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In calling for a spiritual revival in America at his Lincoln Memorial rally Aug. 28, talk show host Glenn Beck reached back into history and touched on a familiar theme.

What would a genuine revival look like and how did those that have transformed America several times in the past get started? Earlier revivals were not created from the mobilization of large crowds. They occurred when people did something infrequently observed in modern times: humbled themselves.

Depending on how you count them there have been at least three “great awakenings” in American history. All of them — along with revivals in other countries — had one thing in common. They all began with what the late revival historian J. Edwin Orr called “a concert of prayer.”

The 1857 revival is instructive. It began when two men working on Wall Street decided to meet once a week on their lunch hour to pray for revival. They soon decided to meet daily. They did not issue a press release. Other men soon joined them. The group grew so large they started meeting at night in churches and invited their wives to participate.

Revival came like a brush fire, exploding not only in New York City, but also up the Mohawk River and down the Hudson, into Appalachia. According to Revival-Library.org, from February to June 1858, “around 50,000 people a week were added to the church — in a nation whose population was only 30,000,000. Across the Atlantic another million were won to Christ by 1865. ... Ulster saw 100,000 converted, Scotland 30,000, Wales 100,000 and England 500,000.”

Besides prayer, another characteristic of the 1857 revival and all other revivals was genuine repentance and a confession of personal guilt before a holy God. Anyone familiar with the Old and New Testaments knows that humbling one’s self before God gets His attention faster than any earthly pursuit or agenda.

Modern evangelicals, so preoccupied with who is in the White House or which party controls Congress, might benefit from studying the results of the revivals. As Orr tells it, not only did the 1857 revival have a profound social impact on America, it also dramatically affected every society it reached. Following the revival of 1905, crime virtually disappeared in London. The police had little to do, so they formed quartets and sang at the revival meetings.

A Chicago shoe salesman named Dwight L. Moody wanted to teach Sunday school at a local church, but was told by its superintendent that the church already had 16 teachers too many. The superintendent instructed Moody to “get some boys off the street” and “take them to the country. ... They will be your class.” That was the beginning of a ministry and missionary work that lasted 40 years.

Revivals don’t ratify the earthly aspirations of humanity, including selfish political agendas. They are about glorifying God. Too many modern Christians have it backward. In a real revival the Lincoln Memorial event would have been a result, not an attempt to cause a revival. People would have assembled who had already repented in private. They would not have bemoaned a decline in American “morality,” but instead have fallen on their knees (or faces) and cried out in genuine repentance and humility.

On his blog (www.russellmoore.com/2010/08/29/god-the-gospel-and-glenn-beck/), Dr. Russell Moore, dean of the School of Theology at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., writes: “Too often, and for too long, American ‘Christianity’ has been a political agenda in search of a gospel useful enough to accommodate it. There is a liberation theology of the Left, and there is also a liberation theology of the Right, and both are at the heart mammon worship ...”

What passes for American Christianity today is increasingly counterfeit. It appears more focused on a transient earthly kingdom, rather than a heavenly eternal kingdom. That is idolatry and violates the First Commandment: “Thou shall have no other gods before me.”

When Christians obey that Commandment, and humble themselves, only then might revival follow.

[Cal Thomas is America’s most widely syndicated op-ed columnist, appearing in more than 600 national newspapers. He is the author of more than 10 books and is a FOX News political contributor since 1997. Email Cal Thomas at tmseditors@tribune.com.] ©2010 TRIBUNE MEDIA SERVICES, INC.

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Glenn Beck's call for "revival"

"In calling for a spiritual revival in America at his Lincoln Memorial rally Aug. 28, talk show host Glenn Beck reached back into history and touched on a familiar theme."

It seems rather appropriate that Glenn Beck is seen as the spiritual leader for the right-wing fringe element, as he rallies the evangelicals to go-forth and spread his gospel of absurdity. Beck's own Mormon beliefs fit nicely with the old-fashioned "tent revival" theme of yesteryear, complete with snake handling and speaking in tongues.

Beck's Mormon Belief System:

1) Mormons can become gods and goddesses.

2) Goddesses will spend eternity in full submission to their god-husband.

3) Mormon women will give birth "forever and ever" to spirit-babies.

4) Mormon men can have multiple wives in heaven-eternal polygamy.

5) Heavenly Father is an exalted man who lives with his goddess wife, Heavenly Mother,on a planet near the great star Kolob.

6) American Indians are descendants of the wicked Lamanites, who were Israelites that God cursed with dark skin.

7) God the Father had sex with Mary to conceive Jesus, who is the half brother of Lucifer.

8) Mormons have secret handshakes.

9) The *resurrected* Jesus, visited North America.

10) Joseph Smith revealed that the actual Garden of Eden is in Jackson County, Missouri.

