Taxes and the meaning of Obama’s ‘shared sacrifice’

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President Obama is right. When he talks about the “Bush tax cuts,” the President bemoans the fact that these cuts inequitably distribute the tax burden among Americans. Instead of this inequality, he argues that we need to return to tax rates that promote “shared sacrifice” and ensure that all of us pay our “fair share” of earnings to the federal government. True enough.

But President Obama is not right in the way he thinks he is right. When the President speaks of “shared sacrifice,” he means that “the rich” do not pull their weight and keep too much of their money for themselves rather than sending it to the government for the common good.

The actual facts about the Bush tax cuts, however, paint a startlingly different picture than the one the President articulates in his speeches. The cuts apply to all American income-earners and remove millions and millions from the obligation of paying any income taxes.

Indeed, half of Americans now pay no federal income taxes at all. Additionally, through the earned income credit, 30 percent of Americans receive tax refunds for taxes they do not even pay.

So who, then, is paying taxes to the federal government? The rich. In everyday terms, “fair share” would mean a rough equivalency between the percentage of taxes paid and the percentage of income earned. Based on this definition, the rich do not pay their fair share. They pay far more.

Here are the numbers: The top 1 percent earn 19 percent of the income but pay 38 percent of the taxes. The top 5 percent earn 33 percent of the income but pay 57 percent of the taxes. The top 25 percent earn 66 percent of the income but pay 85 percent of the taxes.

These figures show two things. First, the top income earners pay a disproportionately high share of all income taxes. Second, the higher up on the income ladder one goes, the greater the share of all income taxes that person pays.

To hear President Obama tell it, however, high-income earners pay hardly anything in taxes while those on the lower end of the economic spectrum are forced to carry the burden for all of us. As the facts bear out, the reality is exactly the opposite.

Now it may very well be that our present inequitable system of making high-income earners pay a higher proportion in taxes than they earn in income is sound public policy. That is a different debate for another time. The point here is that the President’s rhetoric is totally divorced from the truth and highlights the hollowness of his platitudes on this issue.

Does a call for “shared sacrifice” have any real meaning when the President directs his ire toward those who already pay twice their pro rata share in taxes and yet leaves other income earners who pay nothing untouched? How much more do the rich have to pay to reach their “fair share”?

President Obama’s deception goes deeper still when he blames our debt problem on a small minority of citizens holding the country “hostage” by refusing to raise taxes on the rich. Not so.

The top federal income tax bracket now sits at 35 percent. Even if we doubled this rate to 70 percent, the United States would still have roughly a trillion-dollar deficit. That’s trillion with a “t.”

Taxes aren’t the problem; spending is. Why then the unrelenting focus on taxing the rich?

Not because of economic policy. Rather, the push for tax increases on the rich is philosophical, primal even. The prevailing mindset of the American Left is that success is the product of fortuity, not achievement. If fate determines income, as this viewpoint believes, then the rich have no moral claim to the money they earn.

This line of thinking is the path to financial misery. All of us should take heed of the writer Robert Heinlein’s warning that the standard of living to which we in America are accustomed is not the natural state of the world:

“Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

This is known as ‘bad luck.’”

Heinlein is kidding at the end, of course. Bad luck has nothing to do with it. Punishing success is a choice.

It is also economic suicide — for the rich, poor, and middle-class alike.

[Lance McMillian is a Fayette County resident and law professor at Atlanta’s John Marshall Law School.]

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DM - re-read

my post please, I think you misunderstood what I said. I meant and maybe I was not clear enough, that all people should be celebrating this day. The day that didn't really happen officially.

The fact that many of the Federal workers happen to be black has nothing to do with what I said or meant. I was disappointed with the lack of whites and other races at this event. Perhaps it will be different when the official opening occurs.

I will be there.....again.

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My point is that I was there before many 'visitors' arrived - and the residents of the district were probably taking advantage of small crowds. The residents of the District, especially near the memorial, are predominantly black. I saw more white and Americans of other colors than I expected to see. I thought I understood your classifying an American event as a 'white event' as your perception of what an American 'event' would look like.

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Good article in today's AJC

Regarding 'race' in America.

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To All:

After researching the content of some of my conversations with Oou - I feel that the current Observerofu and Oou may be two different persons.

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Why DM?

Why do you feel the need to try to in some small way discredit my conversations with you?

If you can not argue your points logically with some creditably do not attempt to obfuscate your lack of a coherent thought to some nefarious undertakings on my part.

I am and always have been observerofU. Don't know who Oou is.

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It's all a big conspiracy

The jig is up Observer! The race pimp queen found you out!

LOL

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actually white "slaves" in Georgia/trash is trash

Folks..do you know that Georgia was originally a penal colony and debtors were put into indentured servitude from England in the late 1600's and 1700's...People are right in the assessment that every generation/culture has had its underclass, orientals, irish, gypsies, jews, etc.. just get over it...

I have a problem with "trash" mentality whther it be backroads trailer or ghetto...people who think they are owed a nice home, free food, a car and the other items most of us work for...while they whine and sit on their butts...the color is just dependent on where you are..plenty of trashy folks that happen to be black in Riverdale but if you head to a more rural area it will look like Deliverance...I know plenty of white folks who would steal the gold out of your fillings...

Black or white the entitlement mentality has worked its way into our world. I know way too many families who use the TV as a babysitter and instead of turning off the tv and making sure the kids are prepared for school blame the teachers. The TV and the internet can be a good thing in moderation but uncontrolled it has become a nightmare...Kids know who Snooky is but not who is the Vice President, who won DWTS but not what the square root of 25 is.. Laziness and victimization are the villains and we are raising a generation of mentally lazy adults...and NOW the ones who do have the skills and smarts are burnt out taking on the work of 3 or 4...often because the boss can not find qualified candidates to help...

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but if you head to a more rural area it will look like Deliverance.

My husband took me on a 'tour' of this beautiful state to show me that the backroads and some of the urban areas are inhabited by the 'underclass' of more than just one race.

No disagreement here! Race has little to do with 'laziness and victimization'. But some from these environments with help have been able to rise above ghetto and/or backroad environments. The 'underclass' in America today comes in all 'colors'.

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"federal program. Today ,in 2011, companies hire on qualifications - and then look at 'color/gender'. There is only 'one' of me. Many editors don't consider me 'silly'. This discussion has been shared with many. This is the 'new' south - but old attitudes are hard to 'cover'. "

1st place...if they aren't looking at color...there would be no need to fill in your race would it?

2nd thing "This is the new south but old attitudes are hard to cover"?

I was raised that all are the races were equal and should be treated as such...that was my 'OLD' SOUTH growing up...you don't know what you are talking about. You weren't raised in the south...I was.

My 'new south' thinking after moving to ATL and seeing the hate..not white against black...but the opposite..blacks HATING whites...has changed my attitude. My 'new south' thinking is that I was a naive fool to ever have taken the blacks side. People like you, David's Mom, are the ones that keep something going. You are a bitter, evil old thing, that barely conceals it. You don't want equality...you want revenge. You are ignorant of, nor will accept the fact, that whites don't owe you. You were not the only, nor the 1st slaves here, as I've told you...the Irish were, also the American Indians. Get over yourself. You have said the whites 'kept you down' but then here came the Orientals into the same areas and turned those places around. Then you guys hated on the Orientals. Next came the Mexicans...same deal...now you hate on them. I watched a documentary the other day about how the Arabs have moved into Detroit and they are .....AGAIN...doing the same thing ....turning around areas that the blacks have burned out and run down. What I have come to realize is that you don't want to participate in making things better, you and your buddies are a spoiled brats that want to come in and take over with the help of your hired goon, the NAACP. You want to run the whites out and buy their houses for pennies on the dollar, you want to take over the schools. You don't WANT the best person hired...you want a black and to hell with the results..that is why businesses go overseas..to get away from that. You are not part of the solution...you and your attitude are part of the problem!

