Some lessons in reality to be drawn from last Tuesday’s elections

I would like to take this opportunity to dispel the administration’s notion that the “thumping” they got Tuesday was due to America’s inability to see or understand what’s best for them. Angry and frustrated with the economy, they took out their frustrations on the party in power. Yeah, right.

Here is what the President and the liberals don’t get: The vast majority of Americans (including many Democrats) are soundly rejecting the Obama vision for America. The liberals continue to fool themselves that Americans are just frustrated, angry and scared about the economy. What they don’t realize is that it’s not just the economy, it’s the whole enchilada.

While the economy may lead the country’s concerns, the administration’s actions on the stimulus, healthcare, financial reform, takeover of the student loan program, the national debt, auto industry bailout, financial industry bailout, housing bailouts, illegal immigration, boarder security, impending increased taxes, efforts to impede progress on energy independence, the growing movement to include Sharia law into our constitutional system, the failure to recognize and identify the threats from stealth jihad, failure to use enhanced interrogation techniques in the fight against Islamic fundamentalism, insistence on using federal courts to try terrorists, continuing efforts to close Gitmo, the failing foreign policy, lack of focus on Afghanistan, Iraq, North Korea, Iran, Gaza and the growing threat coming from the cartels in Mexico. And finally, the growing concern about voter fraud in the country.

The American electorate is informed and engaged for the first time in 50 years. And this is why the liberals were blasted out of office this year and will be again in 2012. In case you didn’t notice, the revolt in our state houses was even more remarkable than what happened in the House and Senate.

Roger Casale

Peachtree City, Ga.

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Wingnuts Panic: Only 39% of America wants health care law repeal

One of the core beliefs of the Teahadists was that "everyone" was against the recently enacted health care reform legislation.

Like so many of the core beliefs of the Teahadists, though, it is a belief not grounded in reality.

A new poll released today (11/11) shows that only 39% of Americans want the health care reform legislation repealed.

The usual tea party apologists will be along shortly to splutter in incoherent outrage and tell us what the poll REALLY means.

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CPB, Try actually reading the poll

http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK%20Poll%20November%202010%20Topline.pdf

"In general, do you support, oppose or neither support nor oppose the health care reforms that were passed by Congress in March?"

Total support: 38
Total oppose: 47

"What would you prefer Congress do with the new health care law:"

Leave it as is: 20
Change it so that it does MORE to change the health care system: 38
Repeal it completely: 31

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Progressive panic-Americans FAVOR Obama HC investigation

"Voters are ambivalent about House Republican plans to investigate the Obama administration – unless the subject of the probe is the unpopular national health care bill.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 55% of Likely U.S. Voters favor having House Republicans investigate the projected costs and implications of the health care law passed by Congress earlier in the year.
Thirty-two percent (32%) oppose such an investigation. Fourteen percent (14%) more are not sure about the idea.
Eighty-one percent (81%) of Republicans and nearly two-thirds (65%) of voters not affiliated with either major party support an investigation of the costs and implications of the health care bill. Most Democrats (56%) are opposed. "

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/h...

In your poll 38% make more changes 31% wants repeal. ONLY 20% WANTS TO LEAVE IT AS IS.

To give a line from Obama himself-We won you lost. Most of the platforms where won on repealing or changing the healthcare law. Polls are one thing ELECTION results are another.

If Americans believed as you do then the Democrats would not have just had the WORST beating since 1934. In fact Healthcare was so popular that every Democrat and Rino campaigned on their votes FOR healthcare. Wait a minute no they didn't in fact they ran from Obama and Healthcare. Sucks to be you I guess.

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not interested

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Defeat Trauma Centers

Ever notice how the Blue Dots in a Red state have trauma centers? It's the Red parts of the state that seem to have the need. The Teabaggers are absolutely correct; if there was a need and a profit to be made a private company would provide. I say if you are in a crash south of Macon & didn't want "govment" health insurance; refuse the copter ride and Die.

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Trauma Hospitals

I don't really know if more such hospitals are needed, and especially with sales tax money, or such, but I do know that if we build them they will come!

That is assuming it is paid for when they get there.
What we need is trauma or emergency CENTERS in nearly every town or community (Triages) who stop the "bleeding," then forward to a hospital if necessary.

I think that is the way the new health plan also has it planned eventually.

We must stop these huge complexes of job makers and millionaire makers.

Do you have any idea how many hundreds of millions of dollars that Dr. Frith, minority leader once, made from HOA stock sales?

