How bad is it? Well, just let me tell you . . .

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Just for fun, here is a gleaning of opinions that go under the general headings of “How bad is ...?” and “What now?”

How bad is our national jobless situation? This from Mort Zuckerman of U.S. News and World Report:

“Altogether, the 9 percent headline figure is an illusory portrait of the situation across the country, representing 13,863,000 men and women out of work. What happens if you add to that the 8.4 million ‘involuntary’ part-time employed, whose hours have been cut back? Then you get a household unemployment rate slightly under 17 percent. ...

“It all adds up to a shocking figure: More than 25 million Americans are now either jobless or underemployed. That’s nearly twice as many Americans out of work as there were in the black year of 1933 — 13 million then. (Only in one year before 1940 and the war did unemployment dip below 8 million.) Of course, the labor force was much smaller then, so the unemployment rate was higher. In the Great Depression, between one third and one quarter of the working population didn’t have jobs.”

So, the jobless rate is not nearly so bad, but we’ve just got nearly twice as many actual humans in America in a bad way as we did in the darkest depths of the Great Depression.

And how bad is the job market in government? Let’s check in with the taxpayers’ best friends, unionized government workers, as reported in the Wall Street Journal Feb. 14:

“Government-employee unions maintain considerable influence. About 7.6 million public employees, or 36.2 percent of all public-sector workers, belonged to unions in 2010, down slightly from the year before. In the private sector, the unionization rate slipped to 6.9 percent.

“In the 2010 midterm elections, public-sector unions contributed $20.5 million to federal candidates, parties and outside groups, up from $19.1 million in the 2008 election cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. The share of contributions to Democrats rose to 92 percent in 2010 from 89 percent in 2008.”

Gosh, do you suppose we can expect any help from Democrats in lowering government wage and benefit costs?

How bad is our situation in the volatile Middle East? This from Newsweek’s Niall Ferguson:

“The result has been a foreign-policy debacle. The president has alienated everybody: not only Mubarak’s cronies in the military, but also the youthful crowds in the streets of Cairo. Whoever ultimately wins, Obama loses. And the alienation doesn’t end there.

“America’s two closest friends in the region — Israel and Saudi Arabia — are both disgusted. The Saudis, who dread all manifestations of revolution, are appalled at Washington’s failure to resolutely prop up Mubarak. The Israelis, meanwhile, are dismayed by the administration’s apparent cluelessness. ...

“The defining characteristic of Obama’s foreign policy has been not just a failure to prioritize, but also a failure to recognize the need to do so. A succession of speeches saying, in essence, ‘I am not George W. Bush’ is no substitute for a strategy.”

Commentator Mark Steyn of SteynOnline says this:

“Amidst all this flowering of democracy, you’ll notice that it’s only the pro-American dictatorships on the ropes: In Libya and Syria, Gaddafy and Assad sleep soundly in their beds.

“On the other hand, if you were either of the two King Abdullahs, in Jordan or Saudi Arabia, and you looked at the Obama Administration’s very public abandonment of their Cairo strongman, what would you conclude about the value of being an American ally?

“For the last three weeks, the superpower has sent the consistent message to the world that (as Bernard Lewis feared some years ago) America is harmless as an enemy and treacherous as a friend.”

And so what of our political future in the U.S.?

Says Salena Zito in Real Clear Politics about “Our New Jeffersonian Era”:

“Apropos of our democracy, Alexander Hamilton’s and Thomas Jefferson’s statues stand miles apart here.

“America always has been at odds with these two Founders’ philosophies of where the nation’s exceptionalism would be found.

“Today we are in the midst of a cultural U-turn away from a Hamiltonian meritocratic-elitist, centralized-power society to a more Jeffersonian Main Street focus, with state and local governments as the primary powerbrokers. ...

“The Democratic Party has cast itself as the progressive party, leaving little or no room for conservative Democrats. It appears to be out of sync with where the country is heading, despite Main Street’s message last fall.

“Over the 234 years of our nation’s Jefferson-or-Hamilton debate, we never really compromised on either man’s vision. We zigzag, progressing slowly along the way, adopting a small part of their values in each new era.

“Republicans were elected in November not because Americans love Republicans; they were elected because their values are in line with this new Jeffersonian era.”

Do you feel better now?

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Apathy, thy name is Union

Those that want union representation vote for it.

Those that don't want union representation don't vote.