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I was raised that all are the races were equal and should be treated as such...that was my 'OLD' SOUTH growing up...you don't know what you are talking about. You weren't raised in the south...I was

I wasn't raised here, but was in the south almost every summer. I know exactly what I'm talking about. The south wouldn't be what it is today without the cooperation of blacks and whites working together and not lumping all of either race as 'haters'. There are some here who are posting just that. The disease has been exposed and the healing continues. There is no one hating at the MLK Memorial today. Many families (representing all races) are here with their children. . and there are smiles all over the place. Let a little love in today, This memorial means a lot to American citizens. . . and the great healing that occured in our country through the implementation of the non-violence theory. Fortunately I have worked with too many Americans to realize that it is wrong to lump all in a particular race together. You have every right to your opinion, but expressing it in your manner validates that you have turned into a 'hater'. Hate shortens ones life. Let it go and live a little longer.

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DM: The Hate of White Colored People

Do you come here in peace? Do you come here in the south and on this blog to stir up hate?

Do you think because you are black(so you say) that you deserve special treatment? Do you think that whites should feel guilty because your black brothers and sisters in africa sold your ancestors?

We enjoy a community with low crime rate(relative to ATL). We live in peace , what is wrong with that?

You are the only one who consistently stirs up hate and distrust. I think from your posts that you think, you deserve special treatment because you are black. That stinks. Not one of us deserves special treatment because of skin color. You play the poor me I'm black race card very well. The sad thing for you is that we have moved on from the 1860's. Whites don't and shouldn't feel guilty for something your black ancestors in africa did. We shouldn't feel guilty for our white ancestors either. We need to move on.

I will say after the article in the Washington Times this past week( Fri. Aug. 19 Editorial: obama: Whites Need not Apply) it is hard to heal when the president of our country wants to ACTIVELY promote discrimination. We will never heal with attitudes like his. If obumbles really thinks all of the federal government would be better off without people of white color then we need to start with the "WHITE" house. obumbles is half white lets start a recall. He did say in an interview that we would be better off without white people and since he is half white colored I guess that means him as well.

The next time you are tempted to call someone racist look in the mirror, turn your frown upside down. Get on with living a happy life.

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Skyspy, obviously you haven't noticed a few things here and...

on the national scene. Pardon my interruption of your pile on with David's mom, but I had to read your post twice to believe you wrote it.

You said this of David's mom:
"You are the only one who consistently stirs up hate and distrust."

Please, Skyspy. Suggarfoot ranted about all the blacks having all the jobs at the airport and ruining Delta. Jokeawfi talked of how us folks want everything everyone else has and we don't want to pay for it. BadPTC is still explaining how "wetback" is not a racial slur. You may remember the term "raghead" thrown about on these blogs by someone you know very well. A whole host of Grizzs, who never comment on white crimes locally, will come on to blog about black criminals the next crime that they think is committed by a black person; even if it wasn't (reference the Deputy shooting). Oh, and let's not forget just who on this site has actually harrassed and negatively affected the lives of our fellow bloggers, certainly stirring up some distrust. If you are going to take David'smom to the woodshed, you might want to tell things like they REALLY are while you do it. Though you feel David's mom is the sole source of angst here, I dare say she is not among those who have driven people to quit blogging in masse. Refresh your memory to the vile and ugly personal attacks made towards Jeff Carter almost daily. David'smom isn't even in the hatred ballpark that some of your fellow conservatives play in. And you are usually SILENT towards their brand of hate.

"Not one of us deserves special treatment because of skin color."

Very true skyspy. None of us deserve special treatment. My guess as to why you think we have "moved on" is most likely because you have no clue what living in black skin in America is like. Skyspy, we have moved so far past those ugly days that Daryl Dedmon is up on murder charges for running over a man in Jackson, Ms simply because the man was black

http://www.chron.com/news/article/Teen-facing-capital-murder-in-alleged-...

Why do I point that out in particular? Well, I have a friend in that area who is white and when we go out and about together she is amazed at the looks, stares, and comments we get. Seems she doesn't get that type of attention when out with her white friends. Why is that, skyspy? My favorite was when I was in the McDonald's drive thru in uniform, and a gentleman looked at me, walked over to my car, and said, "I didn't know they had nigger pilots." That is an exact quote. And it was not very long ago. My white friends with me can back it up. Yes, Skyspy, we have moved on haven't we.

But here's my fave from you"

"it is hard to heal when the president of our country wants to ACTIVELY promote discrimination. We will never heal with attitudes like his. If obumbles really thinks all of the federal government would be better off without people of white color then we need to start with the "WHITE" house."

Yes, Barack the "magic negro." The President who has been the subject of racist attack after racist attack; the Tea Party circulated email with watermellons in the Rose Garden. The Obama Whaffle signs distributed at The RNC convention with his huge, black lips; The bone through the nose tribal witch doctor posters at Tea parties. Barrack as a monkey posters at Tea parties; The illigitimate Kenyan not born here President. The President who, according to Fox News, had a Hip Hop White House birthday; the Presidents with more death threats against him than any previous president. I dare you to conduct an internet search on "N-word President." No, you won't find anything, Skyspy. It's all in our heads, and a product of Obama's racist attitudes.

Skyspy, you came in telling David'smom to clean her house, ignoring the ABSOLUTE INFESTATION of your political party, your fellow conservative bloggers, and even some of your own past not-so-carefully worded statements. Hatred and anger and callous words here are very biracial and bipartisan. Denial is a river we all must cross, at some point. Me included.

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kevink your reply should have been

to the man at McDonalds, "no and you still have no evidence of nigger pilots but you just became proof of white niggers.".

I'm sure you would never say such a thing but my definition of "nigger" has always been "an ignorant, nasty person" and always will be.

The trouble is that people like that think it only means "a black, ignorant, nasty person".

Their upbringing is flawed by much more than the type of racial innuendos found and such on this site.

The sad truth is that racism is a cancer in the black communities between darker and lighter skinned people too.

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Very true BHH. But you've gotta admit..

The guy was pretty bold to approach a car full of guys and say something like that. Good thing it was in Oklahoma and not Atlanta. I don't think folks in Atlanta would be as nice to him.

That being said, I have had many white friends on the opposite side of verbal abuse. It's always dissappointing that people would harrass strangers for no reason at all. Luckily those type of people are the exception and not the rule.

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The sad truth is that racism is a cancer in the black communities between darker and lighter skinned people too.

This is true - but a general statement. Many black families have some members that are light and some that are dark. It is prejudice that is the cancer that is found in the human psyche - and not just a racial community IMO. I think your suggested response was classic!!

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Dm, cancer may not be the best term.

Because it has the connotation of a growing problem.

I do believe that it's a shrinking cancer.

There is with each new generation a growing number of people who are racially mixed or have biracial family members.

