Coddling children in Ferguson, Mo.

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On Monday, Aug. 11, a 20-year-old unarmed white man named Dillon Taylor was shot and killed in Salt Lake City, Utah, by a black police officer in questionable circumstances.

Taylor, a first-time father with a criminal record, had at the time of the shooting an outstanding arrest warrant for probation violations on robbery and obstruction of justice charges. Police had been called to a convenience store after someone reported seeing a gun.

Taylor’s friends said he was turning his life around, that he had never carried a gun, that he was listening to music on headphones and was shot outside the convenience store when the police officer yelled at him and Taylor put his hand in his pocket to turn down the music on his cell phone.

Whether there actually was a gun is not known as the investigation is under way and the police are not publicizing details.

This was just two days after 18-year-old black unarmed teenager Michael Brown was shot and killed by a white police officer in Ferguson, Mo.

In Utah, a few protestors lined the sidewalk in front of South Salt Lake police headquarters, carrying signs declaring the innocence of Taylor and decrying the militarization of police, using a megaphone to amplify their message.

Traffic was not interrupted. There were no threats. No riots ensued. No businesses were looted. No shots were fired. No water bottles filled with urine were thrown. No Molotov cocktails started any fires. Nobody was assaulted or injured. There were no arrests. The governor was not called. No National Guard unit was called in to restore order. The protestors were acting like adults.

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were conspicuously absent. There was no media frenzy. President Obama did not utter a single word about the event. The Attorney General did not appear. The vast majority of citizens simply went to work as they seemed to be waiting for the law enforcement and justice system to do its job.

Meanwhile, the self-indulgent children inhabiting Ferguson, Mo., were rewarded for throwing violent fits by reassurances from race hustlers (or civil rights leaders, if you prefer), reporters and even the President of the United States. Over 40 FBI agents were dispatched to search desperately for any shred of evidence against police officer Darren Wilson, who shot Brown six times. I wonder how much of their time will be spent examining things like the facial injuries to officer Wilson that might exonerate him?

There were a few pro-police counter-protestors, but you would be wrong if you think their right to protest was welcomed by the mob. They had to be protected, removed for their own safety and they reported receiving death threats from their fellow citizens of Ferguson.

The governor pledged to the mob a vigorous prosecution. Local police officials participated in a march with the mob, carrying the NAACP banner in a gesture of solidarity with the people so deeply injured by the killing of one of their own they could not stop themselves from rioting and burning and stealing and shooting.

And of course the Attorney General himself visited Ferguson, meeting with the victim’s family to reassure them, meeting with local law enforcement and encouraging the grand jury, which was to consider an indictment of officer Wilson in a schedule so speedy it raised questions of due process.

In other words, there have already been way too many sneaky fingers trying to tip one side of the scales of justice, scales that are intended to be blind and balanced, which of course can only happen when all officials from the locals to the President stay the hell out of it and keep their mouths shut about the case. Too late for that.

You would think the highest ranking law enforcement officers in the nation would understand their intrusion in the Brown case is not only improper, if there is an indictment and a trial, their intrusion could be a gift to a talented defense attorney who knows, just like Michael Brown, officer Darren Wilson has civil rights, too.

Add to that mess that the bleeding hearts of this country have, once again, rewarded the wrong behavior. I suppose you wouldn’t want me as a police chief since I would favor a more tough stance, like shooting looters on sight. But even if that is too harsh, we could at least let the mobs know an investigation will proceed, lawbreakers will be arrested, and their best course of action is to go home and teach their kids to be law-abiding citizens who respect law enforcement and give police officers no reason to confront them.

Furthermore, if I had a black son, especially in a place like Ferguson, I would want him to understand a few important lessons. Yes, police officers should be accountable for their excesses, but all across America our police put their life on the line facing the thugs of our society every day.

I would want my black son to realize the crime rate among young black men in America is through the roof, and while liberal weenies go apoplectic at the mere mention of profiling, you cannot suspend every police officer’s common sense, and it would be a very good idea for my young black son to never dress like a thug, never act like a thug, and assume that merely being a young black man makes him suspicious, thanks to all the young black thugs police see every day, so be especially mindful of behavior in front of police officers.

But of course I’m just a white man without a black son, so who in the black community is going to listen to me?

[Terry Garlock of Peachtree City occasionally contributes a column to The Citizen. His email is terry@garlock1.com.]

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Lets cut to the chase. You excelled in life because your parents knew the importance of an education and the value of hard work. Those two attributes overcome many obstacles in life. If only there were more parents that instilled those values in their children.

With that said, I'm not turning a blind eye to those evils of the past. Legalized racial discrimination was and is wrong.

Now getting back to those equal bootstraps; are you referring to Mendez v. Westminster or Brown v. Broad of Education or?

Windsor Hills - Home of the Beach Boys???? Actually, their home was further south in Hawthorne.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beach_Boys_Historic_Landmark

Hawthorne is part of the South Bay which also includes Carson, Gardena, Lenox, Lawndale, all the beach cities, Lomita, Torrance, Wilmington, San Pedro and last the LA strip running down Normandie Ave. All of these cities are south of LAX.

BTW, I'm still scratching my bald head and trying to figure out your comment about my family and moving to the valley.

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I'm referring to the local leaders in Los Angeles who fought for the end of discrimination in the city of my birth. Every improvement in human relations did not/does not require a passage of a bill in Congress to 'do the right thing for fellow human beings'. My parents/grand parents/ great-grand parents set very high standards. Yes, I am very grateful for my family. I am also grateful for those who opened the 'better areas of town' so that all citizens in Los Angeles could live where their income allowed. As a child, the cities that you mentioned were not available to all citizens in the Los Angeles area. In fact, much of that area was 'rural' - if I remember correctly. As a child, 'we' made a point not to be in Glendale, Inglewood, and believe it or not - Compton - after dark! (The late 40's and early 50's.) My grandparents had a farm in Watts - a rural area inhabited by blacks, browns, whites and Asians in the 20's and 30's.

