Fayetteville man, 18, charged in Oct. 11 traffic death

Eighteen-year-old Fayetteville resident Joshua Marcus Williams has been charged with second-degree vehicular homicide in the Oct. 11 death of another Fayetteville man, James Buck, after Williams ran a stop sign at McBride and Antioch roads and crashed into Buck’s vehicle.

Williams was arrested over the weekend on charges of second-degree vehicular homicide, a misdemeanor, and failure to stop at a stop sign, according to officials with the Fayette County Sheriff’s Office. The charge of second-degree vehicular homicide was imposed because the death occurred without intent, officials said.

Williams was later released on bond.

Buck had been traveling north on Antioch Road and Williams was traveling east on McBride Road, according to the sheriff’s office.

Sheriff’s investigators said that Buck, 55, had been driving a 2004 Toyota Sequoia and had entered the intersection at approximately 8:50 a.m. when his vehicle was struck after Williams, who was driving a 1995 Nissan Altima, failed to stop at the stop sign.

Sheriff’s investigators with the Traffic Enforcement Section said the collision caused Buck’s vehicle to leave the roadway and overturn. Buck, who was not wearing a seatbelt, was ejected from the vehicle. Buck was pronounced dead at the scene, investigators said.

Williams and a passenger in his vehicle were taken to area hospitals for treatment.

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Fayetteville man, 18, charged in Oct. 11 traffic death

Second-degree vehicular homicide, a misdemeanor, has always been a crappy charge to me. Homicide with or without intent, is still homicide. It should be a felony charge.

He'll surely face a civil suit also..

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Wow, what a comment. With or without intent has to have different considerations because accidents happen and will continue forever. I would love to hear your opinion that if you or a family member were involved in any kind of accident, wehicular or other, how you would react. I have no dog in the fight and are not related to either party, but if you think that he should just be charged with murder, you are insane. I am not trying to be rude, but what if the victim had his seat belt on, in essence he was breaking the law. Should that reflect against him or his family, absolutely not. We don't live our lives under the precepts of Gods law as I believe we should. To be forgiven, you have to forgive. Judge not, less you be judged and could continue on and on. If he faces civil suit so be it. That will not change the fact the man lost his life and another will suffer that fact forever. Vengence is mine the Lord says and we can be vengous but will face the consiquences of our actions.
The young man made a mistake and he who is without mistakes, chunk the first stone. He will have to face the law and whatever the law says, he will have to do. I hope that peolpe will forgive and go on. I plan to.

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I remember when I was 19 and I was at fault in an accident at an intersection where I completely blew a red light (not on purpose). I had just had a death in the family and was still pretty distraught. I believe I was headed to class. My mind wandered, I went through the light (not trying to run it) and T boned another car. I had absolutely NO INTENT to either run the light or get in an accident. Had there been a front seat passenger I may well have been in this young man's predicament. Fortunately, the driver and I were wearing seatbelts and there were no serious injuries.

I feel awful for the victim's family but the guy at fault was apparently not driving recklessly or DUI. Driving is not a terribly safe activity when you think about it. People around us make mistakes or bad choices which is why we should take every precaution to protect ourselves...ie. wearing seatbelts and driving defensively. Not blaming the victim here but, statistically, his chances would have been better were he wearing a seatbelt.

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Intent is the key..

What was the intent? That's what the law looks at.

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Spy: Intent?

Do you think this fellow intended to kill the other man? What on earth for?

"Intent" is a bull consideration in 99% of cases. If a person is shooting at a target in a field, and suddenly sees some people in the woods and begins firing at them for the hell of it, that may be intent!

There is not one iota of difference in Laura Welch Bush's problem and this fellows problem.

Both should have received a fine, pick up some trash, and probation if first offense.

Do all blacks and Mexicans who do the same thing have an intent?

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Accident Homicide

We'll let Laura Bush know how you feel. How about other involuntary 2nd Degree? Hunting accidents? Maybe that's why Cheney should give it up.

