McCarty, Brown make 10-point ‘Promise to constituents’

Newly-sworn Fayette County Commissioner Steve Brown points to map of potential mass transit plans for metro Atlanta, including Fayette County. Photo/Ben Nelms.

The Fayette County Commission chambers were full Monday morning as Commissioner-elect Allen McCarty and Commissioner-elect Steve Brown were sworn in by Probate Judge Ann Jackson. After the ceremony McCarty presented their pledge to Fayette County residents.

A 10-point pledge, “Our promise to our constituents,” outlined many of the issues raised by Brown and McCarty that led to their election in November.

“We will always recognize that our authority comes from the citizens of Fayette County,” McCarty said as he began the presentation. “We will make every effort to support and vote for any proposal that allows for greater public input in our public meetings held in our public facilities.”

In terms of accountability, McCarty said the new commissioners will insist that all business subject to a board vote be properly cited on an agenda at least 24 hours prior to public meetings and that they will do their best to ensure that citizens’ questions and concerns receive thorough answers.

Continuing their pledges on accountability, McCarty said he and Brown would strive to avoid the appearance of any conflict of interest, adding that, “We will treat everyone fairly, especially if they offer an opposing point of view. We would rather earn your respect than demand it. We also hold the county staff in high esteem, asking that they be impartial in all dealing with elected officials and the public.”

Their acknowledgment of accountability also included the promise to not change the priorities of Fayette citizens without their consent.

“The West Fayetteville Bypass construction is the most glaring example of telling citizens one thing and doing another,” McCarty said.

Turning to all elected officials, McCarty said he and Brown recognize that the constitutional officers throughout Fayette County are elected by the citizens and they will be treated as peers, not as department heads.

“They are responsible for providing the highest level of service in the most cost-efficient manner and we will partner with them to make that happen,” said McCarty.

The remaining components of the pledge to citizens related to development and the local economy. Citing development issues, McCarty said the new commissioners will always favor low density land planning aimed to reduce the demands on public infrastructure.

And citing the ongoing recession, McCarty said, “We recognize the county is in the midst of a poor economy. We will do our very best to ensure that each tax dollar is spent wisely. We are committed to enhancing our opportunities for quality business investment in the county and to protecting the assets that are essential to maintaining our quality of life.”

Brown and McCarty will take their places on the five-member commission at its first meeting of the new year, Wednesday, Jan. 5.

Brown defeated Chairman Jack Smith and McCarty beat Commissioner Eric Maxwell in the July Republican Primary. Neither faced Democrat opposition in November.

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New Commissioners' First Meeting

Please attend the first Commission Meeting for the New Year! The meeting is Wednesday, January 5, 2011, at 3:30 pm in the Commission Meeting Room.

Two topics on the Agenda will be (1) term limitations (no more than two consecutive terms); and (2) the creation of a policy that prohibits the Board of Commissioners from voting on any issue not on an agenda available to the public and the news media at least 24-hours in advance.

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I definitely agree with (2). That is actually an Open Meetings Act issue that FC has failed to follow frequently over the years and I'm all for that passing.

Item (1)...uh, no. I'm against term limits to begin with because the voters have the power to "enforce" term limits every election. The fact that a lot of eligible voters no-show doesn't mean that we have to have some kind of term limits imposed, especially at the FC commission level. If people get fed up enough, they'll show up to get rid of politicians they don't like(see Steve Brown's landslide re-election defeat in PTC or his run against Ramsey for State House Rep). Don't need government mandating this.

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Yea NUK, but he has a .500 winning percentage

And that's good enough to get you in the NFL playoffs. Might be better to have limits on how many times someone can run for office. And of course the low voter turnout enables almost anyone to get elected.

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I agree Ginga1414

Those two issues are things the local people should be supporting!!! I mean if you gotta hide an agenda item from the citizens and do a surprise vote you're up to no good.

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I am genuinely touched by what they said

“We will always recognize that our authority comes from the citizens of Fayette County,” .................

