Discrimination by any other name

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My family has lived in Fayette County for 23 years. It is a great place to live, work, and raise a family. We have a great neighborhood with lots of variety from little kids to retired people. Some of our neighbors are native Georgians and some, like my wife and me, are from other parts of the country.

Religious diversity in our neighborhood includes Baptist, Mormon, Seventh Day Adventist, Catholic, agnostic and more. There are both Democrats and Republicans. It is also racially diverse.

Over the years, our neighbors have included Asian, African-American, Hispanic and Caucasian. We have had enriching relationships with all of them. We enjoy our neighborhood and everyone in it.

Our kids have been taught to love and respect everyone they meet, because God loves everybody. God is fair and impartial, so we should be fair and impartial when we relate to our neighbors. Our kids know that we try to treat everybody the same, and we teach them that people who are not like you can be your friend. They have grown up in a world where it is not OK to discriminate against people based on things like race, gender, origin, disability, and religion.

Our nation and county have come a long way from the days of racial segregation. I’m not old enough to remember what America was like then. That was the world of my parents and grandparents. My generation saw the end of segregation. My kids’ generation knows it only as distant history.

Now, I am dismayed because the color-blind world we have been building is about to be shredded before our eyes.

How do I tell my children, who are coming of age in Fayette County, that some people here are making us return to the days of segregation?

To segregate is to “separate or divide along racial, sexual, or religious lines.” That is the dictionary definition. How do I explain that some people in Fayette County are forcing us to divide our county into segregated districts to vote for the leaders of our civic institutions like the Board of Education and the County Commission?

The reason these people are forcing us into segregation is, ironically, race. The NAACP has sued to create a majority-minority district so that a racial minority can be guaranteed posts on the County Commission and the Board of Education. Their claim is that no one in the 20 percent black population can win a countywide election under the current voting system.

That is patently false. Most of us know that the people in Fayette County are more than open-minded enough to vote for a qualified black candidate with good character and good ideas.

Chuck Floyd was a shining example. I voted for him and would gladly vote for another minority candidate if I felt they were the most qualified person for the job.

Most black candidates who have run in recent elections just haven’t been that qualified or were deficient in policy or character. So, rather than trust our electoral system, these people have to create a deliberately segregated voting system based on race.

I have to ask, though, why are we creating districts to favor just a racial minority? There are other minorities in our county, too. Did you know that 19 percent of Fayette residents are disabled? Why not create a majority disabled district?

Already 14 percent of Fayette County is over 65 years old. With a rapidly aging population that number will soon be 20 percent; the same percentage as blacks in Fayette County.

Twenty percent of Fayette County is Catholic, but where is the National Association for the Advancement of Catholic People? Maybe it is because NAACP is already trademarked.

The majority of Fayette County is female, so should we advocate a majority male district?

Obviously, I’m being facetious. It seems absurd to consider segregating our county based on gender, age, disability, or religion, yet we are dead serious about segregating our county based on race. How do I explain the logic of that to my kids?

We are now going to completely disenfranchise 80 percent of our residents to hyper-enfranchise one minority to the exclusion of all the other minorities in Fayette County, and we call that progress.

The only reason a disgruntled group can force the disenfranchisement of four-fifths of the county based on something as archaic as race is because there is a federal law that allows it.

It is time to reform the Voting Rights Act to prevent abuses like the NAACP suit. The Voting Rights Act was meant to ensure the transition from segregation and a society that denied black people the right to vote to a nation where every lawful citizen has the right to vote. Civil rights heroes like Martin Luther King fought and died for this right. However, that transition is complete.

The Voting Rights Act, as it currently stands, was for an America that is long gone, and it has out-lived its usefulness.

So has the NAACP. Today they have become a new brand of racists to force us back into segregation.

How can I tell my kids they should not tolerate racism if I don’t speak up about it when I see it? Discrimination by any other name is still wrong.

[David Richardson of Peachtree City is the executive director of The Assumptions Project. He has a master’s degree from Oxford University, and is a university consultant in education and culture. He is a recognized expert on the religious attitudes and beliefs of university professors. He, his wife and children have lived in Fayette County for more than two decades.]

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DM District Voting

Having advocated for two county wide tax referendums (ESPLOST) in a very Republican county, I think I can answer your question.

It was essential that we had team members across the county that were able to advocate on behalf of the ESPLOST and communicate FACTS to not only their friends but also to neighbors across the county. The first time it passed we lost Peachtree City where I live but won Europa by a very large margin. The ESPLOST was for the whole county and there were not carve outs to curry favor in one district versus another. People of good will banded together and did what they believed was right by all.

We were threatened by our Turf grass friends that unless this was included that in the latest ESPLOST, that they would work against it. Imagine five districts fighting for “their share”.

Under the rules today, a person must live in a certain district and they do represent their neighbors or should. Can you share with us how the proposed district has been underserved by the school system? Are there resources provided by the schools that are not in North Fayette?
Under the current system, we all have the opportunity to consider all the candidates and elect the neighbors we believe had made the case to represent us and keep our excellent Fayette County Public Schools.

I will call your direct attention to the last election for the seat currently held by Mr. Pressberg. Dr. Tolbert ran against a lady from the proposed majority minority district. I met this lady, her resume was replete with the factor she was a teacher (so was Dr. Tolbert). But when I talked to her, she was unaware of the issues affecting our schools, performance trends, or any other precept about our Fayette County Public Schools. I provided to her a large portion of the database we had developed for the ESPLOST. She never took advantage. We never saw her in PTC or in any other meaningful campaign mode. Tolbert won and should have as he was more qualified and made his case, at least in my eyes. In that example, the county voted for the better candidate not a district presumably voting on race. How would the Fayette County Schools have been better served by the other candidate?

Just my thought on your question. I think the 20% the NAACP/ Fayette Democrats advocate for have more of an opportunity to influence against an "establishment candidate" by building coalitions across the county instead of retreating into a gerrymandered district.

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Neil

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Under the rules today, a person must live in a certain district and they do represent their neighbors or should. Can you share with us how the proposed district has been underserved by the school system? Are there resources provided by the schools that are not in North Fayette?
Under the current system, we all have the opportunity to consider all the candidates and elect the neighbors we believe had made the case to represent us and keep our excellent Fayette County Public Schools.

Thank you for your informative response. I have asked that question about being under served - and no one here has cared to answer it. I made some uninformed guesses - but no one challenged them or disputed them.

