Tighter rules for illegals studied

A legislative committee studying the effects of illegal immigrants on Georgia is looking at several potential issues to consider for the upcoming lawmaking session.

Peachtree City Republican Matt Ramsey, who co-chairs the committee, said the committee is still in an information gathering mode. But the committee is looking at a variety of areas, including a process by which Georgia law enforcement officers would be able to verify whether a detainee is a citizen or not.

“Very likely there will be new penalties proposed and new statutes put on the books” to help law enforcement deal with illegal immigrants, Ramsey said.

The committee also is expected to propose a bill dealing with employment, perhaps requiring the use of the federal E-Verify system for all employees, including those in the private sector.

“I think employment is going to be a big issue on the table,” Ramsey said.

The committee is also going to be studying the effect of a bill passed four years ago to prevent illegal aliens from receiving state or local government benefits, Ramsey said. Particularly the committee is looking for any gaps in enforcement of that law, he added.

“It’s fair to say we have identified some things that can be better in terms of an enforcement aspect,” Ramsey said.

The committee will have another public hearing in about a week and a half before proceeding with development of the new legislation that will be proposed when the legislature convenes in January.

Rep. Tom Rice of Norcross last week proposed legislation that would prohibit the University System of Georgia from accepting illegal immigrants as students.

Ramsey said the immigration committee has asked the university system to provide data “and to let us know if it costs taxpayers one penny to allow illegal immigrants to attend our schools.”

Ramsey noted the Board of Regents recently has adopted a policy that forbids illegal immigrants from gaining admission to any of the system’s five research universities, but they may be admitted to any other state university, he added.

That, Ramsey said, “sends a message that we have a state institution knowingly sanctioning the attendance of citizens who are not in the country legally and by law can’t work when they get out.”

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Why definitions are so hard

According the Merriam-Webster dictionary the word illegal means ": not according to or authorized by law "

This seems like a simple definition with no confusion but apparently no one understands simplicity any more.

Try as we may we keep hitting the brick wall. if you did not enter the United States by the right way, the way stipulated within our constitution then you are illegally here. Even if you have been here since a child you are still ILLEGAL.

It should not be a hard concept. So what does this mean? It means that illegals (including children) do not get anything. They cannot attend any of our schools (preschool to university), they can not own a driver's license, they cannot buy a house or rent, they cannot work here, and they cannot vote.

Its time we quite hitting our head against the brick and start enforcing what we know is right. There are so many ways to get here LEGALLY that being an illegal ruins it for the ones that do it the right way. They are also a drain on our society and we cannot afford them. They undermine all we stand for as a nation.

We need to send a message and its time we get tough on illegals. If you are here illegally you will be jailed, fined, and deported. If your children are found in our schools you will have to pay back the cost of their education.

If you an employer of an illegal you will be shutdown. If you rent or sell a house to an illegal you will be fined. The definition is simple, the laws are clear.

Now its time for Georgia and the USA to DO THE RIGHT THING AND STOP ILLEGALS.

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But the committee is looking at a variety of areas, including a process by which Georgia law enforcement officers would be able to verify whether a detainee is a citizen or not.

The committee also is expected to propose a bill dealing with employment, perhaps requiring the use of the federal E-Verify system for all employees, including those in the private sector.

It seems to me that if the E-Verify thingy is good enough for employers to determine one's status that law enforcement personnel could use the same.

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E-Verify terrifies some

It's very cut and dried and quick. There seems to be quite a few pimps out there in corporate land that are very against that concept as it shifts the focus rightfully on them instead of some vague "we'll ignore enforcing this or that or we didn't know." That's why the use of E-Verify has been much lower than predicted. Some have no interest whatsoever in not hiring illegals and actually desire that and sure don't want their hands dirty over doing it.

I have nothing against vast multi-national corporations but it's way beyond time that politicians stop feeding at their trough of big money and instead hold them accountable to the same laws and regulations as everyone else. That's really pretty simple until you think about how many politicians lack anything besides narcissistic self-interest in getting rich by playing this game.

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Our local law enforcement, all of them, have known how to determine whether someone is a citizen for many years. There is more than one way.

The fact is that our local law officers do not want to know if they are illegal, and certainly do not want to jail them in hopes of getting them transported to Mexico by the Federal agents.

They particularly do not want the same situation that Arizona law officers are trying to enforce. I'm not sure they have arrested and jailed a handful yet.

They would fill our jails and not be able to get them transferred out in Any reasonable time. So they do not try.

There are at least 20 million illegals. Even if say, Georgia could find and arrest a few hundred in a year, how much progress is that? What do you do with the kids born in this country? What do you do with the wives or husbands born in this country when their spouse is illegal?

They know that President Reagan gave amnesty to most of them then during his Presidency, and they know it will be done again for the same reason Reagan did it---Too many to catch and send home along with their legal kids and spouses!

The answer: there is none for the current group except what Reagan did!

The future after that: require every law office in the country to arrest every one of them as they would a bank robber and jail them for disposition. Form a disposition plan.

It is now obvious that those who hire the illegals are not going to cooperate by NOT hiring illegals. They won't stay if they can't work.

We simply aren't serious about this situation and never will be.
The practice of raising hell about it at every election also needs to stop since it simply makes hypocrites out of those complaining.

Suggested solutions that are impossible like arrest them all, build a fence, don't help them with their babies births, don't take them at emergency rooms, etc., are stupid at best.

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So CHR$,

What should be done?

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What Reagan did for now.

Then set-up a dozen immigrant gates on the Mexican border, issue unlimited amount of visas after they are recorded as being here. (some long term, some short term). Put business people in jail for 90 days for hiring any illegals without visas.
Put the illegals who refuse to sign in, on Alcatraz, until Mexico takes them back, when they are caught at the business man's company.

I can't say it any plainer than that!

I suppose you want to arrest 40 million tomorrow?

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So Court....

Once they cross the border and then overstay their visa what then?

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They will go home when companies refuse to hire them without the visa and a SS good number. (providing we jail the boss of the hiring company).

Are you for jailing 40 million if we can find them?

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Well Court...

That didn't seem to stop America's favorite aunt. Let's see, if I recall she's now of the opinion that the US owes her. I'm mean after all as she describes how she was on death's doorstep with a disease and needed treatment in the states. Isn't it amazing how our "broken" health care system could help that illegal out. Of course helping her was the Mass. Supreme Court ruling that illegals have "rights" to guv housing.

Anyways, about your plan. Some states like Mexifornia will fight any plan that makes it hard on illegals. There's a certain amount of "compassion" involved. Your idea of ridding the attracting agent - jobs - has its merits. I'm just not so sure about the "underground" economy and if that idea will really stop it.

No, we can't jail all of them; however, when they're found they're deported. This is kind of like what other countries do with illegals.

BTW, visas and SS cards can be bought and often are. Sometimes the SSN is good. Just ask Elvira Arellano.

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The combination of items I mentioned will do the job.

Especially the 90 days jail one!

I didn't see your solution, except to arrest and send back a few caught--and we aren't even trying to catch them here!

It is BS talk by hypocrites who don't really want to mess with cheap laborers being hired.

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