Equal bootstraps to me means being able to use your own skills, experience, education to succeed regardless of race or gender. That has not always been my experience without the help of persons who fought for equal opportunity. It was difficult for my parents who worked hard, received an outstanding education to not have equal opportunity to utilize their skill equally with others in their profession. They worked hard so that I did not have to encounter that - which does not mean that discrimination did not exist in Los Angeles, but it was not the law - and there were enough 'liberal' or progressive persons who followed the 'law' in California in the '60's to give me an equal opportunity in my endeavors. My parents dealt with a different climate in the 30's. Thanks for the information regarding The Beach Boys. The kids at Dorsey High always bragged that they attended 'their' school. Guess they were wrong. I attended LA High.

My reference to the 'valley'? A common rhetorical phrase meaning fleeing 'blacks'. Aren't you glad that we're talking about past history?

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Proudly in the way of your brand of "progress" DM.

So, you didn't name anything in government that is going so well as to not need it any longer. Education? Nope; Defense? Nope; Energy? Nope; EPA? Nope

Not one BIG thing that is going so well that we can say it's so successful that we don't need government in it any longer.

Still waiting.

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If you feel all is hopeless - why are you still here? What do you want to change ? How? Inquiring minds want to know. Please don't keep your solutions for our many problems a secret. Thank you. Those who care for our country list one problem - lack of participation of citizens using their right to vote. . .and money rather than quality of service to constituents determining who is or is not elected. I'm sure you have something to add or detract to this opinion.

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DM - I have

I have on numerous occasions given solutions to our never ending problems of government over reach, you choose not to remember them.

The concept of "greater voter participation" is a spurious argument. Having a larger mob, solves no problem big or small, if you don't believe this, then you deny history. As long as we allow government to take money from one group of people to benefit another group of people, aka legal theft, we will always have mob rule. It is a sham DM based on an unprincipled philosophy that uses a pseudo-philanthropic notion that delivers power to a political elite.

All of it contrary to the very principles the country was founded upon and a corruption of these ideals.

It's not hopeless DM, but nearly so with the socialists in power and a national debt that reduces the US to a third world country.

I am still waiting for that list of accomplishments by government on the really BIG things we have been throwing money at for more than the last half century.

OK, just give me one. One where we don't need government any longer because it has done such a magnificent job.

I have always fought for this country and its founding principles. I am not stopping now.

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I am still waiting for that list of accomplishments by government on the really BIG things we have been throwing money at for more than the last half century.

The big accomplishment of our government and the implementation of our Constitution for over 200 years is WE ARE STILL HERE!

What are you doing to change the perceived failure of the United States of America? How will your solutions, after being implemented, improve the situation of our country? A political 'elite' exists when those who under our Constitution, have the right to vote - and have squandered that right by not voting and allowing the 'elite' to govern. I have enjoyed your rhetoric on what is wrong with our country. Your comparison of citizens who vote to a 'mob' is interesting. This was an argument used by many when after the Civil Rights movement and 'blacks' were allowed to vote in certain Southern states. I imagine a similar concern was voiced when women received the right to vote. The Founding Fathers, and those leaders who followed them worked for the improvement of our country and never 'gave up' - but rather worked together utilizing the ideas of all elected leaders to keep our country strong. The attitude of the American citizen during and after WWII has always been a source of pride and encouragement to me. Your 'libertarian' solutions of disallowing government workers the right to vote; not sharing the financial responsibility of the tasks necessary for maintaining roads, law enforcement, military, health care, etc. through 'taxes' but rather each man fund these things using his own funds – and not a central agency (government) - is interesting. I wish we did have a say in what individuals would get our hard earned money going out to taxes. I would erase your name from receiving any of my funds. I do understand how you feel about that issue - I don't agree with it -. Our country is having difficulty - as are all of the other major countries in the world. I see valid points in both conservative and progressive approaches to governing. I feel the problem is leaders in Congress who lack the integrity to do their job. . .and those who are following the stated goal of unseating a duly elected president - TWICE

I agree that our leaders in ‘government’ have failed. Our government, if truly ‘of the people, by the people, for the people – can work if the three branches of government would execute their jobs according to the Constitution – and not some wealthy individuals who require some leaders to sign pledges denoting allegiance to that individuals/organizations agenda rather than the agenda of the American people.

This Congress, controlled by corporations, has accomplished nothing but try to denigrate the current president. This act was one of the determining factors in the president’s re-election. There are certain factions in Congress who are blind to the reality of the concerns of the citizens of this country. (We are experiencing a crisis in world relations – and our Congress who represents the will of the people, is on vacation! ) Maybe as I write this, the president will call them back to vote on some crucial decisions. (Oh – I forgot, the speaker of the House, after suing the President for exceeding his authority – intimated that the President could ‘handle issues’ while the Congress was on vacation. Hey – got any solutions for dealing with this Congress?

If one reads the debates held by our Founding Fathers and the leaders who followed them years later – one may be impressed by the progress that was made because of the integrity of those leaders and their ability to continually search for what was right for the country – not what they had to do to get re-elected.

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So.....DM

You can't name any Big accomplishments, besides war there's no effort under taken by government that doesn't end or require reward for failure. So, why do you insist that failure should be rewarded with ever increasing programs and plunder of our children's future.

Or don't you agree with the laws of economics?

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. . . .and you have no solutions that will provide progress if and when implemented. Failure should be rewarded? I'm for cutting the paycheck of everyone in Congress and the President until something is done about Immigration Reform and Tax Reform. Law of economics? The corporations have made a greater profit since 1965, on the backs of workers who can't pay their bills!! Does this make sense to the citizens of the United States? Listen - we see things differently - and the 'union' of The Tea Party and The Libertarians is not being seen as a winning combination in todays economy.

PTCO - there is another problem that this country is facing - ISIS. It will be interesting to see how the Congress and the President 'cooperate' on this issue. The Congress is supposed to represent the interest of the American people - not those who make money off a 'war' effort. We'll see who Congress and the President listen to, . .this is a crucial time for the American people and the world.

Have a nice day.

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have given my proposed solution to the ISIS Caliphate State , just search this blog.

To say we disagree, is an understatement. Thanks but I won't accept your assessment of the chances for us to break Progressives' grip on the government. When that happens, and entitlements are cut, I also fully expect to have riots in the streets. It has happened many times before, most recently in Europe and it will happen here should entitlements be cut. People don't so readily give up plunder.

Let's see what the dear leader will do in the next two years to circumvent the Constitution, most will be amazed but not me.

