Does an ‘October surprise’ await us?

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For more than 30 years, political pundits have raised red flags about an “October surprise,” an unexpected announcement or event that blind-sides a political opponent or party just before the November election.

Google “October surprise” for a quick course in previous suspiciously timed disclosures or actions that seem to be aimed at maximum effect on the electorate. Note that both Democrats and Republicans have been accused of dropping October surprises onto the public plate.

With the midterm elections poised to provide an anticipated smack-down of Democrats, here’s my suggestion of a scenario that really could turn the tables in the election — and unleash a wave of unanticipated counter-events following the election.

Suppose — just for a hypothetical exercise — that sometime in the fall, maybe October and more likely late October — but before Tuesday, Nov. 2 — President Barack Obama, in close coordination with the nation of Israel, unleashes a military attack on known nuclear sites within the nation of Iran.

Hold for a moment all knee-jerk reactions about the wisdom or rightness or effectiveness of such an attack. Just concentrate on the likely effect of such a thunderbolt out of the blue on an electorate angry at Obama and the Democrats.

Remember the rallying around the flag following 9-11? Remember Democrats and Republicans standing together in support of then-President Bush as commander-in-chief of a nation suddenly and unexpectedly at war?

What would you expect to happen following an early morning news bulletin that joint American and Israeli forces had launched air and sea (and maybe ground) attacks against the rogue Iranian government to destroy Iran’s capability of producing nuclear weapons?

And how would you vote a few days later when you faced the ballot choice of Democrat or Republican? At a time of war, would you vote against the President’s party?

Just hypothetical questions at this point, and maybe unworthy of your time or of serious consideration.

But here’s something that is not hypothetical: Iran is racing to build a nuclear weapon and then several nuclear weapons. Absent such a military attack, Iran will become the 800-pound gorilla in the Middle East. Iran will have to be treated with the deference and kid gloves that we now treat nutty North Korea.

With just the threat of unleashing the Iranian nuclear capability, think how much overt military bullying and damage Iran will be able to inflict on the region, short of outright nuclear exchanges. They will be able to bully many into submission, and those who won’t submit to their diplomatic bullying may well be subjected to their military bullying, including massive terror attacks and explicit invasion.

Unlike the first President Bush with Desert Storm following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, we and the world will be unable to mount a conventional non-nuclear military response to Iranian aggression. We will be impotent against any Iranian action. And short of a nuclear exchange between one tiny country and one much geographically larger country, so will Israel.

That’s no hypothetical scenario. That’s coming.

Maybe not by the November election, but soon. And then what will we do?

And let’s don’t even speculate about what nutty, nuclear thing North Korea might initiate.

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This Said It All!

At the end of a bitter political season too often hijacked by the extremes, the Rally to Restore Sanity was a heartening reaffirmation of American humor, smarts and civility.

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Quite fitting

The "rally" was quite fitting, being that the current administration is nothing but a joke.

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ha ha

A joke that got a majority of the vote. When 2012 comes you can try, try again and, who knows, maybe you'll be the one laughing and your Democrat friends will be the ones screaming and protesting like maniacs....or considering the polls, the screaming might start today.

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October Surprise

The October surprise was the 215,000 people who showed up for the Rally to Restore Sanity And/Or Fear yesterday, compared to the relatively paltry 87,000 people who showed up for Glenn Beck's Kristallnacht 2010 Reichsparteitag last month.

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Delusional

Bacon you must have been inhaling something. 87,000 for Becks rally?? Really?
Do you want to compare photos? Talking points straight from the Nothington post.

Shows you just how your sources of information are bs.

Funny how they did not do shots of the crowd from the Monument like everyone else does to show crowd size.

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87,000 vs. 200,000+

CBS hired independent professionals to estimate the size of Glenn Beck's Whitestock. Their estimate was 87,000 plus or minus 9,000 people, which is significantly less than the Colbert/Stewart rally crowd estimate.

Extremists like you refuse to accept facts that are contrary to what you want to believe, so naturally you dismiss their findings.

And speaking of "delusional", are you going to lie and claim that the New York Times called this rally an "anti-Honor rally" just like you did last time?

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Rallys or whatever they want to call them

let's face it, no matter who sponsors them, they're just 'feel good' things and don't translate into votes in the booth. And we all get just one vote, no matter whether we attend on of these things or not.

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Yeah we all heard the bs bacon

Pictures however tell the tale.

Too bad so sad.

btw-I can't hold a candle to you there fatback. You are one of a kind. I can only offer thought out opinions. You, however, can take that and twist it to mean whatever your warped brain can conjure up.

Keep believing America is a Socialist Country. Tomorrow will be a wakeup call for ya. Your Socialist view for America ends.

I will show you mine........

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=glenn+beck+rally+atttendance&qpvt=gl...

