Racism is alive and well in America

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Years ago my office wall displayed the picture of two men I admired: John Steinbeck, for reasons I won’t bore you with right now, and Martin Luther King, Jr. (MLK), because he was right and had the courage of his convictions.

You may discount my opinion as a white man, but I believe if MLK could come back today he would be saddened that America remains stuck in group politics instead of judging each other on our actions and content of our character.

I think MLK would be even more dismayed at how black America has squandered so much opportunity, with over 70 percent of black children born to unwed mothers, many of whom become locked into a cycle of poverty, while black men are more than seven times more likely than whites to commit murder and eight times more likely to commit burglary.

It is easy to guess MLK would be appalled that about half of black males drop out of high school, and while blacks are less than 13 percent of the population, they are 40 percent of the prison population.

You’d have to stretch the facts to the moon and back to blame this disaster on white racism, and yet some try. Maybe some day we will get past the compulsion to place everyone in competing groups and look past appearances to judge each other on our actions, MLK’s dream.

If you are black, successful and hot under the collar at my comments, please know that white America is pulling for you and ardently hopes for blacks as a whole to succeed.

But there is a long way to go, not only in accomplishment but in our perceptions of one another, as we are reminded by the Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman case and the group politics that fan the flames of strife.

I don’t know the facts of the Martin-Zimmerman case well enough to conclude where fault lies and whether criminal charges are warranted, and neither do all the loudmouths who have gathered in polarized groups shouting at each other and spinning the facts to their prejudices. It is so easy to believe what we want to believe.

Leaping to the conclusion the black guy has been wronged by whitey is how Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton predictably make their living as race-hustlers. The disappointing part is how the news media treats them as serious people, and how so many blacks follow their lead.

Jackson’s specialty is shaking down corporations and other organizations, leveling racism charges that he is willing to mitigate so long as a sizable donation is made to his organization. Columnist George Will nailed it a long time ago when he observed, “No modern American farce is complete without a cameo appearance by Jesse Jackson!”

That was long before Sharpton became legitimate in the eyes of the media, when he was still trying to attract TV cameras with shouts of outrage on street corners in New York.

Somehow Sharpton gets a pass from the media from his discredited efforts, like his leading role in the case of Tawana Brawley, a 15-year-old black girl in 1987, falsely accusing six white men of sexual assault and whipping up a national frenzy.

As an agitator Sharpton is skilled, like his inciting a riot when he inserted himself in a real estate dispute, characterizing one party as a “white interloper,” which prompted one of his followers to murder the interloper and kill a number of others when he burned the building. Be sure to call Sharpton “Reverend.”

I understand these two clowns inserting themselves in the Martin-Zimmerman case to promote themselves, that’s what they do. What is unforgivable is President Obama making comments on the case that fan the flames of outrage before the investigation is complete.

You’d think he would have learned the hazards of inserting himself similarly in 2009 in the case of Henry Louis Gates, prematurely criticizing Boston police officers of racism when they were doing their job, then portraying himself as the peacemaker instead of apologizing as he should have done for being dead wrong, never mind that in his position he should have stayed completely out of it.

All of these things have at the root the presumption that the black guy has been wronged by white America, a racist presumption with a hair trigger.

If the President wanted to comment on the Martin-Zimmerman case, maybe he could have assured the American people that the FBI will investigate the New Black Panther Party’s announced $10,000 bounty on the capture of George Zimmerman, the man who shot Trayvon Martin. One wonders what they plan to do with Zimmerman once captured. Maybe they will get away with it, just as they did with voter intimidation in Pennsylvania in the 2008 election.

If the President wanted to comment on racially charged crimes, he could have mentioned Shawn Tyson, the black 17-year-old who was recently convicted of last April’s murder of James Kouzaris, 24, and James Cooper, 25, two white British students on holiday.

The two students were out for an evening of drinking when they wandered into a public housing project near the Newtown area in Sarasota, Fla. Tyson decided to rob the Brits at gunpoint, but they said they had no money, and while they pled for their lives, then 16-year-old Tyson shot and killed them.

You would think some diplomatic intercession might be called for, but the President has been too busy to respond to three letters from the parents of the dead Brits. I would bet you haven’t seen this case hammered on TV news since it doesn’t fit the preconceived mold of blacks as victims. That’s racist, by the way.

Was Trayvon Martin presumed to be trouble by a trigger-happy vigilante? I don’t know, but I do know something is missing from all the commentary I have heard from concerned black parents about “the talk” they give their kids warning them to avoid conflict, stay out of situations where someone, presumably whites, could hurt them by presuming they are not good people merely because they are black.

If I were black, I would be angry, too, to be suspected of criminal potential based on my appearance. But I hope I would be smart enough to direct my anger at the overwhelming number of young black men who commit a tidal wave of crimes, the ones who make me a target of suspicion by their egregious actions.

You can write anti-profiling policies and stomp your feet insisting that we all engage in willful blindness to ignore the obvious, but a little bit of common sense will sneak through the small cracks that still exist in the barriers of political correctness.

It would be nice if a black man could be judged on the content of his character, but so long as black men commit the preponderance of crimes, good black men will be unfairly seen as threats by those who don’t know them.

Racism will never disappear because we can’t control what lurks in each other’s heart. But maybe we could grow up enough to stop generating race-based frenzies with charges of racism where none may exist.

Maybe one day a genuine successor to MLK will step in to force the black community to take an honest look at itself, become the inspiration for all black Americans to shake off excuses, break down barriers and seize the opportunities of the American dream.

Maybe one day.

[Terry Garlock of Peachtree City occasionally contributes a column to The Citizen. His email is terry@garlock1.com For info on his book see www.garlock1.com.]

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Lettinggo, were you born a complete ass, or did you work hard

for that accomplishment? Why, when people are attempting to have a decent exchange of ideas would you have to come up with something like that----something that put you right up there as the poster child for the ugly, uneducated southerner. If such drivel tickles your funny bone, perhaps you need some major changes in your life and view point.

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I'm not racist either,

Once I had 3 black kids living in the neighborhood. I took them hunting one Saturday morning and gave them a 10 minute headstart.

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One must be able to recognize satire

and I expect lettinguno is practicing some.

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haven't heard it in years. classic white trash humor.

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lettinguno - I assume

you see nothing wrong with this "humor" because you posted it.

Think about this, what if one of those 3 kids in your "joke" was your kid?

Not so funny now is it?

So, is it just black kids you hate or is it kids in general?

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dude: you are sick

It's bad enough we have davids mom on here race baiting and stirring up hate; because she thrives on the race card and race baiting, and now we have you. You both need to stick your heads in a fire ant hill to cool off.

You both exist just to cause trouble and hate among the rest of us. We don't need your brand of racist crap. We get it you hate black people, and davids mom hates white people we get it, now move on.

