Keep the faith in our tested political system

After spending most of my adult life teaching government to high school seniors (and not all of that time in the so-called “government schools” either), I am appalled and embarrassed by the statements made in reference to our latest Presidential elections.

Our lack of attention paid to civics education is finally coming home to roost.

One of the basic principles of democracy (and, by extension, representative democracy) is compromise. Democracy cannot survive if the participants are not willing to compromise in order to find a workable solution.

I know that they can be heavy reading, but all we have to do is read “The Federalist Papers” to understand why the system was designed the way it was. Compromise is at the core of the Constitution.

The newly minted “secessionist” movement and many of the letters printed in The Citizen go way beyond mere political differences. There is a growing movement AWAY from Mr. Lincoln’s government “of the people, by the people, and for the people.”

It is a nice thing that we have freedom of speech where people are allowed to voice their opposition to political decisions, but this is going WAY beyond that.

The system requires us to live with the results of elections, until such time as we can change those results at the voting booth. In the meantime, our elected leaders are required to come together and work for the good of the country, the WHOLE country ... those folks we like and those folks we can’t stand.

I fully expect that I will be attacked for stating what seems so obvious. All I can say is that freedom of speech places a responsibility on us as citizens, along with the right — the responsibility — of hearing things we might not want to hear.

Keep the faith — faith in our system of government.

J. Peter Lewin

Fayetteville, Ga.

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Faith vs. Confidence

I have faith in God and no faith in government, I have no confidence in our current governmental system of corrupted crony capitalism.

I have confidence that a democracy will not work as a form of government. The people through their collective wisdom have given matches to the arsonists.

It's better to have faith in God because He is the only thing that can save us now.

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What a great addition to American classic movies! It was encouraging to be told that the showings in Fayetteville are being 'sold out'. At that moment in history (the passing of the 13th amendment) it was shown that there were certainly points of conflicts among Americans - but that 'compromise' and 'leverage' used in our Congress worked for the American people. The words of our Constitution , after the passing of the 13th Amendment, began to be applied equally to all citizens. If one did not see the similarity in what happened at that point in time - and what has happened in Washington over the past century, yes Mr. Lewin, there is a need for attention to be paid to the teaching of civics and political science as used in a democracy. Thank you for your contribution to 'free speech'.

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Tested Political System

I see that you are still advocating for people to be involved and serious about how the government works. Keep the faith, Peter.

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Still alive and well

Yes, Juan, kind of like Einstein's definition of insanity. Heard you were in the Bay area...still keeping your finger on the pulsebeat of concervatism, eh? Well, you can't keep a good LRYer down LOL.

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The Republican Party and Immigration

There appears to be an attempt on the part of Republican leadership - to reach out to the Hispanic community. A headline reads; HOUSE GOP TAKE NEW TACK ON IMMIGRATION.

The proposal would:

give 55,000 green cards a year to doctoral and masters graduate in the STEM fields. The measure, strongly backs by US high-tech companies, would make it eastier for the people trained in the US to put their skills to work for US companies rather than non-American competitors. But, the legislation would still eliminate the Diversity Visa Lottery Program, which gives out a similar 55,000 green cards a year to those from countries, including many in Africa, with traditionally low rates of immigration to the US. That prompted the House's Hispanic Caucus, Congressional Black Caucus and Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus to all come out against it in September. The three caucuses said the Republicans were trying to increase legal immigration for people they want by ending immigration for people they don't want.

Another proposal was to allow immigrants here legally (with green cards) to allow their families to join them as they go through the process of obstaining a green card.

IMO. Another way of keeping low wage earners in the business world. Not a very smart way to encourage inclusivity. Maybe if they would talk with the minority members of the House, they would come up with a immigration reform plan that the majority of Americans could support.

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We need a third party

Both parties are more than willing to pander to certain groups to gain prospective voters without any regard as to the consequences. That is one reason why this country is in the shape it's in. Herman Cain in an interview I saw lately called for a third party for the conservative's that are being left behind by the Republicans. He stated that the fact that over 10 million fewer people voted in this last election vs 2008 shows a disconnect on both sides of the aisle. I would like to see his suggestion gain some traction.

As for Mr Lewin's comments that we should just accept things as they are, well maybe he should re-read some of Thomas Jefferson's comments on this topic.

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Not anything to disagree with there! It is sad that those who are more concerned with politics rather than leadership are the non- elected voices in both parties. Their strength? How to raise money - get votes. You're absolutely right, both parties are guilty of some pandering. In our history, and in global history, this is nothing new. Would a third party be able to succeed without this fault?

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Would a third party be able to succeed without this fault?

That is an excellent question. Only one way to find out! Herman while probably not electable at this time could do the country a service by running say as a Libertarian. The Libs did get over 1% of the vote last election which is a big jump for them but if they could get a name like Herman Cain to run as a Lib, maybe they could get 5% of the vote. That would then qualify the Libertarian party for Federal matching funds. With a little more money who knows what the Libs could do?