Thank you for sharing your experience with the candidates. My question only elicits responses from those who feel they are being forced to have a minority on a governing board. I fully understand the feelings of one being 'forced' in any situation. A candidate for any public office must be conversant on the issues. You exercised your voting right as every American should. Thank you. I was not approached to vote for a minority candidate. As quiet as it's kept, African Americans also vote for qualified candidates - white and/or 'other'. I never met the lady nor read her stand on the issues. I did not consider her a serious contender for the position. On the other hand, as a resident of Fayetteville, I was able to cast my vote
for a candidate who could articulate the issues. (That candidate was a 'minority' and he won!). (City Council)

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Just my thought on your question. I think the 20% the NAACP/ Fayette Democrats advocate for have more of an opportunity to influence against an "establishment candidate" by building coalitions across the county instead of retreating into a gerrymandered district.

I certainly agree! I am learning about rural southern politics. - but coalition building in my experience has always been the step that assured success. Thanks again for sharing your insight.

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The Voting Rights Act was meant to ensure the transition from segregation and a society that denied black people the right to vote to a nation where every lawful citizen has the right to vote. Civil rights heroes like Martin Luther King fought and died for this right. However, that transition is complete

Complete? I don't think so until every citizen is insured that his vote is counted in the way he/she intended. . . and that vote represents his/ her concerns and/ or issues. Gosh, do you think the real fear is a Democrat may be able to do that from North Fayette? Hmmmm. May not be racist at all.

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The Voting Rights Act was meant to ensure the transition from segregation and a society that denied black people the right to vote to a nation where every lawful citizen has the right to vote. Civil rights heroes like Martin Luther King fought and died for this right. However, that transition is complete

Complete? I don't think so until every citizen is insured that his vote is counted in the way he/she intended. . . and that vote represents his/ her concerns and/ or issues. Gosh, do you think the real fear is a Democrat may be able to do that from North Fayette? Hmmmm. May not be racist at all.

DM, what do you mean by "insure that his vote is counted in the way he/she intended"? I don't get that. My vote counts...if I vote for Obama, it got counted. I intended my vote to go for him and it did. How can my vote represent my concerns and issues? It's merely a punch on the machine? I really don't get your point here.

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It's merely a punch on the machine?

Remember Florida?

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Gee, DM, my vote in the national election was not counted in the

way I intended, nor did it represent my concern and issues. Guess I was discriminated against. To turn things around, do you think that anyone elected in North Fayette cannot do that for the residents there? Why can only a black person know how to represent another black person? There are many times that things do not go the way I voted--but I accept that, because that is what happens in a free country. I know you still feel that racism is alive and well but what bothers me the most is that after asking for equality and the right to live and work whereever a person chooses and, except for economic reasons, this has become a reality, why it is now necessary to ask for changes because it is still not considered 'fair'. It is not as if people were forced to move into certain areas because of their skin color or religious affiliation--they had the right to pick and choose as you and I did. Of course I would rather be living in a mansion somewhere but I know that is out of the question, just as I know that it is out of the question for every election on any or all levels to go the way I want . My main question that no one seems to be able to answer is why when equal rights are attained do certain groups want separation once again? I thought that was what the civil rights movement was all about.

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The court will answer your questions. I've lived in a city where citizens elected leaders based on their leadership accomplishments . Tom Bradley (20 years). Kenny Hahn (I don't remember when this man (white) was not continually re-elected to serve LA's minotrity district. And this year, a city whose majority is comprised of Asian Americans and Hispanics elected a white man as Mayor. The new District may elect a black man or woman; a white man or woman; an Asian or a Hispanic or a Native American - but it will be someone of their choice. We'll see what the Courts decide.

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I've lived in a city where citizens elected leaders based on their leadership accomplishments . Tom Bradley (20 years). Kenny Hahn (I don't remember when this man (white) was not continually re-elected to serve LA's minotrity district.

Then why do we have to gerrymander a district in such a way that the NAACP feels will guarantee a black winner? If all you want is district voting why not just slice Fayette County with 5 equal and proportionate lines?

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AWWW Come on G35

That has to be a rhetorical question. Gerrymandering is used to insure power. The history of past voting and leadership in Fayette County does not indicate that the results would be anyway similar to the city that I used as an example. Looking at the map, and the information regarding where a larger number of minority citizens may live, that could be done (five equal Districts) - and one of the five Districts just may elect a 'black' leader to sit on those governing boards. I don't think it has happened/would happen under Districtwide voting in FC. That will be up to the courts to decide when the appeal is filed. I like Fayetteville because they quietly elected their current leaders based on the issues; the candidates ability to communicate how he/she would handle the issues; etc. There are still those who fear that the blacks who took over adjoining counties will ruin Fayette County. Check out the statistics. The 'black's/minorities who live in FC are not the same 'blacks' who came to adjoining counties years ago. 16% of the businesses owned in FC are owned by minorities. These business owners/home owners have no desire to see FC change into a Clayton County, Having one minority member of the governing boards of FC will not be the start of the ruination of FC.

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Hey Davids mom...insure

Just a little FYI, the correct word is "ensure". Insure conveys arrangement of compensation in the event of damage to or loss. Ensure is to guarantee a condition.

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THANKS!!! :-) Actually, maybe I should have used the word assure. What do you think?

http://data.grammarbook.com/blog/definitions/assure-vs-ensure-vs-insure/

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G35 Dude - I assume

" If all you want is district voting why not just slice Fayette County with 5 equal and proportionate lines?"

I assume this is a rhetorical question?

This is in no way what the NAACP wants, nor DM.

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I assume this is a rhetorical question?

Of course it is. We all know what this is really about. In fact DM says so below.

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That has to be a rhetorical question. Gerrymandering is used to insure power.

It is about giving one group a distinct advantage over the others. I still say we should just elect our officials based on race. We can have a white seat, a black seat, a Hispanic seat, an Asian seat and one for those of other/mixed races.

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what you wish for there dude.

You realize of course it has nothing at all to do with race, it has everything to do with power and philosophy of the entitled. It is about those living off the government vs. those that fund it.

Pretty simple math tells you that this can't go on forever.

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It CAN go on longer than you think

If Section 8 (your federal dollars at work) keeps paying their rent out of the taxes they swill off your working butt. They get to lay at home and breed. Soon the many offspring will make sure to vote you higher taxes to support them. But then the whole thing will collapse cause whitie will just quit working.

Our country is rotting from the inside out.