By this many are forced to deal with the facts of life on a more personal level every day.

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Nice thought.

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Kevin: The Washington Times 8-19-11

Tell me obumbles isn't racist and trying to destroy this country.

No one deserves special treatment based on skin color. When we all demand that the race question is taken off of all applications we can put this to rest. As long as race is used as the deciding factor for applications for jobs and schools we will never heal and people of every race will feel like they have been screwed.

At this point in our history no one owes anybody anything other than the opportunity to work hard. al and jessies's message of poor me, the white man owes me is old and increasingly falling on deaf ears. They have lost all credibility.

I think we will always disagree on this one. I'm over feeling guilty for being white colored. I don't have anything to apologize for.

To be clear I think all people of every race know that slavery is and was wrong. No one is happy that blacks in africa kidnapped and sold their people into slavery. No one is happy that plantation owners in africa , south and north america, and european controlled islands and countries bought slaves to work on their farms and plantations. No one is happy that irish indentured servants were used to run plantations and were NOT set free with the emancipation proclamation. Everyone knows it was wrong. We know that the holocaust was wrong also. We know that the true Americans the American Indian was also tortured abused and robbed of their land.

So what do you propose? What would make our country whole again? Should we pander to hate mongers like the black panthers and the likes of al and jessie? al and jessie definitely have an agenda to keep the donations pouring in. The have to make blacks think they can't possibly make it without them. What would put this racial divide to rest? Should white colored people bow and scrape for the rest of eternity or should we all work together as equals?
Personally I don't think I can heal after reading comments made by our "president".

Can we continue as a nation divided with a race quota on everything? Now that the numbers have swung in the other direction should we start to have a quota to fill white slots?? Then where does it stop?

DM is one person who seems typical of the ole jessie and al poor me I'm black crowd. That may not be how she wants to come across, but that is my perception of her posts. "Poor me, I need to be healed, I'm black did you all know I am black , ...we need to be educated. I'm black did you all know, I'm black, y' all are making comments when the crime stats come out, I'm black poor me" I came here to start discussions on race ,did y' all know I'm black? poor me, y'all don't know hard it is to be black, poor me, I'm black" and on, and on, and on...

I guess I just don't feel sorry for her bad imitation of al and jessie anymore. It is hard to take their constant complaining as reliable or credible.
I guess we all have different view of this country based on our backgrounds.

So what is the answer? The sad thing is I don't think there is an answer. Even after decades of affirmative action black people still feel that they should get more even when the quotas are in their favor every time they still cry that it's not enough. So what is enough if having everything from home loans(bill clinton 1994 when he rewrote part of carter's community reinvestment act) schools to jobs thrown to their favor based on quotas and that is still not enough? So what is the answer? If having everything given to you based on race is not enough, whats next? Should we kill off all of the white colored people? Would that make you happy? Would that solve the race problem in our country?
Just asking....where do we go from here?

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Obama not racist...Obama is Marxist

I don't dislike the president because of his race but his Marxist leanings and elitist attitude..

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rmoc - This

This is a most important point. The essential fact that makes Mr. Obama and DM two peas in a pod is their common belief in increasing the power of the state.

DM's socialist positions threaten our individual freedom.

She is satisfied being a slave to the state, and if her ideas are successful they will enslave us all.

Over the next three years every American will find out how much freedom we have given up during the Obama regime, and it will be nearly impossible to reverse it.

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PTC Observer. We elected a President. It's not a regime.

And we are all past the "slavery" analogies. Pretty stupid a** expression given the subject matter.

Oh yes. You are free from Osama bin Laden. You have been freed of a few Somali Pirates. You have been freed of more Al Qaida and Taliban fighters than folks like yourself will ever admit. You have been freed from high tax rates.

Frankly, your ad hominem attacks do not make your arguments seem reasoned, intelligent, or even relevant. Explain to all of us EXACTLY what freedoms we have lost due to the policies of our current President. Why am I even talking to you? What have you said here that would lead me to believe you have a well reasoned argument to make? Time for another Sam Adams. Geez!

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Here ya go

http://www.nyclu.org/pdfs/eroding_liberty.pdf

1st AMENDMENT FREEDOM OF SPEECH
• The Patriot Act broadly expands the official definition of
terrorism, so that many domestic groups that engage in
nonviolent civil disobedience could very well find themselves
labeled as terrorists.
• The Government may now prosecute librarians or keepers
of any other records if they reveal that the government
requested information on their clients or members in the
course of an investigation. It has become a crime for these
individuals to try to safeguard your privacy or to tell you
that you are under investigation.
1st AMENDMENT FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION
• Government agents may now monitor the First Amendmentprotected
activities of religious and political institutions, and
then infiltrate these groups with no suspicion of criminal
activity. This is a return to domestic spying on law-abiding
religious and political groups.
• You may now be the subject of a government investigation
simply because of the political, activist, or advocacy
groups you are involved in, or the statements you make
within these groups.
1st AMENDMENT RIGHT TO ACCESS
GOVERNMENT INFORMATION
• A U.S. Department of Justice directive actively encourages
federal, state, and local officials to resist and/or limit access
to government records through Freedom of Information Act
(FOIA) requests.
• The Government has conducted immigration hearings in
secret behind closed doors. Such proceedings were once
open to the public. Hundreds, if not thousands, of immigrants
have already been deported in secret.

Just a little info.

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Observer. Who signed the patriot act into law?

Try again. And I have to acknowledge you as defending the characterization of this President leading a regime that wants to enslave us. You will salute absolutely anything a conservative dares run up the flag pole. Amazing

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Ditto

Kevin and you will bow and genuflect at the feet of an ideology.

The Patriot (sic) Act is a cancer that Obama promised to remove he did not.

You ask what rights have we lost I gave you those rights kevin. Asked and answered.

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kevink. Who just extended the patriot act?

Pres. Obama authorized the extension, signed with an auto pen, just before midnight on May 26, 2011.

To your point is was initiated under the Bush administration but has been allowed to continue under the Obama administration.

Anytime Pres. Obama wants to repeal it he's free to do so. As that didn't happen I see no point to your question of; "who signed the patriot act into law?"

A better question would have been, who keeps authorizing it to stay a law?

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You are missing the point. The current president has not taken away more of ones freedom as another on this blog stated.

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BadP. My mom says I cant talk to you.

I think it has something to do with your preoccupation with my work schedule.

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kevink, you should always listen to your mother

As far as your work, you can thank others in your profession for the incites.

I've never met a more talkative group of people. I guess after being stuck in a tiny room with a view for several hours, or days, they just need to vent. It's not just you they chatter on about but I recognized your name when it was spoken and it kinda stuck with me. You should hear the stories about what happens while waiting around for two or three days to come home. Talk about making a sailor blush.

My job keeps me earth bound, for the most part, and has nothing to do with big silver birds.

Oh, BTW, I just noticed others have used that supposedly raciest word you hate me for using. They claim that is a legal term.(I didn't know that) Did you see the definition of it I posted?

P.S. Am I still a raciest?

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You are absolutely the raciest....

Especially when you wear your hair down ;-)

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Kev, just a couple...

...for now; the freedom to choose if I want healthcare coverage or not, and the freedom to have established law(s) enforced to deport illegal aliens. Just a couple that immediately came to mind...

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Kcchiefandy. You have great punch lines.