Go figure.

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Hey Cal, here's a nice hot towel...
Cal Beverly wrote:

Commentator Mark Steyn of SteynOnline says this:

“Amidst all this flowering of democracy, you’ll notice that it’s only the pro-American dictatorships on the ropes: In Libya and Syria, Gaddafy and Assad sleep soundly in their beds.

*chortle*

Here's a nice hot virtual towel to wipe the egg off your face, Cal.

Let's hope this little episode has taught you an important lesson: Them that lives by the fringe wingnut quote dies by the fringe wingnut quote.

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Bacon: Beverly--no towel needed!!

Saying that only pro-American dictatorships are being overthrown is very much like saying that the pilot's unions' are the only union on the side of the Wisconsin Governor!

Money always speaks loudest!
Libya has oil! Syria threatens Israel.
Egypt controls the Suez.
Iran has oil, threatens Iraq, threatens Israel, and is a Muslim state government.

Our Fifth Fleet (16,000 ships and sailors) is threatened in Bahrain.
If that Fleet had to move it would be worse than losing Israel as an ally.

Americans aren't blamed always (except Libya) for being at fault.

Unless we want to be at war forever, we will make secret plans to abandon the middle east. We need to be more in the far east.

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Closing schools in wisconsin. Cheese heads lose

Published February 18, 2011, 08:39 AM
Hudson schools closed when teachers don’t show up
The Hudson School District notified parents late Thursday night that there would be no school on Friday, Feb. 18

Similar action has been taken by other districts in the state. More than 25,000 people, many of them teachers, have gathered at the State Capital in Madison to protest Gov. Scott Walker’s budget bill that, would among other things, eliminate collective bargaining by public employees.

The teacher make-up day will be Friday, April 22nd. There will be no school age care on Friday, February 18th. The district apologized for any inconvenience to families

What a bunch of sad losers up there. Union goons, mobsters, wannabe gangsters and all the followers. Wow dont those government workers have a brain of their own. What part of we are broke dont they get. Typical american union followers only want for themselves. ME ME ME, screw the rest of you tax payers. The time has come to get rid of the unions once and for all. They have caused all the businesses worth a crap in this country to go over seas. They will not return. Thankyou unions for destroying the USA. Delta voted NO UNIONS in 9 different areas. Now the dog squeeze unionites are trying with Obamas help to change the rules again for another vote. They pay the Pres millions a year so he will kiss there butts and allow it. We arent but a hair from looking like greece and egypt. And wisconsin is pretty embarrassing. 2012 will be a financial disaster for most states. Prepare yourselves.
Thats all time to go on vacation, winter break and we are not going to school.

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Hey normal

Hey normal, when is a contract not a contract?

Can one side arbitrarily change the terms of the contract at their whim?

Try telling your mortgage company you're arbitrarily changing your interest rate to 1%...and let us know what happens.

The new Governor of Wisconsin inherited a balanced budget when he took office. He immediately and unilaterally instituted government giveaways to his political supporters, to the tune of $140 million dollars.

Now he wants to recoup this $140 million by union-busting his state employees.

Seems a bit unfair to me.

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They voted him in

The Wisconsin governor is doing exactly what he promised during his campaign, balance the budget. It all comes down to the ME generation. You know the old saying not in my back yard. Everyone I talk to wants to cut and save. But when it comes from their pocket its a bit different. Americans dont care if their neighbor takes a hit but when it effects them, no way hosea. The bottom line here is I hate unions. They served their purpose in the 50s, then they went on to destroy the american economy and drove all manufacturing out of this country. Their time has come to go away and die. All good things come to an end. Everyone, and I mean everyone needs to cut and suffer in the new age of American bankruptcy.

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Gutless, spinless, cowardly libs afraid of facing unions

Gutless, spinless, cowardly libs afraid of facing unions

As ever-growing throngs of protesters filled the Capitol for a third day, the 14 Democrats disappeared around noon, just as the Senate was about to begin debating the measure, which would end a half-century of collective bargaining rights for most public employees.

What a bunch of gutless, spinless, weenies these liberal democrats are!!

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Gutless, spinless, weenie Democrats continue to hide

Wisconsin Democrats could stay away for weeks

Democrats on the run in Wisconsin avoided state troopers Friday and threatened to stay in hiding for weeks, potentially paralyzing a state government they no longer control.