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It's interesting that my call for celebrating the improvement in Fayette County race-relations you consider race baiting. Sky, I'm not the only one in America who wants racial harmony in our country - and it won't happen unless we stop trying to act as if it exists already. I have never 'hated' white people - and if you have surmised that from my words, I'm sorry. No one who hates 'white' people would move to Fayetteville, GA. Mr, Garlock has initiated an honest conversation. I hope that Kevin King will return to participate in what many have come to realize - that it will take individuals working together, facing the truth of what is continually dividing our country, and identifying what we as individuals, a community, etc. - can do to help to overcome this sickness of racism. I can't stir up what is not there - hate. Again, I feel that Fayetteville, GA should be used as a role model as what an American community can accomplish by learning to live peacefully with ones neighbors. In the climate of the Zimmerman/Martin tragedy, for one to post sick humor in the discussion is disturbing. Mytimite called for me to stop bringing up 'white' racism. I feel she is right - what we need to address is ALL RACISM in America. There appeared to be an agreement from others on this point. We here in Fayette County are not the only ones involved in this discussion. When the discussion evolves to honest comments, progress is being made. It is an uncomfortable discussion - but one that we all can learn from. I don't see any of the hate demonstrated in my daily contact with my neighbors in Fayette County - but hopefully celebrating our success in our churches, businesses, eating locations, etc., etc. etc. - we can ward off the negative thinking sometimes portrayed in the words in this discussion, The good thing about the discussion in The Citizen is that though there are people who are uncomfortable with the discussion, the discussion has turned to an agreement among some that we do need to work together on what we can do as individuals to move forward.

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DM it's your history that you cannot change

Mo matter how hard Michele Obama wants us to.

This is what you do.. You state that ALL AMERICANS and AMERICA is RACIST.

Then when the majority of opinions start to turn you go kumbayah can't we all get along.

Sky is exactly right on both assessments.

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DM wants Racial ...H.A.R.M.O.N.E.Y?

"It's interesting that my call for celebrating the improvement in Fayette County race-relations you consider race baiting. Sky, I'm not the only one in America who wants racial harmony in our country - and it won't happen unless we stop trying to act as if it exists already. I have never 'hated' white people "

You have been on this board for YEARS SPEWING YOUR VAILED HATE... and surprise surprise...everyone noticed...what you have never counted on is people calling your hand at it. That is what has happened over and over.

You don't understand southern whites...nor blacks...they get along a whole lot better than you want...and you can't stand it.. NOW THAT IS THE TRUTH THAT YOU HATE SO MUCH. They both have called your hand on here.

I think you moved here trying to 'enlighten' us all....too bad ...what a dissapointment this must be for you.

Truth is nobody buys into your BS!

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sugarfoot

DM is living proof that wisdom always doesn't come with age. She comes on here trying to lecture us all on race relations. Meanwhile, white people are 18 times more likely to be victims of crime at the hand of black people than at the hand of white people.

She has spewed some of the most vile, hateful rhetoric I have ever heard and has admitted as much to being a racist.

Anyone that takes any of the excrement that spews from her mouth seriously is a fool.

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DM and history

No one can deny that there is racism in our society, no one can also deny that there are other discriminatory features to our society as well. However, we know that the Constitution is always there to protect everyone's civil rights, not just blacks, but everyone. It is also there to protect property rights. In fact we know that both discrimination in race and infringed property rights exist. The difference is this, while the Constitution has been perfected to insure rights based on race, it has been corrupted to pursue other ends when it comes to property.

So, the fact that DM continues to demand legal perfection in our society when it comes to race, but denies others the right to their property is the highest form of hypocrisy. All rights to Life, Liberty and Property should be protected.

History teaches that if humankind can take someone's property and thus avoid labor, they will do so. That's the reason why we have laws against theft and why we have the Second Amendment. If they can use the force of law to do it for them they will. That is the reason that a strong central government was to be avoided at all cost and why the Constitution gave specific enumerated powers to the federal government with separate but equal branches. Thus, it is not surprising that no good socialist will acknowledge the existence of the Ninth and Tenth Amendments. Power is the Socialist's goal and the law is their tool to get it.

DM through her postings has made no secret that she agrees with socialist principles and philosophy. She simply uses race as a way of getting there, just as Mr. Obama uses the "rich" card, it is all for the same purpose. Consolidated centralized power of the state is the goal, at the expense of individual liberty and property rights.

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The Breadwinner

An emergency room physician told a nurse he knew that a woman in her late 20's came to the Illinois hospital's ER today with her 8thpregnancy.

The woman told the first doctor she saw: "My mama told me that I am the breadwinner for the family."

He asked her to explain. She said that she can make babies and babies get money from the State for the family. It goes like this:

The grandma calls the Department of Child & Family Services, and states that the unemployed daughter is not capable of caring for all of her kids. DCFS agrees, and tells her the children will need to go into foster care.

The grandma then volunteers to be the foster parent, and receives a check for $471 per child each month in Illinois.

Total yearly income:

$45,216 tax-free!

Not to mention free healthcare (Medicaid), plus a monthly card entitling them to free groceries and a voucher for 250 free Obamaphone minutes each month. This does not include WIC and other welfare benefits...that they are "entitled" to.

Indeed, Grandma was correct that her fertile daughter is the "breadwinner" for the family.

This is how the liberal politicians spend our tax dollars. When this generous program was invented in the '60s, the Great Society architects forgot to craft an end date.. and now we are hopelessly overrun with people who vote only for those who will continue to keep them on the dole....

No wonder our country is broke!

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PTCO

First and foremost - I am not a socialist by anyones definition. Second, since my forefathers were once considered property - I have a different view on the protection of property in the Constitution. I believe in freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for all Americans - and I do not believe in what your words have expressed IMO - that only an elite group of educated and accepted should be governing our country. I believe in the democratic from of government - with all of its flaws - to have worked well for over 200 years/ allowing the citizens to use the words of the Constitution to correct those flaws that denied all citizens the freedom, liberty, and pursuit of happiness that you feel you have been denied. So, this moderate Democrat supports you in using the Constitution to correct the flaws that you and others have identified. I have worked along those lines myself. There were those who even to this day feel that by giving others rights and privileges, it infringed on their rights and privileges. Well - that's the American way. . .and our justice system may be slow - but in the long run it works without resorting to violence. Continue to express your concerns - it just seems that you have no answers on how the country will operate for all citizens once we have eliminated 'government'.

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DM - You

You keep saying that I want to eliminate government, this is not true, you know it's not true. Yet, you keep repeating it. It is a typical socialist ploy, it's called the big lie. If you say it often enough people start to believe it's true. Other tactics are to attempt to humiliate your opponents (Ninja), attack integrity (Bacon), change the subject (DM), deflect the argument (DM), divide groups and pit them against each other (?), etc.

Now, you may say you are not a socialist but you are. You believe, based on your past posts, that it is government's role to transfer wealth from one group of individuals to another. This is based on majority rule. Is this correct or not correct?

I have in fact stated on many occasions on this board that the government should be significantly be downsized. That it should return to its intended purpose of protecting Life, Liberty, and Property. This is how the country should operate. The problem you have is not that I haven't given any solutions to the problems we have as a country, the problem is you don't like the solution. That is because you are a socialist. You actually believe that you have the right to take someone's property through the government by force of law. The law, if it protects our rights is justice, if the law is used to violate our rights by the majority or any other faction it is counter to justice. The law is justice only if it protects our rights.

Tell us dear lady how the government has the right to take someone's wealth and give it to someone else? What is the moral argument you have to defend this? Do you have this right, to take someone's property by force to give it to someone else? If you don't have this right, how can a group of people have this right? How can you elect someone to pass a law to do this? What gives them the right to pass such a law?

I am waiting for your argument, and waiting, and waiting.

You know what? You can't defend it because God gave us our lives, he gave us our freedom (Nelson Mandela proved this), and through both of these (Life+Freedom) we create property. Property is product of our lives and freedom. All three rights are inseparable, all three were protected by the Constitution.