You have lost the freedom to have laws enforced to deport illegals? I have flown several illegals out of our country this month alone. Oh. And my best friend has no health insurance. And he has neither beenpenalized nor arrested . Rodney Dangerfield aint got nuthin on you LOL

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Thanks!

And there are many yet that have been stopped from doing so due to recent administration's policies, and if they have their way these criminals will never go home. I believe the penalties for no health coverage have not taken effect, yet. Lose one freedom and you risk the loss of them all...

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Ironic Kcc

Some would consider having the govt stop them and ask them if they are illegal as an infringement on their freedom. I'll never forget Jan Brewer stumbling all over herself when asked what an illegal looked like.. Nothing like being shaken down by small gov conservatives.

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Kev, I see that...

...more as a protection of OUR freedom; if they're illegal they don't HAVE that protection under our laws. I am still stunned that there is a group (ACLU? Can't remember) suing a TX border landowner because he's 'violating' illegals human rights by stopping them from crossing over HIS property! What does an illegal look like? Well, in this case its someone heading north, avoiding our entrance checkpoints!

This is not a Dem or GOP issue; they have all failed us on this issue.

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Kcchief

As reported recently the inability to deport the teenage illegals is due to lack of resources. We want smaller Government and need to accept the shortage of enforcement in allot of areas.

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Thanks, didn't read that...

...but realize how important it is now to delegate authority to local & state law enforcement to stem this tide and avert the threat. It's going to take more than the Feds to get rid of these criminals. Maybe we can get DoD more involved, as this is really a national security issue at its core.

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Kcchief

We would have to setup more courts and hire local judges to do what you have suggested. Again increasing government and paying more in taxes out of our pockets.

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So be it, T-Man...

...whatever it would take to fix the problem a.s.a.p. Suggest we charge their home countries for their care & costs, instead of sucking us dry.

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You continue to spew the talking points of the GOP. (Illegal’s are sucking us dry, national Security). The US current position is to detain and deport the illegal criminals. As far as sucking us dry that has proven to be very questionable. Some illegal’s pay fed taxes but they will never make withdrawals.

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I spew...

...because I believe they're right. I will hazard to guess there are far more illegals NOT paying fed taxes, and I'm quite sure they use 'their' share of US-Gov't provided services (lots of #'s flying around out there). With 11 million illegals here our position needs to get off its a$$ and make it happen; at least some states are making progress.

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Allot of talking points but no action. Please review the deportation numbers by state and see if AZ, GA has increased their rates dramatically. You see the Fed's deport the illegals not the states. States can detain the individuals who will increase the burden on the state by having to feed and house the detainees. 300,000 cases are now before the Federal courts how long will it take for them to review the AZ & GA cases under their new laws? More tax money and less sales tax revenue. Is our hole getting deeper?

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You asked

"In the NAFTA era, a staggering 87 percent of Mexico's imports go to the United States, while Mexicans living in the United States send home more than $8 billion annually. Fox has said he considers his constituency to include the 22 million to 24 million Mexicans and Mexican-Americans in the United States. Mexican candidates now make campaign stops in U.S. cities like Los Angeles, Phoenix and Fresno, Calif." (Mexico's muddle, Ruben Navarrette Jr., March 26, 2003)
http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html

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Hey T-man. Do you find it interersting hearing tea party governo

rs beg the fed for money? The federal govt they call the problem? Too big? Too involved in our lives? The same way Rick Perry begged for federal dough for Texas fire relief. Incredible nerve.

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yea man. I Don't get the double talk

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Yes, Kev...

...natural disasters do happen, and everyone's hard-up for $$ these days. I wish the Feds could get back the $$ wasted on N.O. after Katrina; should have let that cesspool rot (more than it had been, that is). As for Perry, you do know that all politicians are two-faced, right? It's in their DNA. Just look at the POTUS...

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No one deserves special treatment based on skin color. When we all demand that the race question is taken off of all applications we can put this to rest. As long as race is used as the deciding factor for applications for jobs and schools we will never heal and people of every race will feel like they have been screwed

This would be a great first step towards healing our 'race' problem in this country. I have reviewed my comments. Sorry your perception has been 'poor me'. Race discussions are being held all over the country - and not many people have your perception. You have heard Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton in my words - and that has not been an intended effort, but thanks for sharing. Your words indicate that you are aware of the problem and would like a change in the relationship among Americans. I have stated here and elsewhere that a start would be to eliminate 'race' on American birth certificates. Since we no longer legally practice discrimination based on 'race' - why is it important to designate 'race' on our birth certificates? We are all Americans. Although it is evident that a certain segment of black and white communities still experience unequal treatment based on race - this reality has improved and AA and the quota system are no longer the prime reasons for 'integration'. The sting of segregation is still felt - but won't be 'healed' until we stop seeing one another as 'racial creatures'. My family will miss the ceremony on the 28th - but we feel that so much has been accomplished by the efforts of Gandhi and MLK. Only by sharing perceptions and LISTENING can the healing continue. From what I've heard over the years, segregation has been poison to both the black and white communities. . .and a terrible blight on American history. To refuse to listen to one another or discuss the problem is not healthy. When we see a white person as an 'enemy' or a black person as 'a taker' - progress towards healing is hindered. Generalizations about 'groups' are beginning to fade, and we all are beginning to judge people by their actions and content of character. This won't happen if we refuse to 'live together' and communicate. Fayette County, 2011, should be recognized for its progress in race-relations. My research and experience gives credit to the integrated churches in the area, and individuals whose families have long been practicing the principles of MLK long before the Civil Rights movement. There are white families in this area who have historically assisted the minorities in Fayette County. To this day however, members of these families are still very quiet about this history. It is apparent that my words have elicited anger among some white males. As I reviewed what I have shared here - I have been honest about my fear of white males in pick-ups, etc. Posters here showed me where this generalization was incorrect - especially here in Fayette County. I listened. The fear has subsided considerably - and has nothing to do with the Civil Rights movement or some of its leaders, but is based on some of the experiences of kindness, gentlemanly behavior and friendships that I have experienced here in FC for the past six or seven years. I would still be hesitant to publicly identify myself because of the hateful expressions that have been so freely shared.

Who are white colored people? Are they just designated as such in the Unites States? I have not heard this description before and would be interested in your definition. Thanks

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DM : White Colored People

White is a color, just like any other color in a box of crayons, white is a color. It is that simple. I'm just following the naacp group speak.
Is there something wrong with white colored people? What are you implying? Are you implying that a white colored person is not as competent or capable as any other color of a person? Is that really what you are saying?

I'm a German-American, a white colored person.

We both come from different backgrounds and I'm coming to realize that we will never see this issue the same way.

My neighbor who is an American Indian will probably never see America the way either of us sees it. I think it is pointless to try and change people or make them think one race of people is better or more deserving than another.

I hope you find peace.

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Actually, white is the absense of color

which explains why you can't dance.
Germans never really suffered because they worked hard and didn't drink. The Irish, siiiiiiigggggghhhhhh, well the Irish may have been the first white colored people as you so quaintly describe them.

Your American Indian neighbor must be proud of what happened to the neighborhood. He drive a Pinto? Mustang? You drive VW?

Dedicated to Bonkers. RIP 2010.

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"This would be a great first step towards healing our 'race' problem in this country."

