Now you will hear from me: Some questions

Scott Bradshaw's picture

Several readers asked why I stopped writing opinion columns on local issues. The reason is that it was not in my financial interest to irritate the Peachtree City mayor and council during the months leading up to the scheduled vote on my application for the city to annex a tract of land adjacent to the Peachtree City limits. The strategy didn’t work and my nice guy routine was a complete flop!

The mayor and council rejected the Bradshaw Properties Management, LLC request by a 4-0 vote while enthusiastically approving spot annexation of neighboring properties in the same corridor. It is an interesting story but I will not comment on the incentives of elected city officials to hand pick properties for their annexation excursions.

Since annexation of my future mixed use land development project is off the table, I have some catching up to do on Peachtree City politics. Consequently, I submitted a list of questions to the Rotary Club of Peachtree City for use by the moderator in questioning mayoral and city council candidates at the “Meet the Candidates” Political Forum last night. My questions to all candidates are as follows:

•The Peachtree City Leisure Services Department (Recreation) has been dismantled by the current mayor and council, key staff positions have been terminated, two buildings have been turned over to Fayette Senior Services, staff has been relocated to satellite facilities and more reductions in services appear to be on the horizon. What is your vision for future recreation programs in Peachtree City and where would you place recreation on the list of priorities?

•Although the village concept was a central part of the original land use planning for Peachtree City, some citizens feel the existing villages are no longer functional or easily identifiable. What steps would you take to place emphasis on the village concept or do you think the concept is dead and should be abandoned?

•The budget reserve fund has decreased significantly during the past three years. What do you think is an appropriate amount for the city to maintain in reserve for emergencies?

•There has been considerable publicity about the number of vehicles in the police department and the widespread practice of permitting officers to drive police cars home....even if they live outside of Fayette County. Will you support keeping this policy as it exists or changing it?

• What is your position on the November referendum to approve an extra penny sales tax to support storm water improvements in Fayette County (including Peachtree City)? If it is approved, will you support eliminating the Peachtree City stormwater fee to avoid double taxation of city residents?

•What is your position on using the annexation of land as a vehicle to solidify the tax base, increase revenue for the sewer system, and insure that nearby developments are built to Peachtree City standards?

•What is your position on the periodic requests of homeowner groups living on privately owned streets to have the city assume financial responsibility for improving and upgrading streets that were constructed without curb and gutter, lack adequate storm drain systems, and are not built according to Peachtree City specifications?

•What changes would you propose with respect to golf cart regulations and how would you propose enforcing the proper and safe use of the cart paths?

•What do you see as the role of the City in economic development and how should the efforts of city staff interface with the work of the members and staff of the Fayette County Development Authority?

• Have you read the city charter? If so, would you support the appointment of a blue ribbon citizens committee to make recommendations to update the charter?

• The city has outsourced grass cutting and maintenance of right-of ways, senior services, building department construction plan reviews, most building inspections, and leased the tennis center to a private operator. How is privatization working and how often should these contracts for services be reviewed and opened up for new bids? What other services should be outsourced and what other facilities should be leased to private operators?

• Under what circumstances would you vote to increase the property tax millage rate?

• Do you support the establishment of a permanent Peachtree City arts Council to promote and support the cultural and performing arts in Peachtree City? How would you propose it be funded?

• Describe your understanding of the proper roles of the mayor, city council members and the city manager in the day to day operation of the city.

These questions are offered as a basis for meaningful dialog between the citizens of Peachtree City and the twelve candidates who aspire to serve as mayor or council members. I challenge the candidates to publicly answer these questions in writing and state their positions on other relevant issues between now and the election on November 5. That should help get the ball rolling on meaningful dialog.

Enough said!

[Scott Bradshaw, a resident of Peachtree City, is a real estate broker and residential real estate developer. He may be contacted at rand5474@bellsouth.net.]

madmike
madmike's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/04/2006
Haddix: Georgia Annexation Arbitrator

.
Mr. Mayor. Can you tell the us, the citizens what a "Georgia Annexation Arbitrator" is? No accusations here, but you have said this is a position you hold several times in editorials and in this blog below, and I just have never heard of one. When I Google the term in quotes "Georgia Annexation Arbitrator" only three references come up, all links to your own description of yourself. Are you the only one?

Are you employed by the State of Georgia and/or is this a position licensed by the state? Do you have to have a degree in a special field or take a test to become one? Again, no attack just personally don't know and am curious. Thank you...

Mike

madmike
madmike's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/04/2006
Dup

Dup

PhilPTC
PhilPTC's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/12/2009
thx

Just wanted to say thx all for posting. Stumbled across this convo and appreciated reading through it.

pumpkin
pumpkin's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/19/2009
mike you stay on the same point

congratulations it shows up, it seems to be the only contribution you can share.

thank you scott bradshaw you have opened up some conversation that shows the top two and both can be called out on points in writing.

...................citizens of PTC 'follow the money'..............who is in bed with who

americanpatriots
americanpatriots's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/05/2010
Madmike

only 21 more days before Haddix gets his new title - Ex Mayor of PTC!

moelarrycurly
moelarrycurly's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/17/2010
.

.

lawrence
lawrence's picture
Offline
Joined: 01/17/2007
Time To Vote In a New PTC Mayor

Thank you Mayor Haddix for continuing to blog.

Last weekend was big for www.PTCPride.org The more you post, the more donations and requests for ground signs come in.

There are just a few ground signs remaining so if any citizen wants one, contact www.PTCPride.org soon. Ground sgns will be hand delivered.

Keep up the good work Don, we are growing every day. Keep blogging because the voters are seeing you for who you are.

moelarrycurly
moelarrycurly's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/17/2010
.

.

GeorgeDienhart
GeorgeDienhart's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2011
Mr. R

I think that someone asked for simplified metrics. One of the things I'd like to see us go to more in depth metrics- provided on a dashboard webpage.

I truly hope that this helped answer your questions, and I hope you realize that I am not pandering- I am trying to fix the situation we are in. I am always available for in depth answers and solutions. Thank you for caring enough about Peachtree City to ask.

Don Haddix
Don Haddix's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2007
Haddix: Scott's Questions

•The Peachtree City Leisure Services Department (Recreation) has been dismantled by the current mayor and council, key staff positions have been terminated, two buildings have been turned over to Fayette Senior Services, staff has been relocated to satellite facilities and more reductions in services appear to be on the horizon. What is your vision for future recreation programs in Peachtree City and where would you place recreation on the list of priorities?