Separate but equal powers unless you can pack the bureaucracy with cronies or better yet the courts.

Now about that list of successes?

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Now about that list of successes?

Travel a little - and come home to the reality of this country. Then, with all of our problems, you will see our successes as compared to too many other countries on the globe. This is a country worth fighting for - and according to many of our young men and women - worth dying for. I'm proud I disagree with your view of Libertarianism. As in most ideologies - there are areas for agreement. If Progressives only had a 'grip' on government - we wouldn't be int his mess!! Iraq, trickle down economics, etc., etc., etc. - NO COOPERATION BETWEEN THE CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT. (and the Supreme Court ruling that makes 'money' more important than the people's will) Let's hope that the people will vote in November - and our representatives will work for the people instead of corporate MONEY. NOTE: No mention of skin color; race, or any of the other issues that some refer to. Don't be afraid of being exposed to a different view point. That is the beauty of our country. Sad that we are not more aware of the viewpoint of 'other' Americans. Thanks to all who have respectfully shared their viewpoint without feeling a need to denigrate. Yep - I'm baaaaaaaaaak! Have a great day everyone!

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DM - list

So you don't have a list, you don't have a list because there is no list. Government doesn't end programs it only expands them. So, DM it will never stop given the current system, it will continue expanding until the money, exported debt, and inflation has run it's course.

http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/unitedstates

It is estimated by the end of the current regime the debt will hit $24 Trillion, no country can survive such an assault on its financial resources.

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Terry & Coddling

Somehow, none of that seems too important out here in Billings, Montana, where the wx is great and life is good!

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I was just out there a couple of weeks ago. I liked it.
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AHG in Montana

Have you mastered the fly rod? Have you reeled in one of God's living artworks known as a German Brown Trout? So pretty you have to let him go even if the rules let you eat him. I envy your visit to big sky country.

Terry Garlock

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Terry: totally agree

Montana has great fly fishing and has some beautiful areas. Weather is nice bonus this time of year too. I've always thought of retiring there after I grow up :) Enjoy, AHG!

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Nuk & Terry

Headed back home today! Son had to lv this am for the Bakken Oil Field to inspect some sites where some Power Substations he designed will be built!

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A special moment - just sharing

I had the opportunity to share a moment with American veterans. At the end of the event - all stood for the National Anthem. There were tears in some of the American veterans eyes -men and women who had fought and given so much for their country united not by color of skin, but by pride in being an American and sharing their love for country.

I witnessed a similar situation at a concert in Atlanta which featured a choral group from South Africa. At the end of the concert we were asked to stand as the South African national anthem was sung. I was impressed at those in the audience who knew the words and sang with such pride - all skin colors - proud of their heritage as well as their united nationality. I think the majority of citizens in our country have accepted that we are all Americans - a country of immigrants who have made this land our home. We have problems that are being solved. In my opinion, I think that most Americans are working very hard at treating their fellow Americans the way they want to be treated. Unfortunately, this is not what is being reported to the rest of world by a sensationalist media. . . .and some in this discussion. I have met so many wonderful citizens in Fayette County who are outstanding Americans - and who want to be treated with justice as they hope to treat others with justice. America stands as a light to the global citizens. What is seen, unfortunately, is our inability to overcome this 'race' problem. It is difficult for us to preach the necessity of living in peace with those who are 'different' if our own history shows that we have a problem with 'skin' color. (Remember, the majority of the inhabitants of the world are people of 'color'.) Our past provides learning experiences; what is now shows that we have progressed; what the aim for the future will be 'one nation under God with liberty and justice for all'.

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In Utah, a few protestors lined the sidewalk in front of South Salt Lake police headquarters, carrying signs declaring the innocence of Taylor and decrying the militarization of police, using a megaphone to amplify their message

The white community in Utah has not been the victim of the ignoring of American justice/law. They have no history of ‘police brutality’ concerns. Can the same be said of Ferguson, MO and the 85% black community? There was/is really no need for the ‘white supremacist’ organizations to protest, riot, etc. Those are the organizations that ‘voice’ their opinions in similar cases in this country. Usually, they are quiet. No one has accused the treatment of the KKK (which is still active in California and certain other areas of our country) as ‘coddling children’. Interesting concept.

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Meanwhile, the self-indulgent children inhabiting Ferguson, Mo., were rewarded for throwing violent fits by reassurances from race hustlers (or civil rights leaders, if you prefer), reporters and even the President of the United States. Over 40 FBI agents were dispatched to search desperately for any shred of evidence against police officer Darren Wilson, who shot Brown six times. I wonder how much of their time will be spent examining things like the facial injuries to officer Wilson that might exonerate him?

Those who riot, resort to non-violence in the black, Hispanic, and other communities (remember the anti-war riots) in our country are those who have lost hope in the justice meted out through our legal system for all Americans in the United States.

If 85% of any community had rioted – there would be cause for great concern – BUT 85% OF THE COMMUNITY IN FERGUSON DID NOT RIOT. There were community members and law enforcement (white and black) that spoke out against those who rioted.

Mr. Garlock’s opinion is valued. This comment is questionable:

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they could not stop themselves from rioting and burning and stealing and shooting.

Who are they? Did ‘they’ stop the killing of Jews in Germany?; did ‘they’ tell the truth about the weapons in Iraq?; did ‘they’ stop the killing of Emmitt Till and two Civil Rights workers?; did ‘they’ check the condition of the damn in PTC?; did ‘they’ stop the internment of Japanese Americans during WW II?; did ‘they’ insure that separate but equal was really equal?

Who is Mr. Garlock identifying as ‘they’ in Ferguson, MO? If we as God-fearing Americans could just get ‘they’ to control themselves and make the correct decisions in all situations - we’d be in great shape!!

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There were a few pro-police counter-protestors, but you would be wrong if you think their right to protest was welcomed by the mob. They had to be protected, removed for their own safety and they reported receiving death threats from their fellow citizens of Ferguson

Many, many years ago I marched to express my right to equal treatment in our country. I had to be protected and some of my family and friends were threatened and killed. I was most grateful for the police protection at that time.

