Westmoreland endorses Gingrich for GOP nomination

Congressman Lynn Westmoreland. File photo.

Third District U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland, a former Fayette County resident, has endorsed Newt Gingrich for president.

“Newt is a true conservative and a proven leader who has focused his campaign on the issues, presenting real solutions to the problems facing our country today,” Congressman Westmoreland said. “He is uniting conservatives across the country and I believe he is the best man to defeat President Obama. I’m proud to put my support behind Newt and look forward to helping him win back the White House.”

“I’m delighted to have the support of my friend Lynn Westmoreland, a true conservative leader for Georgia,” Gingrich said today. “Our campaign continues to build momentum and enthusiasm, as voters increasingly understand that we are the conservative choice in this election.”

Westmoreland (R-3rd District) was first elected to Congress in 2004 and currently serves on the House Financial Services Committee and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. He lives in Grantville.

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Hey Lynn, your big thinker, Newt Getrich didn’t

even get on the ballot in Virginia. How can you expect him to be President of the US when he can’t even run an election campaign?

Are the freedom sucking child labor laws holding him back again?

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One in a line of many...

useless actions on the part of Lynn Westmoreland. A sycophantic waste of space. Good luck with THAT endorsement.

Lynn is seemingly incapable of an original thought and in total lockstep with Saxby and Johnny. These three represent only half of their constituents and lack the empathy and understanding to truly act as representatives for their districts. In short - a bad joke.

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Representative I guess

But I would still rather have someone with more capacity for critical thinking.

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Hey Lynn, did you hear that Newt Getrich,

as President, will arrest judges that don’t vote the way he wants? When he is done with the judges, what you gonna do when he comes for you?

BTW, how about cleaning up that mess in Grantville before Snow Bunny gets back from Las Vegas. Viva baby!

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It took Westmoreland about a week to sink Newt

Thanks a lot Congressman Westmoreland. Everybody on both sides was salivating over the prospects of Obama debating Gingrich until you endorsed Newt and apparently blew his chances:

Poll: Newt Gingrich's lead over Romney is gone

Whose up next? Perry... nah, Bachmann... no, Santorum... nope, Huntsman... maybe later, now it looks like it's Ron Paul's turn!

I like Ron Paul. May I please ask that the Republican representatives from our great state not endorse Ron Paul. It would just make him look weird if people thought you agreed with him on stuff.

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JeffeC, having fun yet?

I agree that this whole Republican thing is a comedy beyond belief.
Westmoreland had nothing to do with it.
Ron Paul is a cartoon character and has no chance.
Romney gets the nod and BHO gets the win.
Not what I want, but if the GOP insists upon idealogical purity and the candidate who is is the next old white guy in line - Prezbo wins.

I'm ok with that. I can escape, but my kids and grandkids???? Don't think I can help them that much and that pains me very much. Maybe buying term life insurance and hope to die early would be the best strategy.

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Kevink & Greg Davis

In his case, I think it was either "liberation" or "lockup" and "lockup" may still be in play. It's called "misuse of funds" and getting caught.

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Hey Lynn, did you dye your hair

or did you get hit with one of Newt's electromagnetic pulses?

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Hey Lynn, it's called "Just for Men" for a reason,

Women wouldn't dare put that crap on their hair CAUSE IT GIVES YOUR HAIR A GREEN TINT! Oh well, happy Halloween.

P.S. Are you sure Newt wanted your endorsement?

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Hey Lynn, the last time I drove through Grantville,

parts of it looked like Dresden after WWII, (or parts of Detroit now.) When are you going to clean that mess up?

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And what exactly do you

And what exactly do you propose for him to do?

BTW, Since you are so quick to tell Westmoreland that he needs to clean up his community, what have you done to improve your own community?

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Snow Bunny, I thought I was pretty clear

about what I want Lynn to do in Grantville?

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Gort wrote: When are you going to clean that mess up?

You ask, “What have I done to improve my own community? Well, let me tell you.

1. I work every day, take care of my family, pay my taxes, and donate to charities when I can.

2. I login to ‘The Citizen’ and poke rhetorical barbs at political adversaries that want to spend my tax money on causes I don’t believe in. And number 3,…

3. I forget the third thing. Sorry! Ops!

How about you? 8 - )

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I see, you expect

I see, you expect Westmoreland to clean up his community all on his own. Sounds like a democrat!

I really don't see what you have done as being community improvements but rather more of expectations. But we can play by your standards for now so not only do my husband & I work, pay taxes, and take care of our kids and donate when feasible as you do but we also:

put local citizens to work and pay them so they can do all those things too.
we donate our time to community in many different ways from adopting paths for clean-up to supporting local events to donating our time and money to improve our schools.

I don't believe in plans such as Medicare and Social Security (I know I could do better managing my retirement & healthcare) but I still have to pay in to them so as long as I have to use my money to pay into programs I don't like, why should you be any different?