You don't want healing DM...with it you feel your 60s notoriety would slip into obscurity, you are forever pulling the scab off the wound. What a joke you are.

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sky, suggarfoot, observerofu

Thank you for your input. Your 'wound' will never heal. I'm sorry for your pain. Others are healing, and as a nation, we are moving forward. You are still suffering from your perceived loss of power and privilege due to the events in the 60's when the advantage of full citizenship was offered to all. I have enjoyed the company of many in Fayette County who have a different political ideology than mine - and they belong to both the black and white race - who are moving forward (have moved forward) in race relations. You don't want the scab of healing; your reality is not the reality of many. There are blacks and whites who have not taken advantage of education; who have not assumed responsibility for their own success/failure; who don't realize what a great country we live in; who don't realize that all citizens here, regardless of color are AMERICANS. Again, thanks for your input. . .and thanks to others who realize the fruitlessness of changing the opinions of sky, suggarfoot, and obsererofu. I will still comment on race when appropriate. I still believe the NAACP is being used as a ploy to keep the voting system here unchanged so that the current representatives will still feel powerful. I hope I'm wrong, and new people will represent us on the Fayette County Commission.

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"I will still comment on race when appropriate"

Truer words were never spoken.. I'm sure if you live another 25 years...you will still be on here ranting about the evil whites.

"I still believe the NAACP is being used as a ploy to keep the voting system here unchanged so that the current representatives will still feel powerful."

Do you understand what you just wrote? The NAACP sued the county..not the other way round..get it? It was hardly anyone USING THEM.

Tell me, have you ever thought of donating your brain to science when you die?

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you are a complete nut case

" Your 'wound' will never heal. I'm sorry for your pain. Others are healing, and as a nation, we are moving forward. You are still suffering from your perceived loss of power and privilege due to the events in the 60's when the advantage of full citizenship was offered to all"

I have told you time and again...I was raised by parents that believed, and gave me the values...that Blacks were equal, to always treat them kindly, as accepted as equal...are you with me so far?

I was a CHILD in the 60s, are you with me there too? So if I was a child (which I was) and raised by people who felt all were equal (I was)..are you still with me? I could hardly have 'lost my power' as you stated and suffering from it..now could I?

I'm serious now...have you ever thought of professional help? You might be happier if you did.

It is not NORMAL to keep fighting the Civil rights deal, nor the Civil War, day in and day out as you do on this board.

It is also NOT NORMAL to read race into everything day in and day out..then blame others...and go...ah ha! See! You are all racist!

I'm sorry, but there is really something ...bad...wrong with you. You have been told over and over by a zillion different people on a zillion different occasions...that they don't want to fight the Civil War again...they are NOT closet, or for that matter open racist. But you keep picking and picking till you get a fight, which is what you always want so you can validate your 'poor pitiful me deal'.

What do you do at parties? Sing Com ba ya oh Lord?, show videos of you in Civil Rights sit downs? Do you dress up late at night in your old black panther jacket and peep in whities windows to see if they are holding a Klan rally? What in the world is wrong with you?

For at least 3/4 years that I've looked in here from time to time you are still singing your same old warped 'we will overcome' to a bunch of glassy eyed listers. You are beyond boring with it.

If you care remotely for your fellow blacks you would quit making a verbal spectacle of yourself. Don't you feel a little silly that everyone has called your hand on it soooo many times? You have been told repeatedly you open wounds...not close them...a lot of blacks would like to move on. But you won't hear of it. You just have to pull them down and back into the 60s don't you?

Maybe you need to start up a pen pal relationship with Sharpton on Facebook. Maybe the two of you could plot to burn ATL again. That would show us all who is boss, prove your point, and get you all the attention you crave!

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Hey suggarfoot

I'm not sure what to make of ol DM. 1. she is race baiting on purpose to cause hard feelings. or 2. she really feels that calling everyone and everything she doesn't like racist makes her look credible. It is sad. I hope she can find a way to live in peace.

Have a good night.

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skyspy and others

Would you care to again share the hard feelings that exist in 2011 because of what happened in the '60's?

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Dmom I still think you are beating a drum no one listens to

but this is of course your prerogative. Your views on race is colored of course by your history. You seem to see white sheets every where. I tend to see just people, some good, some bad.

You see if you go looking for racism you will of course find it. But it is my position why look for it? If it rears it's ugly head then deal with it, but in 2011 it is harder to find so why seek it out? Why beat the drum to a tune no one is listening to?

But again DM I will be glad to converse with you but remember disagreeing with you is not racism, it is not being mean spirited it's just conversation. Conversation is awful boring when the person to whom you are conversing with simply say "I agree" all the time. Don't you agree?

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observer

I ...soooo...agree with you. Most people are too busy living their lives to go looking for all the bad. There is certainly enough that will cross our paths without courting it. Life is too short. You have a very good attitude.

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observer, suggarfoot, PTCO and others

Jim Crow practices were in effect throughout our country after the 60's - and that is what necessitated AA, quotas, etc. Your hesitancy to celebrate the improvement of race relations here in Fayette County is telling. Those who have been here for years have shared that the real fear is Fayetteville and Peachtree City being inhabited by citizens who cannot maintain the homes and lifestyle that is enjoyed here in Fayette County. In this concern, ability to afford Fayetteville and Peachtree City and other parts of Fayette County ‘trumps’ color. If you feel that ‘race’ should not be discussed - fine, don’t participate. I am pleased that my husband and I selected a city in Georgia where citizens have dealt with race relations in a positive manner. There are negative stories that can be told – but in my experience and research the past seven years – the positives far outweigh the negatives. If my experience had been different, believe me I probably could sell my story to the highest bidder. It’s sad that no one wants to hear the positives regarding race relations. I just wonder how the ‘Black, Conservative Republicans in Fayette County react to some of the negative generalizations that have been expressed here. (You do have black Republicans in Fayette County – and there are ‘white’ Democrats in Fayette County)

I just wonder if those parents who so correctly taught some of you to treat 'blacks' as equal and with respect would be proud of the words that you have shared in this discussion. As we all ‘look at ourselves’ regarding this subject – a better gage might be ‘how do our children see us’? As to the NAACP actions; I have no personal knowledge of their experiences here in Fayette County. Legally, I think only through the aspects of the VOTING RIGHTS ACT could the present system of voting in Fayette County be challenged. It is obvious that making it a racial issue may have those who were considering changing it to get better representation of their particular neighborhood change their mind. Others may have a better handle on this situation. There have been discussions of a better method of selecting representatives to leadership positions - and these discussions did not involve ‘race’.

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I have a WONDERFUL idea

Why don't we all just let DM spew her snake venom, then her BS about "why can't we all get along?" ..AND NOT RESPOND TO HER?

We all know how these conversations are gonna turn out. I've gotten sick of it and entered into it, but it only makes per prance in front of the mirror in her/his tattered old black panther jacket a little more.

Oberserver said it best last night.

I don't want someone attempting to use me to try to make their sick points.

I have many black friends who never make a point that they are black, purple, or pink. They never sit around and go ..'oh by the way...do you know a whitie dissed me today?' They have made it on their own and not a quota, etc. and that is how they prefer it. I respect them.

I will not be drawn into anymore of David's Mom BS in her vain attempts to stroke her ego. I hope all will join me in ignoring her. I know it is hard, but life is too short, and it is my personal belief...she is crazy as an out house rat!