I am the mother of two ‘black sons, grandmother of four black grandsons, and great-grand mother of two black great grandsons. I have laughed at Chris Rocks ‘truth’ in his comic routine. We try as black mothers and fathers to instill this truth - how sad that in 2014, we have to resort to this ‘teaching’ in hope of keeping our black men alive.

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In other words, there have already been way too many sneaky fingers trying to tip one side of the scales of justice, scales that are intended to be blind and balanced, which of course can only happen when all officials from the locals to the President stay the hell out of it and keep their mouths shut about the case. Too late for that.

Silence was observed for too long in out country regarding ‘justice for all’. This is the sad consequence for the silence that caused lack of that justice. When a so-called educated American regarding the history of the United States can’t see that some minorities/women/ unemployed/undereducated citizens may view the comprehension of ‘justice’ in this country differently – we are in trouble.
Fortunately, the majority of our citizens do want justice meted out equally for all citizens; do want criminals to be dealt with by a well-trained, efficient law enforcement organization. The majority of our citizens do want this incident and too many others investigated and the evidence presented without the media/individuals putting in their sneaky fingers into the reporting trying to ‘tip the scales’.

Many in the timely reporting to the public regarding this incident made mistakes. These mistakes will be clarified. Too bad it took the action of the President of the United States, the Attorney General, the Governor of the State, to assure citizens of this country that ‘justice’ will be done. The citizens of Utah did not have this need – since ‘race’ was not made an issue.

As a mother of a 25-year member of an urban law enforcement agency who is an instructor of Concepts in CriminalLaw in the Administration of Law Section on the college level, I certainly can see the viewpoint of a young officer confronted with the situation he faced in Ferguson, MO.

Mr. Garlock, you made a decision to become a father – and you are an excellent one. It is not easy being a parent today. It is even harder when there appears to be a chance that your child may be killed in a legal manner. If Michael Brown had been arrested for robbing the store, he would not legally have been killed. Many are waiting for this investigation to reveal the truth in this situation. I hope you will ‘wait’ to know the truth.

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Welcome back

DM, how was vacation?

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Vacation

was fabulous!! An eyeopener as to how citizens of different countries view what is happening in the United States. Good to be home. Great to be viewed as an American without any other 'label' while on vacation.

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DM - Vacation

So, where did you go?

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Crap

and double crap.

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Just wondering and wandering------where was Al and Jesse

and their cohorts when that young boy was shot in the head while sleeping in his own bed? So far there has been nothing to indicate that he was involved in anything illegal----why is there no outcry when something like this happens-is it because it is a black on black crime? Is this child's life not as precious as that of the young man in Ferguson? Where were the crowds yelling for these crimes to end? I would suggest to Al, Jesse, et al, if they are interested in saving young men's lives, that they go out in the neighborhoods and speak to all these young people and make them understand what they are doing to themselves, their families, their neighborhoods and their country. But, of course they probably feel they would not get the mob mentality that they get when they show up and incite to riot. They will say that they are only looking for justice---well, don't the young innocents who are killed by their brothers deserve justice? It is heartbreaking to me as a mother, grandmother, great grandmother to see and read time after time about all the young innocent children killed either by mistaken identity, as an innocent bystander or in retribution for something a family member may have done. Until people are taught the value of a human life I see no end, only escalation of the same. Too bad the Als, Jesses, et al seem not to realize this or care. And please, don't tell me about the Rainbow Coalition, PUSH and such, we all know what their main concern is and it is not saving young lives.

In a lighter vein, do any of you do the LA TIMES crossword? Did you happen to notice that Paladin was the answer in a puzzle a few days ago? How very fitting.

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Back in April….

a handcuffed Gregory Lewis Towns Jr was "tasersed" at least 14 times by East Point police. It's suggested that the officers did this to "cattle" prod and coerce Mr. Towns to stand-up. However, Mr. Towns died soon after the use of the tasers and according to medical examiners his death was ruled a homicide. The Fulton County DA, Paul Howard, has yet to bring this incident to the grand jury because he is waiting for more evidence.

Now I have to wonder; where is the protest, the anger, the looting? Where the heck is Eric Holder, the President, Al Sharpton, Jesse and the NAACP. How come CNN, and the rest of those "news" networks did not bombarded us with hours of coverage about this?

Could it be that the reason why is because both police officers that stun this poor man to death were African American?

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Police Homicide in East Point

Well the family settled with East Point for $1M.

The DA sent the stun guns to the manufacturer for analysis. He might prosecute the officers involved depending on the outcome of the manufacture's report.

Still no protest and not a word from Eric Holder, the President, NAACP, Al or Jesse.

Meanwhile, in Ferguson....

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Good Bye Eric Holder
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Great news indeed...cya Holder

I'm not going to say that some previous AG's were anything resembling great, but this clown going away is good news. He was just awful, and good riddance.

The AG slot needs to be heavily shifted to non-political agendas and enforcement of existing laws, not just what YOU think should be the laws or your POTUS who has no problem with violating the Constitution himself. Ain't your job to create new "law."

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Holder news not so great

Sure he's a race baiting clown and a joke as the top law enforcer in the country, but consider 2 things:
1. Who is acting President Valerie Jarrett going to appoint in his place? Somebody with the same mindset?
2. This is probably the first step in getting Holder on the Supreme Court. First a federal judgeship, then Ruth Bader Biddy decides to retire and what do you think happens next.

If that doesn't give Republicans the motivation to go out there and take control of the Senate, I don't know what will.

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Morgan & Ginsberg

In an rticle in today's AJC , Ginsberg says she will stay until she's no longer able to do the job.

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She commented upon her replacement, she did

She very clearly said that President Obama would not be able to get a replacement like her that thinks and votes like her thru the Senate.I agree and thank God.

At age 81 dying is an option. If the Clintons were in charge they would have her die on their schedule, but Obama won't do that as Valerie and Mother -in-law Dorothy don't like the death option.

If the Democrats keep the Senate, it will be a cakewalk for Holder to get on the Supreme Court. I think that would be the worst thing that has happened since Chappaquidick.

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A rhetorical question?

In order to get registered voters for the Socialist party, it is necessary to have a racial component to fuel the race baiter machine.

In the end, after the cameras and outsiders go home, they get to live in a in a economic disaster zone, but they get to blame everyone but themselves. What a great injustice on the many innocent people that had nothing at all to do with the riots, looting and shooting.