The department was not dismantled, it was streamlined and up dated to fit our needs today. We are doing more in a more fiscally responsible manner.

In 2007 it was obvious the Admin Building was being wasted. But, the City Manger, Rec Director and Council Majority wanted to preserve the status quo.

The offices being moved to Kedron does not make them satellite. In fact, they are not attached direct to some of our facilities, where they were not before.

The records keeping was a disaster. Almost nothing could be found.

The partnership with the FSS was actually proposed by seniors, again, the same people opposed it.

Since the changes, almost all the users have praised the changes. Jon, Cajun and crew have turned around a department which citizens were constantly complaining about.

Per the One Peachtree City and Needs Assessment Surveys, we are, though, spending significant amounts of money in the wrong areas. Where the citizens want more services, they are not getting them. Where they want less or now services, they are getting them.

There is more to do, but we will get there.

•Although the village concept was a central part of the original land use planning for Peachtree City, some citizens feel the existing villages are no longer functional or easily identifiable. What steps would you take to place emphasis on the village concept or do you think the concept is dead and should be abandoned?

The Village Concept is a plan that is growing world wide. Peachtree City is a model city.

I agree we need to get back to some of the founding principals, such attached park areas.

•The budget reserve fund has decreased significantly during the past three years. What do you think is an appropriate amount for the city to maintain in reserve for emergencies?

We need a Comprehensive Strategic Plan. The PIP (reserves for special uses and upcoming projects) funds were raided to increase the Reserve as were tax increase. Now the Council Majority wants to brag about how big the Reserve has become under them.

It is really smoke and mirrors. What is supposed to be an emergency fund has become a standard part of the annual budgeting process. That is wrong.

There can be no solution with a Plan to guide use.

•There has been considerable publicity about the number of vehicles in the police department and the widespread practice of permitting officers to drive police cars home....even if they live outside of Fayette County. Will you support keeping this policy as it exists or changing it?

There has been publicity, but the public supports the policy.

We held extensive Workshops with associated research on this issue.

Better services are provided when key personnel can take home their vehicles. It is actually cheaper than not allowing.

As with the City Manager car, giving him a city car costs us less than paying him a higher salary.

Also, assigning one person to be responsible for maintenance keeps the vehicles cleaner and in better running condition.

Nationally, this is standard practice for good reason.

Officers do not take their vehicles home for free. There are monthly charges by distance driven. They are not allowed to use them for personal use, except in very narrowly allowed instance restricted to travel to and from work.

• What is your position on the November referendum to approve an extra penny sales tax to support storm water improvements in Fayette County (including Peachtree City)? If it is approved, will you support eliminating the Peachtree City stormwater fee to avoid double taxation of city residents?

I do not support the SPLOST. The issue of removing the Stormwater Fee is already off the table as the use has been set for streets and paths in PTC.

If the County uses any portion of their SPLOST for road repair, it is double taxation. If they use any portion of their General Fund for Stormwater, it is double taxation.

Contrary to what you have heard from some of the other candidates and Councilman Imker, this is not a solution.

We already have $20 million in needed now repairs. At $200.00 a year, or $80.00 a year when averaged over the 5 years in which we will use it, after 5 years we will have an addtional $3 million in repairs, give a total of $10 million in unfunded projects.

On the alternative, all based on $1.5 million a year, it will take 16 years to do just the projects needed right now.

We first need the Comprehensive Strategic Plan in place. That will tell us exactly how much we are actually looking at in income once our service priorities are established. Then we can comprehensively plan for how to fund all our needs.

This current piecemeal approach is not working.

•What is your position on using the annexation of land as a vehicle to solidify the tax base, increase revenue for the sewer system, and insure that nearby developments are built to Peachtree City standards?

Never for sewer revenue.

Yes for border control when the need is justifiable.

Yes, if the purpose of the annexation meets a PTC need.

As a Georgia Annexation Arbitrator I can tell you we need a Future Land Use Plan for legal reasons. I proposed it and it is moving forward now.

•What is your position on the periodic requests of homeowner groups living on privately owned streets to have the city assume financial responsibility for improving and upgrading streets that were constructed without curb and gutter, lack adequate storm drain systems, and are not built according to Peachtree City specifications?

Cannot be done. Having reviewed the streets the homeowners are not willing to bring the streets up to the legal standards required to be PTC owned.

•What changes would you propose with respect to golf cart regulations and how would you propose enforcing the proper and safe use of the cart paths?

We are restricted by law on what ordinances we can put on carts.

On enforcement, I would like more police on the paths. Problem is we do not have the numbers.

•What do you see as the role of the City in economic development and how should the efforts of city staff interface with the work of the members and staff of the Fayette County Development Authority?

City Staff cannot perform any Authority work. That is a major reason legal reason Authorities exist.

If within the City, they can advise on any proposals brought to them.

As the first contact point for most proposals, I can talk, encourage, etc, but when it comes to actually doing anything, it as to go to an Authority.

These are reasons we need DAPC back. Staff cannot do redevelopment or pursue small to medium businesses. The FCDA only handles Tier 1 business and industry.

Per Matt Forshee, the FCDA is tied up wsith Pinewood. At a meeting with regional State Legislators and Mayors, he told us their time was further restricted by the State assigning the mthe roll of the Regional Camera Ready agent.

As I have said before, a Director, maybe Emily Poole, and 7 profession volunteers can do far more then one person in Fayetteville working for the FCDA.

If you think the FCDA does not have politics in it, think again.

• Have you read the city charter? If so, would you support the appointment of a blue ribbon citizens committee to make recommendations to update the charter?

Yes.

• The city has outsourced grass cutting and maintenance of right-of ways, senior services, building department construction plan reviews, most building inspections, and leased the tennis center to a private operator. How is privatization working and how often should these contracts for services be reviewed and opened up for new bids? What other services should be outsourced and what other facilities should be leased to private operators?

They have been very successful. Of course, some areas need tweaked for better services.

Our landscaping costs have been reduced, currently, about $600K from with it used to be. There is room for improvement but those that have to notion there were no problems when we had City employees need to think again.

We actually have fewer complaints now.

Landscaping is a never ending area of concern.

Plan review is still in house as is permits. Inspections are outsourced, giving us flexibility and cost us less money. We are getting almost no complaints, except from some developers who want the taxpayers to pay more of the cost.

The Tennis Center public/private I pushed for is saving us over $200K a year.