11) Husband and wife are married for all eternity, meaning, if one spouse dies, the living spouse cannot re-marry.

(Harry Reid believes this absurdity as well)

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Main: You left out a few

Mormons also believe......

12) Before you are born, you some how pick out the parents you will be born to

13) It is common practice in Mormon churches for you to have to bring in your 1040 tax return and meet with the pastor/prophet/shaman to ensure you are giving all you can

Your Point #1 is dead-on. If you live your life "right," you get to become God in the afterlife. Not "a god," but on the same plane as THE God. Wow.

All that said, I still like Mitt Romney and most Mormons anyway, even if they do believe some crazy crap like this.

Now, in accordance with proposed Fair Access regulations, let's look at what is going on with da Muslims:

1) Cartoons INCITE VIOLENCE by Muslims!
2) Burning the Koran INCITES VIOLENCE by Muslims!
3) Potentially moving the Ground Zero mosque INCITES VIOLENCE by Muslims!
4) Too many other things to list....it would be easier to list what does NOT incite violence than it would what does

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NUK...Glenn Beck is nutz

I know lots of Mormons too, and they're fairly nice folks, except for my childhood friend who was Mormon who told me I wasn't ever going to HER level of heaven... whatever.

However, it's the nutjobs like Glenn Beck and other crazed evangelicals, who wear their religion on their sleeves, that infuriate and disturb me the most. People are free to believe in whatever superstitions they hold dear, however, they shouldn't try to build public policies, or empires, based on these ancient myths.

I saw a quote the other day, I think you will appreciate: "Religion is like a penis. It’s fine to have one, it’s fine to be proud of it. But please don’t whip it out in public and start waving it around."

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Gore, Clinton and Obama

Al Gore, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama go to heaven...

God addresses Al first. ''Al, what do you believe in?''

Al replies: "Well, I believe that I won that election, but that it was your will that I did not serve.. And I've come to understand that now.''

God thinks for a second and says: "Very good. Come and sit at my left.''

God then addresses Bill. "Bill, what do you believe in?''

Bill replies: "I believe in forgiveness. I've sinned, but I've never held a grudge against my fellow man, and I hope no grudges are held against me.''

God thinks for a second and says: "You are forgiven, my son. Come and sit at my right.''

Then God addresses Barack. "Barack, what do you believe in?''

OBAMA replies: "I believe you're in my chair."

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Main: LOL

That's hilarious:)

I don't really pay much attention to Beck though I did notice he had a pretty thoughtful(!) response recently to the Ground Zero mosque that surprised me. That, and he was at the forefront of deciding that Repubs were just as wrong as Dems or anyone else and it wasn't just one party screwing up everything. Whether he decided that because he reflected and thought long and hard about it(doubtful) or if decided "hey, there is serious money to be made from THIS position a la Neil Boortz"(very likely) I do not know.

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Main!

LOL!! :-)

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Religious bigots

like we see here in Mainstreams comments is what the Progressive left in our society propagates.

Mormons are all bad but Islam is good. Tell me mainstream what tenants of Islam do you agree with?

Beck was not preaching the Mormon religion. Only religious bigots like you would dismiss the fact the Glenn had EVERY faith represented with no one Religion over the other and it was about Restoring America's HONOR. What part of restoring honor exactly are you against?

Every Religion has old ideas or ideas no longer held. Look at the Old Testament vs. the New Testament in the Christian Religion. No greater example need to be made. As in Islam it calls for the Subjugation, Taxation or death of all non-believers, but we hear daily from the left about how peaceful Islam is.

So which is it? Are all religions therefore equal or are you what I believe you to be a Religious BIGOT?

btw- #8 really scares me. Ever been to a R&B festival. I think there are at least 20 different ones there.

Maybe actual information instead of internet voodoo will help.

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/2001/06/What-Latter-Day-Saints-Mormons-B...

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Glenn Beck - new spiritual leader...

..of the religious right.

Observer, Hutch is right. I don't prefer one religion over another. I believe they are all nonsensical and absurd.

Many of us non-believers are sitting back and watching this disturbing religious show unfold. And what you "believers" are doing in the process, by burning Quran's, building Mosques, stoning women, raping children, denying birth control, safe abortions, and marriage between consenting adults, is destroying humanity.

I do find it very funny that you all have chosen Glenn Beck as a pseudo-spiritual leader. The religious-right doesn't know quite what to do with this guy now that you all, and Fox, have provided him with a platform to spew his nonsense. Just the other day, he was talking about the "Bat Creek Stone" on his Fox show.... (Google it) it's some weird stone that reinforces the Mormon belief that the Indians were actually Hebrews (hahahahaha). The evangelical's are mad now that he is peddling his
Mormonism on his show. Y'all made your bed....now sleep in it.