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Snow Bunny, to be honest, I don’t expect anything from Lynn

Westmoreland except robocalls, junk mail, and his ridiculous devotion to the cult that has become the GOP. My hope was his vanity toward his home town would be equal to the vanity he has for his hair color.

In the case of his hair, it looks like he took the time to have it dyed so, maybe if I pointed out what his home town looked like, he would take care of it and “clean up the mess.”

You got me on the community service! My only defense is, when we were younger we were able to do more so, try not to judge me too harshly.

I’m sorry to hear you’re neglecting your “retirement and healthcare.” You will get older, and in all probability, will get sick when you’re not so young and strong.

One day, you may have to eat your words for what you say now about Medicare and Social Security.

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Neglecting our retirement?

I think you misunderstood, I have no intention of depending on Medicare or Social Security to support us later on in life or even believe that it will be there. We can do considerably better managing that money we are putting into this worthless system and have already taken care to make sure we will have money and healthcare when we choose to retire. As I said once before, we work, own several businesses, own several properties, have investments, money in the bank, etc. and really do not like the idea of sharing it with those who may not want to (I am NOT pointing the finger at seniors) and did all of this without help and not being afraid to work.

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Snow Bunny, it sounds like you are making a great success

of your life. I hope the fickle finger of fate never frowns on you and your family.

BTW, Lynn really does need to do something about Grantville. 8 - )

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Again I am going to ask, what

Again I am going to ask, what do you propose for him to do? "clean the mess up" is not a sufficient answer. Are you asking him to introduce federal legislation to revitalize it? Are you suggesting he personally buys the entire city and spruces it up? Are you suggesting he should open new business and hire locals? Please elaborate on what exactly you propose Westmoreland should be doing for Grantville?

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Snow Bunny, according to the headline and article

at the top of the page, Lynn is endorsing Newt GetRich for President. Once those ‘freedom sucking’ child labor laws are repealed, Lynn’s staff can issue some sledge hammers, shovels, wheelbarrows, and brooms to a kindergarten class and have them learn what the meaning of work is.

If the little whipper snappers refuse to work, the parents will not be allowed to claim them as a dependant when they file their income tax.

8 - )

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or..

We could continue down the Obama path for 4 more years and see our country turn into the U.S.S. (United Socialist States) at which point we won't need to worry so much about fixing up Grantville.

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Snow Bunny, don’t get angry, you asked

and I answered. No need for red baiting.

BTW, I don’t blame you because you didn’t vote for President Obama. I blame you because, (I presume,) you voted for President George W Bush!

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You still haven't (seriously)

You still haven't (seriously) answered my question so now it's my turn:

Barrack Obama still lists Chicago as being is hometown. Have you ever been to Chicago? There are some areas on the north side which look like they were just hit by an atomic bomb so when is Obama going to clean that mess up?

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I thought he already did

something about it. Didn’t Rahm Emanuel leave his staff and go back to Chicago and become mayor? The President was willing to give flesh and blood back to his adopted home town.

I imagine they have the same problems in Chicago as we do in Atlanta. Many people from the suburbs drive, (or take the train in Chicago,) into the city to earn a living, or enjoy the amenities of the city, and pay their taxes in another jurisdiction. It’s a wonder they are not more worn down than they are.

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Is that what happens when you

Is that what happens when you are the scapegoat of a failing White House Administration? your sent to Chicago..

From what I remember, Emmanuel was for the most part, was nudged (foot on ass with door open) into resigning as up to that point he was considered to be what was wrong with this administration.

BTW, There hasn't been a republican mayor in Chicago since before Capone. I'm pretty sure that my cat could win in Chicago provided it was a democrat.

As I said before, I'll back you on having Westmoreland clean up Grantville but I think our President needs to step up and show us all how it can be done by cleaning up the north side of Chicago. Fair is fair..

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Snow Bunny

Have you ever been to any so-called socialist countries in Europe? The people there are generally happy and going about their lives. How can that be?

Falcons win big! Saints up next on Monday Night Football! Where's Hank Jr.?

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You know this how? Did you

You know this how? Did you grow up in one of these countries? Do you have family there? My guess is you probably visited Moscow once and now think you know it all.

Would being born just outside of Kiev and having lived there for 21 years be enough for you? How about the fact that the majority of my family including both parents and 2 brothers and their families still live there today?

I will give you a few seconds to unlodge the foot from your mouth before telling you how wrong you are. People are content with their lives but by no means does that mean they are happy.

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Please don't confuse our Ninja with facts, he's so set in his ways. He has a perpetual smile on his face and wears rose colored glasses under that childish outfit.

People in socialist countries are all happy according to Ninja, he reads Pravda, aka NY Times.

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PTCO Burps Again!

I am very UNset in my ways, as a Ninja has to be. I AM set in that I consistently unmask the truth, no matter how hidden it may be. Did I not get Bunny to reveal that she is a Ukrainian immigrant? Do her jabs at Obama and 'socialism' in the US not make more sense now that you know her background? I would not expect someone who grew up under the domination of the great trailer park state of Russia or its aftermath to think any way other than the way the Bunny does. Similar to Rand's background. There are some things some people just can't overcome in this life. Perhaps in the next one...