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It is about giving one group a distinct advantage over the others.

How will giving each District an opportunity to elect someone from their District to represent them make that an advantage over the other Districts?

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DM - This is

This is not a serious question on your part and you know it.

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What is the advantage of Districtwide voting - and who are the beneficiaries? Who has no power under Districtwide voting?

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DM - Inescapable fact

Nothing at all is wrong with district voting, if it is based on something other than race.

Let's say it's based on population without regard to race, districts broken down where they represent your neighbors and divide them in such a way that there is a common interest.

A gerrymandered district based on race does nothing to help to act as a unifying force among citizens. It merely acts to divide us. Just look at the proposed map by the NAACP, do you think that this helps diversity? Do you think it acts as a catalyst to bring us together? Exactly, it acts in a way that separates the races, it is counter to the philosophy of diversity.

It is a segregationist dream, DM

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It is a segregationist dream, DM

and has been used by political parties/city governments. etc. when the goal is to obtain power. The truism here is that there are those who refuse to see the progress that Fayette County has made in the past 30 years in 'race' relations - and see the goal of 'white only' power strategies used by the insecure as a way to maintain power - and the county's reputation as being 'white'. (This is information that I have received from both 'white' and 'black' longtime residents of Fayetteville.) The city of Fayetteville has a longer reputation than PTC. One would imagine that the racist/Jim Crow traditions in Fayetteville would be more difficult to change - but Fayetteville is moving ahead - ahead of the fearful in other surrounding cities in FC. Many here of minority background are sick and tired of the generalities being used in describing all 'black' people. The criminals that are often referred to are usually not residents of FC. It is insulting to imagine that the black residents here who are homeowners, business owners, taxpayers, have a different goal than their white neighbors. There is a section in FC that apparently is below the average income/education level of the rest of the county. It has been assumed by some organizations that the majority of these people are black. However, in the obvious gerrymandering to get black votes, some affluent housing areas maintained by blacks has been included. Instead of fighting this issue - which the courts will resolve if the citizens/leaders cannot come to an agreement - a group of citizens should be able to get together/listen to one another/ and come up with a solution that no one forces. We ask our children in leadership positions to do this all the time - and they are amazing in their understanding of one another. Fayette County has not been ALL WHITE for years. According to some, blacks knew their place - and followed the traditions established under slavery and Jim Crow. Those days are over. In most communities in FC, neighbors of different races and religions are living peacefully, side by side - as equals under the law. People congregate with others based on kindred tastes and morals. We attend the church of our choice; the restaurant of our choice; the concerts of our choice; the shopping areas of our choice. We use the services of physicians and dentists regardless of their color. In FC, we have the support of a small but mighty law enforcement; great schools; and hopefully supportive leadership that is looking for harmony rather than sick segregation. It doesn't help 'harmony' when people feel forced to respect one another - but here in the south, unfortunately that has been the history. It just appears that the citizens are ahead of the leadership at this time - who are afraid of retaliation at the ballot box. . .or never having an opportunity to be on the ballot. The 'leave us alone' - and eventually we will 'allow' a minority a chance to have a leadership position - crowd is in the minority. There are not many minority citizens who at this time have the desire to enter the political fray of FC. Neil Sullivan is correct - they will need a coalition of supporters, a knowledge of the issues, and the ability to communicate with their constituents. (Don't all successful candidates need this?) The citizens of Fayetteville are pleased with their selection of municipal government leadership; grateful for the past leadership who had a vision which we see being carried out. I hope the citizens of other cities in FC feel the same way.

PTCO - I don't disagree with you at all - but this is 2013. From some of the postings on this board and the reaction of the FC Commissioners, FC has not caught up with the rest of this diverse country. I am continually portrayed as a segregationist - because I support and highlight diversity. I learned early in communicating on this board - that diversity is a 'dirty word' for some. I feel in too many experiences posted here - that diversity was introduced in such a way as to promote fear and insecurity. Until we 'teach' the younger generations these fears and insecurities are based on character rather than race ( both minority and white youth) the major problem of 'racism' in America will truly be history. Patience is needed for sure - look it took us four decades to get to this point!! I and others will not ignore the fears and assumptions regarding the separation of races/the diversity of our nation. The rest of the world feels our diversity is a good thing. .. .but they are aware of our racism. . .most just believe there are more Americans who are from immigrant backgrounds who realize that this is a country of immigrants (except of course for the Native Americans) - and together we have done OK.

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You're wasting your breath. Racist segregationist black supremecists like DM prefer to worship at the church of perpetual victimhood, continually enabling and making excuses for those that think that they can live by another set of morals and laws.

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Suggarfoot and Kawfi

Using denigrating names just classify you and yours. Thank you.

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DM - Do you

Do you see what I mean DM? The response by Joe is a clear example of what I am saying. You can't treat one race preferentially different than another and have any other outcome but division.

You can't have diversity by forcing it upon people, they will either act out their anger over it or move away from it. Segregation is morally wrong no matter under what banner you propose it, equality, justice or race superiority. In the end force is wrong and gerrymandering based on race is wrong for that reason.

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You can't force citizens in the United States to accept second class citizenship. It's the fear of not being automatically considered ' better than' because of the color of ones skin that the insecure racists like Kawfi continue to exhibit. The guidelines are there. Get an education; treat others lawfully; and realize that there just may be a 'colored' or a 'woman' who is better qualified. Disadvantaged students of all races are getting 'help
to enter the quickly diminishing middle class - for that is the American dream. You may succumb or react to ignorant fear - but my generation refused to and the generation of my grandchildren thinks we're nuts to continue to acknowledge this as an issue! Their generation, which is inclusive in all of their activities, will truly judge on character and morals.

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If 'force' hadn't been used in the'60's, do you believe the good folks of the south would have allowed me to vote; to attend an integrated school; to sit in the theater next to 'whites; etc., etc., etc. All of this 'stuff' that my grandparents and parents had to endure - my generation was having no part of it! We were joined by the Hispanics, the Asians and many, many whites. The Civil Rights marches and protests were not just attended by 'blacks' alone - but even in jail, the demonstrators were segregated - and the white ones often received worse treatment than the blacks. I agree that gerrymandering based on 'race' is wrong - but it is a powerful tool all over this country that our (minority and white) leaders use successfully to maintain power. We need to demand leadership that truly reflects a changing America. Believe me, my generation has been carefully taught at home and in our churches not to do unto others as you were done unto. It is not an easy lesson to learn - but it is a necessary lesson to implement if we want to have a strong, unified country. IMO

The younger generation have no fear of the ignorance of the Joe Kawfi's of the world and will not react to their ignorance if it denies them their rights. This is a new day in America. . . and unless we beat the overt racism that exists - our enemies will continue to use us and 'hate' us at the same time.

