount of money that is taken (by theft according to www.mises.org lovers) from the citizenry to fund a standing army of 1.5 million active members? Moreover, isn't the military operated and directed by the very government some of you see 'as the problem.'

Don't you fear that the bad ol' government might one day decide that 'you are the problem.' You might be relying on your 2nd amendment rights in such case, but I doubt even Mike King's arsenal could stop a tank.

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They wouldn't be upset at all if THEIR guy was in office. Case in point was when FDR ordered Douglas McArthur to quell WWI veterans who marched on Wasington demanding early payment of a promised veterans bonus. The year, I believe, was 1933 and our Army actually burned the campsites of thousands.

President Obama could have given such an order after his inauguration, and those who put him in office would blindly follow.

On the other hand, should a president of the ilk of GW Bush make such an order, the ranks of conservatives would swell by a like number of liberals who would again abandon any semblance of loyalty to their beliefs.

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I think that was President Hoover who allowed that charge by Patton and McArthur.

FDR eventually hired 25,000 of the vets and had them build the highway through the Florida Keys. over 200 were killed by a hurricane however. They had bad luck, huh?

We ain't never took very good care of our short-term dog faces! Still don't.

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The meds have worn off, time to go back to the medicine cabinet. Do Mrs Court a favor and leave the blue one alone.

It was Hoover. My mistake.

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Why MIKE?

My meds are fine. Maybe you had one too many drinks.

I suspect there will be people 20 years from now saying Obama bailed out the banks!!!!!
The Fed did all the loaning.....I hear now 9 Trillion! (That is a thousand billion X 9)

Maybe they will stop a DEPRESSION? Whatcha think?

Or. are you one of those who wants a depression and get it over with? It is just printed money! When it is over they will "burn" a few trillion and make money scarce again.

If congress doesn't quit fooling around this week we will have another march on Washington for unemployment checks---they will camp on the Potomac for sewers and build another "Hooverville" as the WW1 vets did in 1932. They even had their wives and children with them!
Patton's tanks scattered them out of DC.

It is for darned sure Georgia won't pay their unemployed any more with Georgia money! Poor planning and taxation.
I am beginning to feel guilty with my pensions and interest income! I donate what I can to S.A.

I had an uncle by marriage who was blinded by gas in WW1. There were blind soldiers everywhere after that war. Pitiful for a grown person to be blinded. I think they got 20-30 dollars a month. One good meal now.

Most stayed with family and donated the 20 bucks.

I figure you aren't old enough to know much about this and most aren't much interested in reading about it. I was a tween.

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Republican-Led Army Attacked US Citizens

It was Republican Hoover not FDR that rousted the bonus marchers. Interesting that some notable 'conservatives' were involved as well, including later President Eisenhower, and Patton.

From Wiki, for convenience sake.

President Hoover then ordered the army to clear out the veterans. The infantry and cavalry were supported by six tanks, and commanded by Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur. Major, later President, Dwight D. Eisenhower was his liaison with Washington police, and Major George Patton led the cavalry.

Seems you can't even trust the repubs when they get their hands on the reins of government and the military.

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President Wilson a progressive and his political prisoners

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2008/0205/p09s01-coop.html

Just how many anti-Government prisoners did Wilson jail?

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I mentioned a "bounty" paid to soldiers in a comment about the border. Maybe if we put a few divisions on the border and paid a bounty, and also use the Guard in every state and pay them also a "bounty" we could wipe em out! "Illegals" only, of course!

Now do you suppose we could a few million of our unemployed to work if we did that-- roofing and re-roofing, and mowing, and digging, and picking vegetables and fruit, and cooking and bussing, and doing what construction there is? Do we have any masons anymore?

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I am not a Disliker of goverment

I am a Disliker of Marxism/Communism/Socialism. BTW, I am a Liker of your word Disliker, are you by chance related to George Bush-J/K-LOL. What we are doing around the world with our military needs to be addressed. Most of the troops should come home. I am a firm believer in a strong defense and if you fight a war, you fight it to win, no holding back, no nation building(it simply does not work). As far as our troops attacking civilians I would hope they would be on the side of the constitution. In 1970 I took an oath to defend my country against all enemies both foreign and domestic. Last time I checked there was no expiration date. -GP

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GP, you dislike Marxism/Communism/Socialism, I suppose because you believe they pose threats to liberty? Are those ideas/systems still a threat in the absence of armed force? How did Russian leaders impose communism on its citizens and satellite states other than through military force? Those isms you dislike probably would have quickly fallen into the dust bin of history had people not been forced to adhere to them at the point of a gun. Isn't it irrational for you to support, through coercive taxation, the very means by which your liberties could be taken away? If you are afraid of the Obama or some other administration imposing Marxism/socialism on the US, how else would they do it besides military force? I think you and Mike King are living in fantasy land when it comes to believing that ya'll and like-minded patriots would rise up and defeat a standing army of 1.5 million using your 2nd amendment rights. But, who knows, you might get a few shots off before the RPG took you and your family out.