There are a number of cities outsourcing Rec extremely successfully. I want to take a look and see if there are any opportunities that would benefit us.

I do not want to consider outsourcing PD, FD, Code or City Administration. Those are areas that need to be local with people dedicated to PTC.

As for contracts going out fo RFP, that is SOP.

• Under what circumstances would you vote to increase the property tax millage rate?

None until we have a Comprehensive Strategic Plan in place. Then only if there was absolutely not other alternative.

• Do you support the establishment of a permanent Peachtree City arts Council to promote and support the cultural and performing arts in Peachtree City? How would you propose it be funded?

This is an old issue. I have no problem with it as along as it privately funded.

• Describe your understanding of the proper roles of the mayor, city council members and the city manager in the day to day operation of the city.

I have it fully laid out HERE

Spyglass
Spyglass's picture
Offline
Joined: 01/28/2008
Seriously...

Are you delusional?

What ever happened to riding off onto the sunset?

madmike
madmike's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/04/2006
Haddix: We've Haddit!

In all due respect Mayor, all of this detailed explanation of your so called "Strategic Plan" is a waste of your time and space on these blogs. The leverage you used in your position to have the taxpayers pay $12,000 for your legal defense for a personal lawsuit against you for running your mouth is all we need to know about your level of concern about the tax burden of the citizens. Instead of using this space to tell us all your grand plans why don't you explain to us, your constituents, how you can take money out of our pockets to fund your personal blunders?
Set aside for a moment all of the other reasons you are bad for this city. This one issue and how you handled it tells us where your loyalties lie and what your moral and ethical gas tank looks like... the needle is on empty.
Want to move past this issue? Pay the $12,000 back to us and we can take another look.

HADDIT WITH HADDIX
www.ptcpride.org

Allstar American
Allstar American's picture
Offline
Joined: 03/23/2013
Haddix: Pathetic little man

So Dienhart answers Mr. Bradshaw's questions, and in a perfect example of a "me to" style of "leadership", you spit out you answers in a panic. When will you realize you have worn out your welcome? When will you realize we are tired of the lies? Please just go away.

GeorgeDienhart
GeorgeDienhart's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2011
My answer to Scott's questions

•The Peachtree City Leisure Services Department (Recreation) has been dismantled by the current mayor and council, key staff positions have been terminated, two buildings have been turned over to Fayette Senior Services, staff has been relocated to satellite facilities and more reductions in services appear to be on the horizon. What is your vision for future recreation programs in Peachtree City and where would you place recreation on the list of priorities?

Recreation programs were restructured last year. This was done to share more of the cost with users. I believe that recreation is one of the things that brings younger families to our city. We need to have a robust recreation programs for our younger residents. We have done a good job with seniors, but that is only part of the equation. We need recreation programs aimed squarely at younger families. I would not favor any reductions in service for recreation.

•Although the village concept was a central part of the original land use planning for Peachtree City, some citizens feel the existing villages are no longer functional or easily identifiable. What steps would you take to place emphasis on the village concept or do you think the concept is dead and should be abandoned?

I think that the village concept needs to be revived. Each village needs to have its own unique identity in order for it to work. One idea would be to have a festival for each village. The city would sponsor these in conjunction with each of the retail center owners. for example, many of the tenants of Glenloch center are restaurants. I think a gourmet food festival could be quite successful there. Each village would have its own festival to encourage neighbors to meet, talk and shop in their village.

•The budget reserve fund has decreased significantly during the past three years. What do you think is an appropriate amount for the city to maintain in reserve for emergencies?

A fund balance of seventeen percent or greater in the General Fund is crucial to issue general obligation bonds. This is one factor used by external agencies to determine the City’s bond rating that impacts the rate of interest on future bond issues. Keeping our fund balance this high is one of the reasons we were able to refinance our debt with “cheaper money”. The last year I worked on the budget (FY13), our fund balance exceeded recommended levels. This is not an area we currently have any trouble with, however I would not support dropping below the current levels.

•There has been considerable publicity about the number of vehicles in the police department and the widespread practice of permitting officers to drive police cars home....even if they live outside of Fayette County. Will you support keeping this policy as it exists or changing it?

I support changing this policy. Ending the take home policy would allow us to significantly decrease the size (and cost) of our vehicle fleet without any impact to the Police Departments readiness level. It was a nice perk, but it is one we can no longer afford.

• What is your position on the November referendum to approve an extra penny sales tax to support storm water improvements in Fayette County (including Peachtree City)? If it is approved, will you support eliminating the Peachtree City stormwater fee to avoid double taxation of city residents?

We are not using the Core Infrastructure SPLOST for stormwater, so it is not double taxation. I do support the SPLOST as a bridge to sensible budgeting. Right now we have not funded our roads or golf cart path repairs. We have shared the numbers showing that this tax is smallest tax increase we can use to fund these repairs. On a per household basis it is hundreds of dollars less than any other option we have for funding road repairs. This temporary tax will allot us the time we need to come up with the combined cuts and efficiencies necessary to get to a point where we are budgeting the same way you do back home- based on our income. Now, city managers put together their wish lists, and council will then adjust the millage to meet our obligations. This is backwards. We need to live within our means. This SPLOST is a bridge responsible budgeting.

•What is your position on using the annexation of land as a vehicle to solidify the tax base, increase revenue for the sewer system, and insure that nearby are built to Peachtree City standards?

Annexing for revenue is a recipe for sprawl. I could never support that. I do favor controlling our border to ensure that pawn shops, adult business and used car lots do not pop up right out side our borders. We have to maintain the lifestyle desired by our residents. We already have a Pawn Shop barely outside the city limits. We can ill afford more lapses to occur allowing more undesired business types to spring up.

•What is your position on the periodic requests of homeowner groups living on privately owned streets to have the city assume financial responsibility for improving and upgrading streets that were constructed without curb and gutter, lack adequate storm drain systems, and are not built according to Peachtree City specifications?

We are not able to fund the street repairs we are obligated to support. We can't even begin to consider this until we get on a sensible budget path.

•What changes would you propose with respect to golf cart regulations and how would you propose enforcing the proper and safe use of the cart paths?

Our biggest problem on the paths is enforcement. We need to have police officers deployed on the golf cart paths. The current laws do a good job protecting us, we just need to enforce them.

•What do you see as the role of the City in economic development and how should the efforts of city staff interface with the work of the members and staff of the Fayette County Development Authority?