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Tragic either way

How eager people get to act as judge and jury once something like this happens. Thhe Buck family has endured a horrible time in there life and I am sure that the Williams family has as well. The young man that is alledgelly charged with vehicular Homicide, will have to live with the memory of that day for the rest of his days. Our country has become dependant on law suits, that will not ease the pain of death(in which if it did, it would surprise me) but will deepen the wound further for both sides.
Unfortunately, Mr Buck was not wearing his seat belt (which is against the law), and that doesn't mean his family should suffer from that because we don't really know that if he had of, he might be alive today. Things happen for a reason and we never know why they do, but cope the best way we know how.

I know we all remember 911 and what the villians done to the american people. Did we sue the people that were responsible for that? Thousands of people,good people lost their lives due to a puposely act against America.
How did we react? We were mad, but the kindness came out of all of us, we stared treating each other as humans and for a time, we were caring about US and for the welfare of our country. We need to reach out and begin again the days of Thanksgiving, that in fact we need each other. I don't think that any of us are unaware of our economic situation and how times are getting. We make life what it is, sometimes we have to endure the bad times as well as enjoying the good times. Though the ACCIDENT was very tragic for both families, extend a little love to mankind and reach out to one another. I know I need it and I am sure most of you do too. God Bless All and may his will be done.

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I think in the case of 911 we took it upon ourselves to be judge and jury, then we invaded two countries wounding and killing for 9 years! Still at it and the little group of bandits who did the act are still free and happy.

What you are saying is that we should just forgive everyone in this case because they will regret what they did forever and that is punishment enough. I agree in such a case of non-intent, just carelessness, and a reasonable punishment for the bad luck of killing someone instead of just an accident requires some punishment, but a law suit is standard practice these days.

50-65,000 are killed on the highways every year and we pretty much accept that.

We accept it even more when no one is killed. There are always reasons: alcohol, youth, age, showing-off, dumb, un-supervised, untrained, and won't happen to me!

Never trust that the other idiot will stop and watch for you however. Wait him out. He sometimes expects that!

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alledgelly charged?

It's "allegedly" and he is charged; otherwise there would have been no need for him to post a bond. It's "alleged" that he ran the stop sign.

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Let's Not Blame the Victim

Running a stop sign is against the law too.

I think you are correct this young man will have to live with this memory for the rest of his life.

We can all learn from this tragedy and be more careful while driving.

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Skyspy & 2d Degree Vehicular Homicide

Living with the mistake is not all he may have to contend with--this is punishible by up to 1 yr in Prison, a $1,000 Fine or both. At the Judge's discretion, punishment may be suspended or a probation sentence imposed.

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AtHomeGym, I'm a tad concerned

Gymmy, I'm a bit concerned that you're able to rattle off the legal consequences for 2nd degree vehicular homicide off the top of your head. Is there something you want to tell us?

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Sure, I'll tell you something: I know how to use Google!

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I think you know that living with the mistake is about all he will get.
Possibly some small suspended sentence with some probation.

However, sadly I must say that if he were a minority from the USA or Mexico, or elsewhere, it would be one year in the Pokey, a fine, and probation upon release!

We are afraid of those people.

I favor the probation in such cases for everyone if it is a first offense.
So many aren't even "caught" at all.

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No, I have no inkling of what the Judge will decide but why did you have to inject a racial/ethnic issue into it when all I did was identify the possibilities of sentencing? I guess that's just what you do.

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Don't think I accused you of anything.

But why is it that no one here will comment on a known fact about racial justice?

It is simple, we favor certain classes and individuals over others. The reason isn't what I'm discussing---it is the fact that it happens and we don't much care.

The proof is in the prison population as compared to the same crimes committed by those not in jail.

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You wanna talk about racial justice? I'm sure David's Mom will be more than happy to give you more than an earfull--just ask! No, just wait--she'll probably respond to this thread!

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Best job of bias trolling I've seen in quite some time.

Did you say that you did a bit of interrogation back in another life?

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I may have said that--but I doubt I said I was successful! This is a lot easier!

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AHG - over the past 5 years, it's all been said. No minds will be changed at this point. When people keep refusing to understand how their comments are perceived, then the misunderstandings will continue. I'm more interested now in how our leaders are going to go about helping the middle class in this country - regardless of color - survive the mess we're in. November 30th will be quite 'telling'. At least someone heard the message that a 23% cut of doctors Medicare fees would be detrimental. I'm waiting and watching to see just how far an 'elite' class will go in standing by their principles now after many years of benefiting from the non-adherence to those principles.