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DM - Sounds good

But outcomes are quite different, we have equal opportunity but not equal outcomes. You merely need to look around you at the wreckage of failed government policies.

Perhaps, you really don't want to live in diversity. You will certainly not get it with your philosophy. You may want to listen to your grandchildren, they may become your teachers.

Perhaps you prefer dependency instead, but you reap what you sow.

Just look around you DM, the results speak for themselves.

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WHERE DO YOU GET THE IDEA THAT BECAUSE I AM BLACK - I AM DEPENDENT. You are white - does that automatically make you a stripper? What in the Sam Hill does my color have to do with my life style, my accomplishments, my educational level - or how I manage my home? Do I realize that there is much work to be done in the black community/my community - yes. And I have always done what my skills allow me to do. How much have you helped Appalachia (Like Dolly Parton) I looked around me when I was 30-40 years old and wondered why there were so many whites who weren't achieving - because they didn't have to jump through hoops like minorities and women. (That was very judgmental on my part - since I had no knowledge of their skills) Maybe you better get your grandchildren prepared to meet my grandchildren - because they are skillful, proud of their heritage, respectful of all Americans and their unique heritages, and have always been in diverse situations where character and morals counted - regardless of the color of skin or slant of the eye. I was brought up in a diverse neighborhood; attended schools that had diverse populations; worked with persons of all colors; - and have friends of all colors (even here in Fayette County) - and family of all colors. You see PTCO I'm an American who is sick and tired of the stigma that racism has planted on this country - and now sick and tired of the stigma that has been painted on the modern day south. Many blacks are returning home to their roots because they are being welcomed for their skills that they can bring to communities like Fayetteville and Peachtree CIty. Fayette County is becoming a laughing stock - which is undeserved because the citizens of Fayette County are living the American small town dream. Integrated communities, integrated schools, integrated shopping areas. Why is this happening successfully? Because of the very similar educational level, income level, of most communities in Fayette County, It's called kindred tastes - the same desire for crime free communities; good teachers; neighbors who care and keep up their property; etc., etc., etc. If whites with minimum educational levels; limited incomes; poor housekeeping habits, employed in criminal activity, etc., moved in,I think most residents of Fayette County would be fearful. This could happen in FC with the development of low rent apartments; increased section 8 housing; lack of adequate law enforcement, etc. This has happened in urban areas - the color of the skin made little difference. The section 8 housing in Fayetteville is integrated. Drive by one day - the results speak for themselves.

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DM - why

Why do you think I was referring to your race?

I am referring to dependency on the government and the outcomes of misguided policies.

Get a grip DM and stop yelling, please be civil.

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Perhaps you prefer dependency instead, but you reap what you sow.

How silly of me to misinterpret your use of 'you'. Of course I should have known you were referring to the government.
So sorry.

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You see DM

You see the world in black and white, I see it differently. It's not that you are black, it's the fact that you believe that government is the solution to equality and social problems.

No DM, the government has hurt the relationship between races by separating us based on color. They separate us by use of money and power in return for votes. You have merely fallen for it or thrived upon it. You are either for diversity based on character and ability or you're simply a government stooge with your hand out.

You are simply wrong in your philosophy and it is independent of race. In fact, your philosophy thrives on race separation, just as the National Socialists did in Germany.

You know this in your heart and deep down it really bothers you because I know you are a Christian DM and you believe that is it wrong to steal people's money by force. Thou shall not steal.

But perhaps......I am wrong.

PS - The use of "you" and "your" in this post means you (DM), not your race. I know you are sensitive about this so if I refer to your race, I will write "you people" and this you will never see DM, at least not from me, can you say the same? ;-)

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mentally, feeds the bears! lol

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Complete? I don't think so until every citizen is insured that his vote is counted in the way he/she intended. . . and that vote represents his/ her concerns and/ or issues. .

Since when does a racist like yourself get to decide when people have been able to exercise their right to vote? Life isn't fair David's Racist Mother, and all candidates will not always represent all of our concerns and issues. That applies to everyone. You are merely just another apologist and spokesperson for black suprememcist racists that want to wind the clock back to the 50's.

I wreckon that since I will be a minority of the northern district, that I ought to sue the county because there won't be a white person in office to represent my concerns and issues. See how twisted that sounds DM? Shame on You.

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Straight out of the 'racist' playbook

Turn their arguments against them. You and the NAACP forget that they (the residents of said District) may elect to have Mr. Presburg continue representing them on the BOE - since he was the choice of the sitting board for Chair. You don't feel that Mr. Presburg or a 'minority' person can represent you? HMMM - but you knew that with Districtwide voting, you would likely never have to worry about that. Keep talking Joe. Interesting. Mudcat is right, you just need 30+ votes to get elected!! Good luck!

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DM

I hope you realize that all your race baiting day in day out, year in year out...has polarized a lot of Fayette county whites that would have been apathetic without your taunting.

You have done more to cause Fayette county to appeal district voting than your small mind will ever realize.

Thank you for always reminding us of the worst we could imagine in your race. You have never let us think the best of your race like we would like, you have reminded us day in and day out that no matter how much we gave, some will always want more and feel entitled.

The NAACP could have won one more shell game if you hadn't got our attention. Thank you for all your veiled hatred you have shown towards whitie.

What a stupid witch you are. You did more to defeat the NAACP than anything the rest of us could have done. Sleep on that you old crone!

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You wish!! Many residents realize it is not the black homeowners; business owners; church attendees; consumers who live and vote in Fayette County are fueling your racist fires. Your neighbors in FC have the same desiret o live in the peace that we have all found here - without the ignorance of the racism of yesteryear which you so often manifest in your words. I am not the only one here who disagrees with you, Kawfi, and a few others regarding racist ideas. You know, I have only found this ignorance here, where we have been allowed to voice our opinions. What has actually happened is that the change in Fayette County has been noted and business and educational institutions realize that this county offers great schools, residential areas, etc., where those who work for/with them will feel welcomed regardless of their race or religion.
Fayette County, a stable, welcoming southern county with great communities!

Apathetic: showing little or no concern. Really? An apathetic organization dies on the vine.