Emily Poole has done a wonderful job. One thing we need to do is get out of her way. The proposed Publix on 54 and Line Creek was negotiated by members of council behind her back. After these council members had negotiated this massive new retail center, no one told her. This is unacceptable. We wasted her time, and our money negotiating for a retail center that no one wants. We didn't utilize her expertise, and that was wrong. I have also talked extensively with the FCDA about our industrial park. The remaining land back there is almost impossible to sell because it is on septic. I have proposed a Tax Allocation District that will fund sewer for the industrial area, as well as a fiber backbone.

• Have you read the city charter? If so, would you support the appointment of a blue ribbon citizens committee to make recommendations to update the charter?

Absolutely. It is actually one of my campaign promises.

• The city has outsourced grass cutting and maintenance of right-of ways, senior services, building department construction plan reviews, most building inspections, and leased the tennis center to a private operator. How is privatization working and how often should these contracts for services be reviewed and opened up for new bids? What other services should be outsourced and what other facilities should be leased to private operators?

The grass cutting has been an unmitigated disaster. My brother visited this past summer and I was embarrassed. When I was on council I was promised reasonable service level agreements with the company cutting the grass. It is obvious now that this didn't happen. When elected, we will have them. I will put this embarrassment behind us. when I left council, Senior Services had more space than they have programs. This was an expensive mistake, and I advocated a slower roll out. I believe my concerns have been justified, and we may want to look at reprogramming the second building with youth oriented programming. Recreation needs to cater to all residents, not just the seniors.

• Under what circumstances would you vote to increase the property tax millage rate?

We have had enough tax increases. We can fully fund our government on our current tax collections. We need to rethink how we are spending your money. Not how much of it we are spending.

• Do you support the establishment of a permanent Peachtree City arts Council to promote and support the cultural and performing arts in Peachtree City? How would you propose it be funded?

Yes I do- it should be funded with donations from local residents and business. Once an endowment is in place I would like to see this organization focus on a symphony that could play a series at the Fred.

• Describe your understanding of the proper roles of the mayor, city council members and the city manager in the day to day operation of the city.

The old adage is the Mayor is Chairman of the Board and Council is the board. The City Manager is in charge of day to day operation. The city manager does depend on council for guidance. The Mayor and Council provides vision, goals and a path forward. We have spent the last 8 years devoid of this leadership, and we have suffered for it. We have had 2 administrations continually kick the can down the road on any thing even approaching a difficult decision. The truth is, we are now out of cans. Someone has to step forward and lead. I believe I am that person.

Husband and Fat...
Husband and Father of 2's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/23/2012
Mr. Dienhart - Comments of the night.

1. Public Service Director

Show us matrix on how hiring a PSD will benefit our city.

We will need a leader in each dept. How will another layer of bureaucracy improve each dept. Will we get better service? Will crime reduce? Will fires and accidents reduce?

2. Police take home vehicles.
I have a cop in my neighborhood who parks his marked car in his driveway when not on duty. This reduces crime in my neighborhood and does in others as well. The elimination of this so called benefit, hurts all.

3. Past issues (harassment) and (admin removal) were handled poorly by the city manager and council . The city manager has to do a better job and so does city council. Both were handled poorly.

4. Hiring outside - Is closed minded and not the answer. We went outside and hired the police chief and everyone turned on him because he changed the way we used to manage. What is exactly wrong with change and hiring someone who has his back. Every strong leader does this.

Unless you can prove services will get better, the small cost savings with a PSD will notable PTC better.

Ps, you walked right by me Sat and Sunday at the farmers market and today's air show. Next time, you need to say hello.

NUK_1
NUK_1's picture
Offline
Joined: 12/17/2007
husband: take home vehicles

What Scott Bradshaw was specifically asking was take home vehicles that leave PTC and go to Coweta. I doubt many have much of a problem with the PD having take home vehicles that are parked in PTC driveways while off-duty. I believe LEO that lives outside of PTC and have a take home vehicle have a monthly fee taken out of their check, but I am not 100% sure on this.

Some people turned on the new police chief for a lot of reasons besides it being a change in management philosophy. I'd agree that going outside isn't a blanket answer, but this present Chief has managed to run-off/eliminate anyone that could have been a threat to one day being promoted into *his* position or a challenger. He was never qualified for the position to begin with and hasn't grown into the job either for that matter. He's managed to poison the well to protect himself, but what does that do for the citizens?

Don Haddix
Don Haddix's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2007
Haddix: Vehicles

There is a distance limit and a distance dependent charge for taking vehicles home. Only those with specified duties are allowed take home vehicles, regardless of distance.

Yes, that allows for vehicles to go into Coweta.

The policy is actually cheaper than not allowing it.

On issues within the PD, they far predate the present Chief. It was even a worse mess when I came on in 2008.

Changes then uncovered problems. Changes under the new City Manager uncovered even more.

We are digging to uncover and correct all the issues. I have had a lot of feedback from personnel of all levels. It is a complex issue that must be resolved.

The election has actually slowed things done. Until there is a Council in place to make some long term decisions, there is no point in starting to go one direction and then have to change to another.

As far as a matrix for a PSD, none has been offered by any supporting it. It is all personal opinion to date.

I have done a lot of digging, and as part of a CSP have stated this proposal needs researched with everything put on the table for us to examine.

My research, so far, says it is good for very small cities and maybe good for some very large. But for cities like ours, cities have tried it and abandoned it. A few have it and like it, but not a lot.

There are no clear answers at this time. I have no intent to disregard any ideas but I sure am not going to support anything based on dislike for the PD or to just cut a buck to cut a buck.

As far as any Council being able to end lawsuits, etc, forget it. That is a fairy tale. People are people.

Really, Dienhart says he can, in example, but just got nailed with a personal lawsuit that had nothing to do with the City. He is still named on a lawsuit along with the rest of Council.

Anyone can sue for any reason at any time. Everyone on Council gets sued all the time. Simple reality of political life and why we are indemnified.

Peachtree City Mayor
donhaddix.com
The Comprehensive Strategic Plan Proposal
Is in the Updates Forum

Husband and Fat...
Husband and Father of 2's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/23/2012
NUK

I am all for take home vehicles. Even if it costs us some money. In an emergency, these people can report directly to the problem without first driving to the station to pick up the vehicle. If they live an hr or so away, perhaps a small fee is ok.

Remember, we also have members of other forces who park their vehicles here too. This only helps us. This also helps safety on the roads. How many times have you slowed down as you see a police vehicle in your rear view window, only to find out its from out of the jurisdiction heading to or from work.

