3 robbers thwarted when man says, ‘No,’ walks off, flags down cop

3 robbers thwarted when man says, ‘No,’ walks off, flags down cop

An attempted armed robbery Sunday night at the Fayette Pavilion by teenagers from Riverdale did not go the way they planned.

The man they approached at gunpoint said, “No,” refused to give up his vehicle and walked back toward the Kohl’s department store.

The flummoxed would-be robbers were caught a short time later after a Fayetteville cop patrolling the Pavilion alerted other officers.

Det. Mike Whitlow said the incident occurred just after 6 p.m. when a man from out of state exited Kohl’s and was met at his rental car by two males who demanded that the man give them his vehicle. One of the males produced a handgun. The man refused and walked away, Whitlow said.

As he walked away to the store, the man flagged down a Fayetteville officer patrolling the area and told him what had happened, Whitlow said.

Whitlow said the man gave a description of the two males and officers were able to obtain a description of their vehicle from the store’s video cameras.

The suspect vehicle was spotted by a Fayetteville officer on Ga. Highway 314. The officer and units from the sheriff’s office pursued the vehicle that was subsequently abandoned behind a church on Kenwood Road, Whitlow said.

“There were three people in the vehicle. One got away, but we know who he is. Deputies caught the other two in Princeton Chase subdivision.”

The two males taken into custody were Riverdale residents ages 14 and 16, said Whitlow.

Whitlow said suspect vehicle had been stolen in Atlanta during a carjacking.

“The added police presence at the Pavilion paid off,” Whitlow said. “And that police presence will continue throughout the upcoming holidays.”

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Just say 'No'

.....to the culture of crime that has invaded Fayetteville. The best way to say 'No', is by using a loaded weapon to fend off those that would try to do you harm.

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DM's schtick

DM has done little more than provide tu quoque logical fallacy cover -- a hook onto which you never tire of biting.

She's either a troll, a fool or working an agenda. I've read enough of her replies to believe she is no fool and she is too committed to one stream of thought to be a troll.

Go hang out at Driver Services in Fayetteville and you will quickly understand that the county's NAACP president was not speaking out of his backside.

I do not disagree with much of what she says, by the by. She is focused on the root cause of issues causing concern -- and I admire her for that. The cycle will continue until broken. The problem is, most of us are unwilling to put it all on the line and forsake the basic principle of NIMBY to help break that cycle. Let change happen elsewhere. Those who disagree can peruse a plethora of high school fights uploaded to Youtube and draw their own conclusions when contemplating their children's future.

But take heart, in ten years' time when Fayette is Clayton County's twin sister, you can turn to this forum and hear tu quoque arguments from DM about how some paleface somewhere did the same or worse.

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Change

Change has happened in some southern towns in this country. Current 'pale faces' throughout our country are not all running from change. 50 years ago, when a minority moved into a community, the 'whites' ran or made the minority unwelcomed. Today, younger families are not so reactionary. I have been in an integrated community in Fayetteville Georgia for 10 years. It is not just a housing development, but a real community. When some young residents took a financial hit during the recession and had to move, we wondered if this was the beginning of 'white flight'. Well, our new neighbors are 'white' either retired or raising a family and their main concern is not the color of our skin, but how we maintain our property and treat their chikdren . I hope I am still here in 10 years to see Fayetteville still an integrated community of citizens who are hard workers, well educated, and fiscally sound. Cycles can be broken.

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Main concern? DM

You mean they aren't at all concerned with the crime in the area?

It is you and your neighbors that will feel the impact of the crime issue first, so I would suggest that it's in your best interest to demand some changes up there on the North side of the county, or you'll be looking at empty buildings AND homes. You can deny it all you want, but color has nothing to do with what's going to happen up there. Economy or no economy, getting shot is getting shot.

I agree with you, cycles can be broken and so can the crime cycle. You'd better get organized to combat it.

Everything is not rosy DM and you're bright of enough to know it, ignore it at the cost of your north Fayette community and eventually the rest of the county as well.