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You're sick

What's wrong with you? Why would you write something like that?

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Exactly Mr. G

Thanks for that Mr. Garlock. Like I said before you are correct in your points. I'm a black man and you are a white man...doesn't take much for anyone to see that---people are going to assume that since you bring up this topic you are racist and they paint you in a different light. And because I'm black people feel its my issue to fix. Thing is I'm glad you feel comfortable bringing this up and I don't feel you are racist or acting racist in anyway. To fix the issue we have to ALL talk about the issues and realize that it's not a white issue or black issue. But a community issue. Black on black crime is so prevalent because the bad people who are black live by good people who are black so they hurt those that are close. Truth is those people will hurt anyone. I don't expect other white people to fix and correct white people who are bad. When those people in that community stand up many times crime decreases...black or white.
This is how I feel....we all recognize there is a problem out there---train wreck right. There are a lot of kids out threre in need of male mentors---someone who cares. Honestly I feel if a white kid needs a strong male role model there are no rules to say I can't be there for him and white men should feel the same way with a black kid. In my role I see a huge gap in guys learning how to be men....sadly mostly because daddy is gone or he is up to no good...and yes I won't sugar coat the issue---we all know it's mostly black youth....no secret.
The key to me is realizing this guy isn't bad because of his skin color....there are many other factors that feed it....the reason I see the most is no one really told him different and meant it.
Sir I commend you for bringing up this topic and allowing this platform of free speech to take place. It's funny how we all say we want to hold hands and be brothers and sisters but when race comes up we don't want to hold hands anymore. Because you can't say something that's obvious....thing is to all my white brothers and sisters please know that many black people feel the way you do. We see the news like you do, but notice you rarely see a black guy from Fayetteville committing the crime it's from elsewhere this alone tells me there are many other factors more prevalent than skin. You seem like a great guy who cares if we had more like you willing to stand and say it...and then take action that would be awesome. Fayette is a great place but it can be bad to if we allow it. Thanks again Mr. Garlock

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Thank you . If we stand together against crime we win. If we let the criminals and racists divide us we fail. We do need to stand together. You are correct the criminals are coming from clayton and fulton counties, black and white.

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GoDawgs1, squeezed for time with girls softball . . .

. . . tournament all weekend, maybe we could commiserate over coffee sometime. terry@garlock1.com

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I would welcome that...

Hope you enjoyed the game

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The mote in our eye

About two thousand years ago the Matthew the Apostle wrote in 7:5, "You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brother's eye."
That is the problem in most of these comments; We are still not heeding that wise councel.

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Correct, ptc87...

...we're still waiting for such guidance from 'Freethinkers'!! Bible-beaters, what can WE possibly know!

Good post.

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Just wow!!

I am shocked and dismayed by the racist hate from you, DM. And the other baiting and name calling from others. I agree that Jackson and Sharpton were instigators, at least in the last 20 years, and I don't think the black community needs their help, especially when they spew white-hate in nearly every statement made. I also think there is much we don't know, and that we need to get the media troublemakers out of the legal system.

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Mr. Garlock - I

I just wanted to say that I think you have performed a great local public service with your column here, you certainly have created a dialog among the regular visitors to the board. This dialog is emotional because your hypothesis that race is a factor in our lives continues without end and everyone is sensitized to it. "Visionaries" want a perfect world but I am afraid we will never see it. We can strive for it, but alas we are imperfect people.

My only comment to this raging debate is that discrimination of all ilks has been with mankind since we learned to walk on two legs. No form of society is without it and there will always be those that discriminate and those that are discriminated against. If the black and white race never existed, men would find something else visual or otherwise on which to discriminate. It's in our nature.

It is incumbent on each of us to live our lives under the Golden Rule. It is our only hope for a civil and just society. It is a rule handed to us by God for our instruction, it is up to us to follow it, if we can.

It starts with each of us as individuals.

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PTCO, totally agree that every person deserves to be . . .

judged as an individual on their own actions, not based on race or any other grouping. That said, and even though there are many blacks who are strong, successful and productive citizens, there aren't enough of them because taken as a whole the black community in the US is a train wreck, and it is long past time for excuses, time for leaders blacks will listen to facing the truth and doing what they can to turn it around. It isn't easy, it isn't pretty, and it hurts, but there it is.

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Terry Garlock

Please show me how to turn this wreck (black community) around by getting rid of those majority residents that live on the backroads of so many of our states, but especially here in the south! Then go to California and demonstrate how to clean up the prostitutes and drug dealers on Hollywood Blvd. Took a ride to deliver dental supplies in Tennesee. The poverty in these communities is disgraceful. Gosh, not one 'black' family. I guess you feel I should only concentrate on my own community. You hypocrite. Practice what you preach. Most of my work is in the Atlanta area. There are white Americans who work right along with black Americans. That is why I took the ride to Tennesee. There are some Americans who work together on improving American communities. You and others still demonstrate a racist attitude. I admit it is hard to rid oneself of these carefully taught attitudes, but believe it or not my attitude has changed greatly during my seven plus years in Fayette County. I have learned that there are Americans who see more than the color of ones skin.

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DM, I think you are an intelligent, motivated person and I enjoy

reading what you write on this site. I know you will probably want to jump all over my statements but I will express them anyway. From what you write here you do many things in the community and in your neighborhood and also in almost every blog you mention how your attitude has changed greatly in your seven plus years in Fayette County. Yes, there are Americans who see more than the color of one's skin and they exist everywhere. The one thing that is evident in every one of your blogs is that you resent any statement that is not flattering to blacks and manage to bring up some instance where whites are lacking. I think until we all accept the fact that there are things wrong with every race, every ethnicity, every gender we will get nowhere.

Yes, we can all bring up instances where whites attacked a black person with no provocation just as we can all bring up instances where blacks attacked a white person with no provocation. The difference in my opinion is the way these situations are handled. Usually we read of the blacks attacking a white person and there may be some coverage in the papers, maybe some ranting from a Rush or his ilk and that is it---apathy, maybe? But what bothers many of us and I think that includes many blacks is the way Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson jump on the bandwagon and the next thing you know you have hundreds of people in the streets yelling for justice. Of course, at that point they are too riled up to want the kind of justice that plays out over time in a court of law--they have deemed the individual guilty before they have had their day in court. Yes, you have your fringe lunatic group on the other side, be they Neo-Nazi, KKK or whatever. The thing is that these groups are not led by public figures such as Jackson and Sharpton and do not get the backing of the crowds that follow Jackson and Sharpton. My first thought when I see these hundreds of people marching and protesting,--what about their jobs? How do they hold on to their jobs when they are in the streets day after day? My other thought is why doesn't Sharpton and Jackson expend that energy in their communities,working with the young black men to show them the value of education, taking care of their family etc. I know Jackson was with MLK and Sharpton worked in the field with Civil Rights, and they are to be commended for that. The thing is they seem to not understand that it is time to move on and handle things in a different way. Help change the situation, not wait for an incident that will grab headlines and incite people to take to the streets. It almost appears that they want that time back--when it was necessary to march and protest. Yes, there are always wrongs that need to be addressed, but do it the right way. I have to respectfully disagree with you when you say you have overcome the prejudices you had, you are too ready to kill the messenger rather than listen to the message. To put it in a way that we as mothers and grandmoters can understand: You come off like the mother upon hearing that her child has gotten into trouble at school is too ready to put the blame on the other child rather than listen and learn that you child was equally responsible. I know you will not be happy with what I have said but I do hope you will at least think about it.