Care to show me yours or will you just man up and admit you are wrong?

Nah never happen one has to have a since of HONOR to admit when one is wrong and you have none.

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Speaking of pictures, NotLindsey...

HERE is a good picture for you regarding the relative size of the Colbert/Stewart rally vs. the Beck Hatefest.

Tomorrow may be a "wakeup call" but I suspect come Wednesday morning, America will by and large be the same: roughly a 50-50 mix between Democrats and Republicans.

That won't stop serial liars such as yourself from putting words into the mouths of the folks at the New York Times. I'm predicting that spineless men without honor such as yourself will be calling it a landslide if the Republicans recapture the House of Representatives, irrespective of historical trends.

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The U.S. Park Service

The U.S. Park Service used to give great numbers on those events until the racist motivated low-balling from the Million Moron, err, Man March forced them to stop estimating crowds.

But hey - come on - we all know Crispy is right.

When his Comedy Central masses finish voting Tuesday all of you nay sayers will be put to rest. Right Bacon? Besides.... "Might Makes Right" and "majority rules"!! Right?? Anyone?? Right?? Majority Rule?? Hello??

Anyway, just as Uncle Joe and Aunt Nancy have said- the Dems will make huge gains and keep the house and the senate and sweep the Governor races tomorrow! Liberalism is alive and thriving! America loves "Our Beloved Leader"!

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Oh a made up drawing, well that tears it

I guess those lying pictures where faked. Darn it well you certainly offered up proof.

I yield to your vast argument.

Nice try, tee it up again you shanked that one. Want a mulligan?

btw- here is more of my proof.

http://www.therightscoop.com/photos-glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally

Come on prove me a liar it should be so easy for you. Just show some of the actual attendance shots of the Stewart rally. Gives us the visual reference not some made up chart.

Addendum-Here I will help you out

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Rally-Restore-Sanity/ss/events/pl/103010re...

A side by side comparison clearly shows the area in front of Stewart's stage is vacant. Becks was filled to capacity.

The area about half way from the stage is empty at Stewart's rally. Becks is filled all the way out to the War Memorial and beyond.

The areas to the right and left of Stewart's rally are only partially filled. Becks is filled again to capacity.

So using CBS's method of estimating if Stewart had 215,000 Beck clearly had a Million.

Here is your drawing done correctly...
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/10/beck-crowd-versus-stewart-c...

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CPB - who cares?

What difference does it make, only thing that will count is tomorrow. Of course there will be corruption of the vote by both sides tomorrow but more so by the losing party.

Looking forward to seeing the results on Tuesday night, aren't you Crisp?

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Petey C., you're right....nobody really cares

Petey, you've hit the nail on the head....nobody really cares. Nobody, it seems, but your buddy NotLindsey.

By now (Monday evening), virtually everyone on both the Left and Right have conceded the point that the Colbert/Stewart rally had far, far greater attendance than Herr Beck's Whitefest. The Right seems to have uniformly adopted the hive posture "Yeah, Stewart had more people, so what?"

So what, indeed!!

Nevertheless, bitter enders such as your chum NotLindsey are hardwired to never ever concede a point, no matter how minor and/or ridiculous it makes them look.

I'm quite enjoying yanking your boy's chain. He's had to dig very deep into the conservative blogosphere today to find quote facts unquote to support his discredited opinion.

But to answer your question, nobody really cares, and ultimately it makes no difference in the long run that Stewart's rally was much larger.

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Well since you brought it up

Obviously you had a point and you cared.

Just because you can't back up your claims is no cause to go all weepy.

Care to share some of those views from the "right" or do you just make claims as fact without evidence.

Some would call that a lie.

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Independent Expertise

I've already quoted you the crowd estimates for both the Beck rally (87,000) and the Stewart rally (215,000). These estimates were courtesy of AirPhotosLive.com, experts who do this for a living. They've done work in the past for the Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security as well. AirPhotos was working under contract for CBS for both rallies.

If you have crowd estimates that differ from the above, I'd appreciate you sharing those with us, along with the methodology used to determine those estimates and the expertise of those coming up with those estimates.

Once you've done that, we can enjoy a frank man-to-man exchange over who has the more credible experts.

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Oh how absolutely LAME

You brought the ball to the game and now you are crying and going home. How utterly typical.

Anyone with a shred of intelligence can look at a picture and know what BS is. After all this time you are still hung up on numbers.

One guy brings in over 300,000 people at their own expense mind you. A group of Hollywood celebrities and Media outlets PAY for people to show up and gets about the same number and you want to argue numbers.

Let's see a group of Americans pay their own way to DC to listen to one guy.

Another group is bribed with free bus fare and free concerts..

Which group do you think is voting today?

The regular everyday Americas or the groups in banana suits and full body condoms?