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LOL

Several got a laugh out of your sharing. Imagine telling a 74 year old black American that everything's not Rosy!!! American activists along with many others have organized for change and have been successful.. If change comes, the lesson learned is to remain vigilant so that the good aspect of the change is not lost. Harmony and peace requires work. We in Fayetteville, with the cooperation of good leaders who listen; effective law enforcement; and cooperative businesses have noted growth and improvement in spite of the challenges of crime from other counties. As long as future residents have similar goals and kindred tastes, we'll be fine. We don't chastise and belittle our leaders in public, but meet with them and participate in reasoned dialogue.

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Laugh? DM

Laugh all you want, it's your future.

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Mandela's Gift to Humanity

Peaceful reconciliation after ending apartheid . If we had utilized his methods, we might not be involved in discussions of race relations in the US today. May he rest in peace.

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Mandela

Mandela was open to peaceful reconciliation long before Apartheid ended, even though he had signed off on some rather nasty guerilla attacks. If one reads his address to the court before being convicted in 1964, he clearly makes the case for a South Africa that included all. He was simply willing to fight back. Those who have seen a township up close and personal would find it hard to fault him for it.

His real contribution was being able to overcome his personal feelings -- whatever the were -- for the greater good. By doing so, he saved tens of thousands of lives. Had he emerged from prison with fire in his eyes and a head of steam, the country would have bathed in blood.

It is odd how many who criticize his early involvement with guerilla warefare admire the Revolutionary fighters at Lexington and Concord who did much the same thing.

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Mandela & Our Flag

Clearly, Mandela was an extraordinary human being and I realize that the POTUS can order our flag lowered for any former Head of State. I
doubt that the family of Margaret Thatcher, former Head of State of our closest Ally, is smiling right now!

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the source of the tribute, why would a socialist lower our flag for Lady Thatcher? Without pressure from the American people, I am not sure he would have done it for President Reagan.

President Mandela, deserves the honor and so did Lady Thatcher, to Mr. Obama's everlasting disgrace as the leader of the free world.

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Yes, I know--it just pisses me off that our Nation intentionally failed to properly respect a fallen leader of our closest ally yet chooses to give all honors to someone who was a proven leader in equality of racial leadership. in a distant country. Yes, I know where the decision came from--or I think I do--but it doesn't do much for our national image.

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But that's my point AHG, our Nation didn't fail to recognize Lady Thatcher's achievements, our President did. It's his character that is reflected in his actions, not our Nation. American democracy has elected many scoundrels, Mr. Obama is just the latest.

I can remember Lady Thatcher's speech at Mr. Reagan's funeral, as sick as she was she made the long journey to memorialize the great man. Such leaders may come once in a generation. This generation only reads about Mr. Reagan and Lady Thatcher in leftist's school books, they are marginalized as artifacts of a bygone era. Students may never know the truth of how it was then. Both our nations remade by these two great leaders from the ashes of post WWII socialist dogma, 17 percent inflation, 70 percent tax rates, stagflation and a weak and defeatist socialist President. The leftists have had twenty plus years to rewrite history and minimize the legacy of these two great leaders. Don't ever be surprised by what our current President will do to discredit his philosophical opponents.

One day in the not too distant future, our Nation will return to it's principles, throw off the yoke of statism and cast out those that would suppress the natural spirit of man to be free of government interference in their lives. It's coming AHG, just not fast enough for most. The American people are just beginning to realize what socialist principles can do to their individual lives.

Let's hope that it's not too late for us to overcome the damage done by these corrupt elitists.

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Lady Thatcher & Memories

Perhaps most memorable was when she said to the President: "Don't go wobbly on me now!"

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AHG - I'd

forgotten this one, if you want to hear the account of this in context go here:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/apr/10/dick-chen...

Again a leftist press has taken this encounter to make Mr. Bush look bad. He didn't need the help.

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AHG

Your point is understood. Margaret Thatcher and the British people supported Mandela and the fight against apartheid before the US Government responded to student demands for our government to divest in South Africa. I'm sure both leaders are smiling in heaven. And I would be surprised if the family of the former PM has the feelings that you are inferring. The Brits were a supportive ally of Mandela and his fight for a united South Africa. He led through reconciliation, compassion, and an attitude of forgiveness that is unparalleled in written history. Madiba was an ally of mankind.

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And who

And who would have the most myopic perspective of them all?