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A rhetorical question?

Welllllll yeah.

...they get to live in a in a economic disaster zone…

Remember, that's now called an "economically suppressed community".

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I was, just joking.

I guess they will need some community organizers to solve those problems?

You know that's government experience that can come in handy one day.

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If I had a black son I'd have him watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR465HoCWFQ

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Michael Brown did not get his a$$ kicked, he had the death penalty applied, not unlike Trevon Martin and Jordan Davis. Anytime a life is taken it is big deal, be they black, white or tan like me. Insist on respect for your fellow human being, you may be next.

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The basic concept of the video still applies. Obey the law and you will be OK. Now if it's found that Mr Brown did obey the law and the officer didn't then he should be prosecuted. Still even if it is found that the officer is guilty everyone that rioted should be prosecuted also. The past can not be changed. Only the future can be made better. If a certain group relies on the past as an excuse to cause havoc without any recourse the future will be bleak.

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As usual you argue with yourself as nothing that I said was addressed. Perhaps your next subject could be the difference between a black thug and a thug that is black.

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Obey the law and you will be OK.

Not always true in the black community . . . Black men (including celebrities who have facial recognition by many) are still stopped by certain law enforcement agencies in our country. Most have just stopped complaining, cooperate with the officer, and continue with their daily routine. It's what is known as 'being at home in the United States - and black'. (Racial profiling) It's the present G35 - not the 'past'. It's great sometime to travel outside of the United States, where one is treated as an American - and not hyphenated. It is, however, always great to come home - for American Blacks are American, some families being here for more generations than other immigrants in this country.

Mr. Thomas' column shared a great truth.

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DM-Time to look forward.

LOL Please tell me that you didn't mean to call him "Christ" Rock. When I'm pulled over I respond no differently than to cooperate and continue. As for racial profiling, that is going to be a hard one to deal with for blacks when they are such a small percentage of the population and cause most of the crime. I know that most blacks are good people but when an officer see's someone that fits the description of someone that causes most of the crime that self preservation instinct will kick in. The only way to truly change that is to change the facts as they are. (Have blacks create much less of the crime) I know some are trying but they don't get the press or the following that the Al Sharptons are getting. Last point, I think the black community wanted the "hyphenated" designated to their race/national origin. I do agree that it's time that we are all considered American and American only.

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As for racial profiling, that is going to be a hard one to deal with for blacks when they are such a small percentage of the population and cause most of the crime

Oops! You didn't do your research! (Thanks PTCO) Gosh G35 - if we 'drop' the hyphenated designation - how will we designate who is 'acceptable' at the table? Africans of French heritage; Asians of Canadian heritage; Caucasians of African heritage are equally proud of their heritage as well as their nationality without being hyphenated. It just seems important to the American tradition to have each person fit neatly into a category so that some can feel superior to others based on color of skin and how others perceive them.

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I think the black community wanted the "hyphenated" designated to their race/national origin.

Really? Please share your source of information. Thanks!

Sometime it is important to look at what is. Looking back helps to avoid mistakes; looking forward gives hope.

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I am relying on my memory and not on the internet, but if I am

not mistaken I do believe it was Jesse Jackson back in the eighties who pushed the hyphenated African-American designation.

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Personally, I decided long ago I won't use the term African-American. There are some blacks who don't appreciate that label, like those born in Caribbean countries whose lineage is traced back a lot of generations and have pride in THEIR country. Would a British-born black who migrated to America appreciate the African-American label? What about a white man who immigrated to America after his Africa-born ancestors are traced back hundreds of years in South Africa - would we cal him African-American?

So it seems stupid to me, along with all the other hyphenated Americans, more political than practical. And in case that offends you, here's one of many such pieces I'm writing for my teenage China-born daughter as she comes of age:

IF YOU'RE OFFENDED, YOU'RE WEAK.
In our progressive world of political correctness, the speech police are constantly screening all we say to find reasons this group or that should be offended. Don’t play their game.

First, don’t put yourself in any hyphenated group for purposes of identity politics. Don’t think of yourself as Asian-American; you are an American who happened to be born in China, and more importantly you are an individual, not a group member.

Second, being offended is a misguided way of insisting that others conform to your expectations of what they are permitted to say. Never do that.

Third, and most important, being offended is ceding to them the power to determine how you feel about yourself. Don’t give them that control.

For example, a dumbass’s remarks might insinuate by stereotype that since you are Asian you must be good in math, a lousy driver or eat a lot of rice. You get to choose how that makes you feel. If you are offended, you just granted to the dumbass the power to make you feel that way.

Be stronger than that, take how you feel about yourself from within, where you know who and what you are. You can call them out as the dumbass they are if you wish, but don’t give them your time and energy, and never give them control over your emotions. Don’t be offended; it only advertises your weakness.

Terry Garlock

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What about a white man who immigrated to America after his Africa-born ancestors are traced back hundreds of years in South Africa - would we cal him African-American

Interesting confirmation to a point I made. I had a family in one of my schools who were proud South-Africans. They were documented American citizens. Their skin color was white. They were very,very proud of their African heritage. They elected to identify themselves as African American. That caused quite a stir, and caused some 'political types' to go back to the drawing board in creating American 'groups'. The father of this family was a Judge - and used his influence to maintain his choice of identification. Some of my grandchildren select 'other' as a choice on forms. One grandson writes in 'human' for race. They are all very proud of their heritage in this country; sick and tired of the dumbas... who insist on lumping all blacks into 'one' community. During the violent '60's my father constantly corrected me when I made negative statements about all 'whites'. All 'whites' are not ignorant racists. Daddy was right! Some here feel it necessary to forget that lack of education, opportunity, etc., does not just exist in the 'black ' community. There are Americans who are working diligently to correct these problems for ALL Americans. In a country where much progress has been made since the outlawing of segregation - and many 'blacks' have succeeded, we all should work together to help every American child to reach his highest potential. The schools and families in Fayette County, IMO, are role models in this endeavor.

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DM, tell your grandson who writes "human" for race that . . .

. . . I like his style. On a long ago census I checked the Asian box for my daughters, but on the most recent census I just refused to answer.