Don't you know exactly how he voted on bills concerning his well being?

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CHR & Former Senator FRIST

Frist was MAJORITY Leader 2003-2007. He INHERITED the HCA business and that had ZILCH to do with his time as Senator. I should have figured if you didn't know his real name, you wouldn't know the other facts either. I DO HOPE he was a better Heart Surgeon than Senator.

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GYM

I plead guilty to faulty memory about Dr. Frist's name.

He is a genius when it concerns science. There is no limit to how many projects he can manage at once.

Here is the problem:

He was fortunate due to the for profit hospitals in which he owned stock and having a very wealthy Father, to be able to attend every private school, half of the Ivy League schools, and master heart and lung surgery as well as research fellowships.

His eductaion must have cost millions, and it scarred him.

He sneaked and killed cats illegally in his research; His campaign cheated on loans; He said a person in a coma was effectively dead by his diagnosis from a TV screen--and one thing he is not is a nuerologist!

He simply feels that he can do as he pleases since he is a genius, and has never had an opportunity to live among average people!

So, yes he was a better surgeon than Senator. I guess that is why I forgot his name, AND EXACT TITLE.

A typical ultra-conservative who did interfere in medical bills in congress such as abortion, and others.

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I like it Roger.

But you know of course that the liberals will continue to wallow in a sea of denial until Joy Behar, Katie Couric, Chris Mathews and Jon Stewart tell them otherwise don't you? The lemmings are waiting for the thrill to leave Chris Mathews' leg.

I for one am thankful that ideologically ignorant elitists are choosing to blame 'miscommunication' for their political peril.

I can only imagine what losses await them in 2012 after continuing to whistle past reality while the conservative wave of common sense swells to record levels and washes the stench of these socialist hippies away once and for all.

Elect Nancy Pelosi House Minority Leader.... Please!!!

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Johnny

I like your note at the bottom of your missives:
Thanks, You friendly (your, I assume), teabag......

Now that is honesty--something to be proud of for sure!

What would we do without the "NOers?"

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Some lessons in reality to be drawn from last Tuesday's election

The "Birdman" speaks in sound bites rather than facts. Typical of the liberal mindset. Why not consider the possibility that you just might be on the wrong side of the fence? America has rejected the Obama agenda - wake up.

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Speaking of sound bites...

Roger, your letter to the editor was little more than a trite recitation of Glenn Beck-approved talking points.

Your wishful thinking notwithstanding, America returned 87% of incumbents back to Washington last week, below the historical average of 93%, but if you feel that is enough of a plurality to effect meaningful change, well, more power to you.

When you sober up, perhaps you can explain exactly where in America that "Sharia Law" is being considered.

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Lessons from the election

Seriously you need to do one of two things, either learn from other than Glen Beck or seek psychiatric help. You make lots of rambling accusations/observations. Could you please provide some concrete examples? I am particularly interested in your "Sharia law into our constitutional system" Really? How so?
"efforts to impede progress on energy independence" Really? How so?
"The vast majority of Americans," Really? Since polls show that the country is actually split on health care, it may not be such a mandate. 48% disapprove, 47% approve. So, is the glass half full or half empty?
As for the debt, the previous administration ran a $500 Billion yearly deficit, doubling the national debt in 8 years. Please, PLEASE explain the "fiscal responsibility" of the Republicans?
TARP was Bush's. Please stop blaming that on Obama.

Yes, it's a big, wide world out there. If you simply do a little research you will find the truth lies between Glen Beck and Keith Olbermann. Check it out. You may be surprised (but then Beck conspiracies don't hold up when facts are checked).

Oh, by the way, the current Congress has been trying to extend the Bush tax cuts for 98% of the people. The Republicans refuse if the top 2% don't get their money first. Essentially if "the rich don't get paid, NO ONE gets paid." Yeah, they sure look out for the Middle Class alright.
Think they could even consider extending the Middle Class tax structure and then adding the top 2% in Jan.? NO...can't happen....if the Rich don't get their taxes back NO ONE WILL!

As for the Tea Party "pay as you go" budget, the tax extension is estimated to cost the U.S. $700 Billion. How do the Repubs. plan to pay for that? No idea. But a program like Health Care that helps others? NO....NOT UNLESS IT'S PAID FOR!

HYPOCRITS!!!!!

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Minor correction, Birdman

On the extension of Bush tax cuts, the plan favored by the White House would keep them in place for ALL Americans, 100 percent, on income up to 250k. They would only lapse on the income over 250k. In other words, someone with $300k in income would keep the cut on about 4/5ths of that.