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He wasn't a god
Davids mom wrote:

He led through reconciliation, compassion, and an attitude of forgiveness that is unparalleled in written history. Madiba was an ally of mankind.

Really? He was better than Jesus?
Mandela was a mere marxist man. You libs always like to proclaim your idols as some sort of deity.

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Mandela

Followed the guidelines that Jesus demonstrated for mankind. Through history there are men and women that accomplished this. They saw/see ' man' in God's image and likeness. (Not color and/or nation). Sorry Mandela's color and nationality is disturbing to you. The rest of the world, not just the US, is celebrating his contribution of reconciling a country that had suffered violence because of the failure to advance dignity and freedom to all of its inhabitants. Thanks Mr. Garvin for giving me the opportunity to share my thoughts, which are contrary to yours, in public.

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Not so fast

You stated that he had an "attitude of forgiveness that was unparalleled in written history". You put him above God.

I never mentioned race or nationality. Why do you have to drag it into every conversation? You are nothing but an racist bigot.

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Fred, Fred, Fred....

That is not how it works around here. Even though you never brought up his nationality or color, that was really what you were thinking. See, DRM knows the evil that hides in all white people and works here to expose it. It's the same thing when people criticize Barry. It's not because he is a power-hungry fool, completely in over his head, who thinks he can run your life better that you. No, any criticism is really because.....he be black.

What else do you expect from the resident racist troll? She is projecting her fossilized hatred of whitey on you and most of us. She knows you really feel that way simply because that is how she is wired. It is inside her, so it must be inside you too.....

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Another week of this ongoing nonsense wasted on one troll.

Who is anyone to question the truth coming from Barry?

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/howie_carr/2013/12/carr_...

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What was the big deal about the idiot masquerading as a sign language interpreter at the Mandela memorial service? He was standing three feet from an empty suit who has been masquerading as being presidential....for five years. Isn't that substantially worse????

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Dadgummit MOC!!!!

Next time warn us when you're going to post something that hilarious. Now I have to clean my monitor!!!!

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Cy

Sorry to catch you off guard brother Cy!!! It is a rainy Saturday and I'm a little bored.....

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moc-Liar, liar, pants on fire...

"I've been doing this job for years and have never had any complaints."

Alright, now guess which one of them said it....!

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While Barry may be a world class liar, even he couldn't float that whopper. So, I have to go with the sign whisperer. This dude took the wrong path somewhere along the line. Look how far Barry got with his lying and pretending. You got mad skills like that, you gotta stay focused....

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Obama the LIAR

Obama doesn't know how to tell the truth. He has been lying to America for so long, he doesn't even know what truth is anymore.
Barry Soetero, a.k.a, the 'disaster-in-chief' is a socialist with a chip on his shoulder and obviously wants to destroy the country.
He certainly doesn't know how to help build it up. He only knows how to bring people down. He won't be happy until we are all serfs working for the federal gubbermint and standing in line waiting for gubbermint cheese to be handed out.

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DM, et al--Unless the perp is stealing a loaf of bread, a gallon

of milk and a package of bologna to feed their family, I think blaming crime on the ecomony is a bunch of bunk. An honest person is not going to steal unless it is to feed their family and some would not even then. I think if a study was ever done on what the thieves spent their ill gotten gains on, it would not be food and shelter. And often these crooks steal someone's car as a get-away-car to boot.

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this one must have been hungry too
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And often these crooks steal someone's car as a get-away-car to boot.

Like the couple arrested in Atlanta today. Income does not determine criminal activity. Geez - some of the biggest crooks in this country could settle the national debt! Rich people of all races get involved in criminal activity. It's too bad we have hungry citizens who may resort to crime.

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dm, you certainly like to digress and always in one direction.

We were discussing the crimes committed in this area. And all these little punks holding up people were doing that before the economy went south. I am sick to death with people using the excuse that these crimes are being committed because people are hungry.

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Mytimite

I said;

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This discussion was focused on causes and possible solutions to criminal activity until your buddy introduced the color of the perpetrators and indicated that the African American community was a community of hate and violence.