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If you get to be in charge

you will do what you have a proven track record of doing when in charge... Clayton, Fulton, and DeKalb....ruin everything you touch and send whitie running further from Atlanta. Tell me one good thing you have done for the betterment of all in any of those 3 counties. You made a mockery out of them.

Apathetic: showing little or no concern...yes, people look over you and your stupidity, but this time you have rubbed it in their face and got their attention. Not a good thing to do.

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Why all of this angst?

Amongst other values, I teach my children to not jump to conclusions, in this instance about race and voting: see the recent mayoral elections in Harrisburg, PA. Ensuring that each district is represented makes much sense. Heck, you all might just be loving district voting in the near future.

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So very well stated

"The Voting Rights Act, as it currently stands, was for an America that is long gone, and it has out-lived its usefulness. So has the NAACP. Today they have become a new brand of racists to force us back into segregation.

How can I tell my kids they should not tolerate racism if I don’t speak up about it when I see it? Discrimination by any other name is still wrong."

Sad, but the race baiting NAACP doesn't make money, and will find themselves out of a job, if they don't keep stirring the pot.

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Gerrymandering or whatever

That is how the conservatives held the house of representatives on the national level. In many states the democrats won by majorities that is why the senate turned more blue. But thanks to the 2010 redrawing and consequent gerrymandering the conservatives have at least part of a branch of government. Otherwise it would be like the first few months of the Obama presidency. Conservatives used unethical means to hold on to power so the country could not move left like the majority wanted.

Is it wrong no matter who does it? I should imagine that old white votes count far more on a national scale.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/11/09/house-democra...

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Well David, these are truly interesting times. A teachable era

How to explain this to our children? Well, its difficult and time-consuming but you seem to have the necessary credentials. You simply teach history within the context of the special interest groups and the way many of those groups have influenced politics and even society in general. Unions, the NRA, railroad and steel magnets, blacks, gays, Vietnam war protestors, public education advocates, woman suffregettes, WWII vets, Some are good, some our not. Some are out of date, some are (or were) way ahead of their time.

Then you teach them to choose their friends wisely, to not associate with negative people, to not be influenced by peer pressure and to never, never, ever join any type of union or social or political organization. Group think is what causes most of our problems. Tell your kids to go through life with their own identity - instead of an identity some group loans to you and many others.

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Well said

...and I couldn't have said it better.

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Well put

Very well written piece. I appreciate what you're saying and I wish more people would say it publicly.

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Mr. Richardson - Well

good luck changing it. We have evolved into a race based electorate long ago. "Turning back the clock" is the phrase most often used by modern racial segregationist in response to a position like yours. Get ready to hear it here and among others that read your words.

So you see Mr. Richardson, segregation is now institutionalized in our society but it is not Jim Crow laws that keep us separated, it is the power of the Federal government, its misguided policies and court ordered gerrymandering.

We all hope for the day when we can all be judged by the content of our character and not the color of our skin, but this will not happen in our lifetime, the government will insure this.

Now we will wait for the wailing from DM.

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Now we will wait for the wailing from DM.

No need to wail . Mr. Richardson has made some very cogent points. From his comments, I would imagine he is about my sons age. He and his family are enjoying the benefits of the diversity of Fayette County: a diversified neighborhood, good schools, pleasant neighbors, etc. I enjoy the same. I do not live in North Fayette. Someone mentioned that North Fayette has a larger number of 'poor residents'. Is it possible that the members of the BOE and / or the Commissioners of the past have not responded to their issues ? Is it possible that because Fayette County has such an overall high average income level, that the issues in some of the other areas (poor)are not addressed seriously at the BOE or the other governing body? I wonder how the gerrymandering would look if it were based on income? (Or education level, or religion, or political party)
In 2013, it is based on race, because Fayette County is still regarded as one of the last hold-outs of Jim Crow by many in Georgia.

If only citizens would read The Fayette Woman and other FC papers, they would realize that in reality FC could be a role model for diversity in a southern county in Georgia. I congratulate the editor of The Citizen for allowing open discussion about racial issues. The change in District voting will not give one District power over the remaining Districts. There will be one representative from this 'poor' District at the table to represent his/her constituents. The representatives from the other Districts will be made aware of issues that may or may not be of concern to their constituents.

With the states lining up as they were in The Civil War, one may say that 'race' and/or 'states rights' has something to do with this 'line up'. Some residents here have voiced a fear of 'blacks' gaining control. Interesting. FC is segregated/ integrated based on economics, not skin color. It's time to end economic discrimination on the BOE and The Board of Commissioners.
There is no need to 'wail' - for in 2013, the just outcome will be decided by the courts.

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DM, you say in your last paragraph that Fayette County is

segregated/integrated based on economics, not skin color. If that is the case then it kicks out all your other arguments. I see the Civil War managed to slip in there also. With the diversity you see everywhere be it the color of people's skin or economics I cannot see how anyone could be citing racism. Since I am on social security and all these increases in 'fee's etc are fast heading me in the direction of being 'poor' I had better prepare to start yelling about economic discrimination in Peachtree City because there will soon be many people running for office who are wealthier than I am and I seriously doubt if they will be able to represent me honestly as they will not 'understand' my problems or fears.

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I had better prepare to start yelling about economic discrimination in Peachtree City because there will soon be many people running for office who are wealthier than I am and I seriously doubt if they will be able to represent me honestly as they will not 'understand' my problems or fears.

In a democracy, it is the responsibility of the people to organize and communicate with their elected leaders their concerns / issues. The Civil Rights advocates and the Tea Party chose to do this by protesting non- violently. The 'poor' hopefully, and only if necessary, will choose non-violence also. The poor of the future, if our economy does not improve, will be comprised of liberals, conservatives, all religions, men, women, Americans of all colors. The segment of the 'poor will be much greater than any union, corporation, or the top one percent of income earners in our country. The middle class in our country represents American stability. As the middle class shrinks, (you and me), the unstable poor will be the majority. Look at history, that situation has been/ is the beginning of the downfall of a nation. We had the strongest middle lass in the world. It was/is the hope of the United Staes.
Our current economic path is leading to the demise of the middle class . Racism is a roadblock to finding solutions to the problems of this demise. IMO. Your point of view is understandable. When in our country were you denied the right to spend your hard earned money wherever you wanted? When in our country were you denied the right to vote? When in our country were you relegated to the back of the bus by law? More and more people will be able in the future to say 'never'. Then perspectives and points of view will be more united as Americans and not as Americans of a different color.