Falcons will overcome to make it to the NFC championship game!

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Snow Bunny Honey

No, I lived in some of the more modern socialistic European countries, but not the trailer park ones. I did visit a few of the more backward ones before the breakup of the Soviet Union. Never been to Moscow though. Paid my taxes and national health premiums and all that too. Spent more than a decade in Asia living under socialized medicine. I think you have been forever ruined by having grown up in Ukraine. I would be an unhappy and paranoid person too had I lived under Russian rule or its aftermath. I am sorry for your loss of the opportunity to be happy. Perhaps your kids will fair better mentally here in the US. However, you seem to have an irrational fear of Obama. But, he is not coming to get you like the Ukrainian secret police, but I can see why you would think so. Your issues are with the Russians and what they did to your country and people, not Obama. That era is over. Time to move forward now. Might take many generations. There are many Scots Irish still fighting the US Civil War here in Fayette County.

BTW, do you think the Falcons will beat the Saints in the Superdome? I think they have a good chance.

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The only thing I am unhappy

The only thing I am unhappy with is Mr. Obama and his presidency. He has proven himself to be a major failure and hopefully will find himself out of politics and doing the lecture circuit soon enough. My dislike of Obama does not mean I would not have been more supportive of a different democratic president. I am not happy with what I am seeing or hearing so far out of the republicans but even their worst candidate is far cry better then what we have in the White House today.

I'll ignore the rest of your post as they appear to be just the ramblings of an uncivilized lunatic.

BTW, did you ever consider a carrer in politics? You would fit right with the way you try twist things around, fabricate things, and most of all seem to enjoy talking out your back-side.

Before I forget, I really don't care if the Falcons or Saints win. I have watched 1 American football game since coming to the country and found myself snoozing half way through it..

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Snow Bunny - legal?
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Before I forget, I really don't care if the Falcons or Saints win. I have watched 1 American football game since coming to the country and found myself snoozing half way through it..

Is this a 'legal' bunny? Canadian football is far more brutal than American football. Now as for soccer- well how many countries throughout the world play this game? When did Bunny come to America, enjoy the freedoms of this country, profit from the freedom to work hard and earn enough to live well - and develop this dislike for a president with a brown skin? I know, I know, race has nothing to do with it. But this person refers to a 'person' and not an ideology in their discourse. Snow Bunny, go back to your 'home' country. - I bet the taxes are lower and you can live well on what you've earned here.

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I came to this country in

I came to this country in 1995 and was naturalized in 1998 so this is my home country. I believe I have said that I do not like his policies and the way he is handling the country. Race does have nothing to do with it as I gladly would have supported Colin Powell or Condelezza Rice had they ran in 2008 and probably would have cast my vote for Herman Cain had he stayed in the race.
The fact is Barrack Obama is a phony who mesmerized Americans into believing he was the answer. My husband during the 2008 primary continually referred to him as Professor Harold Hill and how he convince people there was a boy's band when in fact there is none.

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Snow Bunny

Congratulations! Only three years to become naturalized ! I don't read this column daily, so I apologize if I've missed your reasons for your anti-Obama stand. We have a privacy policy in this country regarding our vote, but according to recent interviews given by General Powell and Dr. Rice, I doubt if either one voted for McCain. There have been followers of McConnell (R) who from the first day have worked hard to make sure that Obama would not succeed, in spite of the need of the American people. They even signed pledges not to raise taxes, even though the country was in worse condition than most of us realized and was in need of additional revenue. No matter ones economical beliefs, a working budget needs revenue as well as a renewed spending plan to remove deficits. You have implied that you are a job provider. Thank you. However, if the consumers aren't able to do their part - your business won't need 'employees'. That's the way it works with capitalism- as Henry Ford and China realized. The US provided 'Job's' to China and other countries so that business here could make a 'profit'. Blaming our problem on one man is juvenile. You've called others here 'lunatic '. Interesting. You are a voting citizen in America - after three years. My family arrived in this country in the 1700's. I just received the right to vote in Georgia in the 1960's. I know, I need to get over it - but sometimes it's difficult when I come across grown-ups like you.

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Where do we start..