I learned a long time ago, personnel decisions need to be made in the best interest of the organization, period. The bottom line should be: Did the cost savings in the police management structure result is PTC becoming less safe? I don't think so.

I spoke to two officers yesterday at the air show. Both liked the people who were let go, and both told me that they like the way things are going. But I am sure we can find two officers who don't like things. The bottom line though is results.

Are we now better, worse, or status quo?

GeorgeDienhart
GeorgeDienhart's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2011
H&F Answers

1. Public Service Director
Show us matrix on how hiring a PSD will benefit our city.
We will need a leader in each dept. How will another layer of bureaucracy improve each dept. Will we get better service? Will crime reduce? Will fires and accidents reduce?

First off, its not an additional layer of management. It is actually combining the two departments into one, with one manager. That would make it less managers. By restructuring the departments and setting higher expectations we will reduce lawsuits, which will save you money. The expectations of the new Public Safety Director will be to adopt community policing. We want as many boots on the ground as possible, but we also want them deployed in our neighborhoods and on the multipurpose paths. I believe this will lower crime. Now, this is innovative, but it has been successful elsewhere. Police Chief Magazine stated there were 130 agencies (in 25 states) in the United States with at least nominal consolidation of public safety services. I am proposing a Functional consolidation- this is where police and fire services are not integrated but consolidation occurs within middle or upper management. A paper by the University of Michigans Jeremy Wilson and Cliff Grammich (Police Consolidation, Regionalization, and Shared Service) stated that potential increases in efficiency, promotion of community policing, and enhancement of community safety. Consolidation can also enhance homeland security preparedness by improving communication among all public safety personnel, unifying command structures, planning for all inclusive emergency responses, and comprehensive training.

2. Police take home vehicles.
I have a cop in my neighborhood who parks his marked car in his driveway when not on duty. This reduces crime in my neighborhood and does in others as well. The elimination of this so called benefit hurts all.

Its up to what we can afford. Having potholes half the size of Delaware doesn’t benefit anyone, either. This was a good program, but the costs are high. Currently, We replace more cars every year, and have higher gas and maintenance costs of a larger fleet. We can mitigate not having the cars parked in the neighborhoods by taking the officers off 54 and 74 and having them patrol our neighborhoods. We can also get them out of their cars and interacting with the community. When I asked Chief Clark about this, he complained that such actions were out of some officers comfort level. I think we can both agree that wasn’t the right answer.

3. Past issues (harassment) and (admin removal) were handled poorly by the city manager and council . The city manager has to do a better job and so does city council. Both were handled poorly.

I agree. This is a long string of things that were handled poorly, going back to Randy Gaddo’s dismissal. We need a new culture at city hall. We need to lead from the top. When the 2nd harassment suit broke, I should not have had to be the driver to have a management presence in the Fire Department stations. Both Mayor and City Manager should have been out there doing a health and welfare check. The employees needed to know management cared and wanted to solve the problem. This is leadership. Sometimes it is unpleasant. Sometimes it means putting yourself out there for your employees. I have demonstrated my willingness to do this. We need to end the culture of litigation at city hall, and the only way to do that is strong leadership. We haven’t had it in 8 years, but elect me and we will.

4. Hiring outside - Is closed minded and not the answer. We went outside and hired the police chief and everyone turned on him because he changed the way we used to manage. What is exactly wrong with change and hiring someone who has his back. Every strong leader does this. Unless you can prove services will get better, the small cost savings with a PSD will notable PTC better.

I would normally agree, and I would normally encourage internal promotions, but we have culture issues. We also don’t have an experienced Public Safety Director. We won’t have the benefit of learning on the job. There are numerous reasons that everyone turned on Chief Clark. One was the learning how to manage a much larger department as he went along. We should have been recruiting in similar towns, not a much smaller beach community in Florida. We needed someone that understood the uniqueness of our type of community. The PSD will.

Ps, you walked right by me Sat and Sunday at the farmers market and today's air show. Next time, you need to say hello.
Sorry- I’ll try to get you at next week’s farmers market.

Robert W. Morgan
Robert W. Morgan's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/26/2005
Public Safety Director doesn't fix the basic problem

and that is micromanaging by mayor and council. A good strong city manager would handle most of the problems the city has tried to fix by either outsourcing or elimination of jobs. Mistakes have been made with landscaping and recreation - especially with the Seniors. The police and fire issues were pretty simple and yes a public safety director could be a solution only to the extent that we wouldn't have had a fire chief who is a horndog or a police chief who is empire-building.

That being said, identifying a public safety director who came up through the cop ranks that will have the respect of the firefighters is about as likely as finding a public safety director who came up through the firefighter ranks who will have the respect of the cops - in short, impossible. Surely you know there are no entry level or middle management positions in a public safety department from which one can grow into a public service director.

Eiswerth's problems should have been identified and dealt with quickly by his immediate supervisor. Skip should not have been hired in the first place but since he was, he should have been told by his immediate supervisor that tinkering with management to completely eradicate any and all acknowledgement that Murray used to be chief while ignoring the obvious value of long-time employees and a promote from within policy would not be tolerated. Again, that is on the back of the city manager.

Having a weak city manager - and we do now, not that Pennington isn't capable - he is, but he's just going through the motions largely because of the lack of leadership from mayor and council. Maybe he can be brought back to tip top form with Haddix gone and George in charge with strong council support (from Mike, Terry and possibly Kim), but if not - go hire a strong city manager - steal Rapson from the county if you must, but don't be creating another morale problem by bringing in someone to act as a public safety director - that's just silly. It is like hiring a city manager type to oversee just 2 department neither of which have strong leadership above the rank of Captain.

Husband and Fat...
Husband and Father of 2's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/23/2012
RWM - Lets be truthful here

Whether or not current council interfered with Dr. Pennington is irrelevant. (George included). Mr. Pennington needs to put all 5 in their place right from the start. When he allowed George to talk to the fireman without approval, George should have been reprimanded. Even if we have a mayor that is less than desired.

Its not too late and actually would really help the race if Dr. Pennington spoke up and let the voters know the truth about all and how he can and will be more forcefull with the new regime.

A PSD is not the answer. A city manager who takes charge is.

I know the incumbent is not going to be my choice, but the more George posts, the more faults I detect. Kind of amusing he continues to pander to the Commission Chair by not recognizing the failures during his PTC regime.

Don Haddix
Don Haddix's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2007
Haddix: Not True

The City Manager has no power to put us, "in our place."