Typical spineless liberals- They lose control of the state and if they don't get their way, they go into hiding. How typical of most liberals.
They are all a bunch of spineless weenies.

It's time to reign in the bloated salaries of these pathetic excuses for "teachers". It's also past time to cut the pensions of the retirees in half. None of them deserve $100K a year.

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Now why aren't you being clear and honest about what the Wisconsin Teachers strike is about?

They have agree to a salary cut and to pay more for their benefits.
What they have not agreed to is the dissolution of their union forever! Which Republicans hate! (Unions)

Don't worry---it is all a ploy, the final settlement will be:
Union stays, cuts are made!

This was brought about just to show the voters that democrats are trying to save the teacher's union! Thereby raising taxes?

Sickening plans!

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You are the one obfuscating the issue.

Meanwhile, while the Democrat cowards remain in hiding,Protests Fail to Sway Wisconsin Governor

"Gov. Walker has repeatedly said that we won't negotiate the budget," Cullen Werwie, a spokesman for Mr. Walker, said. The Democrats "should stop shirking their responsibilities" and "come back to Wisconsin to do their job."

This is just the beginning of the fall of the spineless, cowardly, Democrats.

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The oh, so peaceful, resonable Democrats

Take a look at how liberals act when they are on the losing side of an argument....

Reporter Confronts Disturbing WI Protester

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Kawfi

Mr. Leroy Newt Gingrich tried shutting down the government once. I think he actually did.
It cost him his seat in congress and the Speakership!

He is now wanting the publicity of running again, knowing he doesn't have a chance to win, Good publicity for his terrible book sales and his Lobbyists, though.

The governor of Wisconsin will not and doesn't want to destroy the teacher's union and he won't.

That is also just publicity.

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Rally to support Wisconsin Protestors

There will be a rally at the Georga State Capitol Building on Wednesday, February 23 at 4:00 P.M. in support of the Wisconsin citizens protesting the actions of the Wisconsin Governor and Republicans to abolish the collective bagaining rights of public employees in that state.

The rally is planned by the SEIU (Service Employees International Union) but eveyone who supports the Wisconsin public workers is urged to join in.

See you there.

Go Wisconsin!!

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The natural outcome of SEIU intentions.

Blackmail

Trains, Planes, and Automobiles

Schools too!

Rely on government services and get what you pay for.....nothing but trouble.

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Lion & Wisconsin Issues

We don't need you or any union importing problems of some other state into GA. If you want to support Wisconsin Union sympathies,then saddle up and go on up there!

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I think the Pinkertons ought to invade Madison with clubs and guns and a judge's eviction in their pockets!
Just like happened in Matewan, WV to club the miner's into submission, only to have it backfire later with the strongest union in the world until the coal need ran out in the 50s and machines took the miner's places.

Incorrect actions make for terrible results usually.

Unions were needed then, not so much now with a democrat who protects the common man in office. Even Industrial operators get away with less mistreatment and poisoning of people under democrats.

Except for peanut butter and hamburger. (not to mention fat, sugar, calories, alcohol, and sex toys.)

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Unions and Wisconsin.

Wisconsin is too cold this time of year so I will protest here in Georgia.

We do not need to import Wisconsin's problems into Georgia. They are already here. An anti-teacher, anti-union, anti-public worker attitude is pretty common among political leaders here in Georgia.

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Pretty common with most voters

Unions have the highest negative poll numbers in union history and teacher unions the same. Even Dems are now realizing the public worker syndrome of jobs for life and grossly inflated pension plans is bankrupting states. It's hardly confined to GA and not only confined to Repub voters either. The voters who showed up in 2010 sent that message really loud and clear and you cand expect Governors and their political parties to take heed and follow Christie's and Walker's example and then some.

What Wisconsin has wrong is that the proposed reforms exempt public safety employees from any modifications or cuts. I don't think some of the other states are going to be that generous.

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It seems DELTA gets out the vote for workers, not Pilots!

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DARN that pesky First Amendment!

"Congress shall make no law ..abridging ..the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

DARN that pesky First Amendment!

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BACON: First Amendment

Doesn't apply in Wisconsin Bacon, only if it had to do with cheese and beer riots.

Just like in GA where the law doesn't apply to illegals who put on roofs, mow yards, and pick beans and watermelons--except for the wintertime!