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Mytimite

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I have never denied my prejudices. I'm sorry that I have fallen into the same mode as others by pointing out the 'white' problem. I will try to refrain from doing that. My problem is that one or two here act as if there are no problems in other communities. My exposure in FC has taught me that this is not true - but The Citizen has begun writing about positive aspects of race-relations only in the past 4 tears. IMO. Because your exposure is possibly the main media ( conservative and/or liberal), you may not realize that the black media had been reporting on the Martin/Zimmerman tragedy since the week it happened. Nothing happened until the main media reacted to Sharpton and Jackson. This sends s message - if you want America to listen, get Jesse and Al. They are not our leaders, but they get the attention of the rest of America. At TV presentations, you see a couple of hundred supporters, but through social media, the black community has been signing petitions and supporting the Martin family since the week of the tragedy. Our community has been joined by tens of thousands of Americans and others in questioning the implementation of the Stand Your Ground Law. We questioned why such a cursory investigation into his death. Now the case is in the hands of the justice system. We're awaiting the facts. Some think Trayvon is the aggressor, some think Zimmerman is the aggressor. Check to see the dates and times of the marches. No one in this country works 24/7. Many were students on spring break. Most of the organization was done by college students -black and white. They do have the right to peacefully assemble and protest. Understandably, because of the racial implication, this makes some Americans uncomfortable. Very similar to the Civil Rights movement-yes? I have not made a judgement in the Zimmerman case, for I don't have ANY facts except a young black man is dead by the hand of someone who was following him because he looked suspicious. Like all mothers, I want to have the facts before I punish my child. I'm sure you feel the same way. As a school administrator, I prepared for the mother who felt her child could do no wrong by having all the facts before the parent conference. Mothers should always be advocates for their children - but facts are difficult to dispute. I'm not unhappy with your sharing. Hope I've helped your understanding of my position.

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MYTMITE - well

spoken.

Prejudice comes in all colors and it is almost never recognized by its perpetrators. This is the common denominator of conflict and human suffering unrecognized hate in ones heart. Like everyone else, DM is human. We simply have to forgive her failings, just like we too have failed.

The only answer is God's instruction to us in the Golden Rule.

We reap what we sow.

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DM, I don't know the answer . . .

. . . and I also know there are successes and failures everywhere. I think it was PTCO who observed a deep concern that the majority of all Americans have little knowledge or appreciation of the roots of our country, and he is dead on right about that. My concern in this column is the epidemic of failure in the black community that has perpetuated misery and wasted so many lives that could have been fruitful, a sad waste that has been made worse IMO by the race hustlers who take personal advantage of opportunities for public complaint. There is just one thing that all could do to begin a turnaround, and that is to stop with the excuses.

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Terry Garlock

You don't know the answer - but you are refusing to look into the causes of poverty in this country - regardless of the race of the citizen. Let's look at the south. Years of inadequate education for 'all'. Currently the southern states are at the bottom of the academic achievement scale. . . The south has had a class system and a segregated system since the beginning. History and personal essays/diaries tell us that the plantation owners could foresee and feared a cooperation between poor whites and former slaves - and PLANNED a system that would at least make this poorer class feel superior to someone (slaves) and instituted segregation to keep these two majority populations apart. Plantation owners and possibly fathers of some of the house slaves also wanted the slaves to feel superior and loyal to the plantation owners - so they gave large amounts of land to their slaves when setting them free. They also broke the law, and provided education for these children of slaves. Now you have a 'class' system in the south that has been difficult to break - regardless of 'race'. For years, education in the United States, coupled with hard work almost guaranteed success in life.. But racism and classism again took part in making it more difficult for certain Americans to crash the glass ceiling (let's don't forget sexism). These aren't excuses - just facts. You dwell on the too large segment of the black community - and appear to blame them solely for their failure. Then it is apparent that you are not part of the AMERICAN community who practices the Golden Rule. Fortunately, I work side by side with Americans of all races who are working to help those who are less fortunate in this country, regardless of their race. What you don't realize is what the illegal drug industry has done to the poor and rich children from the past 3 generations in this country. You are most fortunate if you don't have a member of your family whose natural ability has been stifled by the use of legal and/or illegal drugs. The black community has been inundated. (and sadly, when we first arrived to FC, we noticed that your young people were purchasers of drugs from the dealers from here and Clayton County. You should be grateful to your law enforcement team, who saw the problem, received education from other areas that had a drug problem, and are on top of this insidious killer of our children's minds. As long as people like you Mr. Garlock feel that you have no responsibility in helping your neighbor of another color - and feel that your neighbor is not trying to help himself, you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. The black community like the white community in Fayette County has worked hard to live in this area where education is available; crime is low; and there is an element of peaceful living that one does not find in a big city. You have absolved yourself of any responsibility to crime and poverty in America by focusing on the black community and two of its leaders. Who in your family is president of the United States? This man is a product of two educated people; raised by a single mother; and two adoring grandparents - and by the color of his skin, is considered a part of that community that you malign. There are tens of thousands of black Americans who have succeeded - yet you feel that it is only the problem of the black community to end poverty, lack of education, and crime in their community. Well, again I say, show us how by ending the problem in the white community. Or - do you think that by working together, Americans can put aside their 'isms' and work together to improve education, secure jobs for all who are willing to work, be more mindful of assisting law enforcement in stopping crime? I do. . . and so do many right here in Fayette County. Change begins at home - and Fayette County is ahead of a lot of communities in this country. Maybe it's time for you to move Mr. Garlock. There are too many people who don't approve of your thinking. . .and want to work with their neighbor, regardless of color,

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My point Mr. Garlock

My point Mr. Garlock, is that there is a correlation between the deterioration of our society (including the black community) and the absence the understanding of the philosophical underpinnings of our country. They are inextricably linked.

So, while your premise is flawed (the black community is a train wreck) the symptoms you observer need to be discussed for their causes and cures. For this, I thank you for your observations on race and the black community. Now we need to acknowledge the actual problem and see if we as individuals can do something about it through educating those that know nothing about it. Even if they think they do.

Since you have a public forum, you are more responsible for this than most.

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PTCO, you make your arguments, I'll make mine . . .

. . . but don't heap responsibility for educating the public on me. I write an opinion column whenever the mood moves me and send it to The Citizen to publish if they wish, you can do the same.

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Mr. Garlock

If not you? Who?
If not now? When?

Why do we send our young to serve and sometimes die? What do they serve? What do they protect?

Am I a voice in the wilderness? I don't expect to be, nor do I want to be.

Keep up your work Mr. Garlock there are too few that do.

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Mr. Garlock... the comments you are making here are very disturbing. Calling the black community a train wreck and that blacks are making excuses. As a black man I find that very offensive. The sad part is there are parts to all of our communities that are train wrecks--as PTC Observer says as a whole the entire nation has parts that are bad. However there are great parts. It is this seperatist attitude that has people at odds now. And who are you talking to when you say enough with the excuses. So the black people that you see and pass each day are making excuses for things now. Generalizations and Stereotypes feed the racism.

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This is tough love GoDawgs1 . . .

. . . and a train wreck it will remain so long as excuses give it cover. May I suggest instead of wasting energy being offended, maybe you could speak out about the train wreck since as a black man you would have so much more credibility than I do?