"We would rather earn your respect than demand it."

That sounds like it was right from the heart and genuinely meant.

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At the intersection of Mudcat and Birdman is trouble

You guys are so divisive!!!

Hopefully your negativity won't carry through to 2011!!!

20 minutes and counting (Happy New Year).

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Happy New Year Spear Road Guy

Hey, blogging 20 minutes before New Years? Ok, I admit it is now Jan. 4. Had fun partying then watching football!
One quick comment. I NEVER defended Dan Tennant. I was always one of his greatest detractors. I simply pointed out that Steve turned on him the moment Dan failed to back Steve. He attacked Dan at Council Meetings and in the Citizen. This is how Steve treats his allies. As long as they were at his beck and call he was fine. The moment they DARED to go against him they were mortal enemies. My only point is this is what will happen to McCarty dare he not heed all of Steve's desires. For example, I suspect Steve will want desperately to be Chairman. If McCarty votes against him, look out. Steve will suddenly find McCarty's every vote as a failure. That's all.
I'm not actually negative, only "schooled" in the ways of Brown. I can't financially afford what Brown could potentially reap. As I said to Steve, there are a number of his "promise" points that he failed on as Mayor. They were derisive and costly to PTC. Don't want the same for the county. Is that really "negative?" I didn't make up his performance. He is not an "'unknown entity." He comes from a 4 year track record that was not successful. It's not "negativity," it's proven reality.

As for "starting early" on New Years Eve, not really. But I think I must have had more fun than you.
Blogging 20 minutes before New Years???? Really?

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Birdman O'Donnell

If you're one of Dan Tennant's greatest detractors then what in the heck are you screaming at Steve Brown about??? We all think Tennant when off the deep end.

As for New Years I'm too old jump up and down and act like I'm excited about anything!!! I stayed up for my wife and daughter.

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Spear Road Guy,

Sorry to hear you don't get excited about anything. I am getting there in years but not in mind. As Jimmy Buffet said "I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead."
Anyway, I don't understand why pointing out how Brown turned on his ally is the same as defending his ally. Look, Germany and Russia were allies until Hitler invaded Russia. Is that defending Russia? No. Now, don't say I'm comparing Brown to Hitler. It is only an example of how someone can turn on an ally. That is what Brown did to Tennant. That is what he'll do to McCarty.
I am not "screaming" at Brown, I am only pointing out his character. No scream. The scream will come when Fayette County sees his character in action.

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Touched sugarfoot? You sure are

That tripe has been used so many times in the past you can't even track it backto the originator - who probably lived in the 1700's. Seldom has anyone actually acted that way after they gained power and there is no way that Brown is likely to be the first in the modern history of Fayette County to do so.

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Point of interest Mudcat

It was actually McCarty who made the quote. Don't know anything about him but maybe he'll live up to it. Brown is simply Brown.

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I wish Steve Brown and Allen

I wish Steve Brown and Allen McCarty the very best. I appreciate all that they are doing and their willingness to serve us folks in Fayette County.

Thank you Steve and Allen !

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birdman and mbest, Think About It

You folks have got our two new commissioners drawn and quartered when they haven't even taken office. It is real easy to log-on here and just let the words fly. We've all done that.

However, I don't think I would be sticking my foot so far in my mouth that I would have no room to extract it.

Since you guys think you have all the answers, why didn't you run for the two commission seats? The Chambers Dictionary describes the courage of one's convictions as :courage to put one's opinions into practice.

Just think about the possibilities!

We could now be discussing whether or not Mr. Birdman or Mr. Mbest would be the "best" choice for commission chairman.

Mr. Brown and Mr. McCarty have had the courage to stand by their convictions and the people of Fayette County. Their convictions are based on first-hand knowledge of the egotistical way our county government has been doing business for the last four years.

More power to you Steve and Allen.

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Birdman

I admire your honesty.

Several folks suggested that I might want to run for a commission seat, too. That wouldn't have been a good idea, by any stretch of the imagination. We all have our limitations.