Who General Powell or Dr. Rice voted for is none of my business nor do I care whom they voted for. They made the choice which they felt would be best and I respect them for that just as I respect you and anyone else for the choice they made. Saying that, I do expect the same courtesy from you and anyone else. What I actually said was that I would have supported either of them had they chosen to run in 2008.
The only thing I hold Obama for is the terrible job he has done running this country. I am guessing you did not vote for John McCain and one would hope that you chose not to vote for Obama strictly because of his skin color or their party affiliations but rather because of what John McCain had to say. I didn't like what Obama had to say nor did I think he was qualified to run this great country. Today, he continues to show me that his philosophy and policies are wrong and that my assumption in his qualifications were correct. You need to respect my right to that opinion as I respect your right to yours. Unless you can respect that right, you are the one being juvenile.
Before you get out the tar and feather for McConnell, let me remind you that the Democrats had control of both chambers and the presidency for 2 solid years and still managed to do nothing. Additional revenue can be achieved by also cutting spending. Before I raise prices, I will always look first to see if there is a way I could cut spending.
So, it is difficult to forget the past when you come across people like me? Please explain this to me?
What disturbs me is how some people will continue to bring up the distant past and try and lay blame in present day or assume just because I don't agree with the president and his policies that it is because of his skin color? You should be ashamed of yourself!
Maybe I should try and blame everyone for all the atrocities my ancestors endured during the numerous invasions of Ukraine. The horror stories my grandparents (god rest their souls) could have told you such as how my grandfather was tortured by Russian forces and only survived by pretending to be a deaf mute or how my grandmother was forced to work for a German family during WWII and repeatedly raped.
What happened in the past happened in a different time when the world was a very different place. Yes, you DO need to accept it.

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Snow Bunny

We start with "welcome to America" where we can freely discuss our differences without fear of punishment. My world
in this wonderful country did not change until the '60's. Many of my ancestors died for this country starting from the Revolution. You are a newcomer. They died so that you could come here and experience the freedom that was denied your grandparents. I am pleased that you are not anti- Obama because of the color of his skin - but you seemed tied to the talking points of the T-Party. Obama pledged that we would stop the war in Iraq. That has been achieved . The American people wanted those responsible for 9-11 dealt with. That has been achieved . The American people have witnessed that the pledged lack of cooperation with anything with Obama's support has made the US Congress completely useless. I question your sense of purpose/ loyalty when you would vote for anyone for President. In the state of Georgia, Obama is tied with Romney and Ginrich. Hmmmm. It looks like half of the citizens today in Georgia aren't as dissatisfied as you are with our President. Change is happening in our country - and in this state, you may be asked to show your papers. Keep them close. We have found that when one group is discriminated against, it doesn't take long for another group to be targeted. It appears that I'm not the only one who disagrees with you in this discussion. Thank you for participating. We all view our situation based on our experiences and perspective. You bring an interesting perspective. Racism in America is alive and well, and I will never accept it. Americans, by working together have erased many of the evil practices of yesteryear - but there are still those who choose to turn a blind eye to racist attitudes.
You have indicated that you are not one of those. Nor am I. There have been other persons of color to run for leadership in this country- and I supported 'white' candidates. Why? Because I believed in their ability to lead. I voted for Obama for the same reason- and will do so in 2012. The alternatives are not impressive IMO.

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Happy Holidays

My family and I will soon be on our way to Las Vegas for the holidays so I really do not have time to answer this with a proper response so please excuse me if I don't answer . My husband and I have agreed to leave our computers behind and devote this time to our family.
So I am going to leave this thread with a Happy Holiday wish to everyone out there. May you all have a safe Christmas and may 2012 turn out to be a more prosperous year for all..

See ya all next year!

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Dang D-Mom!

Whup up on somebody why don't you! I guess nobody better mess with the Falcons while D-mom's around! Rise Up! First time I've ever know you to tell anyone to go back home if they don't like it here! What you got against Ukrainians!:>

Can the Broncos Tebow past the Pats? I think not...

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Ukranians?

No one is asking to see their papers! Just sayin'.

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When they tore down the Berlin Wall

did they clean up the mess or does it still look like Lynn Westmoreland’s hometown of Grantville? 8 - )

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Ask him why he voted for a bill that ties our paycheck to a pipeline for big OIL.

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I am always fascinated by how

I am always fascinated by how fast the left will try and change the subject when put in a corner.

BTW, were you not aware that Westmoreland is an elected official? As someone from his district, you have the right to ask him that yourself.

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Snow Bunny. Speaking of changing the subject.

As I hear of how wonderful things are for you, I wonder how that can be true. With Obama ruining America, how can you afford property? Or employees? Haven't your tax rates skyrocketed (not talking about the Fayco and PTC tax hikes. Those were from Republicans so they're okay.)
Do you have your own police force? Do you have fire fighters under contract? Do you pave your own roads? Big one here: Did you contract your own military to help keep your country sovereign?
If any of your answers are "no," I submit to you that you are hypocriticaly enjoying socialism while berating it. Come out of the closet, like family values Mississippi Republican Greg Davis of Southaven just did. He can assure you it's quite liberating.

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As always you seemed confused on the proper role of government, but what can one expect? Government education I suppose?

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PTC Observer. Govt education once again trumps no education.

Herman Cain supporters and their defenders don't realize how ridiculous they sound when playing the "Obama isn't qualified to be President" laugh track. Uzbeki beki stan stan. LIL

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kevink - ?

What?

Mr. Obama is qualified to be President or he wouldn't be President.