I have told all of the Councilmembers multiple times, public and private. The City Manager has refused to follow any of their instructions and requests outside their authority multiple times.

So, they go ahead and do it anyway, without either of us knowing until it is reported to us.

Right now, the only way to "reprimand" is to file an ethics complaint, which costs money and would end with a slap on the wrist. Council sure is going to Censure anyone doing the same as them.

The Mayor needs an ability to do something that sticks, as long as the City Attorney concurs it is legal and proper.

You and some others want to give the City Manager far more power than he possesses. You do not want an unelected with that scale of power. Where it has happened it has proven disastrous.

Fleisch, Learnard and Imker are just as guilty.

Dienhart and Imker keep exceeding their office and going the the Commission Chairman, who does not send them home.

Fleisch and Learnard constantly went to Jack Smith and Ken Steele when they were office. It got really old fixing the problems they stirred up.

Logsdon pulled a partnership with the City Manager and was buddies with Jack Smith, just as Dienhart is with Brown.

If you really think it through I am the only one who has not violated any law, including the City Charter. But, have been the source of attack after I attack I defeated.

That leaves Ryan Jolly, who knows nothing about government.

You have some serious thinking to do.

No one can force Councilmembers to listen if they do not wish to as things are set up now. The Charter needs updated.

Peachtree City Mayor
donhaddix.com
The Comprehensive Strategic Plan Proposal
Is in the Updates Forum

Robert W. Morgan
Robert W. Morgan's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/26/2005
Haddix quote: "You have some serious thinking to do"

Well yes, we all have some serious thinking to do and only 3 more Tuesdays in which to do it. Deinhart for Mayor with King and Ernst providing the fresh air on council is the result of my serious thinking. Be sure to stop by Scott Bradshaw's tonight to meet them.

Once again m. mayor, you are correct on some of the issues, but your failure has been your inability to lead the other council people to the correct conclusion - such as a majority vote for something that might be good for the city. If you were not such a stupid AH, you might have gotten a few majority votes during your tenure. Why have you not? Well, it is because nobody likes you or respects you. Big obstacle to being a leader.

Your finger-pointing is funny as can be, silly even, but you are sort of the mayor and should build consensus and create compromise - not be an Obama-like flame thrower. Of course you are done - toast from your own flame-thrower, so just go away, shut up and stop blogging - not in any particular order.

And yes, the City Charter does need updating. That update needs to reaffirm the ceremonial role of the mayor, the strength of the city manager (even though we need a new one now) and something new that I have thought about recently - no one, and I mean no one should be allowed to run for the office of mayor if his (or even her) IQ is under room temperature in North Dakota - in January.

madmike
madmike's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/04/2006
Haddix Head Game: Who Wants to Play?

.
It's real easy and fun to play for the whole family. Just start with any far-fetched idea you wish were true that makes you look good. Then create fairy tales and present them as facts to support your idea. Repeat often and soon it will be obvious that you are always right and everyone else is always wrong. Do this enough and even you will start believing you are perfect. As long as you don't have the truth to worry with, any argument can be supported and justified. Here is a great example from Mayor Haddix's post above:

"If you really think it through I am the only one who has not violated any law, including the City Charter."

Have fun!

HADDIT WITH HADDIX
www.ptcpride.org

Spyglass
Spyglass's picture
Offline
Joined: 01/28/2008
Haddix disagreeing....who acts this way ALL the time?

And the time gets shorter......

Husband and Fat...
Husband and Father of 2's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/23/2012
Public Safety Director

Are there any state laws that dictate the minimum standards for a PSD on the city level?

What qualifications do you expect for this position?

GeorgeDienhart
GeorgeDienhart's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2011
Qualifications

Council does not normally dictate this. Experience in a city that is similar in physical size and population to Peachtree City. I would love to find one that has policed an area with a multiuse path system. He will have to have demonstrated success in the position in the past. I will be extremely interested in how he has handled the aftermath of lawsuits, and firefighter training. My understanding is that most of the experienced PSDs come from a police background. I believe they must also carry POST certification.

NUK_1
NUK_1's picture
Offline
Joined: 12/17/2007
George: You nailed it all around

Was a little undecided a while ago when candidates started declaring, but I definitely like what I have been hearing from you since that time and the reasoning behind your opinions, especially about our current police chief and I'm glad that it's being noticed how overwhelmed he is with the job. Good luck being the next Mayor of PTC! :) Bring body armor.

GeorgeDienhart
GeorgeDienhart's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2011
Thanks Nuk!

Body armor is on order.

Husband and Fat...
Husband and Father of 2's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/23/2012
Mr. Dienhart - The Bottom Line

No matter how you present it, you will have a leader in the fire dept and another in the police dept. Don't know too many success stories where someone was qualified to manage both. I don't want someone with a fire safety background telling our officers how to patrol. Likewise, I don't want someone with a policing background telling our firemen how to set up to attack a fire. They are two separate entities with specific challenges, especially when it comes to reporting. Check and see how DeKalb is doing with this format. Share with us the roadmap you wish to take with this endeavor.

We have good staff in both departments. You are telling everyone that since we had problems in the past, these people who put yourselves on the line aren't the answer. I say hogwash. We will lose good people with this attitude. We want staff that are go getters, work their way up the chain of command and are recognized for their efforts.

The bottom line is we need a take charge city manager. Not one that plays both sides of the fence. Someone who goes out and listens to the front line staff, discusses personnel with the Chiefs and lead staff members and makes the hard decisions. Sounds from the tone of your response, you agree. Will you be seeking a new city manager if elected?

Don Haddix
Don Haddix's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2007
Haddix: Comments

Jim has done a great job. His biggest problem has been interference by Councilmembers.

No one on Council is a "manager." This illustrates the total lack of knowledge of the Charter that has plagued the City Manager and my office.

Councilmembers are legislators only, the Mayor is the CEO and Supervisor of the City and the City Manager is the Chief Administrative officer.

Mayor and Council are prohibited from interfering with Staff and employees.

Dienhart has claimed many things he will make happen. Not going to happen, it takes a 3 vote.

There are also ridiculous laws local government has to abide by the private sector does not.

As Mayor, I do keep an eye on what is going. When Dienhart went down to the firestation he did so without going through the City Manager, as required by the City Charter. It interfered with interviews and investigations that were going on at the time.

Under Joe O'Connor and the City Manager, the Fire Department is settled down, the problems have ended and it is moving forward.

We still have some issues to resolve in the PD, but that cannot move forward until the next Council is seated.