In my lifetime, I have been represented justly and well most of the time by Americans who were not my gender or race. For some Americans, this has not been the case - or as your words express, you doubt that someone who has not experienced your situation can represent you. Lincoln was not a slave, but he did ok. Truman didn't serve in an integrated military, but he did ok. Lyndon Johnson was never black in the south, but he did ok. The human is more than his/her gender or skin color. Some Americans seem to have a problem with understanding this.

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If that is the case then it kicks out all your other arguments. I see the Civil War managed to slip in there also. With the diversity you see everywhere be it the color of people's skin or economics I cannot see how anyone could be citing racism

What other arguments? No racism in current practices in the United States? Really? Diversity in business, politics, social activities, has not halted the ugliness of racism. Most of the younger generation has not experienced overt/ lawful racism- and see it as an ugly part of American history. I'll say it again: FC is integrated or segregated based on economics. Where I live in Fayette County is based on my income and my choice. That has not always been my legal right in these United States.

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DM, I knew you could not post one blog without harping back to

slavery and the past. Yes, there was slavery--that is the past. Yes, people were not allowed to live where they chose or to vote, that is in the past. No we should never forget that happened but it should not be used as an excuse for everything. You know, I had things happen to me in the past that would drive me insane if I kept using it as a reason for everything I do or think in the present. Blacks were not the only ones mistreated. Yes, it is a part of black history--but it should not be a crutch. When people continue to use crutches they never heal and I refuse to be one of those people but there are those that love to wallow in it. They are the ones to be pitied.

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No one in my family is on crutches in 2013. It's interesting that you find my relation to past history disturbing. If I knew your relationship to past history, would I be disturbed? I have met families in Fayette County who are proud to share their family history in the early 1800's and before. My family history shapes my perspective and my point of view. Doesn't yours? It's today's action that in my opinion qualifies the city of Fayetteville as a role model for a small town in Georgia. Mytimite , there was an individual in a pervious discussion regarding a wife's experience durinhg the Cuban Crisis. We shared the same perspective because we had a very similar experience. I am not complaining about my experiences with Jin Crow - for I had the support of a strong supportive community; strong parents; outstanding teachers. and a healthy dose of self-confidence. As long as people make generalized statements about my race, my management of my home and family, my desires for my children, I will continue to give the reasons why my perspective may be different from the one who makes generalizations. I am not a black shopping in the Avenues using a food stamp card. I do see 'whites' in PTC using such cards. I don't judge them but pray their situation will improve. Many other residents in the county see the same. We in this country are in a crisis situation and need to pull together as Americans and learn from our different experiences and pull together to solve problems.
I am not suffering from an open wound. The healing in my family happened some time ago. It happened through the love shown by many Americans of different religions and backgrounds. Today's ugliness cannot destroy the truth learned years ago that Americans working together can achieve anything. Don't waste your time pitying me. Thanks for your concern - but it is misdirected.

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Fayette soon to become segregated by race
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FC is integrated or segregated based on economics.

Due to the actions of the black supremecists and segregationists of the NAACP and the actions of a radical judge, Fayette County will soon be segregated by race. That is what the black supremecists/segregationists demanded. Shame on them. They are the preachers of hate and division.

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Fayette is already segregated by race.....

You're complaing out it? You are one of the many people that would be glad to see segregation in Fayette County. Blacks to the North, Whites to the South - each not having to interact with the other - or better yet, go back to a time when there were virtually no Blacks in Fayette County. Based on your comments and others posted on this site, there are a great many who do not like that Fayette County has more Black people now than years ago. The vitriol in your comments regarding the NAACP and the "black supremecists" and "segregationists" provides a window into our own heart. Me thinks you doth protest too much. Me thinks the very things you say about the others doth exist in your own heart.

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justified white indignation

"The vitriol in your comments regarding the NAACP and the "black supremecists" and "segregationists" provides a window into our own heart. Me thinks you doth protest too much. Me thinks the very things you say about the others doth exist in your own heart."

What you really would like is the whites to lay down and give you Fayette county like they gave you DeKalb, Clayton, and S Fulton. Tell me the improvements you have made in those areas when you took over? Some of the areas remind me of the parts of Africa in the movie "Black Halk Down".

We don't owe you anything. You have gone to the head of the line since the 60s and I can't see it has helped you at all. The only difference I see is that you now expect it.

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What you really would like is the whites to lay down and give you Fayette county like they gave you DeKalb, Clayton, and S Fulton. Tell me the improvements you have made in those areas when you took over? Some of the areas remind me of the parts of Africa in the movie "Black Halk Down".

We don't owe you anything. You have gone to the head of the line since the 60s and I can't see it has helped you at all. The only difference I see is that you now expect it.

Who is 'YOU'? If anyone here made generalized statements about 'white' people - like having fear of 'white men in pickup trucks', the reaction would be predictable (I think that happened about 5 or 6 years ago!)

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A lot of the people (myself for one) in Fayette county are the ones that ran from the crime and the schools once you took over. At some point we have to unite and fight. I'm afraid you might have pushed some old Scott Irish Bible belt (turn the other cheek etc)types into a corner. You may very well be quite unhappy with the results!

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District voting, or black supremecy?
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Some residents here have voiced a fear of 'blacks' gaining control.

Specifically, which residents have stated that they fear 'blacks" gaining control? Provide specific examples.

The only people that have shown fear are the black supremecists that feel that they cannot be represented by anyone other than a person of their own race. They have moved the clock back over half a century by demanding that the county be divided up by race.

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There will be one representative from this 'poor' District at the table to represent his/her constituents.

I live in the northern district and am not poor. Yet it is well known that the candidate that the black supremicist seperatists will foist on the county will only represent the black constituency. There will be no one to represent the other races in the county because the NAACP has demanded that someone be elected to represent black people only.

You are a hypocrite of the highest degree DM. Shame on you and the black supremecists that you side with.

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I live in the northern district and am not poor. Yet it is well known that the candidate that the black supremicist seperatists will foist on the county will only represent the black constituency. There will be no one to represent the other races in the county because the NAACP has demanded that someone be elected to represent black people only.