Now if you mean we could have someone that has better experience, better judgment, a better grip on reality.....I would say yes we could. I don't believe that Mr. Cain happens to fall into camp BTW.

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After four years in office as the president, who has more or better experience being president than the one we have now?

Where do you think President Obama has lost his grip on reality? Name two. I will make it easy for your.

1.

2.

I guess you think having Capitol Hill police arrest activist federal judges indicates a grip on reality.

Have fun in Vegas with Snow Bunny!

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Ninja - Answers

Ninja, the fellow down the street running the 7 Eleven has more exprience running a enterprise than Mr. Obama, he simply continues to run for President.

Let's see there are so many to choose from........how about these two?

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RckGP_z6hQ

2. http://www.webojen.com/green-jobs-obama-praises-soci-t-solar-of-declares...

Now really Ninja are you so far gone into hyperspace that you can't see the lack of grip on reality that these two clip illustrate?

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PTCO, Was George W

out of touch with reality when he let the Chinese hold on to an E3 spy plane AND its crew for a good long while? I think the Chinese also had GWB issue a public apology for our spy plane bumping into one of their fighters before they would give it back. Don't you think the Chinese got a gooooooooood loooooooooong look at all the technology on that plane before GWB apologized, got down on his knees, and said pretty please to get our ACTUAL FULL-SIZED SPY PLANE, ALL THE SECRET GIZMOS, AND CREW back?

Did that make GWB unqualified for the office?

You really should get the pipes on your Malibu checked. I think they might be blowing fumes up through the floorboard!

I'm starting to think you might be a college student again!!!!

C'mon man, use that noggin for something useful and stop banging it against my Ninja armor! You gonna get a splitting headache!

BTW, I think the Falcons can take the Cowboys in Dallas. You?

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PTCO, You've Been Drinking That

untaxed whiskey down at the bikini girl jello-wrestling palace again. These say nothing about his competency to be president and you know it. As far as I know President Obama was not running that solar company. He merely gave a speech praising it at the time, when it looked like a good idea. Much like GWB and others did with the WMD intel right? As for the drone, if were really that chock full of top secret gear, why didn't the Air Force have some self-destruct stuff on it? As for asking for it back nicely, perhaps he shouldn't have said that in public so as to arouse the ire of the 'worrier' class Scots Irish among us, but what would you have him do--send in the 3rd Marines? It ain't that important! It's a radio controlled plane for gosh sakes. Do you go burn your neighbor's house down when he doesn't return your borrowed pliers? Get a grip man!

BTW, how do you think the Hawks will do this year?

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PTC Observer. Govt education once again trumps no education.

Herman Cain supporters and their defenders don't realize how ridiculous they sound when playing the "Obama isn't qualified to be President" laugh track. Uzbeki beki stan stan. LOL

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Since I doubt you ever lived

Since I doubt you ever lived under true Socialist rule, I'll excuse your ignorance.

How can I afford property and employees under Obama's presidency? It's called hard work and wise investing. The only difference is now I have to work longer under Obama then I did before..

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My dearest Snow Bunny Herman Cain supporter who thinks Obama

Is not qualified to be President. You wouldn't recognize an ironic opinion if it hit you in the face like a cold slice of pizza.

Since you know socialism, what has changed towards socialism here, which requires you to work longer? The tax cuts Obama has continued?

I do suggest you keep your naturalization papers on your person. As a Mercedes exec learned in Alabama last month, these Republican law makers will lock you up in a heartbeat if you don't respond to "papers please."

By the way, before the "more qualified to be president" Herman Cain dropped out of the GOP primary due to his political and personal ineptitude, did he ever learn that China has nuclear weapons?

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Just the facts..

Let's start off with the Mercedes Executive and what really happened:

A Mercedes (registered to a rental company) was stopped for not having registration tags, The driver was a German national (not a US Citizen) and was unable to produce a valid drivers license or any kind identity papers. The man was not detained because he was a German national but because he was not in possession of legal documentation in order to operate the vehicle. The matter was resolved when his colleague returned with the man's driver license and German passport.

So, Am I to believe that you have no issue with someone being behind the wheel of an automobile without any kind of proof of identity or authority to operate the vehicle? There are number of states where laws have been on the books for ages that mandate you produce proper identification for any type of traffic infraction (and the includes operating a bicycle)

As for the rest of your rant, I'm just going to say that we are not going to agree on so better to discontinue this discussion. Obviously, you think Obama is well qualified and doing one hell of a great job. I on the other hand think the American people made a terrible mistake in 2008 and elected someone who was not fit for the job and am looking forward to the day he can write about his time in the White House & do the lecture circuit.

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Facts, Snowbunny? Yes, let's talk facts.