With regards to apologizing, I don't focus on having folks apologize when their motives are pure and their hearts are in the right place. So, no matter whose opinions prevail, I won't be holding you to an apology. However, if at some point in the future you feel that I owe you an apology, I'll be there, Mr. Birdman.

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Ginga it's only fair

that if I am wrong I owe Brown an apology. I will look forward to that since it'll mean that he made good on his pledge and the county is better off. Therefore I will be better off.

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Somebody write that down

Oh how funny!!! Birdman appears to be getting sentimental regarding Steve Brown and could actually offer an apology. You're not supposed to hit the booze until midnight on 12/31.

Why on earth are you defending that maggot Dan Tennant??? Talking about owing the people an apology.

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Actually Ginga

I would run for office if I thought I was the best man. I am not. But I at least admit that. Given that I recognize this doesn't make me uninformed or mean I should simply stay out of the debate. My convictions are based on first hand knowledge too. I have not commented pro or con regarding McCarty other than to say that today he is Brown's closest ally only to become, at some point down the road, an object of attack by Brown. This will happen the first time McCarty votes in opposition to Brown. This "conviction" is based on first hand knowledge. Simply ask Dan Tennant about this.
Brown has a proven track record in PTC. We watched for 4 years while he did exactly what we are "drawing and quartering" him for. I will pledge here and now that if Brown turns out to actually be a representative of ALL the people, as he claims he will, I will issue an apology in this forum. I don't think I am sticking my foot in my mouth. I am simply insisting that Brown not do to the county what he did to PTC. It is expensive and embarrassing to the citizens.
If you had watched his performance as Mayor, read his letters over the years, and really researched what we have been trying to tell you before you elected him, you may feel differently. It is all out there, mostly in this paper's archives as well as PTC Council MInutes. But it would take some research and work. Easier to simply blindly listen to him and follow. It's the American way.

We'll see ginga. If it turns out that I am right, will you be big enough to apologize in this forum?

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Need a better apology than that, birdman. Something showy

How about if Brown turns out to actually represent all the people you will fly naked over the Dragon Boat Races at high noon? Kinda like to see that myself. Put some real incentive into this thing. A written apology in a blog? No pizzaz. Be creative.

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Ok mudcat,

I think I may fly naked over the Dragonboats anyway. But I'd like to know what others will do if I am right and they are wrong? Not a whole lot of offers. Sort of like Brown when he's asked to "put up or shut up." He does neither.
By the way, if I were to fly over the Dragonboats naked it would certainly be during a "full moon."

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Councilman Elect Brown

Did you, or will you, post a point by point copy of your pledge?

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Birdman

Reading through the posts on this rainy yet glorious day. Here is what you were asking for in your post.

Happy New Year.

Our Promise To Our Constituents

1. We will always recognize that our authority comes from the citizens of Fayette County. We will make every effort to support and vote for any proposal that allows for greater public input in our public meetings held in our public facilities.

2. We will insist that all business subject to a vote of the Board of Commissioners be properly cited on a meeting agenda no less than 24-hours prior to the public meeting.

3. If the citizens have questions or concerns about an issue, we will do our best to ensure you receive complete answers.

4. We recognize that Fayette County’s Constitutional Officers are officials elected by the citizens; and as such, they shall be treated as peers and not as department heads. The Constitutional Officers are responsible for providing the highest level of service in the most cost-efficient manner and we will partner with them to make that happen.

5. We will make every effort to avoid even the appearance of conflicts of interest in our positions as representatives of the people of Fayette County.

6. We will treat everyone fairly, especially if they offer an opposing point of view. We would rather earn your respect than demand it. We also hold the county staff in high esteem, asking they be impartial in all dealings with the elected officials and the public.

7. We will not change the priorities of the people of Fayette County without their consent. The West Fayetteville Bypass construction is the most glaring example of telling the citizens one thing and doing another.

8. We will always favor low density land planning in order to reduce the demands on our public infrastructure.

9. We recognize the county is in the midst of a poor economy. We will do our very best to ensure that each tax dollar is spent wisely.