By the way - will someone please explain to me how Bristol Palin is a star? I admire her hard work in Dancing With The Stars - but what are we teaching our young people? If your mother is Governor of a state - and you elect to keep your child born out of wedlock, you are a star? No wonder the institution of marriage is under attack.

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Most sane people (not any who watch such shows) know that the winners are fixed for ratings purposes. A bunch of idiot actors say what they think, and the executives rig the votes to match who they want to win.

With computers and a score of Internet names one can vote many times, and do. The Palin thing though is due to heavy viewing by Palin fans---any Palin.

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No answers to your question about who is a star. All I know about the instituaion of marriage is that my institution has been in place for almost 42 yrs and the accounting books still look solid!

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We'll complete 50 years in February - and enjoying retirement comfortably. I vote for marriage!!! LOL!

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He is 18, An ADULT

So Only one to bring civil action against would be Josh, So don't think anyones gonna get Rich, He is a Full Time Student.

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INSHOREINCE!

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Why are you so quick to mention a civil suit to extract money from the parents? He's 18 right?

I remember reading about this story shortly after it occurred and reading various speculations about what may or may not have caused the accident, late for school, going back home to get books, etc. Like it or not, accidents do happen from time to time. If there was gross negligence on the part of the driver, then he should be held accountable. There are very few among us who have never committed a driving infraction by mistake. If there were proof that the accident was caused willfully or due to gross negligence, then I would imagine Mr. Williams would have been charged with something other than second-degree vehicular homicide. Was there negligence? Sure, the kid ran a stop sign. A terrible, terrible result occurred due to his mistake. Let's not try and convict him in the harsh court of the bloggers. If there is enough there for a civil suit, then that's fine too. I don't know nearly enough details over the incident to give opinion one way or another. The comment about the civil suit going after the parents seemed excessive to me. That's just my opinion, and you're entitled to yours. I'm not trying to start any arguments here.

My condolences go out to the family and friends of Mr. Buck.

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A criminal trial followed by a…

civil case is usually how these sort of things end up unless insurance money satisfies the victim’s family.

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Second-degree vehicular homicide..

No shocker here.

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Well, I'm shocked and a bit offended

He runs a stop sign, kills someone and there is "no intent". What's up with that? What kind of jail time is he looking at? Maybe there has to be a civil suit to extract some money from this kid's parents.

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Did you feel the same way about Laura Welch Bush and the kid she killed by running a stop sign?
She got nothin but sympathy!
Same with George's driving whole doped and drunk.

We might have been spared that couple had they got some jail time!

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Bush..

Bush was not under the influence of drugs, he did get charged with DUI. at that time, the charge was issued, he paid his fine.

As for Laura Bush, she was not charged and has always taken full responsibilty and has to live it the rest of her life.

Please, you want to about getting away with homicide, go back and study the case involving Teddy Kennedy.. Clearly a case of someone trying to cover up what he did.

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No you ape --- that is different

Laura was a girl and this dude is a guy.
This guy had a Porsche and Laura had a Camaro.
Laura bought her own car --- this dude had it given to him.
Got it?

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I don't like to be called APE, Hilary.
I am an Orangutan, the highest level just before Nixon was born!

I guess "girls" in college were dumber than high school kids. I do realize that the Welch's had to sell dime bags to survive.

So girls, camaros, Porsche's, and gifts make a big difference?

I can't imagine what would have happened to Mr. Leroy Brown in Texas then if he had been driving the Porsche or the Camaro! (Stolen) I suppose.

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Yes mudcat....

that's correct. It's considered "driver error" and in this case the result was that someone died - vehicular homicide - because of this error. Now if the Sheriff's investigation team found that the defendant ran the sign on purpose - intent - then it's a whole different story and the DA would then charge accordingly.

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Shocked AND Offended?

Let's go ask Laura Bush what she thinks the punishment to be for VH. My guess is that 40 yrs & counting of living with it might be more than enough.

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