I do not doubt the history of discrimination you and your family experienced, but there is always something missing from your essays. Much of the knee-jerk claims these days about white racism just isn't true any more, and there is much black-on-white racism that reporters and pundits and - of course - civil rights leaders never mention or refuse to acknowledge.

But don't anybody start any marches on my behalf. I think the notion of measuring what is in someone's heart is a fool's errand, and we will never be able to eradicate the derogatory things people think about each other. We need to forget all that political correctness crap, and simply enforce the law of equal treatment that punishes clear discrimination.

As for your white South African student and parents who wanted to be called African American, I would have disappointed them by refusing their request because I opted out of that political game. I would also expect they would take some grief from the masses who know that in practice is a racial label, not a nationalist one.

Terry Garlock

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who know that in practice is a racial label, not a nationalist one.

Sadly true in the United States. My nationality is American. My Canadian cousin, who looks like me is a Canadian - no hyphenation,

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Now that you have mentioned the checking of boxes,

what is up with that anyway? Why does anyone - especially the government need to know someone's ethnicity? Isn't that just more of putting people in groups so the group can be maneuvered, exploited or controlled? Seriously, what possible good comes out of knowing the % of Blacks, Asians and others in a particular city or state? I know this got started with the census and possible picked up steam during the immigration surge in the late 19th century, but why keep it up now?

Besides if more and more people refuse to answer what good is the remaining data? All good questions.

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Checking boxes

This does yield data that is used in statistics, such as these taken from an article by Nicholas Kristof in the New York Times - "When whites just don't get it":

The net worth of the average black household in the United States is $6,314, compared with $110,500 for the average white household, according to 2011 census data. The gap has worsened in the last decade, and the United States now has a greater wealth gap by race than South Africa did during apartheid. (Whites in America on average own almost 18 times as much as blacks; in South Africa in 1970, the ratio was about 15 times.)

The black-white income gap is roughly 40 percent greater today than it was in 1967.

A black boy born today in the United States has a life expectancy five years shorter than that of a white boy.

Should all peoples' ethnicity be lumped together, it could be inferred that the american way works for everyone with no data to show that it works better for some than it does for others. This could be appropriate or not, depending on one's interests and agendas.

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It will always work better for some than others and no amount of redistribution will cure it. All men are born equal under the law, they are not equal in ability or learned skills. The ablest among society will always be the ablest. The least among us can become the ablest based on their ability, discouraging them from doing this robs them of their hope and future in a free society. Government excuses aside, it steals our future generations' successes in the hope that we can make it better for just a few.

Now take those rose colored glasses off.

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PTC-O/ability & learned skills

I think you left out motivation & inspiration!

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Yes I did now that you mention it. Yes, the government steals these two traits as well. Nothing at all to be motivated about or inspired about if you simply must turn over most of what you earn to government.

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Redistribution is your phobia, not mine. I am all for being aware of the present and then dealing with the future. I know that what people do makes them happier than what they possess and that depends on being in touch with your heart, an ability everyone shares equally. To me black people are a lot more fun to be around and a lot more down to earth.

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Or weren't you reading carefully?

You can be in touch with your heart all you want to pal, just keep your hands out of my pocket when you do it. I'll take care of those that I want to take care of, like my family, friends in need and others that I voluntarily decide need my help. I don't need the government deciding for me.....or you either.

I don't find any race more "fun" to be around, I judge individuals by their actions, not their race.

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My, aren't we touchy. I never expressed any desire to get into your pockets, I believe that is a residual memory you have from your warped logic of calling me a socialist thief. No matter, I have decided to award you for your efforts, you now have my permission to kiss my tattoo.

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Touchy Rolling?

Not at all, but you should get in touch with yourself and recognize that it doesn't take much for those reading your earlier posts to understand that you are indeed a socialist.

Now whether you want to admit that or not is immaterial to me. When you start rambling about being in touch with your feelings in the context of my earlier post it's pretty clear what you're advocating.

Do you have piercings too? I would suggest you use your time and money more wisely and to begin reading more about important stuff. Here's something free and really short, https://mises.org/books/thelaw.pdf.

Did you know that the tattoo removal industry hit $180 million last year and it's growing at 39% per year. The primary reason people are removing tattoos is to find better job opportunities. Imagine that? Clearly discrimination isn't it?

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you should get in touch with yourself and recognize that it doesn't take much for those reading your earlier posts to understand that you are indeed a socialist.

Is Socialist a dirty word to you? Hmmmm - there was a guy in the Bible who professed some pretty socialistic/HUMANISTIC theories regarding how mankind should treat others. There are many philosophers, not necessarily religious, who professed some of these basic theories (socialism/HUMANISM). Hmmmm. - Liberty and justice for all. (A pretty socialist/humanistic theory) No elitism there!!!

Treating others with dignity; sharing in the responsibility of living in a community with others; accepting the responsibility of community WITHOUT GIVING AN UNACCEPTABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY OR PROPERTY UNWILLINGLY TO THE COMMUNITY - is not what most persons here express.Waht I have read here is
NOT 'socialism' as found in communes, etc. Your rhetoric and penchant for calling persons socialist if they believe in being a responsible member of a community is glaring. The tattoo industry? Really?

Elect persons to represent you who have integrity; work for you - not just corporate America; etc., etc., etc.; who listen to you - and not just those who give BIG MONEY to their election campaign. (Yep I'm beating a dead horse)!!

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Biblical Socialism - DM

Not sure what part you are considering, but the theme of the theories were to be occasional, not ongoing,but according to need (i.e. periodic deeds of charity). Poor people coveting what the wealthy have is bad.

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Love your neighbor as yourself. Occasional? Interesting interpretation. Thou shalt not covet - is clear/concise theory for all time. I agree - to covet is bad. Very possible that we have different interpretations of the words of the Bible - and that is the beauty of the freedoms that we are allowed to enjoy in this country. Just sharing my understanding. Sincerely, thanks for sharing yours. :-)

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I'm confused - I thought Socialism had more to do about property than love. The verse you reference shouldn't be used to promote Socialism. Maybe you were thinking about others?