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Study history. Marxist/Communist/Socislist's work within by destroying the existing system. A desperate population will then turn to anything that offers hope, that is how Communism takes hold. Violence is not the answer, knowlege is. Shine the light of truth on what is happening and preserve freedom. -GP

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Should we assume that the 'correct' thing to do is both in the best interest of our nation and within the immediate framework of our Constitution, could we dispense with the term 'fair' to all?

I understand and respect what you are saying. However, I feel that because of some 'unjust' actions - fairness has been hard to come by. I have difficulty separating the two sometimes. I agree - correct must be in the best interest of our nation - and of course within the framework of our Constitution.

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Should we assume that the 'correct' thing to do is both in the best interest of our nation and within the immediate framework of our Constitution, could we dispense with the term 'fair' to all?

I understand and respect what you are saying. However, I feel that because of some 'unjust' actions - fairness has been hard to come by. I have difficulty separating the two sometimes. I agree - correct must be in the best interest of our nation - and of course within the framework of our Constitution.

Watch out, I am beginning to like you! -GP

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We need to begin anew. There is simply nothing that you nor I can do to reverse the events of the past, good or bad. I would ask that you insert the word 'just' instead of 'fair' because we as humans can control what is just, but will fall far short in the determination of what is fair.

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I'm no longer hung up on ones interpretation of 'just' and/or 'fair' - just CORRECT according to our Constitution. It's a brilliant document - and has survived governance of many 'unfair' and 'unjust' episodes in our history. Although we may have different ideas on how to solve our current problems - I feel that we're on the right track in accepting responsibility - and demanding that those we elect - regardless of party - get down to business.

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"FAIR?"

Fair does not mean equal split of our total fortune. It means a chance to win, such as playing a football game between teams where one is professional and the other a junior high team!

Are the current "leaks" by military or State people fair? The answer is no. The rules state that they should quit if they don't like their job.

Yet, it is fair for these items to be published when they are leaked! They will be anyway in 25 years or so. Just teed of and embarrassed people can cause serious trouble by it.

Is it fair that the republicans said they would "cooperate" with the democrats in a meeting yesterday, yet today they say they won't cooperate on anything until they get their way on some items!

Is it fair that when a famous day-time talk show hostess who now weighs maybe 300 pounds (for the third or fourth time) has made millions selling diet plans to suckers? Also, her magazine still is airbrushed, etc., to show her slim and trim!

Is it fair that just today another rich Televangelist admitted adultery that he has hidden for years and yet asks all the people he works with--nearly all of the current Televangelists on his TV stations--to ignore his transgressions as his wife said because he is worth it!
Just have the Pentecostals make sex and money the 11th and 12th Commandment and legal.

Is it fair that Governor Sonny Purdue and Agriculture Mummy, Irvin, put their buddies into higher paying jobs in a severe depression, yet cut teachers pay!

Fair means pretty, how a judge should treat both sides, etc.
The rest is politics and greed and tyranny!

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Not Again Today!

Another dissertation by the mentally blind.

Court you have missed you meds once again! Green pill, then the yellow pill, forget the blue one, for your spouse has better things to do with his/her time.

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Not like you to attack sensibilities when you can't defend truth!

Everything seems OK with you as long as your income and taxes aren't involved. (Even young waitresses in a liquor joint).

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Are you not in favor of young folks earning at least part of their way?

If you've taken your meds, what truth can I not defend?

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Obama's idea of diplomacy and compromise -

January 23, 2009, 2:32 PM ET. - Obama to GOP: ‘I Won’

"We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.” --- Barrack Obama

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Joe continuing to live in the past of who did what is not getting us anywhere. Let's encourage change through our elected leaders. There will always be a two sided government libs and conserv. in which the separate parties must work together to solve this countries problems. We the people should be neutral to ensure they are working for us and not visa versa as is today.

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GP & "best & brightest"

If you actually know or knew any Govt workers, all I can say is that you attracted all the wrong kind. Guarantee you that there are some kick-ass Govt workers out there who don't feel constrained by "rules". And yes, I WAS one! And just in case you didn't know, there are plenty of certified "Educated Idiots" in both private & govt workforces.

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Try to work for the government

and start your own business. Why is the federal workforce growing while the private sectors is suffering? Why are their salary increases out-pacing the private sector? Who are they working for? And yes, I agree that many are "educated way beyond their intelligence" but I submit more of that type gravitate toward government or the educational system. Check this out: http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2010/11/29/federal-workforce-grows-fa... -GP

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You've got to read more than Bob Barr. LOL!

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