Anyway it says to peaceably assemble! They aren't peaceable (noisy) and they don't assemble (gather). Big difference.

Ever notice the Pilots or drink servers assemble and march? They have signs but little noise and they gather, not assemble. They also make a lot more money than Master's degree teachers. Pay more taxes, usually.

Cops should not be allowed to assemble with side arms!

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Ok an anti-union thug rally should be planned as well

It is a crying shame I live in another State.

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Sarah and the TEAS

I notice Sarah is against unions, but Alaska gets most of their income, people and government, from oil royalty---Doesn't those oil workers have some sort of union! Her husband is union, I'll bet.

Most of the conservative TV people on fox belong to unions!!!! Bet you didn't know that!

Ronnie Reagan ran a union for many years, but switched to GE contractor for more money.

Whose Ox is being gored??????

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Tea Party Brownshirts to infiltrate pro-union rallies

The national website for the Tea Party Action Network is asking all their Tea Party members to infiltrate pro-union rallies nationwide, grab a union t-shirt, then act like a goon in front of television cameras, yelling things like "screw the taxpayer"!

They don't even care that the American public knows what they're planning to do ahead of time, they just want those visuals being broadcast to the public.

LINK

Hitler had his Brownshirts, Walker has his Tea Party.

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Looked at your link bacon

In fact I agree with the one guy at the very bottom of the page that said this. Use SEIU tactics against them. I didn't see you posting against liberal groups that posted the exact same thing when the teaparty was holding rally's. Seems your "situational outrage" only goes so far.

But the real issue here is your supposed 1st Amendment support.

For someone who posted about the 1st amendment being abridged you sure don't mind having it abridged for people who don't agree with you.

Here is the reality of the "peaceful" liberal.

NEW CIVILITY? LIBERAL TWEETS CALL FOR GOV. WALKER’S ASSASSINATION

http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2011/02/20/new-tone-liberal-tweets-call-for...

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Not surprised
Observerofu wrote:

In fact I agree with the one guy at the very bottom of the page that said this. Use SEIU tactics against them. I didn't see you posting against liberal groups that posted the exact same thing when the teaparty was holding rally's. Seems your "situational outrage" only goes so far.

I'm not surprised that YOU agree. The "code of the third grade playground" (i.e. "Two Wrongs Make a Right" and "But Mom! The other guy did it TOO!") has long been one of the core tenets of your immature political philosophy. (Along with a near-pathological hatred of non-whites and non-Christians, coupled with a sad need to get the last word in, but I digress)

Observerofu wrote:

But the real issue here is your supposed 1st Amendment support. For someone who posted about the 1st amendment being abridged you sure don't mind having it abridged for people who don't agree with you.

Ask yourself why these bwave tea party supporters seem to lack the courage to stand up for their own convictions and support what they believe in? Instead they want to skulk about and pretend to be something they're not (union supporters). On second thought, however, one could make a pretty compelling argument that the vast majority of the Tea Party Brownshirts are continually "Pretending to be something they're not"

Observerofu wrote:

Here is the reality of the "peaceful" liberal.
NEW CIVILITY? LIBERAL TWEETS CALL FOR GOV. WALKER’S ASSASSINATION
http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2011/02/20/new-tone-liberal-tweets-call-for-gov-walkers-assassination/

Here's what make me a better person than you: I've identified an entire ORGANIZATION attempting to subvert another organization, and you respond with anecdotal evidence from a few deranged individuals.

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Observerofu,

ah yes, if only is was like it was in the good old days, and Pinkerton thugs could be dispatched in these trying circumstances to beat the snot out of that contemptable kindergarden teacher.

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Carb sorry for the short retort

Let me make amends here by giving my reasons for my response to Lion. I am in total disagreement over the Teachers Unions going on an illegal strike period.

Now here is why.

First the November elections actually meant something in Wisconsin. You see the politicians that were recently elected are actually trying to do what the voters want them to do. Wisconsin is over $3 billion in debt. A large part of that debt is pensions from the public sector. Changes have to be made. Union members just like everyone else have to step up and take the hits just like the rest of us.

If the States do not get a handle on their debt then insolvency is their future and we the taxpayer will end up funding the pensions just like we did with GM.

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Observerofu, I am in agreement with a lot of what you say,

except for the debt numbers, but that is another matter. I would be OK with a law that says public employees can not go out strike over anything except working conditions. I am totally against taking away or compromising anyone's right to collective bargining.