10. We are committed to enhancing our opportunities for quality business investment in the county and to protecting the assets that are essential to maintaining our quality of life.

Sincerely,
Commissioner Allen McCarty and Commissioner Steve Brown

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Thanks Steve

I appreciate your response. I think your promises sound good. As you were so fondly eager to point out it is the citizens duty to hold our government accountable. Therefore Steve I (and I'm sure others) will be holding you accountable for your promise to us. I certainly hope you live up. I know we have gone around and around in the past when you were Mayor. I personally think you did not live up to certain points, especially points 1, 2, 4, 6, 9, and 10. I don't mean all of the time, but at times you, as Mayor, did not, in the opinion of this citizen, live up to those points. I tend to doubt you Steve, here is an opportunity to prove me wrong. In fact I challenge you to prove me wrong. As I said in earlier posts, if you do I will be the most willing to issue an apology. If you prove me right, we will vote you "off the island" again.

Good luck.

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If It's Herb Frady I'll Puke

Herb Frady is socially inept, dozes off during meetings and could care less about what the people want!!!

Frady is Eric Maxwell's favorite stuffed toy. If I remember Maxwell tried to make Frady chairman a few years back and Jack Smith kept the seat. It's amazing how Maxwell bad mouths his fellow commissioners behind their backs and then expects them to do his bidding by electing Frady when he's gone. Maxwell keeps saying "I'm not as bad as the other commissioners and I don't vote with them." He's a jerk!!!

The only good thing with Frady as chairman will be he probably convinces everyone to get rid of Hearn, Horgan and him faster.

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Spear Guy almost completely

Spear Guy almost completely right, as usual, except for the Frady attempts to be Chairman. Maxwell nominated Frady knowing it would die for lack of a second. Maxwell and Smith made a deal to make Smith Chairman. Smith was thrilled and now is bitter. Poor guy. That's what happens when you don't listen to what anyone else has to say.

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Puke if you must Spyglass, but Frady's the man

I'd rather watch Frady doze than hear Brown speak. And if he's asleep, he can't vote to spend more of our tax dollars on pet projects that help no one.

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I don't care to see any of the five as Chairman

There's not a sharp knife in the mix. Frady? Who's going to keep him awake much less focused. Steve Brown's going to be an embarassment. McCarty the know-it-all will prove to us just how much he doesn't know. Hearn, probably the most normal one in the bunch, will walk away shaking his head and asking himself why he ever got himself into the mess.

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Mbest

Our former county commission chairman said Hearn has been fired from several government jobs. Eric Maxwell says Hearn just shows up for meetings and that's it. I will rank him higher than the pot smoker and the Alzheimers patient for sure.

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SRG & Lee Hearn

Whatever happened to Lee Hearn in the past sure didn't deter Henry County from hiring him as a Department Director!

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Athomegym on Hearn

I could be wrong but I recall someone at a Republican Women's function saying Lee Hearn was let go from Henry County. I think he's working for McDonough or Lovejoy now.

10 minutes and counting (Happy New Year).

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Spear & Hearn

The Henry Co website still shows him as the Director of their Transportation Dept. Happy New Year to you too!

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Starting on the right note

I was amazed to see so many people at the county building to see them get sworn in. The end of the one term Smith and Maxwell era can't some soon enough for most of us. We've definitely had enough.

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Wait four years.....

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PTC Observer

I think it's wait 2 years. Frady, Horgan and Hearn will be out the door. People are waiting to run against all three of them.

I'll bet you dinner for two at Roly Poly that Steve Brown brings up one issue after another that proves the three stooges don't support the locals. The hole is already deep with the West Fayetteville Bypass deal. They won't survive the bypass.

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I don't think they will survive the bypass either

I think Steve Brown is a good honest man. Same for MCcarthy.

I think they will not forget the voters. They are there to make a difference and to listen to the citizens.