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Suggarfoot, You epitomize the problem

with rednecks! Ya'll'uns think anyone with an IQ above 75 is CRAZY! I know all those big words can be confusing! Now, before you go all Scots Irish here, I did a stint or two in the deep south during my childhood and picked up some redneck habits, but through Ninja diligence, overseas living in socialist paradises, association with people of different cultures and varying religions, and partaking of victuals other than grits, greens, and gravy, I have been able to shake my redneckishness! Eating sushi helps! You can do the same!

Falcons vs. Steelers Tonight! Let's See What the Birds Really Got!

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suggarfoot- Our Lady of Accurate Research

I think that if you sit and think about it for a while that you will realize that DM despises herself and her own skin color more than anyone or anything. Not even the liberals that post in here will defend her anymore. She has no shame at all and she appears to be under the impression that posting the last entry in a thread is the same as having the last word.

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Defending David's mom:
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Not even the liberals that post in here will defend her anymore.

I would defend her if I thought that she needed it. My observation is that she is a strong willed woman who is very opinionated and does a very good job of stating and defending those opinions, and the carbonsense never detected any desire on her part to expect anyone to like what she has to say. Her skin may be dark but it is definitely not thin and she does an exceptional job of replying to insults in an intelligent manner. She has her ways but the problems certainly appear to belong to others.

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Let D_Mom be D_Mom.

I like reading her comments and the posts that follow. She can make some of the blog bullies on the forum squeal, like a right wing AM radio program hosts, whenever she presents her point of view from her own perspective and they always come back for more.

Keep right on posting D_Mom, let your critics and detractors pump out that venom for everyone to see.

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Major Mike :-D

Every time I read your posts I am reminded of you telling me that you weren't here to debate facts. :-D. You prove this daily. I've gotta try blogging with my eyes closed like you do. No one defending David's Mom. Ha! Classic man! Classic!

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I think you are right. Thank you for your kind words.

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Thanks for your input. I don't despise myself or my gender or color. I don't need defending - but appreciate those who have the ability to disagree with me civilly. A conversation is better than a 'fight' filled with expletives. However, there are others in this blog who don't ignore me because of some ideas that I have that disagree with theirs. They have the ability to civilly explain their point of view without anger. I am quite aware that many here may not agree with all that I say. My point is that Fayette County has proven that citizens with similar goals and ideals can live together peacefully in Georgia in 2011. If you have a problem with that - its your problem, not mine. I have been accused of making statements that would make it seem that I don't appreciate the citizens that I have encountered in Fayette County. I think people who read my words will identify the false statements - and move on. I know I am.

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suggarfoot

I think you are on to something. Don''t let her steal a good day from you. When you let someone get to you they win. It is a beautiful day outside even with the heat. Have a good day.

Focus on the people you enjoy being around and forget the rest. Life is too short to waste.

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Thank you skyspy

Same to you...it is a beautiful day and someone like that just sucks the goodness out of it if they can.

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DM may rub you wrong but she has some good points. The key is civil communication. If we can get to that then we can start resolving our differences. Sorry to butt in on your rant toward DM.

I too have been concerned with some comments you make about Black's as if they are separate from us.

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that is my point

I'm not crawling in the gutter with her anymore. SHE is like a cancer.

I don't want to discuss black rights as if it were the 60s. I have black friends who have made it on their own. I feel strongly the quota system is horribly wrong. In today's economy, even more so. It belongs in the closet with Sharpton. Today, as hard as people try for a job, the best qualified SHOULD get the job. Not someone who is a quota. I've seen quota people get in the way of other qualified blacks and made sure they were never promoted. I've seen business relations ruined by quota people.

As for what Obama just did, I'm shocked. With blacks over represented in government,I never thought he would get sucked in like that.

I stand on this. The NACCP, Sharpton, etc...are counter productive. But they are self promoting. They want to win, not gain anything that is equal. As for me...I terribly resent ALL the politicans that got together and decided to lump me in ANYWHERE without my consent.

No, I wouldn't mind seeing a qualified black represent me in the place of Horgan, Hearn, or Frady. But I do deeply resent someone trying to stack the deck on such BS as that the whites have tried to block good blacks in Fayette county. I have it on good authority, that there was a black lady that ran against Lee Wright a few years ago. She wasn't about being black or white, therefore she wasn't a member of the NAACP and because of that they turned on her and put their weight behind Lee Wright. I have that from a white who WAS here when it happened and was a friend of the black woman and wanted to see her win. The NAACP is dog do as it is today.

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Skyspy, TerryGarlock, Suggarfoot. About That Washington Times

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/19/obama-whites-need-not-ap...

There is the link. I've been hoping I didn't have to do this. I was waiting for one of you to admit that when you site this EDITORIAL you adopt a very conservative OPINION by an ANONYMOUS author as fact. Let's dive in.

The words of the ACTUAL WHITE HOUSE MEMO ARE:

"to promote the federal workplace as a model of equal opportunity, diversity and inclusion.”

Is diversity bad? No. Is inclusion bad? No. Here is how the EDITORIAL WRITER twisted the quote:

"In other words, it would be better for the government if public-spirited white workers sought employment elsewhere."

That is the most blatant mangling of text to completely change its meaning that I have EVER seen in an editorial. That is not worthy of quoting or siting or any journalistic respect. They twisted "diversity" meaning all races, sexes, religions, and made it "no whites please." Truly disgusting journalism.

Read this EDITORIAL again. Look at the very few actual quotes from The White House, and tell me with a straight face that this is an accurate or objective editorial.

By the way. For context, the Washington Times has called for the President to resign and to be impeached. They are not serious journalists.

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Thank you!

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kevink, an editorial has no more credence than a blog post

God, this sucks. I have to agree with kevink.

I can't help but wonder why people read editorials.

They're written by a typing head rather than a talking head. What in Gods name do people see in some of these corporate junkies.

They weren't elected to anything other then the sponsorship of some corporation that pays for adds during their time slot.

Does Buchanan, Hannity, Limbaugh or Faux News have any, and I mean ANY, more mental abilities than the common man?

For Christ sake people read the news, from several sources, and make up your own mind.

People like Hannity and Limbaugh are such fools that they wouldn't know the whole story if it sneaked up behind them and bit them. There's even a web site that posts how badly Hannity slants the news to the point he's upside down most of the time.

People, trust nothing of what you read from a single source. If you find a subject that grabs your interest then search it out and read as many viewpoints on it as reasonable.

Do you blindly trust me to tell you the Gods honest and absolute truth on any subject? Do you blindly trust kevink or DM or Git Real or John Mumford?

Try reading the WSJ and then search the London Times for the same story. BTW, non U.S. news stories are far less twisted/slanted then what we get here on many occasions.

An editorial is ONE persons view on a subject. You have to consider that that person could find themselves unemployed if they stray from the owners or sponsors point of view. Any questions?

Thanks alot kevink! I was just starting to dislike you. Now I'm going to have to start all over again. ;)

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OUTSTANDING!! Your definition of 'editorial' should be required reading in every English / Civics/Social Studies class!
Acquainting oneself with many points of view is important when looking for the 'truth' or forming your own opinion. Often both sides of an issue have salient points that are worth considering! Thanks for sharing.