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What I read

was that under the new agreement government employees could still bargain on SALARY but not on benefits and pensions. The problem is many states are now going broke. In the past holding jobs as ransom for large pensions/benefits was common. -GP

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Correct GP Collective bargaining is not be removed

only modified to meet the private sector.

They will still be able to use it for pay but benefits and pensions will be locked out. This gives the State the needed ability to control cost. One of the biggest drains on a State and GM btw was and is the pensions. Some of which actually receive more then the actual pay received when they were working.

Granted the deal was accepted by previous Governors but this one was elected to end it.

These Unions are doing more to be broken up by their refusal to share the burden and striking then anything the Governor is doing.

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Deliberate distortion there OOU

"These Unions are doing more to be broken up by their refusal to share the burden..." Bunk. You know the unions have agreed to reduced pay, increases in paying for health benefits, and adjustment of the retirement benefits.

The money issues are agreed to. The controversy is the demand that the union give up its collective bargaining rights concerning benefits.

This is just the latest attempt at union busting.

Maybe it will awaken the Democrats out of their stupor.

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Jeff I thought all you liberals were about Fair Share

"Under Walker's plan, state employees' share of pension and health care costs would go up by an average of 8 percent.
Unions still could represent workers, but could not seek pay increases above those pegged to the Consumer Price Index unless approved by a public referendum. Unions also could not force employees to pay dues and would have to hold annual votes to stay organized.
In exchange for bearing more costs and losing bargaining leverage, public employees were promised no furloughs or layoffs. Walker has threatened to order layoffs of up to 6,000 state workers if the measure does not pass."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110217/ap_on_re_us/us_wisconsin_budget_unions

Those poor over worked, under paid, no wait that's not right I think it is under worked and over paid teachers just wanting to make sure that they, I mean everyone get's what's theirs.

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"under worked and over paid teachers"
Observerofu wrote:

Those poor over worked, under paid, no wait that's not right I think it is under worked and over paid teachers just wanting to make sure that they, I mean everyone get's what's theirs.

Sounds like someone's got a distinct case of wealth envy.

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Thanks for admitting

that these Union members have received more then then deserve.

btw-have you noticed the teacher score for Wisconsin. Not to good. Just about Georgia level.

So if a worker is sub-par then logic dictates you either re-train or remove that worker.
Oh wait the union won't allow either.

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Admitting?

I admit you have trouble with distinguishing between fact and fiction. Period.

I said nothing about teachers receiving more than they deserve, that was you putting words in my mouth. Again.

Not sure what you are DERPing about with regard to "teacher score for Wisconsin" but have you seen the Wisconsin SAT averages vs. Georgia SAT averages?

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OOU

This deal reminds me of something, remember PATCO? I hired several while they were out on strike. Striking was a huge mistake in that instance, this one may end badly for the unions as well. One thing is for sure, the whole nation is getting to see the thug tactics these guys use. -GP

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Even the Teachers Union in Wisconsin

is calling for them to go back to work. They don't realize the radicalized portion of the Unions led by Sterns and Trumka that want a Globalized "Workers party" actually run these people now.

They have the DNC and Obama's "Organizing for America" involved and calling for more unrest, not just in Wisconsin, but everywhere. With the Middle East starting to go up in flames it's time for them to create the issue for change here.

They are fomenting Chaos so they can start the engine on the framework they built.

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Kawfi: Budgets

Have you ever noticed that every single item in the U.S. budget that the republicans want to cut to balance the budget are items used a lot by democratic voters?

As an Independent voter I can easily find cuts that could be made on both sides of the politics of the matter.

1. Stop the robbery of the Social Security and Medicare funds by the health industry. (office visits every 3 months, ever six months, etc.; $3000 dollar lab test every 3-6 months with no complaints, etc.; 3-4 specialists for repeated visits until death, etc.)

2. Add up what pharmaceuticals cost per year now and tax the hell out of those robbing devils. Talk about too many employees and benefits!
They are allowed now to charge off all research---even what is not research.

3. Cut welfare allowances to necessities and not allow purchases of whatever one might want (very few restrictions now). Issue that food at special stores run by contractors, plenty to eat but little steak, gourmet foods, deli meats, ice cream, etc.

4. Check DNA of unsupported children against an accused father's DNA (in private of course) even if several have to be checked. Require support, or assigned work, of the Father.