You are right that every "community" has problems, but one does not excuse the other and that is another conversation for another day.

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Terry Garlock

Commenting as an outsider and using stereotypes and generalizations to make your points are disurbing. But you are opening the eyes of many. Maybe you can help by sharing what you are doing to help your community? (Is your community the 'white' community?

By the way, how do you know that GoDawgs1 is not already working in his community? Again a stereotype. Tsk, tsk.

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Exactly DM

Mr. G... This is exactly what I mean. I am a youth minister at my church. I mentor many kids most black. But you are you to tell me that I need to fix the black problem. Once again you are saying we as black people need to fix this black issue because its all a black thing. So as a mentor if a white kid has an issue do I not help him with the same fervency that i would a black kid.

This is my point to you sir. You keep saying its black and if I were black and black people need to stop making excuses for the black people. I'm a man first. If I have a neighbor in Fayette who is white isn't he apart of my community. So shouldn't we all help to fix the so called black problem. Because last I saw there are whites and blacks in trouble. All our youth need a helping hand.

Thats were I take issue. The points you made are exactly right but you can't just say it's a black thing. It's a people thing. I want to move away from thugs just like you, I see a thug and I'm going the other way. Period. Hoodie on a white guy who looks like he is jogging won't bother me. Hoodie on a white guy with many tats on his face I'm a little nervous. Hoodie on a black guy who is jogging no problem. Hoodie on a black guy with saggy pants and a tats I'm nervous. You see this is a people thing sir. Your tough love will not work unless you choose to nto push it as a black thing.

Personally sir my community is your community--Fayetteville... Whites and Blacks stay here.
You can't tell me who I can choose to help. If I help a room full a white kids succeed who were on there way to failure I feel just as good as if they were black. Because they need my help just as much.

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GoDawgs1, you are exactly right . . .

. . . and I couldn't agree with you more. The back-and-forth always drifts the conversation off the original topic, and you are handing back to me the very same arguments I use with other people. Putting people in groups is antithetical to what I believe, and giving the appearance of lecturing you on your duties is wrong, I shouldn't have. So let me back up a little.

I tell my adopted Chinese daughters that they will be expected to call themselves Chinese-Americans and advocate for that group, and that I hope they call themselves Americans who happened to be born in China, and advocate for everyone. The balkanization of America is part of our problem.

I also tell my kids that I admit that I do judge people, but based on their behavior, not what they look like or where they came from. I believe those things strongly, so cudos to you for working with kids to help them on the right path, and even better when we ignore those imaginary racial lines - I have done so too but maybe not as well as you.

And yet the train wreck is still there. I took a risk in bringing it up, and while some may assume my motive is hate of some sort, actually I care enough to take the licks that come with raising a tragic subject that gets ignored when it should not.

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Terry Garlock

Excuse me if I have misunderstood what you have said about the 'train wreck'. I perceive an arrogance in your assuming that the black community has ignored our own problem and as individuals and organizations are doing nothing about it.

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For DM and others I have irritated . . .

. . . before this conversation dies I want you to know that the issues I have raised about racism and train wreck in the black community - and my mind is not changed at all - are not my primary concern, but still vital to our country, and I take the risk of your ire because I do care. Of even more concern to me are the issues raised by PTCO like the overall cultural decay in America, ignorance and apathy about the birth of our country and the threats to our constitutional balance, celebrity focus, inept and unbalanced media, disconnect between our armed forces and citizens, etc.

But I write opinion columns when an issue moves me, and there is more than one problem to address. The Martin-Zimmerman yelling contest was an opening to talk about the train wreck in the black community, but there is a train wreck among whites as well. One disaster does not excuse the other. Call me an alarmist, but I wonder if America has already passed over the hump and is descending irreversibly down the slippery slope of decay. I fear for our country.

And with a nod to Cal and The Citizen, I want you to know he has never once, not one time, tried to influence what I write, and I thank him for publishing what I write without tinkering with the language, letting me make my own mistakes.

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Terry for me the last post on this....

For years the anti-Jessie Jackson, Sharpton and Crazy Louie crowd has pointed out the "Train" wreck that is in their own backyard.

There is racism in America.. well that's a duh fact. But to ignore the issues and blame someone else for those failings is blindness defined.

Bill Cosby some years back tried to point out these facts and the Black Community/NAACP turned on him with a swift fury that shocked Bill Cosby, much like DM did to me when all I did was relate the number of homicides as reported by the FBI.

It's a visceral and knee jerk reaction by the haters and baiters that wish to blame others for the deficits in their own Community.

Until the Race Pimps inc. gets out in their own community to "protest" the 8000 Murders committed by blacks on blacks then they have no standing/credibility in cases like in Sanford, Fl.

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S Lindsey & DM

SL, the point I was trying to deftly make with the title "Racism alive and well in America" is my opinion that the overwhelming racism we see these days is not whites against blacks, but "blame whitey" or other excuses. I don't think I made that very clear.

DM, I would be happy to buy you a cup of coffee sometime, but no need to prove to me how much good works many people are doing trying to instill good values in black youths. I know that many have sacrificed and even devoted their lives to that virtuous work.

Remember the fierce backlash against Bill Cosby when he spoke about cultural issues in so many black communities, lecturing blacks about taking responsibility for their lives?

Here's a small current example of the culture of excuses that does not help. This morning on the Fox channel 8:30am The Georgia Gang TV show that focuses on Georgia issues, the subject of dismal high school dropout rates came up. Commentator Alexis Scott, a respected and well-spoken black woman who is an ardent defender of anything black, observed that the fault is how teaching methods have not kept pace with advances in technology, that the poor kids are bored sitting in class listening to lectures. Poor things. But she did leap right past the issue of parental involvement, lack of discipline, promotion of thug culture while denigrating academic excellence, focus on rights instead of responsibilities, etc. Last week she excused the same issue by saying the govt was to blame for not spending more on minority jobs programs.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me nothing will shift in the right direction until people take responsibility for their own actions, circumstances and future, however hard the work may be. Struggle is central to the human condition, whether you are white, black or any other color or ethnic origin.

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Let me know when and where. The need for parent education and the guidance for correcting the mixed messages that all children receive today is a real concern of those who work with today's young people. After working with American families of all races, skin color is still used as a guide for interaction and/or reaction to many individuals . Anderson Coopers special is bringing this out. I feel there is no excuse for bad manners , cruelty , bullying, etc. As you know, not all black people make excuses. As I read more of your words, I realize that you don't believe the entire black community makes excuses for our condition, or wastes time blaming the white community. (many challenged Bill Cosby because it appeared he was singling out the poor in our community). Today Bill Cosby is a welcomed speaker in the black community - and the love for him and his wife and family is strong. Your title is based on truth. For those who deny that racism exists, they IMO have blinders on. I believe in the power of truth, and each person sees his/her own truth based on their experience. It is difficult to hear it's the white man's fault if you're white and the black man's fault if you are black. Reacting to excuses is not necessarily dealing with the problem. The fault lies in our history and our inability to learn from our mistakes and/or fear of change or differences. It was very gracious of you to offer coffee - thanks.

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There are problems with the degredation in both the white and black communities and it has mostly to do with the decline in the concept of the traditional American family. With a 70% out-of-wedlock birthrate in the black community, the "problem" has now become an epidemic and a never ending downward spiral. Some on this blog will say that we all have to pitch in to make things better. I disagree with the concept that it "takes a village" to raise children to become good citizens. It takes a loving mother and father, and that is what has caused the train wreck.