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PTC bacon has to care

he/she has no choice. People like that are so wrapped up in their ideology and self importance that they have to be right always. They can never admit they might be on the wrong side of history.

If they believed that ONE guy can bring more people together then the Progressive Democrat Communist rally and Stewart's rally COMBINED then their world has just shrunk to unacceptable levels.

You know I pity bacon a little bit. He/She is probably an old used up has been radical that still longs for the days of the Weather underground. I mean look how hard they defend Iran and the Terrorist there.

Nothing more sad then a used communist.

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Observerofu on CPB

Simply theater, nothing more than self-interest in building the Stewart brand.

I don't put much stock in it either way.

As far as CPB is concerned he is one of millions, unfortunately.

Delusional herd mentality at best, corrupt at worst.

After all he's a unionist.

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PTC bacon is one of a kind

what kind is the question. I have been arguing with Idiots for years, at some point, you have to quit banging your head against the wall and just walk away.

I don't know if Bacon is a "Unionist" but I do know from his own postings he is a Terrorist sympathizer and a Communist/Socialist supporter.

Bacon and his/her kindred walked arm and arm together with Communist and Marxist radicals many of which have websites that advocate the overthrow of America. He/she apparently is a true progressive.

Like I said he/she is irrelevant and not much better than CHR. His/her sources like Huffington and Media Matters says all it need to.

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Yea.... there were a lot more sane and civil white people ...

...at the Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear than the few losers that attended the Beck nut-job racist whites anti-American Nazi rally. I liked the signs a WHOLE lot more....didn't you too Bacon?

I bet the Dems and Libs will show those right wingers their huge numbers Tuesday when they flex that organizational prowess and re-elect those lovable liberals to the house! Right Bacon?

Yea, you dems will slam the door in the face of the smaller government, Christian, Nazi, racists on Tuesday, November 2nd when you sweep the nation in those house and senate races ... don't you think so Bacon?

We will prove to you loser "tea baggers" once and for all that this astro-turf, tiny little group of extremists doesn't represent the will of the people!!! Right Mr. Bacon?? Right?

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Kristallnacht and Reichsparteitag

Bacon, you better be careful as you might get smacked by the all mighty himself. ☺

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Boo!

Happy Halloween!

It's almost November and we can now talk about that November surprise.

Our biggest single problem will be the lame duck Congress. Get ready for packback.

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The Messiah will deliver us.
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begging

Hey Johnny that guy on his knees was begging barack to resign, that would be a good idea,

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Begging it was....

He was "Hoping" for some "Change".

Drudge captioned it "Brother can you spare a dime?"

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20101031/i/r1433985915.jpg?x=400&y=281&q=85&s...

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OK, that IS hilarious

"He was "Hoping" for some "Change".

There may be hope for you yet.

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I wonder if mama Obama...

is aware that he's eating breakfast at a deli?

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Kawfi - Carter/Reagan Surprise

If you had read the entire article, you would have seen this. Reading skills??

Two separate congressional investigations looked into the charges, both concluding that there was no plan to seek to delay the hostages' release.[3] At least three books have argued the case

Are you saying that this was 'untrue' just because I posted it. You are a piece of work - really entertaining!!

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DM

No, DM - I'm saying that you are full of crap. You always have been, and always will be.

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Kawfi

Your words and 'contributions' prove what you are full of. There is not an iota of civility in anything you have to say. You have no credibility - but you are entertaining. . .like a throw back to the '50's. Please don't stop. . .we need to know that there is still work to do to make our country truly represent the words of our Constitution. Thank you for keeping it real. . .and thanks to the majority of Fayette County residents who can civilly discuss issues rather than rely on personal attacks.

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DM

First you state "you are a piece of work", then try to claim the high road by stating that there are residents that can discuss issues without personal attacks?

Thou hypocrite - typical "Do as I say, not as I do" lib. By the way, it wasn't a personal attack, it was a statement of FACT.

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November Surprise

October surprise? Highly doubtful.

November surprise? You bet.

November 2nd will be a huge surprise for those self-righteous liberals who thought America would embrace socialism and that their name calling and intolerance would somehow intimidate the voters.

Bye Bye Pelosi ... your house has been foreclosed upon.

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Perhaps the October surprise...

starts with the just announced Yemen bomb scare? Perhaps more news will follow in the coming days.

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Cylist - October

Any attack on the US by terrorist on or before the election would spell big trouble for the current administration. Especially considering the first thing the President did was jump back on a taxpayer paid plane to make some political speeches to promote his dogma.

BTW the core of this dogma is that the state is to be trusted with every aspect of our lives!

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Cy & October Surprise

My surprise is getting robo calls the last two Saturdays BEFORE 9am! I wonder if Politicos have any idea how much they are pissing off voters by doing that. Both times it was a Republican--today it was Sara Palin!

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The nerve of those Republicans...