(on Beck) "He has swerved into theological and doctrinal realm in the last few weeks. He’s said things on the air that makes my skin crawl. . . a ‘works based’ theology that is based in Mormonism. . . . We are not serving the god of Mormonism that says you can be like God… a religion that said Jesus and Satan were brothers. . ."

Christian-Right Responds to Beck Pushing His Mormonism:
http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/julieingersoll/3182/evangel...

For a simpler explanation of Mormonism, you can watch this cool video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ervaWt03Z3w&feature=related

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mainstream read your link now read the response

Here is a response to your linked article.

"Julie,

The Bat Creek Stone is far from being discredited. J. Huston McCulloch points out many flaws with the "refutation" you cite and provides evidences for its authenticity that these critics ignored. But even if the stone is authentic, it has nothing to do with the Book of Mormon, except to show that pre-Columbina voyages to the Americas were possible. (The stone, which dates from the early Christian era, would show that Judean refuges from Roman depradations sailed to the Americas some six centuries after Lehi's group.)

http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/batcrk.html

Your portray of virulent anti-Mormon Ed Decker is too kind. Far from emphasizing "the ways in which Mormonism departs from orthodox Christianity," he "loveth and maketh a lie" about Mormonism (Rev. 22:15). His notorious film "The Godmakers" amounts to religioius pornography. The National Conference of Christians and Jews denounced it thus:

"The film does not fairly portray the Mormon Church, Mormon history, or Mormon belief. It makes extensive use of half-truths, faulty generalizations, sensationalism, and is not reflective of the true spirit of Mormon faith. We find particularly offensive the emphasis that Mormonism is some sort of subversive plot — a danger to the community, a threat to the institution of marriage, and destructive to the mental health of teenagers. We are of the opinion that the film relies heavily on appeals to fear, prejudice and unworthy human emotions."
http://tinyurl.com/NCCJ-on-godmakers

For a respectful and intelligent conversation between Evangelicals and Mormons, I recommend Blomberg & Robinson, "How Wide the Divde?: A Mormon & an Evangelical in Conversation."

I am no fan of Glen Beck, and I have little sympathy for the "tea party" movement, but when Mormons are attacked by the likes of Ed Decker, we tend to circle the wagons.

Tracy Hall Jr"

Your use of a blog/opinion article as a inside view into the Mormon Religion is another example of your flawed reasoning.

oh btw- A CARTOON really? I guess that makes sense. The intelligence level of the typical progressive is about 5th grade so I guess actually reading is a little beyond you.

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In all fairness here, you'll have to point out where Main even mentioned Islam. That is if that's possible. I doubt if you look back over the years that you'll see Main endorse any religion, of course I've been wrong before, but you'll have to work pretty damn hard to prove me that way this time.

BTW Main, any man marries more then one woman at a time deserves what he gets, just sayin'

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hutch: burning quarans

According to Terry Jones, pastor to a flock of 30 in middle Florida, God has spoken and he has taken the sign from Him not to burn the books! That is after Secretary Gates called and and asked him if his things were in order!

I do hope that a monument will be built at that church where God spoke and left signs! It may not ever get dark there again. What was the name of that young woman who found the fountain of healing water (Lourdes)(also Madonna's kid) and she was made a Saint.

Saint Terry of Orlando doesn't sound too shabby! Stuff like that keeps people on their knees. But "Pentecostal!?

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It seems this morning that Terry mistook God's signs.
He lied and said he had an agreement with an Imam, but he didn't realize that there is a hierarchy to Imams. He may have to burn yet in spite of God's will.

Did anyone know that Terry was run out Of Germany for destroying the good will of his church there? He went too far in all things there also!
What on earth was he doing there?
I suggest he put in for the next Imam opening.

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Observer: Main

hutch is right.

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Wow stand up for someone

and get slapped down by the non-religious left.

I never said mainstream brought up Islam it was a comparison. You folks do know what that is right?

But never mind Faith, Hope and Charity is far beyond anyones idea of Honor anymore.

I for one am glad to be in the majority on this one. You guys can stay right where you are.

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and get slapped down by the non-religious left.

Me, non-religious and left?

Not hardly. A few years back, I made a comment to Main about her beliefs (rather crudely I might add) and then thought about what I said. I concluded that I was wrong and I publicly apologized to Main. I did invite her to my church home and she likewise invited me to her house of worship.

We all spar back and forth based on our political beliefs. Myself, I'm a bit right of "center". So I'm not leftest nor non-religious.

I try to respect all views but don't mind diving into the fray. Sometimes I even get humbled and have to eat "that" pie. (I think Davids mom knows what I speak).

Anyways, stop by for coffee this Saturday morning.

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Sorry no can do Cyclist

unless the coffee is in Alabama. But Thanks for the offer.