Right? Mr. Garvin, the real racial troll of Fayette County just follows what his hateful handlers direct. There are many like him in our country. Fortunately, most people don't confuse all conservatives with hateful bigots. You're not a bigot - right? I will continue to voice my opinion regarding race in our country and the world . My original contribution to the discussion did involve FC and the Pavilion until Mr. Garvin shared his bigoted opinion. Mytimite, I don't respect you and you don't respect me. That's a given that everyone understands. Have a nice day.

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Handlers?
Davids mom wrote:

Mr. Garvin, the real racial troll of Fayette County just follows what his hateful handlers direct.

If you know so much about me, who are my 'handlers', DM? I didn't know that I had handlers, or are you just spewing your crap laced lies again in order to discredit those that publish FACTS that you don't like to hear. What's bigoted about posting FACTS regarding the rate of crime in the black community?

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FACTS/STATISTICS

The rate of crime in any community does not define the 'culture of that community as one of 'hate and violence'.

There are those in other countries that use the crime statistics of the United States - and equates those statistics with a culture of hate and violence. Do you agree with them? A rhetorical question. Your answer is not important to me. There are too many in this county and in this country who do not represent a 'culture' of hate and violence I don't consider you a member of that group..

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so now it is Mr Garvin

before that you were calling someone else a hateful bigot. We have all made your list as top bigot at one point or another. Have you ever thought it just might be you? You continually bring race into the forefront of every conversation. You with your hateful racist bs constantly stir the pot. Year after year, different people have told you this on this blog. Is it everyone else? I have said before that I think you are mentally ill. You are either ill or several NAACP workers tag teaming to keep hatred stirred up and job security. If you are one person, you are pure evil and hate your own race as you are the biggest agitator I've ever seen.

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Suggarfoot, the great one

There are only one or two ignorant bigots that have expressed themselves in this discussion. Others have expressed their opinions respectfully. Because one does not agree with an opinion does not make one a bigot in my opinion. Ones words which denigrate based on skin color makes one a bigot. If my opinion makes you feel that one old black woman could not possibly express herself on this page - and it must be a group - you are really one example of false superiority in action. Skin color and an appendage between the legs does not make one superior. I am not mentally ill - and admittedly from a different era. I have learned why some here feel as they do. They are not bigoted, but like me, have a perspective based on their personal experience. One learns from others who have had different experiences, if one is not afraid to learn. In this discussion, Mr. Garvin expressed ignorance and hatred - and you apparently agree with him. Thanks for sharing.

PS. Is it hatred to want our Constitution and the rights and protections it designates to its citizens to be equally applied to all citizens regardless of race, gender, or religion? I love this country, I love my neighbors, and I love Fayetteville, Ga. No room for hate. Sorry my expression of 'love' engenders 'hate'. If ones attitude didn't imbibe hatred - words could not stir up that negative emotion.

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DM. since you state in your reply to Sugarfoot that "Because

one does not agree with an opinion does not make them a bigot in my opinion" then please explain to me why in your opinion I am a bigot. Of course you asked it as a question, not a statement, as is your way. I would really like to know what I have said on this site that would make me a 'bigot' in your eyes?

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Mytimite

I have identified those publicly whom
I consider bigoted . I just ask you a question. Doesn't matter to anyone but you if you care to answer it,

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No, I am not a bigot, are you?

You are like the little kid who throws rocks at someone and when they hit that person, loudly proclaims "I was not aiming at you."

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DM s a race troll, FYI.

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And what are you? This discussion was focused on causes and possible solutions to criminal activity until your buddy introduced the color of the perpetrators and indicated that the African American community was a community of hate and violence.

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A Reminder of What The Younger Generation

is learning about America!

http://nationaljuggernaut.blogspot.com/2009/09/this-cartoon-seemed-far-f...

Pitting races against one another was seen as unAmerican even in 1948. Unity is better than the 'ism of separate. Mr. Garvin, I will continue to challenge your racism.

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Obamacare=ISM?

Nice cartoon. But why did I hear Obamacare every time they said ISM?

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Romneycare

May have been a more acceptable ism to some. Some 'isms' that some young people shared:

Separatism, elitism,racism,Marxism,socialism,communism,capitalism, etc., etc., etc.

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Romneycare

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May have been a more acceptable ism to some.