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Well since this subject....

has been thoroughly debated; what's next?????

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There is an opportunity here for people who care to learn what more can be done by working together. To feel the discussion is over and move on - is the problem. Sad. The problem will continue to fester - and spread to the eventual ruination of our country. Everyone in the discussion has spoken the truth as they see it. There are some areas where we all agree. Why try to ignore this - and move on? Interesting.

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Remember, I'm now labled as "narrow-minded" on race. Anyways, I hope you can make it for the upcoming coffee thingy.

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Did I say that??? :-( I would love to make it on the 28th, but my oldest son is coming to 'check on the old folks"
I just loved seeing persons with different points of view talking about working together. Oh well. LOL If MLK hadn't had rose colored glasses, I wouldn't be living here in Fayetteville!! What a gorgeous day!

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Mr. Garlock, I too share the concerns you mention regarding the

downward spiral in our country. It seems too many people are worried about all the wrong things. We all need to admit that things are wrong in many areas and all pull together to make the needed changes, instead we get into a war of words with any one who dares to express these fears. I commend you for saying what you feel needs to be said and standing your ground after saying it. We have too much to lose to bicker among ourselves about who is right and who is wrong. The problems are huge and there for all to see. It's like a house on fire that is full of people bickering about who may have started the fire rather than working together to put it out. Sad to say, all you end up with is a burned out shell and a group of angry, homeless people. More and more this seems to be the future for our country if we do not pull together to see that things change. We have too much to lose to get our feelings hurt when we hear the truth.

Again, thank you for your well expressed thoughts.

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Terry Garlock

Thank you for not being afraid to irritate! What you have done is make many of us realize that because of our hesitancy to express our opinion regarding race, there is a serious understanding gap due to lack of knowledge from participants in the discussion. Enjoy your weekend with your family! If you are at all interested, there is a wealth of information regarding the work that individuals and organizations (black) have done and are continuing to do to avert the acknowledged train wreck in the black community and the American community due to poverty, inadequate education and a division among American citizens since black humans were brought to our shores as slaves/property. Thousands of children have been mentored, tutored, received scholarships, received homes through the cooperative work with Habitat. The train wreck in any American community will have consequences on all Americans. You have been public with your name. I would love to meet with you with the evidence of what the black community has attempted to do to secure success for more in our community. We have been assisted by many individuals and organizations of different ethnicities. What has been discouraging is that we have had to fight for legal help from the impositions found in state and federal law that have been a detriment to black progress in the country that many of us have fought and died for since the Revolutionary War. ( Crispus Attucks was a black colonist)
Enjoy your weekend. It's not your use of the term 'train wreck', but the assumption that the community (black and/or white ) is not addressing it.

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Mr/ Garlock - Thank you

Thank you for all you have done for our great country, your past service, your service now, and your service in the future.

I will refer you to a book that you should read about Honor, "Honor: A History" by James Bowman. It is a book that I think many should read but you in particular.

Its conclusions about the absence and intentional destruction of honor in Western society and the culturally instilled honor of those enemies seeking to destroy Western Civilization are particularly chilling. It illuminates what we are up against. Good men must always seek to expose the root causes of our decay and those factions that promote it.

America is doomed without your voice and voices like you. We can only hope that the philosophy of the socialists may be exposed for what it is and that good men everywhere take us back to our founding fundamental principle of the protection of our rights: Life, Liberty and Property.

There are few honorable men left Mr. Garlock.

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Your point is expressed with excellence. Thanks.

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DM - You're

welcome, does this mean that I am no longer "disturbing" to you? ;-)

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LOL! No, but it demonstrates that people who have different views on one issue may agree on another. Our politics are different, but not our humanism.

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DM - Humanism?

I am not sure what you mean by this....but I guess I will take it in a positive way.

Just to be clear though, I don't separate my "politics" from the "individual" so if that's "humanism", then you may actually be intellectually salvageable DM.

However, given your entrenched ideas on the vision of "common good" concept (AKA, theft by the majority of property through force of law), I doubt it.

Now I guess I am disturbing you?

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LOL. No PTCO. I 've accepted that you are content for the rich to pay less taxes than the middle class. I just congratulate you that you are not a separatist based on skin color.

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No, no, no, DM

That's just not right, I am content to have EVERYONE pay a whole lot less tax for a much, much, much, smaller government. That includes you and everyone that reads these pages.

What do you have against the rich DM? Don't you want David to be rich? Now how can he be rich if there is a whole lot of people like you taking his money away from him?

Remember it's up to the government to decide who's rich DM and you know who works for the government don't you DM?. So, I guess it won't be long until everyone that works for the private sector is rich. These folks are all responsible for paying for all the other folks that work for the government.

It's kind of like you ignoring visual evidence of voter fraud, you know if you ignore these things or call them "pranks", they just go away.

Anyway, I have to get back to paying my taxes today.....have to pay my "fair share".

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I stand corrected. Thanks. Don't agree with your interpretation of reality. David pays the lower rate today- and the adjusted rate won't hurt him one bit.

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Sorry - I still keep repeating posts!!

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Mr. Garlock - Black Community

I am somewhat surprised at your premise can't you say the same thing about parts of other communities as well? Generalizations can be troubling....I believe they are also called stereotyping? I don't think you or I can take any segment of our large society "as a whole". It is simply not within our intellectual grasp.

I will grant you this, the entire US society is in a decaying orbit philosophically, ethically and morally. Much, if not all, of it stems from an entitlement mentality fostered by the government nanny state and the cult of celebrity. The cult of celebrity and its acceptance and reinforcement of the misogynistic gangster ethos has taken its toll on the black community more than most; however, this is not exclusively a black phenomena.

The real train wreck is the nearly complete absence of knowledge of the philosophy that created our great nation and what this ignorance has wrought on our current society. A government dependent citizenry is devoid of the ability and incentive to "turn it around", that goes for blacks, whites, native Americans, and any other way the government can divide us to keep us dependent. We all become special interest slaves to the political elite "masters" the more we let them divide us.

Remember if we are fighting each other, then we don't notice the elephant in the room, but we do feel its presence.

Most on this board don't accept or recognize this fact, you may be a notable exception, but then maybe not given your premise above.

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I'm still waiting S. Lindsey, DM, others...

...on when these men will be arrested for killing the unarmed teen in this story, whose only crime was 'aggressively approaching' the guards when he thought his sister was threatened (by another girl). I posted it a couple of weeks ago but no one here, or much anywhere else, noted it. The similarities to the Martin-Zimmerman case are striking (I imagine apt. complex security guards have about the same lethal force approval/options as a neighborhood watchman):

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/teen-allegedly-shot-killed-apartmen...

Oh, wait; the 2 shooters/murderers/killers were black... NOW I see why it's not a big deal; no $$$ in this for Sharpton & Jackson, but yet an unarmed, innocent teen is dead. You'd think these 2 guards could physically subdue a teen...

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Sharpton and Jackson did not do the leg work for getting over 1 million signatures and/or organizing the protests throughout this country and abroad. You 'black leader' haters are giving too much credit to these two. You're right tho - black on black crime just doesn't get the coverage as white/black crime. Sad. A product of 'group' racism in the US.

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Good point, DM...

...and I agree, but they did, and do, instigate and promote much of the hype, egged on by overexposure in the media. Again, an innocent teen died at the hands of someone not authorized to utilize lethal force, but alas the color issue is not the quality race-bait the media & 'those two' prefer to exploit.