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Brewsterr - socialism

noun
1.
a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2.
procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3.
(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

Sorry - I don't mean to confuse. It is difficult to imagine effective/humanistic societies without that practice of 'love, respect, concern, etc., etc., etc. The societies that have forgotten to implement humanism in their demonstration of their culture (ISIS/the SS )are frightening in my opinion. You are right in your definition. It is my perception that there are participants here who call anyone who shows concern, respect, 'love' for their neighbor as a person who embraces the dictionary definition of socialism. I disagree with their perception of 'socialist'.

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I admit to agreeing with enough socialism to make up for the deficiencies of capitalism, no more than that. Facts speak for themselves, anyone that thinks the black population is playing on a level field is practicing motivational reasoning. As to my rambling as you put it, look at it as trying to take the edge off of the angst of not having possessions and the worry of keeping possessions. My tattoo is in a very strategic place by the way.

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Good for you, so since you minimize your possessions, you want to minimize others ability to accumulate them, that way you can "make up for the deficiencies" of capitalism.

What exactly gives you the right to do this? Please try and explain it if you can. There must be some moral right?

Your tattoo should be easily removed by YAG laser, in the right hands you should experience minimal scarring. This assumes that you are trying to find meaningful work.

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Mud, as you know, Govt checking racial boxes . . .

. . . is a liberal mantra used to dole out bennies to politically favored groups. It started in an altruistic attempt to balance past wrongs of systematic discrimination against blacks, then it morphed into its own institutionalized monster that we have today. If only we could kill it, but conservatives in Congress don't have the guts.

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Some feel conservatives don't have the guts to include farmers, corporations, favored businesses/individuals, as well as minorities and women in the 'cuts'. What about entitlements based on income/education/ military service? What about Americans checking those boxes for entitlements? What about entitlements based on need - not gender or skin color? Would there be a big difference in recipients - or would it point out an unequal practice in our country?

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Can't segregate what you can't identify. Just a reason that I encountered while growing up. Many, many Americans of color have 'passed' since and before Jim Crow. Americans are a diverse group of human beings who are trying to show the globe that diverse humans can live together in relative peace. You ask excellent questions. Can you get your representative in Congress to do something about this?

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It's part of the process of managing entitlements and how they divide the spoils. This is not a joke and I am not smiling.

The actual need for a census comes from the Constitution and the need to re-apportion the House based on population. The socialists have used it to develop the thesis for groups and "diversity" in the name of equality and "progress".

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That's really worthy of a black uprising

By keeping track of the size of each group they limit the benefits to that group i.e. 13% black. If I were black, I would feel we as a group deserves a heck of a lot more than just 13% of whatever is in the government's swag bag.
March on Washington.

Population for voting and representation I understand. Ethnicity and skin color I do not. No one is forcing them to ask those questions or more to the point there hasn't been a strong effort to get them to stop asking those questions.

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I understand your opinion - what I don't understand is your lack of understanding that the 'black' community is comprised of Americans - just like any other community. The 'black' community is not the only community that receives 'entitlements' - i.e. farmers, etc. Please keep sharing. You're, IMO, sharing concerns that embrace both conservative and progressive issues.

How about issuing 'entitlements' based on income/education - etc.?

Non-violent uprisings may be in order. I'm sure that is what you mean.

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There's the rub

"How about issuing 'entitlements' based on income/education - etc.?"

So, it's more about the "formula" in distributing the plunder than the plunder itself. No moral issue at all, just how we can most easily divide the theft of future generations hope and the current theft of people's property through the vote.

There's the rub, there's the enslavement to the State.

Certainly, non-violent protests for more plunder are always in order for the socialists. Of course, they quickly become violent when they don't get the goods by other means, the vote. Once in power, they also like to burn books, use the tax codes to plunder and single out groups that don't meet their philosophical ideology.

Oh yes, that pesky "rag" of a Constitution keeps getting in their way too. Let's see what they do in the next two years to mitigate that "little" problem.

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Or you could put some common sense restrictions on entitlements

To wit:
1. Restrict food stamp giveaways to basic food like bread and milk and rice and beans. Maybe some Mac and cheese.
2. Unemployment only for 3 months and you must be signed up and actively looking for a job during that period and if you are offered one and don't take it, the benefits end.
3. Free or subsidized housing based upon real income need. Cannot be combined with other offers such as income tax credit and baby bonus for unwed mothers. Any member of the household convicted of a crime the whole family gets booted out.
4. Most important, if you are receiving any of these benefits from the government (which means other taxpayers, for those that don't know this) you are ineligible to vote. The point being that if you are unable to take care of yourself and you are forcing me to support you, then I should be able to vote and not you. Better yet, if pay more than $10,000 in federal income tax, you get to vote twice.

Good ideas, right?

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Is your Congressperson working on this for you?

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Nice post Mudcat. Especially no 4. I'd also like to add drug testing to those that collect Government entitlements.

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It's a start Mudcat, and good thoughts indeed, but unlikely. Once people are addicted to entitlement they don't give it up easily. After all it's someone else's money........yours.......but now it's theirs. Dependency is a cancer on our society.

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I'm for ending all farm subsidies as well

Then many farms will fail and the government can take them over and use them as housing/work camps for those that are unemployed or need free housing. Pretty simple idea. You are given free food and housing as long as you help produce the food or maintain the housing. You can bring your family, but after the kids graduate from the free government school they have to work themselves or or leave. They can work while they are in school and build up some credits for family members unable to work - like Grandma. Young men and women serving in the military get a generous credit for their family living in camp, maybe 3 years for every year served. Drugs and crime or any whiff of union activity gets the whole family tossed out of camp. Only union permitted would be the trash collecters and teachers. If this catches on across the country you will have little or no unemployment, higher graduation rates, no food stamps, no subsidized housing and dare I say it - less crime in the streets.

And if you are uncomfortable taking farms away from hard-working conservative families - just do the same thing on all the unused military bases.