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That is an idea. But look what happened to Herman when he got too close to 'common sense' ! Obama survived. I don't think Herman would. Why are both parties afraid to touch Cain's idea? Who gets hurt if in 2012 we don't follow the 'tried and true' ? economic policies? Are there not creative thinkers in 2013 who can think beyond Keynesian vs. Austrian economic policies?

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Herman & Common Sense

I know Herman aligned with the Tea Party to some degree but I'd like to see him involved in future campaigns somehow. I think he has a lot to offer the country--if only he's not fed up with the process which will destroy a good man. I voted for him when he ran for Senate and tried to get him to run for Lt Gov after his loss. I failed. If he had done that, I believe he would now either be our Gov or one of our two Senators.

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Doesn't have to be Cain

It wouldn't have to be Cain. It could be a Ron Paul or one of several others. The idea is to get enough votes to get Federal funds. That is a first step. No party will be competitive without them.

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Who gets hurt if in 2012 we don't follow the 'tried and true' ? economic policies?

The deficit is over 16 trillion and growing like a rocket. I'd say we all get hurt if we continue to follow the "tried and true" policies.

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Are there not creative thinkers in 2013 who can think beyond Keynesian vs. Austrian economic policies?

If there is it will have to be someone new because I have no faith the same ole group.

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I'm listening to some of the younger politicians in both parties. They appear to be aware of the power of the vote of ALL Americans. The strategy of under estimating or ignoring some American citizens has left an imprint on their plans for the future. They are also aware of those voters who 'sat this one out'. I'm not sure the country can wait for the Libertarians to gain the momentum to win in 2016. . . . but there are certainly some ideas of the Libertarian Party that the youth are attracted to - without calling our country 'socialist or 'communist '. One thing for sure, both parties need to pay more attention to Nate Silver if they really want to know the pulse of the citizenry. I hope the younger generation interested in serving their country in Congress, will let their voices be heard in their respective 'parties'. In the meantime, all are watching how our current leaders are going to handle this 'fiscal crisis'. Will Norquist and Rove prevail?

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Of course the younger guys are sounding good. That is why they are politicians. If you think the answers are going to come from one of the 2 governing parties I have to remind you how Albert Einstein defined insanity.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

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Einstein was right! And look who has profited from the insanity of not demanding a change by only looking at two possible economic solutions in the technically and globally advanced world of 2013!! Those who are profiting - DO NOT WANT CHANGE - the American people (who are not profiting at this time) are saying they want to give change a try. No one wanted to listen to a guy by the name of Nate Silver and his polling techniques. Rasmussen and Gallup have been doing it 'right' for years - and they 'knew what they were doing'. Well . . . . . If the governing parties want to continue governing - THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE! Democracy as practiced in the United States - has made mistakes in the past - and has corrected the mistakes by CHANGE. The majority of the citizens in our country want jobs; security; peace; and the equal opportunity to be able to achieve by receiving a sound education. If our past practices are no longer achieving this - then what? CHANGE!

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G35 & 3d Party

Of course there already is one---would you automatically rule out the Libertarian Party?

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If you read above I do reference the Libertarian party as the logical 3rd party. As of right now I do rule them out because they are not "competitive" with the other 2 parties. A name candidate could help change that by getting the required 5% of the vote to obtain Federal funds. With more money maybe the Libs could get some air time and from there who knows?

Here's a trivia question for you: Who was the last presidential candidate to carry a state that was not a Dem or Rep?

George Wallace did it in 1968 as an Independent.

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George Wallace did it in 1968 as an Independent.

Sorry, but the issue that worked for George Wallace as an Independent, won't work anymore. However, the Independent movement is growing - based on sound issues.

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G35 Dude wrote:

If you read above I do reference the Libertarian party as the logical 3rd party. As of right now I do rule them out because they are not "competitive" with the other 2 parties. A name candidate could help change that by getting the required 5% of the vote to obtain Federal funds. With more money maybe the Libs could get some air time and from there who knows?

Here's a trivia question for you: Who was the last presidential candidate to carry a state that was not a Dem or Rep?

George Wallace did it in 1968 as an Independent.

What about Rand Paul in 2016?

Ron Paul is the ONLY one that I have heard shoot straight and tell the truth about the mess we are in financially. GP

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I wouldn't mind seeing a Consortium of folks like:
Jon Huntsman, Jr
Herman Cain
Wayne Allyn Root
Carly Fiorina
Mike Huckabee
TBoone Pickens
Ralph Nader
Newt Gingrich
all join together to form the nucleus of another party and if there's anyway to convince them, add Sam Nunn and David Boren.

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What about Rand Paul in 2016?

Anybody that can get more than 5% of the vote. The problem at this time is that the Libs don't qualify for Federal funds. So no one that feels that they have a real shot will run as a Lib. It will have to be someone that has a niche following of more than 5% that is willing to do this pretty much knowing that the goal is to create a viable 3rd party. Not someone that really has a shot. That comes later.

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Is this the Last man in Washington with integrity?

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/11/29/Rand-Paul-Ready-For-Rea... -GP

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