... to think people would actually be awake and functioning before 9am.

I guess the Republicans are used to dealing with the productive citizens who are funding all those entitlement programs the Democrats want to use to enslave the unmotivated mouth breathers.

You should just vote for the Democrats so Obama can continue his programs unabated. That will teach them a lesson.

After all the Democrats have only been in charge of congress since 2006. (And the ENTIRE government for the last two.)

And I think we can all agree it's been a GREAT four and a half years for America. Yes?

BTW- it's 'Sarah' not 'Sara'.

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JonnieWhoever

FYI, I'll call her whatever I want and I don't really appreciate ANYBODY calling me before 9am on a Saturday (or any other morning) unless it's an emergency. As a retired prson who worked 42 yrs, I value my rest. You assume much in your reply and you can trust what Cyclist said. If you get the surveys from the RNC and are capable of any sort of intelligent analysis,you will have to agree with me that they are not well thought through--but they still beg for our money. Seeing as you are so clairvoyant, how about sharing names of those Republicans who will step forward and kick ass in leading our country in a different direction than socialism. And if you can do that, world peace oughta be a snap for you!

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"FYI, I'll call her whatever I want"

Now that's funny. Hey, look, I misspell words from time to time too HomelessJimmy.

Regardless, her REAL name, spelled correctly, is Sarah with an 'h'.

The 'h' matters greatly in the name Sarah to many. In the bible, Sarah (with an 'h') was the wife of Abraham and the 'mother of Israel'.

The Hebrew interpretation means "Princess". The variant 'Sara', Mersera, Sarina, and others do not share the traditional religious connotation and is thought to have Greek origin.

It was picky I know but the arrogance on this board (and the good ole boy club mentality) has allowed what was once a relatively intellectual outlet for banter to digress in to sloppy and inaccurate assertions and a critical need of change in the 'pecking order'.

In case you have failed to notice, I am here to make you ALL uncomfortable and it is remarkably easy to do.

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Hey Johnny

I'll let you on a secret, Gym is not a fan of the President, Pelosi or Reid. He just doesn't like getting phone calls before 0900.

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Cyclist

After watching your posts for two years I commend you on your even keeled and calm demeanor. Although it may be more difficult for me to 'ruffle your feathers' you can be sure that I will.

Please don't take it personal.

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Hey Johnny

Don't worry, I just enjoy the opportunity of participating on this forum. Every so often I'll get into the fray but typically I just poke harmless sticks - mostly at the left.

There's a lot of intelligent people on this board, some of them are "wrapped" to the left and some are "wrapped" to the right. I listen to them all.

Thanks for the kind words.

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Thank you Cyclist.

My comment was for general consumption and is one of the reasons why Republicans usually poll much lower than Democrats.

During 'regular' polling hours many 'conservatives' and 'Independents' and most Republicans simply aren't home to answer the polling questions because they are at work. This often skews the polls to the 'left' so to speak.

For the last several years conservative robo-callers have pushed the time envelope in hopes of reaching the base and the Independents for this same reason.

I realize this will cause great consternation to the Democrats and Liberals but those in the know - know and now you know too.

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Don't stop him, Cy....

I was waiting for him to hyperventilate in his zest to make his hard-hitting, earth-shattering points, and maybe foam at the mouth for a while too. You interrupted him!

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Hey Nucki....

Did you have a point you wanted to make or do you just play buddy buddy to the men on here?

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Did u miss the point? 'll help you out

Here, let me explain it to you and I'll type s l o w for y o u:

when you ascribe political views to people like AtHomeGym that most everyone else knows feels 180 degrees the opposite, maybe you need to either A) pay more attention, or B) not ascribe opinions to other people that you are ignorant about.

The fact that you missed the entire point AHG made about not liking robo-calls first thing in the morning of any kind and extrapolated that into some kind of political leaning shows zealot mentality.

If you enjoy robo-calls as long as they are from Republicans, give me your number and I'll make sure they add you to every sucker list they have.

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I am certain that you are typing slowly nooky; however,

... as always you continue to assume. I really couldn't care less what "AtHomeGym" thinks...or you. Is the clown moniker to attract children?

At any rate, as soon as you learn to type more quickly, I suggest you learn the difference between and adjective and an adverb. (Bacon can explain that one to you.)

You have my phone number already Stein, it's in the phone book. Unlike you however I don't solicit men's phone numbers or purport to speak for them.

The next time you decide to 'butt' in to someone else's conversation- stick with children and liberals.

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Why Johnny Can't Read

"At any rate, as soon as you learn to type more quickly, I suggest you learn the difference between and adjective and an adverb."

I suggest you learn basic grammar since that should read "...the difference between an adjective" and not "and." Then, after getting out of 9th grade this time despite the past failings, come back and help enlighten us with your wisdom.