Dienhart is not privy to all that is happening. He is speaking without knowledge.

DeKalb is a county with population of over 707,000. Not comparable to a city of 35,000.

When you break it down, you find cities our size are few and far between with a Public Safety Director.

As I said, we need to get all the data on the table and then evaluate it.

We also need Councilmembers that stop violating the Charter.

Peachtree City Mayor
donhaddix.com
The Comprehensive Strategic Plan Proposal
Is in the Updates Forum

GeorgeDienhart
GeorgeDienhart's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2011
City Manager (H&F)

I agree with evrything you have said about a city manager. I will be expecting this after I am elected. Doctor Pennington and I have talked about the necessary change in culture, but the truth is he has the misfortune of reporting to a 5 headed dragon. I have always been completely clear with my expectations, but others are completely hands off or not as clear. This makes it hard for Dr. Pennington to do his job. I firmly believe no one could thrive with the culture that has been cultivated over the last 8 years.

The simple answer to the question is Dr. Pennington has done this for a long time and I would give him a chance to prove he can be successful. He hasn't had that. That being said, we will have clear expectations and metrics to track his success. This will be true for everyone. We will be moving everyone to a merit based system. No more' COLA type salary increases.

We will drag city hall into the 21st century. Its the only way we can be be successful.

I have nothing but respect for the rank and file Firefighters and Police Officers. Not looking at any staffing cuts there. BTW, I was the one pushing for Stan Pye to become assistant Chief. I strongly believe in such oppurtunities.

GeorgeDienhart
GeorgeDienhart's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2011
H&F

Not ignoring your questions, I'll get to them this afternoon.

mrobinson_ptc
mrobinson_ptc's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/21/2013
Another question for you, George...

How do you feel the technology outsourcing is working, or not? What would you have done differently, especially given your knowledge of technology in your professional history?

GeorgeDienhart
GeorgeDienhart's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2011
Mr.R

I wish you were privy to the conversations we had about this, behind the scenes. I also wish you hadn't left the employment of the city. I am not a huge fan of outsourcing. I believe that we need to re-evaluate the decisions we made. The "Virtual CIO" was an absolute and utter failure.

Sorry you think I am pandering. Call me if you want to discuss any of these issues in depth. I think you would find I am not pandering, but instead offering clear solutions and a necessary change in direction.

mrobinson_ptc
mrobinson_ptc's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/21/2013
Thanks...

I appreciate your response here. Good luck to you. I encourage you to spell out your positions here more in depth - I know that sometimes the "personal touch" is best, but if I'm thinking and commenting on an issue, it's possible others are thinking the same thing too.

Sometimes we can't get to the candidate forums or other events...in the year 2013, you have lots of opportunity to get your message out far more widely with social media and video, and in far more detail.

And when you're re-evaluating the IT decision, consider the opportunity costs wasted by the "Virtual CIO" project, both in actual dollars and goodwill. Management needs to be held accountable.

GeorgeDienhart
GeorgeDienhart's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2011
MrR- you are the second person to say that today

I agree- I am trying to answer any question (but not personal attack) issued here. You are correct not everyone makes it to the forums. We had about 100 at the first, 225 at the second and about 50 at the GOP Womens club. That is a small, but representative sample.

There can be changes at city hall- but you, the voter, must call for them. That is done via elections. I believe that I can reform our city government. That will require a new culture there, and that culture will include accountability. From the Mayor down.

mrobinson_ptc
mrobinson_ptc's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/21/2013
Huzzah!

Good attitude....now let's get to the questions.

Why would hiring a public safety director be better than more adequately managing the current staff?

GeorgeDienhart
GeorgeDienhart's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2011
Public Safety director

We would gain some cost efficiency by combining two departments into one. From an IT perspective, I think you can agree we could have done well with one PS Director selecting one software package instead of forcing interoperability in two systems. Second, I want an out of state hire, with input by a new council. This will ensure we get a strong leader that owes no allegiances, and can implement a change in culture. The current chiefs are part of the current culture. That culture has lead to multiple lawsuits. You asked for accountability. This is what it looks like. We need to end the culture of litigation that has been caused by a 8 year leadership drought. We need to foster a culture of respect and collaboration. I can do that.

mrobinson_ptc
mrobinson_ptc's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/21/2013
So where does the City Manager fit into this?

Doesn't leadership also come from him/her?

Consolidating departments to gain efficiency is definitely a positive, but to continue the IT argument, couldn't the same thing have been done with a City Manager advising the two groups (FD and PD) to agree on a common platform, etc.?

Would you still have a police chief and a fire chief as distinct positions in your model? If so, is an extra layer of government really the solution, or could it just be a function of hiring a strong overall city manager? Is our city really too big for a City Manager to manage these personnel? Is our current City Manager not strong enough for the task?

I'm concerned the culture issues aren't just in public safety.

GeorgeDienhart
GeorgeDienhart's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2011
One department and one department head

We would have one department and one department head. There is no extra layer of government. This will streamline public safety without having any impact on readiness. We would not be reducing headcount in rank in file police or fire.

Doctor Pennington has not given me any reason to believe that he would not carry out councils vision.

I agree. The culture will need to change the culture throughout the city government.

mrobinson_ptc
mrobinson_ptc's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/21/2013
Thanks, now onto zero-based budgeting

...lay this one out for me again. We start with nothing, spell out what "has" to be done, set priorities for spending based on the Council's strategy, then try to set the revenues to match it, or vice-versa?

Where are the metrics? Who provides them to you for you to set the priorities? If the Public Safety director says they need $5 million to keep the fire trucks and police trucks working, and the Public Works director says they need $5 million to pave the roads, what are you using to be sure they aren't feeding you crap?

Give me a sample budget process spelled out here, so we can see how this works.

I hope you like doing this, because I am enjoying (and hope others are enjoying) seeing how a true political discussion takes place...talk about issues, please!

GeorgeDienhart
GeorgeDienhart's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2011
ZBB for the masses

I didn't invent this, but here is a good summary of what I propose:

ZBB promises to move the organization away from incremental budgeting, where last year’s budget is the starting point. Instead, the starting point becomes zero. This means tat old, bad habits are broken and any mistakes from the past can be corrected.