5. Remember what President Eisenhower said upon leaving office: be careful of the military industrial complex. Really do that. Then Senators and congresspeople couldn't vote for an un-needed second F-35 fighter engine by a company in their state!

6. There are currently scores of expenditures for such as ear-marks, foreign aid, etc., which amount to 1-2% of the budget.
Cut the budget where the bucks are and stop vote-getting with trivial cuts. (republicans much worse about this than democrats.)

7. Ever hear of zero budgeting even for Social Security, Medicare, Defense? Leaving what is needed only for every detail!

8. We must get away from doing things only to get re-elected.

Deep cuts are not going to happen in Social Security, etc., anyway, and just a little everywhere that is unjustified, would delay disaster.

Oh, and let us be extra careful just whom we elect and then re-elect who
aren't qualified or aren't very smart.

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The bill wouldn't cut anyone's salaries, you moron. It would merely prevent them from using collective bargaining to rape and pillage the taxpayer any further.

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Kawfi

Apparently you answered the wrong comment!

Are you talking about Wisconsin Teachers?

Yes they did propose unpaid furlough days, pay more out of their checks for benefits, etc.
Teachers there make much more than in Georgia--they really do teach there.

Teachers, and Pilots and public safety should have no "unions."

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Cal -

Interesting how Obama states "We hear your voices" to the Egyptian Revolutionaries, but when the Tea Party spoke out, did he listen? Of course not, he had them investigated. Hence, the November shellacking.

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It could be worse Cal

We could be following the advice of those you quote in your article.

Why should anyone care that Niall Ferguson thinks Egypt is Obama's foreign policy debacle? The right has always feared democracy movements. It would be nice if the critics had an alternative to offer but, of course, they don't. What exactly would they have done differently; invaded Egypt to help prop up Mubarak? The Egyptian Army supported the revolution. Perhaps they think the US position in the Middle East would have been enhanced if we had encouraged Mubarak to attack the protesters.

Mark Steyn's analysis is even more ludicrous. “Amidst all this flowering of democracy, you’ll notice that it’s only the pro-American dictatorships on the ropes: In Libya and Syria, Gaddafy and Assad sleep soundly in their beds. Perhaps he missed the headlines in the newspapers reporting: "Libya's regime must now fear its people's anger", "‎Deaths Reported in Anti-Ghadafi Clashes", and "Libya's antigovernment protests escalate on 'day of rage' against Muammar Qaddafi"

“America’s two closest friends in the region — Israel and Saudi Arabia — are both disgusted. The Saudis, who dread all manifestations of revolution, are appalled at Washington’s failure to resolutely prop up Mubarak. The Israelis, meanwhile, are dismayed by the administration’s apparent cluelessness. ..."

Well, at least there is a cause the right seems to find worth supporting. Prop up Mubarak to appease the Saudis so that their financing and sponsorship of worldwide Wahabi fundamentalism can continue unthreatened.

And it is supposedly the Obama administration that is clueless?

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It actually is hilarious to me that the administration is being severely criticized for not propping up Mubarak any more than they did. They let Egypt resolve their own problems of leadership.
Who cares how many of those Kings, and Potentates in that area are ticked!

It is so funny because if we had helped Mubarak stay in power and helped quell the crowds--which would have been simple--I can't imagine how bad the criticism would then have been!
Why, we killed Egyptian innocent citizens just to keep a bandit in power---shame!!!

The Israelis do fear that a military or Islamic new regime (forget democracy) will void their peace treaty with Egypt, and we may have to help there later!

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It was interesting, Jeff

It was interesting, Jeff, watching how the Egyptian imbroglio played out in the American Reichwing. They'd been lecturin' the dittosheep for years how there was no such thing as "grey", anything and everything could be framed in terms of "black" and "white".

Along came the Egyptian protests.

The wingnuts had a collective brain freeze, searching for the elusive bumper-sticker talking point that never came. This lasted over two weeks, an eternity considering the world moves around at Internet Speed.

Beck and Palin tried pushing the "Oh NOE! Caliphates!" line over and over, but it failed to gain traction with anyone other than the most gullible fools (see: Observerofu).

The Right searched in vain for something....ANYTHING...to blame unrest in Egypt on President Barack Obama. Now that the dust is beginning to settle, the Monday Morning Quarterbacks of the Reich have declared Obama responsible for not being prescient enough to predict the riots in Egypt. Sure he had a war to manage in Iraq, but they conveniently overlooked that...