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I am humbled.

I have learned my lesson and I am humbled by your intellectual prowess. To think that you could tell it was a lack of fundamental understanding of the English language and not a typo is chilling.

I thought when I saw your moniker that you were just another run of the mill Internet tough guy. I stand corrected. You are a one of a kind, puppy loving clown who stands head and shoulders above men. (And often I would suspect.)

"Nooky the clown" is such a cute name for a boy of your hubris. Did you think of that all by yourself or is there a special someone out there named nooky2?

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Nice work, Johnny!

That's three posts now that you have mentioned children in very inappropriate ways and I think you might have a serious problem, even worse than an a "Wide Stance" issue. Seriously, you sound like a real freak.

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Gym

Yup, I know what you mean. Heaven help the poor person that calls me before 0900 or after 2100. I don't care what party they represent.

Speaking of robo calls, for some strange reason I'm not getting those most annoying - your car's warranty is about to expire - calls.

1018 Update. The first call from area code 202 just happened.

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cyclist and Cal

Of course surprises are brought out in a timely fashion at election times!

Nixon called Douglas a Communist the day before his run against her in California! He even had a dirty tricks department and a plumber's department. And of course, an enemy's list.

Some newspapers even re-print old warnings on a timely basis!

I am just sure that President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid hired Yemeni Arabs to throw a bunch of junk in boxes and mail them to Jews in America!

It is impossible to think that stupid glory seekers performed such amateur tricks on us! What can one expect with ten year wars and hundreds of thousands dead? They will keep us busy!

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grammar

Cal : I tried with much dint of effort to simply send you an e-mail. Alas, your website is rather a potpourri of conflicting instructions on e-mailing your departments. In any event, I just wanted to comment on Paul Kengor's use of who/whom and his (and yours) habit of over-working, and incorrectly so, the hyphen. The hyphen is usually used to maker a sharper point than that of, say, a comma. It should not be used so much as to indicate that the writer is unsure of the correct punctuation and uses the hyphen as a crutch. It should always be two un-paired dashes.

The article by Mr. Kengor, "Look WHOM Obama cites now." Obviously, WHOM should have been WHO. The rule is: The subject is always WHO. The object is always WHOM. I assume from the syntax of the title that WHOM is the subject of the title and not Obama.

I took the liberty of counting all the hyphens in some of your's and Mr. Kengor's articles, but soon tired of the task and lost count. And, Cal and Mr. Kengor, please know that I really do mean this gentle grammar correction in the most sincere way.

Sincerely,

James Studdard, Atty and columnist for the Fayette County , News and other publications.

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Ah, excuse me czarist but if I am not grossly mistaken,

isn't Obama the subject, cites is the verb and whom is the object? At least that is the way I learned it many years ago in that little red school house.

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Delicious irony
czarist wrote:

...please know that I really do mean this gentle grammar correction in the most sincere way.

Sincerely,
James Studdard, Atty and columnist for the Fayette County , News and other publications.

Nothing compares to the delicious irony of a grammatical error (in this case, a random comma insertion) in a post lecturing someone on the necessity of proper grammar.

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czarist

I like to use a lot of dashes in sentences. It makes readers think it has to be important or they would simply have used a comma or another sentence.

I do often wonder though exactly what the Greeks think when translating my stuff into Greek. I'll bet it (my stuff) no longer makes sense to the average Greek on the street---if there is such a thing---I mean person---I mean Greek person.

Whom do you think who is anyway? I personally think we could simply do without the word whom.
To who would it make a difference, whom maybe?

Every thing in Spanish is either male or female. Books are male and salads are female.
But whom would know who whom was if not so identified thusly?

"Your's and Mr. Kingor's articles." Something wrong there!

There is nothing sincere about a grammatical correction whom obviously isn't sincere!

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Review of past Oct. surprises

I don't usually use Wikipedia - but it had the most concise account this time:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise#1980_Carter_vs._Reagan

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DM- The voice of reason.

In addition to "Ronnie" and his political posturing:

Days before the November 7 election, Carl Cameron of Fox News, working with the local Fox affiliate in Maine, unearthed an old report that Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush had been arrested for drunk driving in that state in 1976, a report which Bush himself confirmed in a press conference moments after it was revealed.

Can you believe we 'elected' someone with a DUI to be President?

And what about Faux News breaking that story? Everyone knows what a Right-Wing mouth piece they are. Right?

I for one am thankful that President Obama is above playing politics.

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It left out this analysis.

Of course, Reagan's October Surprise was completely made up by the Left. It was just more dishonest politics by Democrats and more made-up hysteria of liberals that was pushed by the mainstream left-wing media.

Democrat Speaker of the House Tom Foley said that Congress needed to investigate precisely because there wasn’t any evidence to substantiate the allegation.