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Badptc. I gave up disliking you before I started

Even if you cant tell a FSBO from PTC Home Search.com ;-)

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for those not mentally

for those not mentally challenged. I think you can read and decide for yourselves.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/08/18/executive-order-es...

the deal is that
According to the Office of Personnel Management, federal employees in fiscal 2010 were 66.2 percent white, 17.7 percent black, 8 percent Hispanic, 5.6 percent Asian and Pacific Islander and 1.8 percent American Indian. Compared to the general U.S. population, the federal force is a bit too diverse. Blacks are overrepresented by 6.9 percent compared to the civilian work force, Asians and Pacific Islanders by 1.2 percent, and American Indians are more than double their proportion of the population at large. White Americans, who make up about 70 percent of the work force, are underrepresented by around 4 percent. Hispanics are also underrepresented despite the Clinton-era executive order 13171, “Hispanic Employment in the Federal Government.”

below is the order written out

EXECUTIVE ORDER

ESTABLISHING A COORDINATED GOVERNMENT-WIDE INITIATIVE TO PROMOTE DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION IN THE FEDERAL WORKFORCE

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to promote the Federal workplace as a model of equal opportunity, diversity, and inclusion, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Policy. Our Nation derives strength from the diversity of its population and from its commitment to equal opportunity for all. We are at our best when we draw on the talents of all parts of our society, and our greatest accomplishments are achieved when diverse perspectives are brought to bear to overcome our greatest challenges.

A commitment to equal opportunity, diversity, and inclusion is critical for the Federal Government as an employer. By law, the Federal Government's recruitment policies should "endeavor to achieve a work force from all segments of society." (5 U.S.C. 2301(b)(1)). As the Nation's largest employer, the Federal Government has a special obligation to lead by example. Attaining a diverse, qualified workforce is one of the cornerstones of the merit-based civil service.

Prior Executive Orders, including but not limited to those listed below, have taken a number of steps to address the leadership role and obligations of the Federal Government as an employer. For example, Executive Order 13171 of October 12, 2000 (Hispanic Employment in the Federal Government), directed executive departments and agencies to implement programs for recruitment and career development of Hispanic employees and established a mechanism for identifying best practices in doing so. Executive Order 13518 of November 9, 2009 (Employment of Veterans in the Federal Government), required the establishment of a Veterans Employment Initiative. Executive Order 13548 of July 26, 2010 (Increasing Federal Employment of Individuals with Disabilities), and its related predecessors, Executive Order 13163 of July 26, 2000 (Increasing the Opportunity for Individuals With Disabilities to be Employed in the Federal Government), and Executive Order 13078 of March 13, 1998 (Increasing Employment of Adults With Disabilities), sought to tap the skills of the millions of Americans living with disabilities.

To realize more fully the goal of using the talents of
of all segments of society, the Federal Government must continue to challenge itself to enhance its ability to recruit, hire, promote, and retain a more diverse workforce. Further, the Federal Government must create a culture that encourages collaboration, flexibility, and fairness to enable individuals to participate to their full potential.

Wherever possible, the Federal Government must also seek to consolidate compliance efforts established through related or overlapping statutory mandates, directions from Executive Orders, and regulatory requirements. By this order, I am directing executive departments and agencies (agencies) to develop and implement a more comprehensive, integrated, and strategic focus on diversity and inclusion as a key component of their human resources strategies. This approach should include a continuing effort to identify and adopt best practices, implemented in an integrated manner, to promote diversity and remove barriers to equal employment opportunity, consistent with merit system principles and applicable law.

Sec. 2. Government-Wide Diversity and Inclusion Initiative and Strategic Plan. The Director of the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) and the Deputy Director for Management of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), in coordination with the President's Management Council (PMC) and the Chair of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), shall:

(a) establish a coordinated Government-wide initiative to promote diversity and inclusion in the Federal workforce;

(b) within 90 days of the date of this order:

(i) develop and issue a Government-wide Diversity and Inclusion Strategic Plan (Government-wide Plan), to be updated as appropriate and at a minimum every 4 years, focusing on workforce diversity, workplace inclusion, and agency accountability and leadership. The Government-wide Plan shall highlight comprehensive strategies for agencies to identify and remove barriers to equal employment opportunity that may exist in the Federal Government's recruitment, hiring, promotion, retention, professional development, and training policies and practices;

(ii) review applicable directives to agencies related to the development or submission of agency human capital and other workforce plans and reports in connection with recruitment, hiring, promotion, retention, professional development, and training policies and practices, and develop a strategy for consolidating such agency plans and reports where appropriate and permitted by law; and

(iii) provide guidance to agencies concerning formulation of agency-specific Diversity and Inclusion Strategic Plans prepared pursuant to section 3(b) of this order;

(c) identify appropriate practices to improve the effectiveness of each agency's efforts to recruit, hire, promote, retain, develop, and train a diverse and inclusive workforce, consistent with merit system principles and applicable law; and

(d) establish a system for reporting regularly on agencies' progress in implementing their agency-specific Diversity and Inclusion Strategic Plans and in meeting the objectives of this order.

Sec. 3. Responsibilities of Executive Departments and Agencies. All agencies shall implement the Government-wide Plan prepared pursuant to section 2 of this order, and such other related guidance as issued from time to time by the Director of OPM and Deputy Director for Management of OMB. In addition, the head of each executive department and agency referred to under subsections (1) and (2) of section 901(b) of title 31, United States Code, shall:

(a) designate the agency's Chief Human Capital Officer to be responsible for enhancing employment and promotion opportunities within the agency, in collaboration with the agency's Director of Equal Employment Opportunity and Director of Diversity and Inclusion, if any, and consistent with law and merit system principles, including development and implementation of the agency-specific Diversity and Inclusion Strategic Plan;

(b) within 120 days of the issuance of the Government-wide Plan or its update under section 2(b)(i) of this order, develop and submit for review to the Director of OPM and the Deputy Director for Management of OMB an agency-specific Diversity and Inclusion Strategic Plan for recruiting, hiring, training, developing, advancing, promoting, and retaining a diverse workforce consistent with applicable law, the Government-wide Plan, merit system principles, the agency's overall strategic plan, its human capital plan prepared pursuant to Part 250 of title 5 of the Code of Federal Regulations, and other applicable workforce planning strategies and initiatives;

(c) implement the agency-specific Diversity and Inclusion Strategic Plan after incorporating it into the agency's human capital plan; and

(d) provide information as specified in the reporting requirements developed under section 2(d).

Sec. 4. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i) authority granted to a department or agency or the head thereof, including the authority granted to EEOC by other Executive Orders (including Executive Order 12067) or any agency's authority to establish an independent Diversity and Inclusion Office; or

(ii) functions of the Director of OMB relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

BARACK OBAMA

THE WHITE HOUSE,
August 18, 2011.

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Looking at DC workforce

while visiting the MLK memorial, I saw very few 'white' government workers. Regardless of the statistics, maybe this order, (the real order-not the right interpretation), maybe we should be hiring more 'whites' in the District! Just sayin'.

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DM - Sadly

This was not a "white" event, it should be a celebration of mankind's ability to overcome by all races, I am looking forward to returning for the official opening.

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What PTCO?