Someone I know went to the swearing in. They are not a fan of Frady, but commented that he showed up while the others didn't.

What kind of a welcome, or working relationship message does that send from the other Commisioners?

I have to agree with my friend. Even if I were Smith or Maxwell, I would have shown up. To do otherwise was totally classless.

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Oath of office ceremony

It was not necessary for either Jack Smith or Eric Maxwell to attend.

It was time to turn the page.

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No shows Maxwell and Smith

Yea, that does show a lack of class, sort of like Brown not showing up to Logsdon's swearing in or Brown taking down the pictures of the former mayors after his swearing in or dissing Tom Farr after he passed away or on and and on and on. Hold on Fayette County it is going to be a long 4 years. Frady is a shoo-in for Commission Chairman and there's not going to be much anti-bypass discussion allowed by him.

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CCB, you're on

I'd like to take that bet. First I love Roly Poly and if it's free to me I like it more. Second I can't pass up a sure thing. But let's add a little to the bet.

Contrary to Brown's "pledge," he will NOT be a representative of all people. He proved that over and over in PTC.
Brown is on a rampage to "get" Ken Steele. Doesn't matter that you do or don't like Steele, it is personal with Brown. He will go after him for awhile then change his aim to the 3 other Commissioners as soon as they don't elect him as Chairman. Won't be much of a civil Commission.
Smith is no longer in politics. He is simply one of Brown's "constituents." Yet Brown will continue to evoke his name to muddy it and show how he (Brown) is so much better. Smith is gone. Let him be.
If you, me, or any other "constituent" dare to cross Brown publicly, you will be branded a "developer" and attacked in Free Speech etc. Believe me, I know. You will definitely cease the status of "constituent." The definition of "constituent" to Brown is "those who support everything I want." Everyone else is a "developer" (except the Soccer Moms) who failed to vote for him in 2005 and caused his loss in PTC).
Brown will continue to write letters. He can't stop himself. But the topics will not be like Ramsey, explaining his votes and the bills he must decide, they will be attacks on those who oppose him and they will be self-serving "if they'd only listen to me, I'm the only one who knows" letters.

A record number may have shown for the swearing in, but in 2005 a record number showed to the poles (around 11,000) for a special election in Dec. to make sure Brown was booted in high fashion from PTC. I suspect the same in four years.

That Roly Poly will taste great (they always do)_but will come at a great cost.

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A lot of accusations

You are asserting much but it comes off as a rant if you do not back anything up.

Birdman, it is absolutely clear that you hate me and have doomed me to hell, but for the sake of decent public discourse, support your claims about “getting” Ken Steele and not representing the people of Peachtree City.

People are going to skip over your posts because they are so full of vitriol.

Let's have some public discussions on the issues. If I miss a post, contact me as you have my email address and phone number. Yes, our friendship was severed, but we do not have to pour it over people heads like burning hot oil.

Please let go of the hate so we can get down to discussing some vital issues facing Fayette County.

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clicked twice, sorry

You are asserting much but it comes off as a rant if you do not back anything up.

Birdman, it is absolutely clear that you hate me and have doomed me to hell, but for the sake of decent public discourse, support your claims about “getting” Ken Steele and not representing the people of Peachtree City.

People are going to skip over your posts because they are so full of vitriol.

Let's have some public discussions on the issues. If I miss a post, contact me as you have my email address and phone number. Yes, our friendship was severed, but we do not have to pour it over people heads like burning hot oil.

Please let go of the hate so we can get down to discussing some vital issues facing Fayette County.

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Birdbrain---- the one note horn

The only time you people pop up is to attack Steve Brown. LOL. Funny how you write nothing in several paragraphs that is positive EXCEPT leave Jack Smith alone. LOL.

Typical....those in the in-crowd get no acccountability and those outsiders that come in get the same broken record.

A whole lot of people voted Jack Smith OUT---- and did not necessarily vote for Steve Brown and its because the developer crowd was working the system. Time for a change !!! And why not continue to talk about what Smith did or did not do? Isn't that accountability? Look at all these recent people removed or resigned from office and no challenge. I say we get to talk about officials after they leave and that includes phony Jack Smith and dopey Eric Maxwell.