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House Inquiry Finds No Evidence of Deal On Hostages in 1980

House Inquiry Finds No Evidence of Deal On Hostages in 1980

More liberal claptrap made up by Carter apologists. The libs are scrambling like cockroaches. Look how David's Mom brings up something completely untrue and irrelevant. So much for presenting "facts", eh DM?

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Completely made up? Au Contraire!
Woody wrote:

Of course, Reagan's October Surprise was completely made up by the Left. It was just more dishonest politics by Democrats and more made-up hysteria of liberals that was pushed by the mainstream left-wing media.

Democrat Speaker of the House Tom Foley said that Congress needed to investigate precisely because there wasn’t any evidence to substantiate the allegation.

Completely made up? Highly unlikely. There was substantial circumstantial evidence that Presidential Candidate Ronald Reagan dispatched future CIA director William Casey to Spain to meet with Iranian clerics to convince them not to release hostages until after Reagan was elected. If the Iranians kept their part of the bargain, then Reagan would (and did) unfreeze Iranian assets held in US banks. An Iranian diplomat spilled the beans years later, and Iranian president Bani-Sadr corroborated the story.

Casey had an alibi, but his eyewitnesses most likely got the year wrong (they saw him at the annual bohemian grove party in 1981, not 1980). The one piece of evidence that could have proven or disproven the "October Surprise"....Casey's passport....went conveniently "missing" so we'll never know exactly what happened.

If Casey's passport is ever found (it's probably lying under a stack of papers including George W. Bush's infamous missing flight physical) and contains an entry stamp to Spain on the dates in question, then Ronald Reagan was guilty of treason against the United States.

We will, however, never know what really happened. LINK

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Was Rahm Emanuel in Yemen over the weekend?

Just asking.
Timing is interesting. After all, the bomb maker has had the technology for 2 years, he had 2 previous attempts and they waited until the weekend before the election? Hmmmmm. The packages were addressed to a synagogue in Chicago. Hmmmmm.

Or maybe it was a Republican plot to convince the remaing 10% who still think Obama and the Democrats are doing a good job of defending the country from Muslim extremeists. Yea, I like this one better. So, where was Dick Cheney this weekend? Of course he could just get his friends at Halliburton to handle this for him.

Anyway, 70 House seats gained is my prediction. Senate will wind up 62 real Republicans, 2 Rhinos from Maine, 2 Ind. and Uncle Joe as the tiebreaker. Best of all Boxer and Reid will be voted out. Can't wait until 2012 when Uncle Joe is replaced by Bobby Jindal's running mate - probably Palin. Or maybe Jindal will be Palin's VP. Either way it is good diversity of gender, race, geography. And a good contrast to the Dems who must stick with Obama for reasons of racial sensitivity, but only if he dumps Biden and replaces him with Hillary.

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Cal, I had some of the same fears about an October surprise

but it was four years ago when we had an empty warhead as POTUS. Conservatives seem to be in a time warp of some sort.

I don't agree with or like a lot of what Obama has done and not done, but I really believe that he is a good man and would not resort to war mongering.

Wars could all end in five minutes, if everyone took their finger off of the triggers. They are not inevitable or a supernatural force. They are a product of the war that rages within ourselves.

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Herman Cain

All you have to do is listen to Herman Cain on AM radio for proof that he is "nut job." Have you heard his "intelligent thinkers" silliness? The fact that he subs on occasion for Neal Boortz is enough to classify him as right wing nut case.

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Why are you so opposed to a successful black man? Fear?

Herman Cain is an intelligent man with a history of success in business. Indeed, he is a self made millionaire. He turned around Burger King and then bought Godfather's Pizza. Perhaps you are jealous? I suppose you have accomplished more? After all, it's not like you are a community organizer.

Clearly if you do not support him or resent his success one can only conclude that it is because he is not white, or half white. How pitiful that you would simply oppose a man because he is black.

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Astounding logic on Cain

"Clearly if you do not support him or resent his success one can only conclude that it is because he is not white, or half white. How pitiful that you would simply oppose a man because he is black."

That makes as little logical sense as saying people that oppose Obama and resent him is due to his skin color. Frankly, it's an asinine conclusion from either side but that is what passes for alleged "informed voters" these days and why overall the citizens despise the Repubs just like they do the Dems.

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Uh, Nooky, this is Bacon's bait...

... you just clown around with the kids and puppies and let me and Bacon sort this one out.

"That makes as little logical sense as saying people that oppose Obama and resent him is due to his skin color" Ding Ding Ding.... what do we have for the clown Johnny?

I'll let you know when it's time to explain some of your your obtuse signatures (should you develop one).

Don't you ever mind your own business?

You know nooky, you are like that little bottom feeding catfish that steals the bait from the game fish.

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Fayette Republicans: 83% Racist?

So, if people do not support extremist Herman Cain it's because he is black?