You said Detlev Hager was "stopped." I said "locked up." Why? Because he, like Honda exec Ichiro Yada was LOCKED UP by the over reaching laws of BIG GOVERNMENT "papers please" Republicans. What use to be a citation now required law enforcement authorities to cart folks off to the Stalag Luft. That's why Alabama police chiefs Steven Anderson and Robert Green as well as Sheriff Ted Sexton publicly came out against this embarrassing GOP big government law. As a matter of fact, Alabama Governor Robert Bentley is rethinking his State's over reaching, big government law. It was in all the papers, Bunny.

http://www.examiner.com/immigration-in-tucson/ala-gov-rethinking-controv...

How'd you miss it? You seemed to have all of the less important facts that suited you. Can't pet the details though.

Anyhow, your team hasn't shown much interest in the economy. Your team has focused on voting rights, eggs and sperm, and throwing people in jail if their papers aren't right. That's why Alabama is about to lose a $100 million Chinese plant. The company said they don't "feel welcome because of Alabama's immigration law."

But keep your Herman Cain sticker proudly displayed. Just like the McCain Palin crowd, you can proudly proclaim you voted for the loser when our President starts his second term. It's a shame you didn't get to enjoy your world with Bin Laden still in it. That darned incompetent Obama!

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Opinion of a 31 year vet of the LAPD

Mr. Hager was legally stopped and arrested from everything I have read. Mr. Hager was unable to prove his identity and I have arrested a number of people in the 31 years in which I served with the LAPD for the very same thing. It does not appear Mr. Hager was arrested because he was a foreign national nor did his status come into question initially. This appears to have been strictly an issue of his not having way to prove who he was. Keep in mind that without proof of identity, the officer was not sure if in fact he was stopping Mr. Hager, executive from Mercedes-Benz or Mr. Hager, wanted felon or Joe Smith. We have been asking people to prove their identity pretty much forever and people have seen their freedoms taken away and have even died due to mis-identification. You are asked to prove your identity almost everyday so why should Mr. Hager have received a pass? During my time on the force we typically would only issue citations to individuals for driving without a license who lived within the state of California and were able to sufficiently prove their identity in some other form.
Mr. Yada, the executive from Honda on the other hand was not "locked up' as he was able to prove identity & proved and that he was legally entitled to operate a motor vehicle. Mr. Yada wrongly received a citation at a 'checkpoint' by an improperly trained officer. The local authority should be embarrassed by the incident involving with Mr. Yada and heads should roll for that one.
I am not a fan of police checking immigration status of those who have been stopped as was the case with Mr. Yada who was also required to show a work authorization and believe that needs to come to and end but when it comes to asking someone to prove their identity, I'm all for it.

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I love LAPD! Thanks for sharing. Outstanding officers and department. . .as your sharing indicates!

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Bigfoot : Your opinion?

Well expressed. Your point? Well taken. Your contributions? Refreshing.

Thanks. Cheers!

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At least the Governor of Alabama identified the problem and is working to correct it. Obama adds to the problem and the blames Bush and the Republican Congress for his own complete ineptitude.

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Grizz. Snow Bunny and I were exchanging facts. Facts like.....

Under the Obama White House we are deporting illegal aliens at a higher rate than any previous time in history... EVER. 400,000 deportations in FY 2011. I just helped ice get rid of a couple this weekend.

I commend you for this: No one here; and I mean NO ONE; has the ability to type as many words as you do and yet say absolutely nothing. It's actually kind of a cool talent. In the words of Rick Perry, "You go girl!"

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Yes but...

I hate it when an administration tries to spin something like this. Obama has done a great job deporting illegals but the truth is we are not comparing like for like. There are over 2500 more I.C.E. agents today then there were in FY 2008 plus I.C.E. has also implemented a number of new technological advancements which were not available in FY 2008 so I would expect to see an increase. I suspect if we come and visit this again in 5 years that President will be boasting about he deported more illegals than Obama did.

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"Yes but" bigfoot?

So a joker above says "Obama adds to the problem" of illegal immigration, and you are mute. A couple of us fact-based liberals post pure deportation facts, so far unchallenged, and you call THIS "spin?"

Good luck trying to support any argument that this administration is "adding" to the illegal immigration problem, which is the only "spin" I see on this subject.

You said yourself that "Obama has done a great job deporting illegals." Was that political spin or an opinion supported by facts?

As conservatives tell us there are too many govt employees, (ICE agents are govt employees BTW) I wonder how they would continue increased results as they cut human resources?

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Excuse me.

I chose to reply to your message based on what appeared to have been a mature and intelligent response, I will just assume you just had a brain fart this time and we can move on.
I think you ought to know that I do consider myself a Republican but have voted Democrat in the last 2 elections and as it stands this moment will be voting for Obama again in 2012.