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Hey turtle boy, one other thing,

I pop up to stop Brown from ruining my property values, the reputation of our community, the terrible loss of revenue from his actions and words. So get used to it. Brown always used to say that it was our civic duty to hold our elected leaders accountable. That is until he was the one being held accountable. Then he would publicly attack, insult, lie, deceive, and of course his all time favorite, tell us how Jesus taught him to forgive (no that's LOL), and that the little kids love him.

But I don't want to spoil it for you. There are so many entertaining letters left for him to write.

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Birdman Bite Down On The Cyanide Tablet!!!

The last time I looked the tennis center was still there. And please stop supporting the development authority crooks!!!

You always charge Steve Brown with everything but your complaints are really a sad commentary about how petty you are. Your guys Harold Logsdon and Jack Smith stank to high heaven and you can't take it. You're a Christine O'Donnell with feathers.

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Spear Road Guy, I am not a witch

nor am I a developer. Brown changed the Tennis Center from "World Class" to "No Class." We used to hold many large tournaments here including the NCAA Finals. It was quite an economic boon to the community. But now, it's simply a "nice little tennis center." As for Jack Smith, not my guy. Don't know the man. Actually was never even much interested in the County Commission. Logsdon was elected because Brown was such an abysmal failure. Actually the city functioned better under Logsdon than it did Brown.
I only hold Brown accountable for his documented actions. He is the accuser. He accuses everyone of everything, but never seems to follow through. Smith is a good example. Brown clearly accuses Smith of conflict of interest and profiting from the West Fayette Bypass. This is clearly illegal either criminally or via ethics laws. Yet Brown has never produced any legal action, evidence, or proof of any kind. I don't defend Smith, don't really care one way or the other, but Brown did this to our former mayor, city attorney, city council members, state representatives, local officials, and many many private citizens. In fact when he had a meeting with our former mayor and a Citizen Reporter he accused the former mayor and others from profiting from the Development Authority loan. Our former mayor challenged Brown on the spot by telling him that if he could show where he or anyone else involved profited in any way he would pay Brown $100,000. But if he couldn't, Brown would resign as mayor. Brown immediately showed his yellow streak and refused. You see SRG, he is fast to accuse but fails to prove. Stand by. That will be the next four years. He got Smith, he's coming after Steele, who will be next?

And I'm not a witch. I'm nothing you've heard. I'm you.
None of us are perfect,

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Don't let them get to birdman. Half of them are brown

If you look at johenry, spear, doug, ccb - not only what they say, but also when they all joined this forum which was within a 6-week period in 2006 during the height of Steve Brown's inactivity after being beaten down by his 6 challangers and of course the voters, you can begin to believe that 2 or 3 of these guys is Brown himself. We already know Fran Sheldon (the red hat lady - really cute, Steve) is Brown, so the precedent for multiple identities is there. And no one in their right mind could believe that the brown clown is satisfied with just blogging under his own name.

Sure, Brown damaged the city - more than any other mayor or elected official. Sure, he will grandstand and disrupt county commission. Yes, he will turn on McCarty just like he did on Tenant and it will be amusing. And the best one in their 10-point pledge (cut and pasted from Nancy Pelosi's)-- to treat people with opposing views with extra respect, is just coffee-spitting funny.

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I have no doubt that Brown

is at least 3, maybe more, of the posters on this board. It's way too easy to spot.

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Thanks R. W.

I agree. But I do think Johenry is someone that Brown recruited from high school a number of years ago. He (?) once stated an allusion to age which led me to believe this. Stevie was big with the highschoolers when he ran in 2005.
I have been called lots of "fun" names (anonymously of course) by Brown and his minions. That is why I quit writing to the Citizen and just took up the blog. I don't appreciate the slimy shadow dwellers who will insult a citizen by name but not sign their own. So I simply took up the anonymity. But I think more people actually read this blog than the Citizen. I intend to hold Brown to his pledge (guess I should download a copy to keep his words for future use). I didn't like it when PTC was the laughing stock of Ga. and won't like it when Fayette County becomes the laughing stock of Ga. But this time Stevie will be called out by the entire county, not just PTC.
I suspect we'll be talking for....oh about the next 4 years.