Maybe, maybe not. Any time the government tells us what we have to do we lose a little freedom. I loved the part in the cartoon where the shifty character wanted people to accept it without reading it. I saw Obama's face on that guy. LOL

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DM
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is learning about America!

http://nationaljuggernaut.blogspot.com/2009/09/this-cartoon-seemed-far-f...

Pitting races against one another was seen as unAmerican even in 1948. Unity is better than the 'ism of separate. Mr. Garvin, I will continue to challenge your racism.

I just want to point out that "pitting one against the other" goes on in both races. It is just as un-American when people of color do it as when white people do it. Just pointing that out.

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RKS

Absolutely no disagreement there! Thank heavens most followed MLK in the 50's and 60's. There were other leaders of both races who had us on a destructive path .

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The culture of violence

According to the FBI, between 1976 and 2005, blacks, who are about 12 percent of the population, committed 53 percent of all felony murders and 56 percent of non-felony murders. The Centers for Disease Control recently reported that young black men are 14 times more likely to commit murder than young white men.

It is the culture of violence.

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That's not what is portrayed to the world . Americans are portrayed as a culture of violence. The mob activity, the wild, wild west, the Skin Heads, the top guys in the American drug industry. You are correct, a shameful percentage of young black males are convicted of crime. Check your statistics, who are the majority of criminals in our country? Not the percentage of their race, but the majority of Americans who commit crimes. Statistics - interesting how numbers can be used to paint an unreality.

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The culture of crime

Just pointing out that the majority of crime is committed by the minority population. It is the culture of violence, hatred, and racism.

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The victims in Fayetteville are not all 'white'. They are citizens who are vulnerable and not selected because of their color but because of their proximity. The black community is more victimized by crime by blacks. Are you trying tomake crime a race war because of your fears? I answered your question. What about my answer do you not comprehend?

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Dm

I just asked a simple question that you seem unable to answer. I don't fear blacks, actually I don't fear anyone. What I don't comprehend is your reluctance to answer a simple question.

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Mr. Garvin and Hutch

From a previous post:

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All Americans should be proud of the progress that has been made over the past 50+ years! All Americans should be proud - but a small minority is not. Our churches and good Americans are still working on overcoming the remnant of this horrible part of American history. Freedom Riders joined the original Freedom Riders from all over the country - even California! Those who participated knew that Americans represent all races, religions, creeds, and are brothers and sisters through love, truth, and non-violence. The Freedom Riders proved that there were fair minded white people who believed in The Constitution. No one could paint the white race with one broad brush ever again in the 'black' community. The Freedom Riders brought UNITY to the majority of Americans.

I have answered your 'simple' question twice. (Hutch)

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Fayetteville Police Officers!!!!!

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Teen age thugs from ClayCo

Since they are juvies, I guess they will visit us again until they finally get a permanent job in jail. Really pitiful what has happened. Kohl's the most convenient place to commit crimes it seems. I have avoided the Pavillion for so many months that I don't even know what is in there.

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Lights

not that this with thwart all crime in the Pavilion, but sure wish they would light that place up better. Compare the Pavilion after 6pm to the Kroger shopping center, jc penny, dwarf house, etc ....the lights there make it look like a football field. We avoid the Pavilion at night like a plague and when we do need to shop at night, we only go to more well lit areas like Kroger at Banks, Target in PTC. I have heard others that do the same. Maybe we can put some pressure on the pavilion management to light that place up better, add an additional cop near Kohls or whatever.

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Fayette Pavilion

Again, Kohl's again

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PTC-O & Kohl's

What is your rationale for promoting Kohl's as a major crime scene

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AHG - Doesn't

seem to need promoting....the crimials have "discovered" it. As Dude says, easy in, easy out.

I would seem to me that it's pretty clear that the police should target it as well......for the same reason.

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AHG- My theory

Kohl's is next to 314. Easy escape route back to refferdale.

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Teenagers from Riverdale...

I'm shocked!!!!

A gutsy move by the out-of-state gentleman. Glad they're caught.

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Not to worry

they'll be back on the street in no time and after a stint in the system they won't be hesitant to shoot.