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One point KC

Zimmerman was licensed to carry... So if he felt his life was in danger technically he was therefore "authorized to use deadly force".

His burden is to prove that endangerment.

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Just a thought SL

Using the Stand Your Ground Law, if Martin was alive and could testify as to his thoughts during the confrontation - he might be able to say he was standing his ground in the presence of imminent danger. This strange man was following him in a black SUV - (a car favored by gang members in the urban area) - the man disappeared for a while, and then reappeared on foot. Hmmmm. May be Trayvon feared for his life because this unknown 'gang' looking individual kept following him. Oh well - we'll not know about that since Trayvon is dead.

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DM one has nothing to do with the other...

Stand your ground had nothing to do with the shooting.. This is just another ploy by Race Baiters inc...

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Mr. Zimmerman was not arrested for killing Trayvon based on the Stand Your Ground law. That is the basis of his defense, he was in fear for his life and could not retreat. We'll see what comes out in the trial.

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Again DM SYG had nothing to do with it...

SYG is a moot point.. If you are attacked you have the right to defend yourself. No "Law" changes that basic fact. His defense team will not even use that defense in Court. It is a concept law not an actual actionable one.

This will help...

http://thecitizen.com/node/10708

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That little technicality, SL...

...is going to be HUGE in this trial. I am very surprised, give the 'stand your ground' FL law, that they went for 2d degree murder; I think that'll be hard to prove. I thought they'd have a better shot at manslaughter, invol or vol, because if the jury finds him not guilty for 2d degree, the baiters are going to go ape-s**t(as like how the Casey Anthony trial turned out).

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Racism, Another Perspective

All this banter back and forth blaming one another for being scum sucking racist dogs, when peoples of differing origins have made war upon one another and committed the most vile of atrocities since the beginning of recorded history. We in America have little perspective of what inhumanities our fellow man is willing to commit on another human being. Yet we pick and choose the instances upon which we decide to protest, and ignore the literally thousands of other more heinous crimes simply because of political expediency.

Take for example slavery, is there anyone in the blogosphere that believes slavery has been abolished? Does anyone truly believe that ethnic cleansing was halted with the demise of the Third Reich? Or perhaps someone might just still believe that religious wars ended with the Crusades. I would wager that there are many in our country who cling to these beliefs, and a larger number so naive that they could easily be led to believe such.

It was tragic that a young man wearing a 'hoodie' lost his life, but even more egregious is the fact that no real lesson will be learned. That 'gansta' lifestyle will continue, others will feel threatened, and the cycle will continue. As for me, I'm removing the hoods from all my outdoor sporting apparel.

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A true realist and humanist. Maybe if some could venture to have a discussion about racism in this country - it's current practices and the improvement noted over the past 30 years, a lesson may be learned. I'm afraid if we all cut the hoodies off our jackets, we'd have to acknowledge it's the 'skin color' that creates the fear.

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DM

Could it be that an avowed racist is addressing me?

But, to answer your question if we all shed our 'hoodies' and accept full responsibility for ourselves as individuals, then most of the fear you equate with skin color would soon dissipate.

We agree that the practices and improvements over the past thirty years have created lessons that we must note. Those of spiraling dependency on welfare, the vast majority of minority children being reared by single parents, rampant violent crime as an accepted culture, and the list could go on.

BTW, as far as venturing into a serious debate on race or racism, I would strongly suggest you drop the skin color defense and accept the reality that differences do exist.

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Given: differences exist between some blacks and some whites
Given: similarities exist between some blacks and whites
Given: too many American citizens are on some type of welfare
Given: there are not many white parents who fear for their sons when they leave the house wearing a hoodie.
Given: in these United States it would be difficult to discuss race or racism by dropping 'skin color'.

You know Mr King as much as I promote celebrating race relations in 2012 in Fayette County , I still am weary of white men in pick-up trucks. Some fears based on past experience are just hard to get over. Right?

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Mike King ... that's a good

Mike King ... that's a good comment sir.

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Probably more alike than difference.will we take time and notice

You know it’s funny as I read through the article and then through the comments—I find myself agreeing with most of the points made. The only thing that kind of bugs me is the tone and the generalizations made across groups. “If I were a black person”. So as a black person I’m supposed to tell my children not to wear certain clothing because you are black. Not because they make you look suspicious but what I’m saying is the white kids at your school can wear this but as a black person you can not. And it’s not because it makes you look suspicious but because you already make people uncomfortable but with the hoodie on you make them even more so. That is the issue I have with the article. I would basically be telling my kids that people are scared of you and nervous. What I’m saying is it’s not the hoodie it’s the skin tone you have a problem with. To be honest if I saw a guy…no matter color walking in my neighborhood with a hoodie…I’m suspicious. Tell me this when was the last time you saw a guy in a hoodie and what did you notice first his skin tone or the hoodie. What made you more nervous the hoodie or the skin tone. Folks are all up in arms over this hoodie. I’ve never heard of anyone until this case getting killed or beat up or locked up because they wore a hoodie. You? So will I tell my kids to not where them. No. they can wear them. But I’ll tell you this. My kids and the many of the black kids I know—will not and do not wear their pants hanging or dress like thugs. But a lot of the comments I’ve read on here make the generalizations that all of black people do.

Here is all I’m saying when you say if I were black—that doesn’t make sense because you are only looking at one thing—clothing. You are making a generalization for all black people.
I see all the articles here and there in the comments—Neo-Nazi, Black Panther, Mike Tyson, Jesse Jackson. Lets get one thing straight That Neo Nazi and Black Panther stuff are extreme groups. I don’t know any Nazis or Black Panthers. I’m a black person and the only leaders in my life are my parents, my pastor and mentors I choose. I’ve never listened to nor followed Jesse or Al. Funny thing is most black people don’t. Trust me people the 100 or so people you see on t.v. do not represent the masses--there are more black people than that.

To me just like with everything else. This article and the points made are very media driven.

That said I don’t disagree with you there are a lot of young blacks committing crimes. Sadly you make the generalization that as whites and blacks we are in these groups and you say in your comments “ the black community sweeps it under the rug”…can you please define for me the black community. These race groups are a joke. I’m a black man. I choose my friends by who I like, my church, my place of work etc. I’ve never gotten with other black people to try to hide things from anyone. The media reports how it wants to report. Please tell me how the black community does this.
Is there a white group that makes decisions for what white people reveal and what they don’t? How does this work? Who is the leader of these communities?
Black people have leaders about as much as white people have a leader….we are not a group, gang, or tribe who gather behind some leader. We are all people.

MLK was a leader only because he was driving for equality. These guys are driving for money for themselves…no leader of mine—some of the comments they make and hate they spew is deplorable. Most black people, strangely enough, are like white people. When we see thugs we run too. A suspicious black guy is after me just like you.

Sadly I just don’t like the undertone of hate in the comments article. I know many of you are everyday regular Americans….just recognize that most black people are too. There are bad seeds on both sides. Can’t deny the fact that most white crimes may be more white collar than black. Just recognize that a lot more goes into that than skin tone.