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For more than ten years we have been fed numbers of unemployment at about one-half of their actual!

Good to see some are finally recognizing that fact.

About 45% of us are either unemployed, underemployed drastically, or simply on tax payrolls, or serving one another at non-productive jobs---not to mention hospital patients, disabled people, etc.

We made it those ten years by borrowing money from each other or from foreign countries. We will now be doing all that for another ten years in spite of everything we do.

As an example, what would it take for this very newspaper to gross twice the ads it now sells? That would be twice as many buying ads and twice as many buying the products advertised---or thereabouts.

Ain't gonna happen soon.

To assume that if Georgia and Fayette County were totally managing their economies with no federal taxation except for foreign necessities and defense, is a worse plan that what we have now. It is backward progress.

It would lead to what happened to Egypt this week. 7000 years and they are out of it totally again. Same with Italy, Scandinavia, Greece, Turkey,etc. Muslims and shysters will end up running it soon.

How on earth would one expect 50 individual states on 50 economic plans to ever progress, or even stand still?

We elected those representatives to run it for us---they are failing.
Egypt chose Pharaohs, Kings, dictators, and ignorance and that failed also.

Now, conservatives are saying the current administration should have backed Mubarak and not the resistors! If he had they would be saying that we had no business getting further involved!

See the problem?

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It might be informative to review what happened in Persia and our 'backing' of Reza. Reza was put out - and allowed to live in Mexico in exile. We played an 'isolationist' but do 'business' role with the new leaders - and look what that got us!! I think there are more conservatives who really want to work for our country rather than the Republican Party. They are our hope. Fiscal conservatism is not a bad thing!! The American people need to be willing to accept the consequences of poor fiscal management - and be willing to make the sacrifices necessary to maintain our leadership position in the world. Taxes will have to be raised AFTER we get Americans employed!! The recovery is a process - and it's not going to be easy - no matter what economic theory one wishes to follow. IMO.

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It might be informative to review what happened in Persia and our 'backing' of Reza. Reza was put out - and allowed to live in Mexico in exile. We played an 'isolationist' but do 'business' role with the new leaders - and look what that got us!! I think there are more conservatives who really want to work for our country rather than the Republican Party. They are our hope. Fiscal conservatism is not a bad thing!! The American people need to be willing to accept the consequences of poor fiscal management - and be willing to make the sacrifices necessary to maintain our leadership position in the world. Taxes will have to be raised AFTER we get Americans employed!! The recovery is a process - and it's not going to be easy - no matter what economic theory one wishes to follow. IMO.

Why did you say "Taxes will be raised"? Isn't our government already too large? We must get our SPENDING under control and support individual freedoms. BTW, you sound a little like Ron Paul above, there is hope for you! -GP

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BTW, you sound a little like Ron Paul above, there is hope for you! -GP

There is room for cooperation and compromise in order to get this country back on its feet!! ' Statesmen' rather than 'politician's' are needed. Everyone has something of value to offer to the solution.

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Why did you say "Taxes will be raised"?

Until we get a working citizenship that can contribute to 'taxes' - taxes will have to be raised in order to support the day-to-day operation of a country/state that has managed their finances badly for years. Government will have to be cut - and citizens will have to make sacrifices in order to continue to maintain world leadership. We cannot continue to 'cut' education when already we are losing ground in having an educated populace among the 50 industrialized countries. Americans will have to 'cut' their own budgets; and prepare for the reality of the consequences of allowing the spend, spend, spend philosophy to go on for decades - especially the past extremely poor management of an unbudgeted war. Cuts, hopefully, will be made with a vision of the responsibility of the future of the US role in world leadership.

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Please describe, "under control," someway other than spend only what you get!

That right now means large cuts have to be made in Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, Veterans benefits, Defense of our country, and pensions for soldiers and sailors.
That amounts to about 80% of our expenses. The other 20% would pretty much have to be totally stopped to balance the budget and pay any on the deficit.

Name the specific cuts, please THAT WILL DO the job! (Please don't say foreign aid and earmarks! That is about 1% only if all gone. Anyway if they weren't earmarks and needed aid they would be separate bills!

Got to have more income someway. Cuts will never do it.

Is everyone bad at math anymore?

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