Your concerns may not be the same as the majority of your 'poor' neighbors. Do you know what their concerns may be? Can you share those concerns with the readers of this paper? You appear to have a better understanding of the words in the NAACP petition. Since you are not 'poor', maybe the concerns addressed by the governing boards of FC have met your needs. There are some in North Fayette who may not feel the same way. You have been the cheer leader for calling all blacks racist because of the actions of the NAACP. You are entitled to your point of view. Some have elected to ignore you. Some have elected to support you. I have a feeling that a person of choice from North Fayette will not be Joe Kawfi, I may be wrong. It is my understanding that District voting will not allow the representative from one District to represent the entire county. Who represents the other races in the other Districts? Are the current members of the governing boards representing only the non-poor people of the county? Are they only representing the 'white' people of the county? Interesting. I am not poor either Mr. Kawfi ,but my gender and skin color may be different from yours. There were certain members of the governing bodies that I felt did not respond to my concerns. I worked with those citizens who felt the same, and some of those leaders have been replaced.
That's the American way. The younger generation appears to be looking at issues - not the tradition/practice of looking at skin color. The younger generation will prevail.

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Shame on you again
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You have been the cheer leader for calling all blacks racist because of the actions of the NAACP.

I never stated that. Why do you consistently lie? Why do you hate white people so much?

You state that the younger generation will prevail. How will they pevail when their elders are teaching them that segregation is ok? Your words and the actions of the NAACP have now taken Fayette county back several decades. I say it again - you are a hypocrite of the highest degree.

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All you need is 36 votes to upturn the election, Joe

Run for commission or school board in that district. Just promise you won't close their school or you will get them a park that that won't use. You da man!

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Agreed...

... but alas the race baiters, haters and pimps still derive the majority of their income and power from claiming racism everywhere they think they see it.

They have no incentive to actually accept things have changed for the better. This is why the NAACP has gone from actually promoting racial harmony and growth to now really pushing the clock back to separatist times. Like Unions they have outlived their purpose.

We have changed. Society has changed and unfortunately so has the NAACP just not for the better.

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Separate but equal was a change that was not accepted. Hallelujah! You can work along side of me, but for lower wages was a change that was made, but not accepted . Hallelujah! All Americans can serve in the military with equal status was a change that was accepted with great difficulty . Changed for the better has not always been changed for equal access by all citizens - so we go for good, better, best. Never let it rest until your good is the better and your better is the best!

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"We have changed. Society has changed and unfortunately so has the NAACP just, not for the better"

My father use to think it was a good thing. He would roll over in his grave if he could see the bully it has become.

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Wow!

What will happen if the NAACP wins this one too?

NAACP WINS - KKK LOSES. (The taxpayers of FC lose - makes no difference whether they are white, black, green or purple!!) The issue in court will be - can either side come up with a plan that will give an area with majority minority voters an opportunity to elect someone of their choice to the governing boards of FC. {Or will FC continue to be a 'white only' governed county because of Districtwide voting?} Sad that many feel the NAACP is fighting old KKK ideas. As I have listened to others - and read some of the demographics of some of our northern areas - the reality may be that a District to the north may elect a DEMOCRAT!! SHUDDER, SHUDDER, SHUDDER.

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What will happen, you ask

I agree the NAACP wins this one and their district will be created as drawn. Referring the opponents of this lawsuit as the KKK is both incorrect and childish. The issue is simply representation - we should be allowed to vote for all 5 of our commissioners - not just one. I also think we should be allowed to vote for the chairman as well, but no one else does.

Anyway, back to what will happen. Nothing much until next year when Brown and Company give up their appeal, citing mounting legal costs. Then in 2014 the new districts will be used. Not sure who is up for reelection, but if it isn't someone in the new district, the NAACP will be upset. But eventually someone from the new district gets elected to serve on county commission. Probably be black, could be white, might be Hispanic, won't be Asian. And certainly won't be a Democrat - except a closet one like Brown. Whoever it is will have very little influence on county commission other than his or her one vote. The older commissioners will know that this individual (if black) was an affirmative action candidate and was not elected based upon qualifications but rather skin color. This new commissioner will not be respected and will have a very hard time getting projects in his or her home district approved because of the resentment. It might turn ugly if one or more of the other commissioners loses control of his mouth and spouts racist thoughts. All except Oddo are quite capable of this.

The other commissioners are very likely to form an "us or them" mentality which becomes far more political and acrimonious than what we have now. Think PTC Council on steroids. In other words, things get worse, less gets done - all thanks to a racially-motivated lawsuit by a racist organization.

Then in 4 years the voters of that district are going to decide that their token black was indeed treated poorly, could not represent the district properly - all because of the other commissioner's prejudice, and they will elect someone like Robert Horgan. You call that progress Mom?

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I call your sharing enlightening . If there was no racism to combat, the NAACP would not have much to fight. You mean there are members on our county commission who are capable of using unacceptable racist terms? Really? I have never met Mr. Wilkerson. Interesting story. Thank you all for sharing the 'real' political feelings among some in Fayette County. Blacks in our history, did not institute racism. To assume that a black person elected to the governing body would automatically be unqualified has a tinge of racism to some readers. I feel that anyone willing to serve the public has to remain a target out of range. This requires great skill and commitment. From some of the sharing in this discussion, there are 'white' public servants who may have missed the mark in this area.

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Your logic is twisted up like a pretzel, Mom

No, blacks did not institute racism in our history. True enough. Blacks didn't invent bigotry either, but some blacks are sure practicing it now. This whole lawsuit is to Gurantee a Black Commissioner - NAACP's words - not mine.

And its pretty hard to pretend that a small rural county like Fayette was until recently does not have some good old fashioned rednecks who could be racist and almost certainly are bigoted or prejudiced. My whole point is that a judge's ruling and a new map do not make those feelings go away - instead they leave the rednecks smug in their old belief system and worst of all create disrespect in the minds of those who were previously open-minded or neutral.

I am positive that if things were left alone a black commissioner would have eventually been elected simply because he or she was qualified and ran an intelligent campaign. Now, because the NAACP has upset the apple cart, a black commissioner will be elected from a district and resented by the rednecks (a given) plus resentment will come from those that think we are being manipulated by an activist judge. Some fools like Barlow will resent losing their seat and that is unimportant. Resentment will also come from those that think affirmative action is wrong and demeaning (I'm in this group) and more resentment will come from those that think our right to vote has been suppressed. Maybe that's the point - let whitey see what its like to have his vote not count. Sounds like something the NAACP folks might discuss privately.