Take care.

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Oh Birdman, get a life!

Go ask Don Haddix and Eric Imker who's paying for that "World Class" tennis action. I agree with Spear. My tax dollars are paying off their corruption.

At least Spear admitted Logsdon was a bust. And Bobby Lenox ain't no saint either, Birdman. Lenox was up to his ears in PCDC stuff. His attorney Jimmy Webb got the boot for his misbehavior.

Steve Brown is an honest guy. Too bad you don't run for office so we could pin your behind to the wall. I guess that's YOUR yellow streak.

And the Christine O'Donnell thing works.

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Johenry my old and extremely cowardly friend

Hey man(?) I missed you all these years. Remember our go around regarding Stevie Boy first opposing TDK, then supporting TDK, then opposing TDK? Remember I tried to get you to look up and actually READ Stevie's letter to the Citizen? But you refused and continually called me a liar? Then when I suggested we just continue privately through email....you simply faded away (pretty brave of you)? Yeah Johenry, the good old days are back.
Your tax dollars are paying off the Tennis Center because Brown purposefully defaulted on the loan. It was set up to be paid by Hotel/Motel Taxes which, unless you stay in a hotel, means ZERO out of your pocket. But as one of Browns GREATEST supporters, you wouldn't know about that, would you?
There was never any legal problems with the loan. Brown's own $50,000 Special Prosecuter and the County Courts verified that. Brown simply took it upon himself to defund the Development Authority and default on the loan, leading to an expensive lawsuit that we, the citizens lost, thanks to Former Mayor Brown (as he has been so fond of titling himself).
Lenox is no saint but neither is he a crook. At least he didn't get tagged for violating Ethics Laws.
Webb didn't "get the boot" for ANY misbehavior, that is only another unproved allegation by Stevie Boy. I suspect you'll challenge these last facts. Please, before we go around and around, simply show the evidence to support your argument (and "because Stevie says so" is not evidence).

"Steve is an honest guy" PLEASE!! GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

Not getting the Christine O'Donnell thing. She seems like your kind of person. Claimed to be "for the people" just like Brownie. Not really getting Spear's comment but it was funny.

So Johenry, looks like we're back in the arrow slinging business. I enjoyed my last four years off. But I have some spare time, I'll go head to head with you. Didn't enjoy it last time, won't enjoy it this time, But as your hero and mentor used to love to say, we, as Americans, just like our Founding Fathers, have a duty to hold our government accountable. Just doing my duty as Steve sees it.

See you soon.

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Ok tortugaocho lets talk about people removed from office

let's start with Brown. Two, count them TWO, Ethics violations. PTC Property tax increase of twenty-two percent, TWENTY-TWO PERCENT! $50,000 spent investigating the PCDC...that's $50,000!!! And the finding? No fraud, criminal action, or illegality of any kind. The purchase of 5 acres near Wynmeade to build a bridge to nowhere for a mere $1.4 million or so. Problem, no one wanted the bridge, the property was not such that the grade would be right for a bridge, the city didn't own the property on the otherside, and it wasn't budgeted for. All during a single meeting where the purchase was added to the agenda with little public notice (now that's transparent govt.). And let's not forget the complete destruction of the Tennis Center. The default on a loan that was slated to be paid back by Hotel/Motel taxes (not PTC residents) resulting in a huge legal loss and the residents picking up the tab.
And that doesn't even account for his actions regarding State Representatives, the County Commission, and the city governments of surrounding counties.

Yeah...we'll talk about officials after they leave. And the one we'll talk about most is BROWN!

Go ahead, sing his praises turtle boy, you'll be retreating into your shell soon enough.