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Lights, More Police Surveillance, Sheriff 'North" office

All of this is needed to make the Pavilion and other community shopping areas a 'safe' place at night. Our law enforcement is well-trained - but we need more man power to combat what appears to be an element that views Fayette County and the Pavilion as 'easy picking'. We do need protection - but there are others in our country who take advantage of a problem and seek an illegal solution.

Mark Ciavarella Jr, a 61-year old former judge in Pennsylvania, has been sentenced to nearly 30 years in prison for literally selling young juveniles for cash. He was convicted of accepting money in exchange for incarcerating thousands of adults and children into a prison facility owned by a developer who was paying him under the table. The kickbacks amounted to more than $1 million.
The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has overturned some 4,000 convictions issued by him between 2003 and 2008, claiming he violated the constitutional rights of the juveniles – including the right to legal counsel and the right to intelligently enter a plea. Some of the juveniles he sentenced were as young as 10-years old.
Ciavarella was convicted of 12 counts, including racketeering, money laundering, mail fraud and tax evasion. He was also ordered to repay $1.2 million in restitution.

His “kids for cash” program has revealed that corruption is indeed within the prison system, mostly driven by the growth in private prisons seeking profits by any means necessary.

- See more at: http://govtslaves.info/pennsylvania-judge-sentenced-28-years-selling-kid...

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DM - what

What do you think has changed at the Pavilion?

Just more people that see it as "easy pickings", that's it?

Something has fundamentally changed, the question is what is it?

I have some ideas but want to hear from others, personally I think the moves by law enforcement in the county are pretty good. Why do we need to make all these moves?

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Race and Crime

Crime has always been a problem in human society - since the written word was used to describe man's journey. Great progress has been made in human relations and race relations. Someone asked why some countries distrust Americans. The majority of the inhabitants of the world are people of color. The treatment of people of color in America since the 1700's until the 1960's has not been exemplarary. The insistence of one contributor to any discussion , always stating that the culture of crime and violence in this country is the culture of the African American is disengenuous. To many inhabitants of other countries, in spite of our wealth, etc., we are distrusted because of our treatment of Americans of color - beginning with the Native American to present day intolerance. We have progressed in the area of race relations - but we are still known throughout the world for our own system of apartheid. All South Africans are proud to be called South Africans today. All Americans are considered Americans in other countries - in the United States we are still hyphenated . The eyes of the world consider this a negative aspect in our culture . To most foreigners, because of the popularity of American movies, the criminals in our country still ride a horse with a six gun on their belt, or drive a fancy car and live in big houses. (They are usually white). Movies are more diversified today, and sometimes the criminals depicted are persons of color. In urban areas, where the majority of inhabitants are poor, uneducated, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the the majority of criminals in that area would represent the inhabitants. The majority of the victims may be inhabitants of that area. I live in a middle class development in Fayette County. The criminals who have disrespected the property in the development have been inhabitants of the development. Their story has not been printed in The Cituzen. It is a diverse group of American citizens who have been involved in criminal activity . The black community of today is not a culture of hate and violence. There are criminals in both white and black communities who do not represent American culture.

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It's the culture of violence

Note the color of the perpetrators. They represent the culture of violence that continues to plague Fayetteville and America in general.
Crime is a problem in all communities. Crime is an epidemic in the black community. Punks like this have been taught to hate white people and have been taught that they are owed something.

It is the culture of hate and violence.

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Note the color of the perpetrators. They represent the culture of violence that continues to plague Fayetteville and America in general.
Crime is a problem in all communities. Crime is an epidemic in the black community. Punks like this have been taught to hate white people and have been taught that they are owed something.
It is the culture of hate and violence.

I have no idea what Mr. Garvin's color is - but I'm sure he is one of the reasons Georgia is considered 'slow'. The epidemic of crime in the black community is against 'blacks'. The punks in our country, regardless of color, have been taught to hate respect for property and individuals . They don't care enough about 'whites' to hate them. They are not robbing 'white' people, they are robbing people who WORK for their income - punks of any color could care less about the color of the victim. From history, the punks in the south were whites in the 40's - who were only doing what the law allowed at that time - intimidate and denigrate blacks - hence the Great Migration to the north. The Citizen has posted punks of both races recently who are invading Fayette County. Mr . Garvin , all blacks are not criminals and all whites are not ignorant racists.