Interesting thesis.

Back in 2004, extremist Herman Cain got a whopping 3000 votes out of 17,000 votes cast in the Fayette county republican primary.

Using your logic, that means that the 83% of Fayette republicans (14k/17k) are racist.

That number seems a bit high.

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Correct Bacon.

Fayette County is packed with racists. According to your signature:

"BBC Radio: Niger President Impeached. Tea Party: We were one letter away from a celebration!"

The fact that 'Tea Baggers' don't support BHO is proof of racism. Yes?

Is that not correct Bacon? Why else would conservatives not support Obama? Tell me oh wise one!

And about that moniker - classy. Where in the world did you "DIG" that up?

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lion

I would rather listen to a baby crying than AM talk radio, but fortunately Herman Cain does have a nice website where one can see all of the populist and overly simplistic ideas, but heck, I am not in a position to call someone else a "nut job". His spiel reminds me of an Amway meeting for some reason.

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Carbo & Amway

Does that mean you've been to an Amway meeting? Funny, but best I remember, both Amway and Herman Cain were successful--perhaps for different reasons, but still successrful.

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Perhaps not so different!

Perhaps the reasons for the success of Herman Cain and Amway are not so different after all.....both Cain and Amway reap millions by instilling unrealistic expectations in those poor impressionable people at the bottom of their respective food chains!

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Yea.... Godfather's Pizza and Burger King

... rarely live up to my expectations.

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AHG & Amway

Yes gym, I was at quite a few Amway meetings, and knew the person who was sponsering them well. While Amway corporation was quite successful, the percentage of people who participated in the program that attained any measure of success was in the low single digits. The profit was not in selling the soap, the profit was in selling the dream. I admit, I could have sold the products, but I did not have the mentality to sell the dream. In in my wildest dreams, I also could not sell the notion that Burger King food is good for you. Success looks different to different people.

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Overly simple ideas....

Like "War could end in five minutes if everyone would just get their finger off the trigger".

Gee- that's deep.

Maybe Obama can try that line on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad since the whole olive branch/apology/ignoring him thing hasn't worked out.

I'm just glad we don't have that white guy from Texas starting wars and killing babies anymore. You know, 911 was an inside job, right? Just ask Caryn Johnson .. err, I mean "Whoppi (after the whoopi cushion) Goldberg" (now there is a liberal brain-trust for you).

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Simple observations
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Gee- that's deep

It was over your head, that is for sure.

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Exactly Carbonunit52.

So why don't you do me the honor of explaining how we can end all wars so I can understand it. Explain your intellectual pablum:

"Wars could all end in five minutes, if everyone took their finger off of the triggers"

I'll tell you what, just explain the Palestinian/Israeli solution and forget the other 26 recognized armed conflict/wars since we are all a bit slow.

I'm sure Hillary Clinton and Mr. Obama are as anxious as I am to be schooled by the comunistunit52 fishing teddy bear.

Hit that bong again and tell us... PUHLEEEZ!!!

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Hit that bong again and tell us... PUHLEEEZ!!!

No, but thank you anyway Johnny, I am trying to quit.

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Weather Stuck

Hey Cal, Love your paper and opinions but your weather is always stuck at 95 degrees.

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We're stuck because NWS is stuck ...

I emailed them today about the "feed" that powers that block on our site. Here's the reply:

"The current conditions for Peachtree City has not been updated on the web page since the 26th because the observing site experienced a communications failure. Unfortunately, the FAA is in charge of fixing the communication issues with the observing site, and we do not have any control over how long it will take for them to fix it. The FAA is aware of the issue and we have tried to get the issue as high a priority as possible. We are sorry for any inconvenience this has caused.

Thank you,
Patricia Atwell"

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Cal

The bottom line is....well is that there is no room in the FAA's $15B budget to take care of this.

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Cal Beverly and October Surprises

Let me give my bloggin' compadres a scenario:

1. Assume the United States had NO nuclear weapons.
2. Furthermore, it was bound by international nuclear non-proliferation treaties not to develop nuclear weapons.
3. Now, assume the United States learned that Cuba had a stockpile of 100 to 200 nuclear missles, plus a few more missles hidden outside the country for a "second strike" capability.
4. Even worse, Cuba is not bound by any constraints of the international nuclear non-proliferation treaty....they never signed it!
5. Finally, assume Fidel Castro gets increasingly belligerent in his usual rhetoric against the United States. The people of the United States feel increasingly threatened.

If you were the American government, what would YOU do?

Anyone wanna play?

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You are kidding, right?

1. Assume the United States had NO nuclear weapons.

Why would anyone forget the many years and millions of dollars (not to mention the lives) it took to get us where we are and throw away our nuclear deterrent? Oh, I forgot, can you say "Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament"

2. Furthermore, it was bound by international nuclear non-proliferation treaties not to develop nuclear weapons.

So, we need to succumb to the will of the "International Community" - gee, a bona-fide member of the U.N.? How has that worked out for us.