What I call 'spin' is an administration (federal, state, municipality, business, girl scout troop, whatever) try and sell how much more effective the current FY year or administration is compared to the previous one but fail to mention all of the details. A good example of this is someone who owns a business bragging about how much more money they brought in during the year but failing to mention they are now open 4 extra hours a day and raised all their prices by a dime. Every administration is guilty of committing this sin so please do not take my comments as an attack on Obama.
Yes, Obama has deported more people in FY 2011 than Bush did in FY 2008 but more agents and advancements in technology has just as much to do with it than anything. For fun, let's see if I can make the argument for the other side. If we looked at these numbers in percentage, There is roughly a 15% difference between the number of people deported during FY 2008 and FY 2011. Now, let's look at the numbers between George W's first term FY 2004 and his second term FY 2008. There you will see a 99% increase. Yes, 99% (174000 to 350000). Now let's compare FY 2010 to FY 2011 and FY 2007 to FY 2008. The difference between FY 2010 and FY 2011 is around a 2% increase while the difference between FY 2007 and FY 2008 is roughly 20%. Just looking at those facts, one could easily be persuaded to believe Obama has not done as good of job as a previous administration even though he has the luxury of more manpower and advanced technologies.
What you should have been pushing is not the record number of deportations but the dramatic increase in the number of violent offenders who were deported, a 70% increase over FY 2008. That is what impressed me and not the pissing contest as to who sent more home then the other.
Anyone who understands Republicans would know that when it comes to government employees, there is never enough military, and people to enforce our borders.

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Bigfoot. Not sure I smelt it.

If I dealt it. Attacks on Obama are nothing new here. I'm just here to point out the absurdity of saying this administration has compounded the immigration problem. Quite often here the conservative coalition will ignore absurd and provably false attacks on their least favorite president. That usually gets me off of the couch. I'll keep your voting record our secret. Some of these folks will even turn on the long blue line if they break formation ;-)

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I do not believe I attacked

I do not believe I attacked Obama nor did I accuse his administration of compounding the immigration problem. Did I? The data you were so bent on arguing about, the record number of deportations could easily be turned to show that Obama was soft on immigration but the one fact you chose to ignore, the increase in violent offenders being deported can not. The number of illegals who are deported each year typically will always rise as this is the only way I.C.E. can justify it's existence & number of employee's. Let's revisit this area again when there is a new President (be it Democrat or Republican) and see if the numbers continue to rise and what new record they have achieved.
I'm sure if I spent the time and went back in this forum, I could find numerous attacks against George W. Bush and just maybe a few members of congress ;-) So are we sure it is just conservatives who ignore the absurd and falsely attack? If this system banned attacks against political figures it would be a mighty lonely place.

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Sorry I wasn't clear bigfoot.

The one attacking was Grizz. I just try to not name her or him too often. Don't want the big bear to think I'm developing a crush. The conversation with YOU has continued to be as my first post expressed; a pleasure!

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kevink & deporting illegals

Deporting is good--closing the border & preventing illegals from entering would be better. NO administration has been successful at that, regardless of the emphasis (real or make-believe) assigned to such a mission. Man on the moon? Can do. Close the border to illegals? NO CAN DO!

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Athome. There's no beer on the moon :-)

That must explain something :-)

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kevink & beer

funny you should mention that--what say you to another meet before you head back to Okieland? Mike is in after Friday.

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Athome. I only have this evening.

Off to work tomorrow. Back Monday. Just say the word and I'll be there.

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kevink

You left off the fact that the Obama White House also lost a valuable spy drone to the Iranians and spent/wasted more taxpayer money than any previous President - EVER.

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Grizz

Are you saying Obama was controlling this drone in the WH while it flew over Iran? WOW you are out there as others have said.

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Did he deport all of those illegals from his office in the White House? If he gets credit for getting OBL and deporting all the illegals, then he gets credit for the drone loss as well. He has to man-up and take the good with the bad.
Oh, darn. That's right, we're talking about Obama the incredible, incompetent dufus here. It's all Bush's fault! Never mind.

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Obama vs. Congress

Obama's approval record went up since the fiasco from the House of Representatives this week. It will be interesting to see this drama play out. Will the Republicans really allow this to happen? It seems as if the country is interpreting this as Obama finally standing up to the House - which has never cooperated with him and giving him credit for standing his ground behind the bipartisan vote of the Senate. Why trust the House this time? Even John McCain and other Republicans - plus the Wall Street Journal are questioning the wisdom of this action of the House. It appears that the Speaker has no control over the T-Party representatives. The 'drama' is hurting the two party system - and certainly the Speaker's leadership ability IMO.

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DM

Wisdom states that a two month extension is simply not enough time to implement the change. Face it, you have a pompous ass running the Senate, a hard head running the House, and a President incapable of keeping his word (you do remember that it was the President that asked for a one year extension).

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I agree - but I also remember that the President asked for a bipartisan bill that would extend the tax cut. If the Republicans and Democrats in the Senate could reach the two month agreement at this late date - then at least the American people don't have to have this additional stress of not knowing what the paycheck will be in 2012. This attempt of the Republicans to check-mate the Democrats is ill-advised and has worked against them and the American people. No doubt a one year extension makes better sense - but we haven't had 'sense' from this Congress for years. Two months gives this unimpressive Congress time to work out the best implementation without taking the tax cut from the middle class at this time. 10 days! The drama is sad. Maybe we wouldn't be at this impasse if Obama had stood up to this game before now. At this point, many feel that the Speaker has no leadership skills to bring the T-Party Republicans/Democrats around. I feel it isn't even fair to say that these radical representatives represent the thinking of all in the T-Party.