To deliver on this promise, the organization is first divided up into “decision units”. A decision unit is the lowest level at which budget decisions are made. Decision units could be formed along functional or organizational lines. Managers in each decision unit will prepare a detailed description and evaluation of all activities the unit performs,
including alternatives to current service delivery methods and the spending plans necessary to achieve the decision unit’s goals. This information is used to create a number of “decision-packages,” which show marginal spending level differences that represent varying levels of effort and cost. There should be at least three decision-packages for each decision-unit, though there could be as many as ten or even more. The three elementary categories of decision-packages are presented below. More than one decision package could be presented for each category.

•Base package. This type of package meets only the most fundamental service needs of the decision unit’s clientele and represents the minimum level of funding needed for the unit’s services to remain viable. There could be multiple base packages, each addressing a different way to provide the base service. This represents an important departure from incremental budgeting in that an incremental budget never considers what the absolute minimum level of funding a program can survive on is. Rather, the current level of spending is usually considered a sort of de facto minimum.

•Current service package. This type describes what it takes to continue the level of service currently provided to the unit’s clientele. The difference between the base package and the current service level may be expressed by multiple decision packages, with each package representing one aspect of what it takes to get from base funding to the current service level. There could also be different decision packages describing different means for achieving the same service level.

•Enhanced package. This category addresses resource required to expand service beyond current levels. There could be any number of enhanced packages.

In addition to the detailed information on inputs (dollars, personnel, etc.) needed to provide the service, decision packages include performance measures that express the impact of the package on service levels. For instance, a series of decision-packages from a public service might use measures to describe the variation in lane miles that can be maintained and the smoothness of the car ride that will be experienced (as might be expressed through a pavement quality index).

Because of the detailed information required and because decision-packages are created for the lowest levels of budgetary decision making, ZBB requires greater involvement of mid-level and perhaps even line managers – an important difference between ZBB and many other budget processes. Because each division is creating between three and ten decision packages, along with the required supporting information for each, the documentation can be substantial.

After the decision-packages are completed, they are gathered up and ranked from top to bottom within the organizational unit in which the decision unit resides. For example, in a local government, the head of a department might gather the decision-packages from the divisions of the department and then rank them all together. Decision-packages could be gathered and ranked on an organization-wide basis, but this is uncommon due to the amount of paperwork involved and because it is usually easier for a department
director to rank decision-package options within his or her own department than for a chief executive or budget office to rank packages across departments.

After the packages are ranked, the ranking is then used by central budget authorities (e.g., budget office, chief executive, governing body) as the basis for making allocations. For instance, each department would submit its suggested ranking to the chief executive, who would use those rankings to formulate a recommended budget for review by the governing body.

The foremost theoretical advantage of ZBB is that it offers a rational and comprehensive means to cut the budget. ZBB can be used to make different cuts to different services based on the perceived value to the organization (rational) and all spending is put under scrutiny (comprehensive). This compares to a traditional line-item process where only incremental spending is considered and where there is no ready means to compare the value of one service versus another, and, thus, to determine different reductions in spending for different services on a rational basis. Hence, ZBB promises to move budgeting away from the use of across-the-board cuts – a budget reduction method that does not differentiate the value of one service versus another.

The other major advantage is that it gives top management better insights into the detailed workings of departments. In theory, ZBB clearly differentiates service level options, the impact of different service levels on what the community will receive from government (through performance measures), and a detailed plan for the inputs necessary to provide those service level options.

This will empower lower and mid level manager to be vested in the new culture we are going to build. It also takes some of the burden of the Senior managers. Its a win for all involved.

mrobinson_ptc
mrobinson_ptc's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/21/2013
Holy catfish, will that work in PTC?

George:

Impressive, but how do you combat and effect that change on a management and supervisor core already stretched thin in reactive modes? As you know, Peachtree City has a good deal of working managers who are often performing a variety of other duties than simply supervision and planning (or not planning, as has been the case).

Comment on the culture you want to build...how does employee communication and input play into it? And what are the performance measures?

Who decides who is ultimately more important and worthy of funding?

Example - Public Safety versus Planning and Zoning - both are critical to the growth and maintenance - but who gets the funding? Recreation and Library may be important to you, but if it's not important in relation to others (I assume the ultimate body is the council), then is it simply majority rules there?

Are you prepared for the constituency/agenda backlash that will ultimately bring? The "recreation candidate"? How will you balance when all division rank themselves as high rankings?

It's an interesting idea - have you seen examples of it working in municipal government you can cite?

GeorgeDienhart
GeorgeDienhart's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2011
Employee relations

The first change in culture would have to be in management. I am not going into this blind. There is support for the changes I wish to bring about. You are right though, this is not going to be easy. We have had eight years of virtually no political leadership. The changes must start in the Mayors office. Employees will be empowered to do their job, recognized and rewarded for good a good job, and compensated based on merit. This will be new. We do COLA's (or variations of) now.

Prioritization will change on a year to year basis. This is what political leadership is for... to lead.

If it can be implemented in a city as large as Charlotte, NC, it can be rolled out here.

mrobinson_ptc
mrobinson_ptc's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/21/2013
So I assume you've read...

the GFOA white paper on the subject? Again, look at the focus on performance measurements...is this something the City is doing now?

http://www.gfoa.org/downloads/GFOAZeroBasedBudgeting.pdf‎

GeorgeDienhart
GeorgeDienhart's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2011
Mr. R

Think back to when I was to first in office. I pushed for Metrics. I am willing to speculate that we I will have more luck with council as it is composed in January. So the answer is not enough, but more so than in the past.

Yes I have- I have extensive notes from it. I just shared some with you.

mrobinson_ptc
mrobinson_ptc's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/21/2013
last question for now...

Why did Council stop getting the IT statistics that were regularly published? Those metrics seemed to disappear, and it wasn't something staff wanted to stop providing. Were those metrics just not important?

Thanks again; I really do appreciate you attacking the issues here and engaging in a public dialogue on challenging matters. I would challenge the other candidates to use this forum in a similar manner.

I would also like to see the "anybody but Haddix" and the personal attacks crew (Haddix too) calm down a bit. Personalities are what they are, but focus on City government operations and strategies. Character assassination is not doing anyone any favors and is making this voter tired.

Thanks, George.

johenry
johenry's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/22/2006
Mr. Bradshaw

Why didn't you run for city council instead of mean Mike King???

The Last Don
The Last Don's picture
Offline
Joined: 02/20/2008
Great questions Scott

but your fellow Rotarians didn't seem fit to ask them. The Rotary seemed to dodge any real issues and focus on those that are already part and parcel to what has been rehashed several times over.

Not a lot of substance in the questioning session.

What say you now?

Recent Comments