Oh, one other question, exactly WHERE IS all this "development" that you, Brownie, and his minions keep talking about? I'm not seeing it.

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Birdman: Brown is the only

Birdman: Brown is the only elected official that you ever talk about. And, when "one of your own" (Jack Smith, Eric Maxwell, Carol Fritz) gets voted out you weep deep tears of regret and say "Let them be". You predictably never say anything about the defrocked good ole boys.

Another good one= Judge English. PTC Councilmember "Dreaming of being Mayor" Annie McMenamin used to ooh and aah about Pascal the Pervert. After English ruled for the Development Authority against Brown Annie chimed in : "Oh, we could never appeal Judge English. He's just too good." Then Annie's daughter's libido brings down one Judge and then English gets videotaped in a public sex act, prompting two Sheriffs to say "Boys will be boys. Oh yeah we erased the videotape." You never criticized him either.
And you never said anything when Rick Price got voted out....The list goes on and on. Only Brown...

LOL-- your agenda is the same ole good ole boys. Just be honest !

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birdman and CCB, you are both betting on the same thing

And that is that Brown tries to make it all about him at the expense of others. Duh!
Yes it will start with him being miffed that he's not chairperson and then start flogging that anti-WFB non-issue that got him and the other guy elected. And of course he will make it personal. If any of the other 3 commissioners own any property within 100 miles of the new road, they will be outed as developers and we will hear about that for years (but certainly only 4). Pay attention Fayette County voters, you won't believe what you just voted into office.

Of course it is possible that he turned Horgan and he wil be elected chairperson. Then it will be real entertaining. Expensive for the taxpayers, but entertaining. Also lucrative for the county attorney whoever that may be.

Oh yea, the other 3 will certainly be out in 2 years and that's where it really gets interesting. Brown will be orgasmatic about having 3 chances to get another ally or 2 on the commission with him and the other guy. Watch him and who he supports.

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Christine (I Mean Birdman)

Expressing your love of none other than Dan Tennant the family man who canned his wife and kids after the election. Did you get a little packet of ecstasy for Christmas??? Just say no Christine!!!

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Jeez Spear Road Guy

you type too fast. You aren't really keen at actually READING comments are you. "Brown and Tennant" were "Brown and McCarty" first phase. They ran together on their "grassroots" claim. When they won the offices, they were like Siamese Twins. But then....Tennant crossed Brown and from then on out became one of his greatest enemies. Brown would attack him in the Citizen and during Council meetings (quite low class I must say). Where did I ever say I supported Tennant?
Try reading the comments next time.
And don't type so fast, I can't keep up with you.

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Robert Morgan, you said it

Yeah, it'll be entertaining. I think it will be more fun if he isn't chairman because he'll keep mouthing off in the paper...wait...what am I thinking? He'll mouth off in the paper either way. But wait until McCarty makes the big mistake of crossing him. Remember after Dan Tenant crossed Brown? Brown went after Dan with an absolute vengence. You know, I really don't think the County Commission impacts PTC residents as much as the City Council. Hopefully that will help a bit. But like you said, it'll be interesting. We can only hope that the other 3 members keep Brown from completely destroying the county. Let's see, 11,000 turned out in PTC to vote him out. How many will turn out in 4 years to do likewise. Well, I'm sure his daughters room will need painting again in 4 years.

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CCB - two years

Two years, four years, it doesn't matter much. The fact is that those that are so eager to see our new members engaged, will be the first to complain about their performance. They will be saying the same thing four years from now, throw the bums out.

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County chairman

If you think the likes of Robert Horgan is going to support anything Steve and Allen plan to do you're crazy.

The people know Steve and Allen are going to do the honest thing.

Robert W. Morgan
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We, we, we. Looks like one of them plans to be chairperson

Good pledge. Impossible to meet, but good rhetoric. I'm guessing the fix is in with Horgan and he and the 2 newbies have already formed an alliance and one of the 3 will be chairperson. Hope I'm wrong, but we shall see.

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