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The epidemic of crime in the black community is against 'blacks'.

Enlighten me please Dm, just where is the black community in Fayetteville?

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In Fayetteville, black and white citizens exist as one,

One community! There is a 'black' representative on the Fayetteville City Council. He represents all of the citizens of Fayetteville. His discussions of issues important to all citizens were instrumental in his election. Criminals are attacking Fayetteville - all of it's citizens - because the citizens here represent the 'haves' - the criminals represent the 'have nots'. Black communities have a higher crime rate - because blacks are the prime victims of black on black crime. Blacks living in Fayetteville have not been spared because they are BLACK! Fayetteville's Police Department consists of officers of both races. Mr. Garvin speaks of the 'black community' in general as one of hate and violence. Do you view your 'black' neighbors' as hateful and violent? Do they view you as a racist? Almost all of the developments in Fayetteville we found to be integrated- except for Country Lakes . (Predominantly 'black'). The 'black' community in Fayetteville, possibly identified by church attendance, etc., is integrated within the schools, shopping areas, restaurants, etc., despite the Klan tradition that some have apprised me of, and other separate but equal attempts of the past. All African Americans are not a 'culture' of hate and violence as your articulate friend Mr. Garvin tries to 'prove'. But of course you have the right to agree with him.

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In Fayetteville, black and white citizens exist as one, that's why we moved here. In Fayette County, there has been an attempt to gerrymander a district so that minorities could have representation. According to a legal decision, Fayette County has implemented a Districtwide voting system that has prevented a minority from being represented on the Boards of Education, etc. - but of course you are well aware of all of this. The high rate of crime in 'black' communities are perpetrated on 'black' victims. This claim of hate for 'whitey' is disengenuous.

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The high rate of crime in 'black' communities are perpetrated on 'black' victims. This claim of hate for 'whitey' is disingenuous.

I'll ask again, where is the "black" community in Fayetteville?

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What do you think has changed at the Pavilion?
Just more people that see it as "easy pickings", that's it?

What has changed? More people using the Pavilion during the day; parking lots almost full most of the time; ABC on Sunday is usually packed with after church goers. A feeling of security because of the presence of the police cars and officers as well as some of the stores with their 'undercover' officers/personnel. Improved offerings in stores; customer service upgraded (more persons to help customers). Those persons who see any prosperous mall in our country need to know that law enforcement and security has been heightened/improved to stop their illegal activity.

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I have some ideas but want to hear from others, personally I think the moves by law enforcement in the county are pretty good. Why do we need to make all these moves?

It's the economy. Businesses throughout our country have had to heightened their security because of the crime that is being experienced throughout the US. Fayetteville, GA is no different. Please share your ideas. Cooperative sharing is enlightening and often leads to positive change.

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Certainly has had an impact, comparatively we have less crime than Cayton County, is their economy worse?

Why do you suppose the Pavilion has had so many robberies? Say, compared to the Avenues? It doesn't seem the 34 corridor has that many robberies. Why do you think that is?

Do you think the conviction rates in Clayton County or sentencing is different there than in Fayette?

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Check and compare the income levels, education level, unemployment levels and their impact on the comparative economy of the two counties. The comparison, IMO. Is the comparison of the haves and have nots. In Fayette County, there is a higher percentage of minorities than in the nation. All minorities are not 'have nots' all whites are not 'haves' . In Fayetteville , there is not a large gap in the levels mentioned above. The economy has caused a criminal element to attack the 'haves'. The Citizen has shown that 'some' of the have nots are white, some are minority (black). The victims in Fayetteville have been black and white. To feel that one is completely safe in a 'have' community is unrealistic. Haves in proximity to have nots do become 'victims ' . To base criminal activity on a fear of an entire race of Americans is a form of racism. How would you answer your questions ?

http://www.point2homes.com/US/Neighborhood/GA/Fayette-County-Demographic...

http://www.zoomprospector.com/(X(1))/communitydetail.aspx?id=1803&f=2

Two sites to compare demographics of Clayton and Fayette Counties. There are many others - but they both point out the difference of the two counties.