Regardless, we are being forced into something for the wrong reasons by the wrong group at the wrong time. To expect a new map and a new district to make everybody sit back and smile and accept the new way of doing things is incredibly naive. There will be bad feelings - some justified, some not. There will be bad decisions made, the pendulum will swing the other way as it always does and the law of unintended consequences will prevail once again.

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This whole lawsuit is to Gurantee a Black Commissioner - NAACP's words - not mine.

How will one 'black' / 'non-white' leader in a governing board ruin Fayette County?

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My whole point is that a judge's ruling and a new map do not make those feelings go away - instead they leave the rednecks smug in their old belief system and worst of all create disrespect in the minds of those who were previously open-minded or neutral.

I think you underestimate the open-minded citizens who now live in FC. Not all 'rednecks' are bigoted - but there are a few crackers jumping out of the box with their antiquated fears - and some in the black community who are saying, "See, I told you - they'll never change". If an appeal is filed using taxpayer money, regardless of the color of the taxpayer, we'll see what the courts decide. In the meantime, progress continues - a movie studio is coming to FC; a college will soon be available to our kids interested in the arts - right here at home! These racist feelings and opinions were here long before Davids Mom arrived in FC. As some religious leaders have voiced, we all have a lot of work to do to practice our religious belief of ' Do unto others. .

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I am positive that if things were left alone a black commissioner would have eventually been elected simply because he or she was qualified and ran an intelligent campaign

History shows us if things were left alone, we would probably still have segregation in the south.

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and more resentment will come from those that think our right to vote has been suppressed.

Oh believe me, there are minority Americans and women who know exactly how suppression of the vote feels!

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There will be bad decisions made, the pendulum will swing the other way as it always does and the law of unintended consequences will prevail once again.

What consequences have you so fearful? The pendulum has swung; minorities can vote, work, dine, associate with whomever they please as citizens of the US. And other than being unlawful in their actions, there is nothing that your fear can do to change that. Sorry you're uncomfortable, but I know too many Americans who will go on living their lives in peace no matter if a black/ purple/ or blue person is elected from a District in Fayette County.

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I am not fearful, uncomfortable or worried - I'm disgusted.

I am disgusted by people who socially engineer things for no reason other than they can impose their will or belief system on other people. Whether it is the courts, government, the media, political parties, whatever - I am sick of it. I would like everybody to just shut up and go away and let those of us alone - those that are capable of providing for our families and being productive in society. Just leave us alone. We don't want to be dragged down into some politically correct nightmare commune or collective farm (remember that?).

For the last time, this district voting thing is not about race and I could care less about skin color. My comments concern the unintended consequences of predictable knee-jerk reactions from some in the community who are biased one way or the other and those that react negatively and perhaps become biased - for all the wrong reasons.

Put very simply, when Fayette County gives up or loses its appeal and is forced into district voting, there will be dancing in the streets - at least in that district and some will think a great battle has been won. Wrong! There is no battle, no war, just business as usual with people acting like people in a political environment that brings out the worst qualities we have - hate, fear, jealousy and the rest of the seven deadly sins. Wait until the newly-districted school board decides which schools have to be closed. Anybody think that's gonna be pretty?

I don't advocate any of that at all, I am simply predicting it.

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i am disgusted by people who socially engineer things for no reason other than they can impose their will or belief system on other people

Me too! That's why I was active in the Civil Rights movement.

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I would like everybody to just shut up and go away and let those of us alone - those that are capable of providing for our families and being productive in society. Just leave us alone

Sorry, not going to happen. Not as long as one harbor s those antiquated fears of those who are 'different'. You claim not to be biased, great. I think your predictions are wrong. Live your life according to your conviction , but in this country - segregation and openly/ public discrimination is out for whoever is promoting it. The courts will decide, and the citizens of FC, IMO, are above the ignorance of racism.

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Spot on... It really is about the local Democratics.

I believe that this correctly identifies the underlying issue, and certainly the frustration I have felt over the whole lawsuit. As early as the 2006 election, the local chapter of the NAACP made it clear that their position was not simply to support the election of any African-American to the Fayette County Commission, but the election of one who "shared their political views". Which meant that the African American candidate who actually garnered almost 30% of the total countywide vote (Emory Wilkerson) did so without their endorsement since he was a Republican. If I recall correctly (and I may not as it has been nearly seven years now), the NAACP actually endorsed Charles Rousseau (D), who received less than 7% of the total vote countywide.

Once the NAACP made it clear that their primary concern was electing a Democrat, it became pretty apparent that they were just fronting for the state and local party apparatus, and using racial politics as the crutch.

And who can blame them. Without the prospect of believing that every non-African American voter in Fayette County was a closet racist in March 2006, the local Democratic Party establishment might actually have to seriously question why their local political platform and brand garnered only 15% of the votes cast.

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R. Butler re Wilkerson

I do believe Wilkerson is a "switch-hitter", willing to hang whichever letter behind his name that he thinks has the best chance of winning at that time.

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R. Butler

Many blacks in Fayette County are business people. Most business people tend to be conservative. Most conservatives are members of the Republican Party. Are you saying there are no 'blacks' in the Republican Party? Hmmmm Really? The 'blacks' in Fayette County should be represented in both parties .

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DM- an excellent strawman, and totally unresponsive...

DM- My apologies for the tardy response. I was out of the loop for a few days on family business.

My comments had nothing to do with the prospect that there are/were no conservative blacks, nor did I even remotely imply that there are/were no blacks in the Republican Party. So I take it the purpose of your strawman argument in this case was to avoid addressing what my actual assertion was--that the NAACP was not interested in supporting the black Republican candidates who stood the best chance of winning in 2006; they instead elected to support a black Democratic Party candidate who failed to garner even 8% of the vote countywide.

In short, in the 2006 Fayette elections, the NAACP put their mouth where their money was. And that was with the local Democratic Party establishment.

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R. Butler

Thanks for the response

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a weak or sham argument set up to be easily refuted

You are entitled to your opinion.

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that the NAACP was not interested in supporting the black Republican candidates who stood the best chance of winning in 2006; they instead elected to support a black Democratic Party candidate who failed to garner even 8% of the vote countywide.

Some NAACP members have shared that the African American community did not support Mr. Wilkerson because they felt there was a better qualified candidate to represent their issues. (And their issues in Fayette County were not always race-related)

I was active in the Democrat Party in 2006 and was not aware of the NAACP 'Influence'. The Democrat Party as is The Republican Party are both integrated in Fayette County. True, many northerners and African Americans are more comfortable at this time with the Democrat Party.

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