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Grizz The Fizz

No, Bush just let the Chinese have an ACTUAL FULL-SIZED SPY PLANE CHOCK FULL OF TOP-SECRET GEAR AND THE CREW for a few weeks. Until he apologized that is!

Q: Where does a Grizz go poo?
A: On his own feet.

Falcons gonna win in the other dome on Monday night!

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If the spy drone was so technically sophisticated

the US couldn’t risk losing one, why would we risk it in an operation?

The cover story was we lost control of the drone. When I seen the picture of the drone and how in tact it was I couldn’t help but wonder if we really lost it or did we purposely send it to Iran to remind them we’re looking over their shoulder.

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That's one weird argument right there grizz

Far from an incredible, incompetent dufus, Obama has been tough and effective in decimating al-Queda. He's gotten Osama and at least 21 other top terrorist leaders. I'd like to see you try to back up your characterization.

The Obama administration has deported about 1.06 million illegal immigrants in his first 2 1/2 years as opposed to 1.57 million in Bush's two full presidential terms. At this rate, Obama will have deported as many illegals in his first term as Bush did in two terms.

And to you a counterbalance to these stunning successes is that we lost a drone spy plane, as if there might be some remote equivalence there?

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Hello Jeff...

...Good to hear your thoughts concerning the decimation of al-Queda especially when most of us thought they were pretty much reduced to a few scattered cells by January 2009. At least that explains the logic behind the Nobel Peace Prize for running a campaign. The beef up in ICE, Homeland Security, etc during the Bush years had little to do with this increase in deportations, but I digress.

I will give him credit, he only lost a drone not a complete plane.

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Yeah Mike... but

I don't think grizz knew about the illegal immigrant deportation numbers just like earlier this year when everybody here was moaning about how Obama was destroying the oil industry until we libs pointed out that domestic production was higher than when Bush was prez.

And there is an eight point buck standing in my yard right out the window. You don't see that often here.

Anyway, my point is that it's not necessary to make stuff up or invent facts. If you look hard, you can find legitimate stuff to criticize Obama for.

Merry Christmas!

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You are indeed correct.

It would be nice to post a photo of the deer.

Merry Christmas to you and yours!

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JeffC & the Buck

Never had one of those in my back yard but have had as many as 13 at one time assaulting one of our persimmon trees back there!

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Mike & the UAV

Hey Mike,it's only a $6M bird! And it doesn't matter why or how it came to land in Iran-and while I'm a technical person, I don't know how much, if any info is stored internally on the bird--basically, it's a "real-time" down-linked transmission of info (I think primarily visual) to ground stations for their analysis and decision making--be it nothing or missile launch from the platform.

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Grizz are you smarter than a 1st grader

Do policies enacted by the Gov't increase deportation of illegals?

Do the policies enacted by the Gov't cause a mechanical failure of a drone?

Take your time and really think before answering. No eraser marks, the marks might point to cheating.

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Dang! Snow Bunny just ran to Vegas!

Can't argue with family time. Such a precious commodity.
But why do bloggers always leave when the questions get good >:-) ?

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Snow Bunny Funny

See Bunny hop. See Bunny blog. Snow Bunny Funny. Funny Snow Bunny. Funny Funny Bunny.

Since you said ANY of the republican candidates, including Herman Cain, whom I believe you said was near the top of your list, was FAR better than President Obama, can you name three specific areas where Herman is superior in terms of qualifications for sitting in the Oval Office. I'll make it easy for you. Just fill in the blanks.

Ras:

Dva:

Tri:

Moje sudno na povitrianij podušci napovnene vuhrami!

BTW, did you watch the Broncos-Patriots game last night?

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My Hovercraft is full of eels

Did Michael Palin translate that for you?

I guess Jesus is a Patriot.

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. . . And you got after me for sort of whipping Snow Bunny? LOL. It was a good game! I love this season! Fortunately, so does my family. I guess American football is an acquired taste. Americans have the choice! :-)

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Since Herman is out of the

Since Herman is out of the race, it's kind of a moot point.

As for the game, I'm sorry I thought it would be more enjoyable to spend the evening with my family..

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Runny Bunny

I see you are running away from the issue like a scared jack rabbit! Well, insert you favorite repub candidate since the Godfather is out. I will make it easy again. I will even give you list to choose from, in case you don't know the current candidates.

Romney
Gingrich
Bachman
Perry
Paul
That other Mormon guy--I forgot his name

Ras:

Dva:

Tri:

Chočeš zi mnoiu potanciuvaty?

You can spend time with your family anytime. You can only see Tebow once a week! Where is your immigrant American spirit!?

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BTW, No thank you! Happy

BTW, No thank you!

Happy Holidays