When you place the articles in the comments it’s like you saying hey all black people feel this way. And my God…saying that Tyson had something to say. What merit does that have? You really think black people are listening to him. The articles about some black guy killing or hurting a white person…those are horrible crimes I agree. But whether they get coverage or not is not a black or white issue…it’s a media issue. And black people are not in the background cheering on these criminals—I want them locked up, I want to move away from them.
This is my community just like yours. I hate it when I see all the crime bleeding from Clayton, Union City, Dekalb and Fulton just like you. Just know guys—don’t hate or discriminate against me based on my skin tone (again the hoodie is very little to do with it)

All I’m saying guys is by reading this and the comments racism is alive. And we feed it by pushing the separatism agenda—the race grouping, if I was black I would do this, stuff like that. It seems more like from reading this article we need to get to know each other—black and whites. I know that sounds very Kum Ba Ya ish but it’s true.

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Mr. Garlock, as usual you have produced a well written, well

thought out article. If people would put aside their blinders and read what you have written with an open mind they would see the truth in your statements. But, of course, it is easier to keep putting the blame everywhere but where it belongs. Whenever I see or hear Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson I know the coffers must be getting low and the hate mongering will begin. It is sad that both of these men do not expend their time and energy working to make their neighborhoods safer, to direct their young followers to be responsible, upstanding citizens, instead of inciting to riot at every opportunity. Of course their outrageous actions draw more media attention which they both dearly love. And our media---how they love to see and hear these buffoons. It is sad to see what is happening to so many black young men. Why aren't Jesse and Al upset about that? Why are they not seeing that these young men get the educaton they need, why are they not mentoring these young men to be responsible fathers, responsible citizens? Because it does not grab headlines, and sad to say, that is what they are about.

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Quote: If I were black, I
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If I were black, I would be angry, too, to be suspected of criminal potential based on my appearance. But I hope I would be smart enough to direct my anger at the overwhelming number of young black men who commit a tidal wave of crimes, the ones who make me a target of suspicion by their egregious actions.

In the seconds before the young black man died, I think his anger was directed at the man who shot him. . .and I don't think color of his killer was on his mind . Certainly not a 'white' man.
This discussion is repeating some of the same concepts found on the hate blogs. Sad.

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DM - don't know what the hate blogs are . . .

. . . or what they are saying.

My observations were of course not about what Trayvon was thinking just before he died, a terrible prospect for anyone of any age. My comments were about black men being seen as a threat because of the tidal wave of violent crime committed by black men, not because whites are racist. I do realize it is more complex than that but you could get the point if you were willing.

That great buffoon, Jesse Jackson himself, said publicly that when he hears footsteps behind him in Washing DC at night, he doesn't like admitting but he is relieved when he turns and sees a white man rather than a black man, and feels safer.

That's what is sad, and even more sad because the black community sweeps it under the rug. It's the Mastodon in the room that everyone ignores, and it is doing this country irreparable harm. That's why I wrote about it, even knowing it would anger good people, like you.

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Terry Garlock

I'm not surprised that you don't participate in the hate blogs. But, to insinuate that the black community is sweeping black on black crime under the rug is ridiculous! We are the victims! You seem to be saying that all black men should not wear hoodies in fear of being judicially killed. NOT. That makes as much sense to me as saying white men should not drive pick ups - for it would be right for a black person to kill them because they feared for their life. ( based on past history and current crimes). Humans should not feel free to kill one another. So far, millions of Americans have voiced their opinion regarding this tragedy without the violence. I know you're not one to instigate violence in any situation. There are other contributors whose motives are questionable.

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DM, nobody is saying anyone is free to kill another . . .

. . . and of course it makes no sense to assume a black man in a hoodie is up to no good. But if I had a black son my talk with him would likely include this: "No matter how good you are, no matter how pure your heart is, people who don't know you will make assumptions based on how you look similar to so freaking many black men who commit violent crimes. And when you wear a hoodie to keep warm, that just makes it worse because some crooks use hoodies to hide their faces. It isn't just or sensible or fair at all, but it is real. And if you want to be angry with someone about this unfairness, instead of being mad at the people who are unfairly afraid of you, be mad at the dumbass black men who commit all the crimes and thereby create the fear."

On the reverse side, DM, there are sections of many major American cities where a white man would be wise not to venture on foot for fear of his life, and that isn't fair or sensible either.

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Terry Garlock

We agree that racism is alive and well in America. It is not all the white mans fault or the black mans fault, . . But you seem to want black people to tell their sons you have no right to wear a hoodie because in this country another person will have the right to shoot you. I'm sure many black parents have had such a talk with their sons. . But it doesn't make it right. Criminals are the problem, and they fester more in large urban areas where many of our undereducated and poor reside. At one point in our history it was the Irish, or the Italians, or the Hispanics, or the Asians. Emphasizing the race of the criminal sells papers and increases ratings. There will be peace if there is justice. Those who want revenge are going down the wrong path. There are too many still alive from the 50's and 60's who just may forget the teachings of MLK and become like some agitators in this forum. This country is using it's justice system to determine the truth. Let's give that system another opportunity to work. We've already had two 'defects' go on a killing spree killing African Americans. I know you don't condone this action. Let's let the court system work. . And not predict violence as if that is acceptable. (That last sentence was not for Terry Garlock, but for some others)

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Once again you attack a black

Once again you attack a black leader and ignore the rabble rousing of Hannity and Boortz and just about every other right wing talk show host. It is your selective use of rabble rousers that is the problem. Include yourself in that rabble rousing group.

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Jesse Jackson is a leader?

Perhaps it time to get another leader. While he is down in Florida advocating "no justice no peace" Chicago has had 22 murders in the last two weeks and for the year that number is 117. Where is this leader taking his followers?

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White leaders

Have not always led all of Americas white citizens. All black leaders do not lead all black Americans. I respect Jessie for what he accomplished under the leadership of MLK. I have never voted for him for a public office. Have all the 'white' leaders you have voted for in FC lived up to your expectations.? Your arguments are weak. Leaders come in all colors as do agitators.

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So Davids mom....

perhaps you can clarify; is Jesse an agitator or a leader?

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Cyclist

Doesn't that depend on who is following and when? There are some who called MLK and Jesse agitators during the Civil Rights movement. Today it appears uncomfortable for some 'whites' to call MLK an agitator. I considered Jesse a leader during the Civil Rights movement under the tutelage of MLK - and an opportunist ever since. He has never been my leader - nor the leader of 'black America' - but has been so designated by certain portions of the media. So Cyclist - who is the leader of the 'white' people? Who is leading the way to clear up the crime committed by 'whites'? Who in the white community is stopping the corruption found in predominantly white businesses? The contributor who spoke about 'grouping' Americans is right on. This grouping concept is an excellent example of holding on to the racism in this country. As I said years ago - Americans are racist, regardless of their color. Mytimite shared that truism when she heard her friends and neighbors make racist comments about 'whites'. We have come a long way since the 50's and 60's - but I'm getting tired of 'whites' always excusing their racism by pointing to racism among blacks. AMERICANS ARE RACISTS - but are improving in race-relations. There is still a lot of work to be done. Neither race deserves a pass in taking steps to further improve race-relations in America. Certainly individuals have to take responsibility for their own actions in creating an environment for improvement. That includes you and me.

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Davids mom

Ha, I'm not a racist because......well because "the beaver" said so.

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Cyclist

Good for you! Your narrow-mindedness on 'race' just makes some of us wonder.

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CY are you an American?

Just wondering because it has been pronounced you are therefore Racist.

So there......

See I told you so.... If you are not with them you are against them.. A different opinion shall not be tolerated so you are a racist...

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