3. Now, assume the United States learned that Cuba had a stockpile of 100 to 200 nuclear missles, plus a few more missles hidden outside the country for a "second strike" capability.

Oh my?!? Can you PROVE they have weapons of mass destruction?? Where is the video??

4. Even worse, Cuba is not bound by any constraints of the international nuclear non-proliferation treaty....they never signed it!

Wow, so they can IGNORE International Treaty? Imagine that!! I third world dung-hole ignoring "International Constraints"!! Wow... has that ever happened before??? Like, 19 times or more even???

5. Finally, assume Fidel Castro gets increasingly belligerent in his usual rhetoric against the United States. The people of the United States feel increasingly threatened.

Yawn.

If you were the American government, what would YOU do?

I would sit down and talk to my enemies without precondition and ask them to take their finger off the trigger. I would apologize for America's arrogance and past transgressions. I would create a diversion so the American people would forget they have nothing to worry about. I would change the words that described our little misunderstanding with our Cuban friends. I would ask the United Nations to tell them they are being naughty. I would call a summit in Ireland where we would play golf and enjoy Cuban cigars. We would sing songs and hold hands. I would HOPE for CHANGE. Then, I would go on vacation ... again.

See item one: An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. (A concept that eludes many of the liberal ilk.)

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assume

We have thousands of nukes and Cuba has none then you would be assuming REALITY..

FEAR needs a target and an audience.. Our intelligence community seems to have gotten their act together under Obama maybe the Dems can keep us safe after all ....

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We have thousands of nukes and Cuba has none then you would be assuming REALITY..

FEAR needs a target and an audience.. Our intelligence community seems to have gotten their act together under Obama maybe the Dems can keep us safe after all ....

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ChrisP: Israel

Since we all know that is the country you are referencing :) Iran should feel threatened because they ARE being threatened unless they change their entire attitude and behavior towards the rest of the region.

If I am the USA and in that situation, I would hope that I haven't been a rogue country for decades, totally untrustworthy and downright dangerous, as well as being ardent supporters of terrorism. Then, maybe the US in that scenario would get some help. Since it's Iran we are talking about, no dice. I don't feel any sympathy for the Iranian ruling elite here.

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Can't slip one by the Nukster!

Okay, I'll play.

Let's talk about Iran for a bit, then.

What specific "attitudes and behavior" would you wish them to change, and why?

This discussion might get interesting!

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How about stop saying you want to eradicate them all

and drive them into the sea or how about the "We will bathe them-destroy them in fire" or how about "Wiped off the map" or how about "Vanish from the pages of time".

Here is one for you.

You go to work and a co-worker tells you he is going to kill you every day. Each day he gets a little more graphic in describing just how he is going to do it.. It progresses to the point he tells you he is going to not only kill you but your wife and your children.. But he is not finished he tells you he is going to kill every single living member of your family-burn you to ashes and then scatter those ashes to the winds.

You tell the employer and he just writes the guy up.. You tell the police and they say well until he acts they can't do anything.

You quit but he follows you to the next job and it starts all over.

What do you think you would do?

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Observerofu

Do you know why Iran routinely spouts this anti-Israeli rhetoric? (2 of your 3 quotes are of dubious origin, btw)

It's because 50% of Iran holds a grudge. Think of Iran as 50% "Reagan Republicans" (Capitalism uber alles, lip service to social conservatives) and 50% "Palin Republicans" (Forget about balancing budgets, we wanna snoop in your bedroom!).

The shah (a "Reagan Republican") held power in Iraq for 30 or so years because he ruthlessly suppressed the "Palin Republicans". Iran was Israel's main trading partner during that period, Israel and the US sold Iran most of the weaponry used to suppress its own citizens.

When the Shah got too corrupt, the Mullahs ("Palin Republicans") took over the country and it was payback time. The US became "great Satan" and Israel "little Satan".

Now on to the next bullet point(pun intended): why do Iran and Israel want to fight? Hint: it has nothing to do with religion!

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Well bacon

nice putting a slam in trying to equate the right with terrorist. You must have issues to deep to explore here. Please try to keep your ideology under wraps. We are discussing Iran and Israel not your fantasy's.

Israel has faced annihilation since it's inception. Jews have faced it in almost every Country. You have never lived under the threat of death everyday. But they have. Ever send your kids to school not knowing if the bus they are on will be destroyed by a suicide murderer? Ever here an explosion.. Do you wonder if it is just construction? They don't they wonder who was killed. Understandably they are very defensive about rhetoric from the 12th Iman types that wish to wipe them off the face of the earth.

But do go ahead defend the nutjob Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

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