Sorry if I generalized. I get a little uptight when agnostics, Atheist or Progressives attack Religion. Mainstream attacked the Mormon religion, being an old Southern Baptist myself I supposed that kind of bigotry is understood. That is until some of my best friends converted and I saw such an unbelievable change in them. A couple was close to being alcoholics and had cheated on their wives several times. Another one was a depressed guy and I would not have been surprised to wake up one day and hear he had committed suicide.

The Church changed all that. They found God and became new men. Now they have a fantastic family life and all of them are leaders in the community here.

I have been to their Church several times as they and other fellow Christians yes Mormons have been to mine.

In fact Christmas we are planning a joint gathering of our Congregations to feed the Homeless.

So the big bad boogie man Mainstream and Nuk try's to paint them out to be is well simply ridiculous.

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Observer: Yeah, u did.......

...now own up to it or are you taking lessons from Obama/Dems and blaming it on someone else? :)

"Mormons are all bad but Islam is good. Tell me mainstream what tenants of Islam do you agree with?"

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Well Nuk since you participated in the Mormon bashing

I don't feel like I owe you a thing. I simply will lump you in with the other Religious Bigot on here.

btw-I will still say where did I say MS said Islam. I guess my inept attempt at comparing the left's propensity to allow Islam to gain control of America and all things Islam is good then I felt yours and Mainstreams obvious disdain of Mormons was an apt comparison. What is the difference? Do you also dislike Catholics, Baptist, or any other Religion or just Mormons in General. Talk about Tolerance. It is seriously lacking here.

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Sorry S.Lindsey..I mean Observofu

I voted for Romney in the Repub primary(as stated here over and over)so save your ignorance for someone else.

For the record, yes, I don't really like any organized religious group, no matter what their faith happens to be or interpretation. So what? Am I going to HAIL fer dat?

You don't think the Tea Party suddenly sprung up because people all want MORE RELIGION all of a sudden? They were already getting that from the Repubs and some "conservatives" decided that wasn't the route to go and I congratulate them for trying to separate conservatism from "social conservatism," which is totally different.

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ahh a redirection

yes Nuk you got me I am S. Lindsey dang it. I would have gotten away if it weren't for you bratty kids.

Nuk or is it Courthouse or Mainstream? See I can do circular logic as well.

As for you going to Hell. I don't know. That's not for me to say. However I think you completely miss one of the main elements of the Teaparty just so happens to be faith. America just so happens to be mostly a Judeo-Christian Country.
You may not like it, but there it is any way.

Now I happen to belong to an old Southern Baptist Church and have been for close to 60 years. Does your disdain for Religion bother me? Well no not in the least.

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Well, Nuk

To answer your theological question, I feel about it in this way--if you choose to live your life distinctly separate from God, then you get your wish and you get to spend eternity apart from God. It is truly our choice, free will so to speak.
We really are too far down the road to pull back peacefully. We have created a very strong central government that can regulate any aspect of our lives, including what we ingest. We do not have the will to go back to the true federalist concept that kept relative freedom for most for about 150 years.

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This is what you said...." Religious bigots

like we see here in Mainstreams comments is what the Progressive left in our society propagates.

Mormons are all bad but Islam is good. Tell me mainstream what tenants of Islam do you agree with?"

Looks like a statement to me, not a comparison. Also, I seriously doubt anyone on here other then Fred Garvin would call me a leftist (actually he called me several names but declined to do it it in person), non-religious, yes I can live with that. I doubt anyone can call Cy either one.

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hutch see my reply to cyclist

sorry for the generalization. I am so used to having Liberals attack me for my Religion I guess I get a little blinded. I have some great friends that are Mormons and I have no fear of the Religion. Just like I have no fear of Islam as long as they adopt the belief it is ok to NOT kill me and on that note it was a comparison poorly worded maybe but since intent is the only thing that counts now in this political climate that at least was mine.

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Cal Thomas: humble

I am not sure what you mean by "humble yourself!" I know you mean to God, or Christ, or both, but are you also saying that a group such as the one in Washington recently who called for a "revival," were not sufficiently humbled for God, or Jesus to hear them?

As a kid I visited several evangelical, holiness, and other such churches, who had "revivals" every few months---one was going on every few miles all of the time. They were actually scary to kids, as they were intended to be! I also remember the same old dudes getting re-saved every revival. I saw no humbleness from the members who hounded these old dudes, if they joined, for constant repentance that they always left. Ignorance had a lot to do with all that---some were really ignorant!

I'll be honest, we went there to meet girls since their parents thought surely they would be safe at church since they weren't allowed to do anything else! It was a long walk home after church. If we had a vehicle we could cover two or three revivals! Frankly, we mostly saw them as social events as they are now.

So, I ask again, what is humbling oneself in reality in everyday life----surely not just what comes out of one's mouth that others want to hear?

The definition to suit billions doesn't yet exist!

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