Are you implying that the 'government workers' seen throughout the District of Colombia were only there for the MLK celebration? Are you aware of the demographics of who lives in the District? Having the 'government workers' reflect the demographics of our country has nothing to do with who showed up at the memorial. The president wanted the workforce that is seen in our nationals capital to reflect who we are. What are you talking about? White event? Geeez. Were you even there? Are national events supposed to be 'white'? For a 'work week' during the afternoon in the summer, the visitors that were entering the memorial were Americans of all colors. I would imagine that many of them were residents of the District. Look up who lives in the District of Colombia.

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NAACP is no different from GOP and the Dem party. They all want you on their side for their existence. Each one has done some good for America in the past and some bad.

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Jim Crow was a Democrat

Jim Crow was a Democrat. It took Republicans to end the Jim Crow days.

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Who was Jim Crow?

Oh please. LBJ started the beginning of the end of Jim Crow practices. Grizz, please share the biography of Mr. Jim Crow. I wasn't aware of 'his' political affiliation. I'm sharing some Jim Crow history. I'm sure you'll share some also:

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/what.htm

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Gizz, don’t look now but

you’re showing us the south side of the bear again! 8 - )

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Yes but the Minority in Question

Seems to have forgotten that little bit of history when the Democrats started handing out the welfare Checks.

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Skyspy, I do think that pistachios add to a good cr'eme brulee'

Wait. Maybe i misheard your question. Oh, yes. What to do? First we will focus Daniel san. I'll try to not ramble.

There are as many opinions on here as there are people. No two are identical, but at least we have a vehicle to express our not-worth-much more than two cents' opinions. Some people, like myself, focus on national politics. Others do local politics and yet others wouldn't get caught dead waxing poetic on politics. Conservative Republicans understandibly far outnumber conservative Dems like myself and liberals here. So, consequently, most opinions voiced here are conservative.

For some reason, with all of the conservative opinions here; with all of the covertly and very overtly racial issues that are raised and statements that are made, conservatives here just come apart when Davidsmom dares express an opinion they don't like. Spittle flies and veins pop and "blacks have lost my support" bellows and angels cry and... well, you get the point.

Why? What's the big deal? D's M makes many a concilatory statement, yet gets no credit. You actually called her "the only one" stirring up distrust. That is a gross overstatement.

I was surprised you said we were past racial issues and D's M was clinging to the past, but look at this thread plus the two NAACP stories. We are absolutely not past racial tensions. It's right before all of our eyes. but how do we deal with it?

You bring up Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson quite often. You suggest that blacks, including myself, want something, or need your guilty contrition.

Skyspy, slavery is farther from my mind than pet jelly fish or glow in the dark nipple piercings. Just not things I think about; the glow in the dark nipple thing took a good five minutes to even conceive. Neither Al Sharpton nor Jesse Jackson have been nationally elected to anything. Jackson tried. He failed. The only people talking about either of those two on these boards are conservative Republicans. Odd.

And, sorry Skyspy. As much as I like you personally, I can't give your criticisms of Obama's view of the races credibility. You put President in parentheses while calling one of our more articulate recent Presidents Obumbles. So sorry, but the President who has appointed two non-black Supreme Court Justices, a non black Secretary of State, Secretary of Defence, CIA head, and press secretary does not want you to do anything but have a life free from the harm of terorism and double-dip recessions. If it were different, he wouldn't be getting such public flack from black activists.

Nothing is going to be solved here. And I will speak of this with you no further until we share a hand- made caipirinha or cosmo at the location of your choice.

Someone sounds like you near the Florida panhandle. I've embarrassed myself a few times calling them skyspy. They have not been amused.

Have a great night.

Cheers

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Good Night Kevin

I guess we (you and I) are a picture of what is going on in America. A couple of random thoughts.

One we are friends and we were neighbors until you foolishly moved. We have socialized and celebrated dinner and parties together. We are not racists, because racist people don't socialize and get along and enjoy each others company. We have many things in common aviation being one of them.

Here is my question again: Where do we go from here? By "we" I mean Americans as a people. If 2 people who are friends can't agree on the issue of race relations what hope is there?

Should we as a people just agree to disagree and enjoy all of our similarities and stop talking about race relations?

Are we as a "melting pot" doomed to always have problems with race relations? Should we just accept this and move on?

If we stopped all questions of race and stopped filling quotas would that put an end to the current conflicts we have now in our country?

I don't have any answers I'm just throwing the questions out there. I know there are no easy answers.

Maybe we aren't all supposed to agree, maybe this is a symptom of being in a melting pot, maybe we are trying to achieve something that can never be.

I still make the best martinis in town, let me know when you are slumming back in my part of town. Come on over. You can see a couple of new paintings I have started. Have a good night

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Great question Sky...

Us black folks MUST GET OUR HOUSES IN ORDER. I don't know how so many of our black males end up lost in lives of crime. Even some with concerned parents. I have one male cousin my age (due to our's being a family that has mostly girls). We have no relationship because most of his life has been behind bars in Philly. Drugs got him and have kept him. I don't know if studying black criminal behavior patterns can help fight the situations that lead to young lives being thrown away, but we have to try and keep roll models in the lives of young men of ALL colors.

The crazy tattoos and sagging pants are killing the employability of many of our youths; maybe that's where the mentors can intervene.

What can you do? Please please please don't support candidates who want to cut public education and jobs programs at a time when the need is so large to educate and employ all of our young people. The wealth gap is increasing, and I don't believe quotas based on race are the answer, but access to education and training is needed. We have to promote a system where those that want to end their poverty have the opportunity to do so.

Thanks for caring. Let's finish the conversation Friday evening or early Saturday afternoon; whichever works for you.

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It's not just black people it is everybody. It seems in America all races have been caught up in cradle to grave entitlement welfare. Everyone seems to feel like they are getting taken or they aren't getting their fair share.

I think at times our politicians have set up a tax system and welfare system to divide and conquer. I read many different newspapers online and I especially pay attention to the editorials and letters to the editor. Everywhere in the US and in other countries people feel like they are the victims of either tax policy or entitlement policy . Our politicians have set up tax systems and other gov. policies to keep us fighting amongst ourselves in hopes that we won't notice how crooked they really are.

Enough conspiracy theory for breakfast. Have a good day. I'll call ya

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Sky and Kevin

As I read your posts it hits me that maybe you too have hit on the secret of racial harmony. The ability to agree to disagree.

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G35, Sky, Kevin and others

Civility is the key here - and friends can do that. We need to have more situations where friends can discuss issues and agree to disagree - but maintain their friendship. This happens when dealing with individuals - much better than dealing with 'groups'. This approach was successful during the Clinton administration when small groups were established throughout the country to discuss race relations. I'm told that this approach was not welcomed in the 60's in the south - yet I feel that the south is far ahead of other parts of our country in 'living peacefully and respectfully with one another. Interesting. There was a big change in relationships in the south after the 60's - and before this change, evidently there were some bridges built based on familiarity and respect/trust. What was pointed out to me was the not so subtle suggestion that David’s Mom can't possibly be just one 'black woman' - and possibly may be a man or more than one man. LOL!

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G35 Dude I think you are Right

We know that we disagree on somethings, but it doesn't matter. He is a good friend and I value his friendship. I respect his opinion(we don't have to agree in order to have respect) and I don't need to try and change his beliefs or opinions and he probably can't change mine.

We have so much more in common than not. When you get to know people, socialize with them hang out with their family and friends; you realize that really there are very few differences amongst any of us. We might never vote for the same politicians but that is a small thing. A friend especially a true friend is so much more important than the small stuff.