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Robert, I agree completely re: farm subsidies as well as other

subsidies. There are subdivisions who advertise that buyers can get farm subsidies if they buy there. Not sure how this works--but someone will always find a way.
I remember when I was a young child that there were CCC camps. I think one of the C's was for Conservation--not really sure of the rest. These young men planted trees and did other things that needed to be done and were glad to get a paycheck. I do not know if they worked on infra-structures or not. This would not work today as the bleeding hearts would think it was terrible to ask these people to work out in the elements--that is was unconstitutional. Remember the outcry about the prisioners in Arizona living in tents, having to work--even about the food they were served. Why, how dare them make these poor prisioners earn their keep. These same people have never raised their voices about the conditions our young service personnel endure day to day. Wearing full uniform plus all their equipment. Sometimes going days before they can even remove their shoes, and when they do, peeling away their skin with their socks. Living in tents-if they are lucky, and eating MREs. Never knowing if the person extending their hand is a friend or if that hand holds a device to wipe them out. Remember when these service members had their tours extended, some several times? No outcry, no protests, no rallies. But, hey, they enlisted didn't they, they knew what they were getting into----now those on food stamps, housing allotments, tax credits for each child, etc., now that is a different story. They should not have to work for any of it--that is not the American way. If they were made to perform community service you would see the Jesses, the Als, the Hollywood liberals out there in their designer jeans, with the professional slits and tears and even some in cammos (which they have never earned the right to wear)protesting and yelling discrimination.

Robert, your ideas are great but I fear we have gone too far to the dark side for them to be implemented. What started out as a helping hand has become an entitlement and too many feel they are entitled. America, what a great country!

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Corporate farming needs no subsidies, companies should thrive or fail based on their abilities to compete, taxpayers should not be burdened with their inabilities. Food prices would be reduced, quality would improve and more people would be served by using free markets because people would vote with their consumption dollars every day for the best producer that satisfies their needs.

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Why are you still a citizen of the United States? You don't seem to have any allegiance or understanding of the Constitution, voting, democracy, etc. etc., etc. According to your sharing, it's not working at all. What country would you rather live in?

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Laughable - DM

Your post is laughable, "I" don't have any understanding of the Constitution?

What is not working? The Constitution? Democracy? People? Government? The economy? The justice system? You tell me what's working, make a case for something that's part of government that's working DM. Something that's working so well that we don't need any more money to get it done and we're looking to reduce our spending on it because it's working so well. Go ahead, I'll wait.

How was Cuba?

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SHE'S BAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!

What was that saying again?? Be careful what you wish for? Or ask about??? Wonder what a post would look like if the words black and race were verboten?

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Mytimite -

Ah come on - you have more substance to add to the conversation than this!! LOL!

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DM, MISSION IMPOSSIBLE!

Your assignment, should you decide to take it, is to write a whole post without bringing in the race card in any way shape or form. This includes things that happened in the past, present or projected future.

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MYTMITE-Really wonder

For kicks, don't you just wonder sometimes, if some on here just wake up and get pleasure out of banging their head against the bathroom wall...every...single...day? Or wonder if they take pleasure in pressing their index finger against a hot burner on the kitchen stove....every...single...day?

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Yes, she's back.....I love it.

Poltergeist, wasn't it?

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It was Jack Nicholson in The Shining...LOL

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Oh OK, I guess

I guess I need to watch more films.

On your other point, I put my hand on the hot stove every morning just to kick start the day. Then I post something to DM.

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You are a hoot....thanks for sharing....there is a special place in heaven for you, too.:)

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Cuba?

Have you been there? Please share. Where is any intended governing system working better than here? (Our government has all but 'shut down' because a man of color became president - but it is recovering from the shock!) What we call necessities are luxuries in most other countries, including the 'white' countries in Europe. If you are so unhappy, where would you prefer to be? Simple math - as things 'wear out', repairs must be made. As persons lose jobs which are sent overseas, they and their families still must be fed, cared for. (Our indigent are not left on the side of the road to beg - as in some other places on our globe. . .unless they choose begging). In my travels, it is always good to come HOME, and work within our system to implement change. I believe in our system which has adapted to 'change' for over 200 years. You, by your words, no longer have any faith in repairing what doesn't work. You're in the way of progress - but keep talking. Your brand of conservatism/libertarianism is important for all to see. . .and reject!

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Mr. Garlock
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Much of the knee-jerk claims these days about white racism just isn't true any more, and there is much black-on-white racism that reporters and pundits and - of course - civil rights leaders never mention or refuse to acknowledge

True in Fayette County! Thank heavens. But the ugliness of racial profiling for men and women of color is still prevalent in too many areas of our country.. I don't think I'm attempting to be politically correct when I say that Fayette County should be considered a role model of the new south. Having this discussion in a respectful manner is a joy! As you know, this has not always been the case. Your children and my grands are proud Americans, proud of their uniqueness. They, hopefully, will advocate for right, and never deny their uniqueness.. The United States is a unique country - and I love it!!!

I know what Civil Rights leaders you are referring to - but Martin acknowledged the improvement that he saw in his short life.

Have a great day!

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Mr. Garlock - Great advise

I can't tell you how much this strikes home with me personally. The fact is there is a underlying political motive in all this hyphenated "diversity" stuff. That along with "political correctness" infringe and suppresses free speech.

Socialism can't stand on moral principles and the only way to advance the philosophy is to suppress those that speak out against it. Calling someone racist that disagrees with your political philosophy is a socialist method of silencing opposition. Socialism can't survive without force and oppression of free speech and other basic Rights. Socialism in its extreme singles out races for persecution but it always divides to conquer. The end (the "vision") justifies the means.

Using race and ethnicity as a means to divide us by engendering and advancing the notion of victimization, socialists advance their philosophy. The world is not equal, it will never be equal because people are different with different abilities, skills and yes prejudices. Oh yes, and the world isn't "fair" either, in a free society we as individuals are empowered to overcome, and that's it. We should all stand on the content of our character and not the color of our skin.

Thanks for your post above, it is wise advise to your daughter that we can all learn from.

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PTCO - this one is just for you

LIFE IS NOT FAIR.
Get used to it. Virtue sometimes must be its own reward. The good guy often wins but sometimes the bad guy wins. Conniving and underhanded methods sometimes prevail but don’t obsess about it. Where there are more than two people there is politics, and those who make it to the top might be highly competent and deserving, or they might be butt-kissing bootlickers who never rock the boat, never take a risk, and always maneuver to make the boss happy even if it means stepping on their co-workers or subordinates. Conduct yourself with integrity whether the good guy wins or loses because the most important person to satisfy is the one in the morning mirror

Terry Garlock.

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They say two wrongs don't make a right.....

....but it makes me feel a whole lot better!

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