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Reply to Birdman and Bacon

To Birdman and Bacon: Very cool how you two make an argument, your combined IQ's are probably way up there...about 65 or 70. You both are so uninformed and confused I'm sure you would fit right in with the democrat caucus in Washington. Fortunately, your mindless prattle about things you obviously know nothing about, shines through. I won't try to enlighten you with FACTS, since you have no intellectual ability to discern what facts really are. My dear departed father was correct so many years ago; Roger, he said, never argue with a drunk or a moron.

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Just as I thought

Casale is all hat and no cattle. Big on spewing Beck talking points ("Sharia Law! DERP!) but folds faster than Superman on laundry day when asked to back up his claims.

Oh and speakin' of IQ, cowardly Casale, HERE is an IQ chart for handy reference.

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Bacon & Sharia Law

The Sharia Law issue has to do with an issue on the ballot in Oklahoma where the proposal was a constitutional change to prevent Sharia Law being used for purposes of wills,inheritance, etc. 70% of OK voters approved but a Fed District Judge issued an injunction preventing implementation,thereby negating the wishes of 70% of OK voters. Google "Sharia Law";Oklahoma for details.

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Sharia law
AtHomeGym wrote:

The Sharia Law issue has to do with an issue on the ballot in Oklahoma where the proposal was a constitutional change to prevent Sharia Law being used for purposes of wills,inheritance, etc. 70% of OK voters approved but a Fed District Judge issued an injunction preventing implementation,thereby negating the wishes of 70% of OK voters. Google "Sharia Law";Oklahoma for details.

All well and good, my friend, but that's not what I was looking for.

I wanted Casale the Coward to show me where Sharia Law was being implemented, not misguided efforts from pandering politicians to keep it out.

Just between you and me, implementing ANY aspect of so-called Sharia Law would be unconstitutional, as the First Amendment specifically excludes government recognition of any religion, and Sharia law definitely qualifies as a religion-based.

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Sharia Law and the US

"Sharia law is Islamic law. Sharia is the basis for every demand that Muslims make on our society. When schools are asked to give up a room for Islamic prayer, that is asking us to implement Sharia law.

When a Muslim wears a head scarf, that is in obedience to Sharia law.

When our newspapers would not publish the Danish Mohammed cartoons, our newspapers were submitting to the demands of Sharia law.

When demands are made for our hospitals to treat Muslim women in special ways, that is Sharia.

When our textbooks have to be vetted by Muslim organizations before they are used in our schools, that is in accordance with Sharia law.

http://thewestislamandsharia.blogspot.com/2010/06/sharia-law-for-non-mus...

So the argument CAN be made that we are already implementing Sharia Law in the US.

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A question then...

Prisons in the United States give Jewish prisoners kosher meals upon request.

Are they therefore submitting to Talmudic law?

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Yes we are

by providing any act or service based upon religious views or beliefs by the State is therefore "catering" to that particular belief system.

However here is were the argument gets a little muddied. When a person is incarcerated and they are not free to exercise their belief system as they see fit then I think it is incumbent upon the State to attempt to accommodate that belief system to a degree.

Now reverse that argument. When a person is free to exercise their religious beliefs it is not incumbent upon the State or any entity be it public or private to accommodate those beliefs or even the lack thereof.

Here is where liberals generally get it wrong.

You can not force a public or private entity to bend to the will of a belief. Using courts to force Businesses, Schools or any other entity to offer anything outside the norm that others citizens require is wrong.

However Liberals often side with Muslims to force employers to allow them to pray 5 times a day, or provide foot-baths or special food or even to force others not to serve or eat pork.

These same considerations would NEVER be allowed by the Liberals for Christians. Especially in any Schools system.

"Requests by Muslims to pray at work have led to clashes with employers who say they cannot accommodate the strictly scheduled prayers."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-10-15-Muslim_N.htm

"Some public schools and universities are granting Muslim requests for prayer times, prayer rooms and ritual foot baths, prompting a debate on whether Islam is being given preferential treatment over other religions."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-07-25-muslim-special-treatment-...

"A discrimination lawsuit filed by a Muslim Dunkin’ Donuts franchisee who was not allowed to renew his contract with the chain because of a refusal to sell pork products can proceed, a U.S. appeals court ruled Tuesday."
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/07/11/muslim-dunkin-donuts-owner-sues-ove...

Sharia Law in New Jersey Courts
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/07/sharia-islamic-l...

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Religious accomodation and the law
Observerofu wrote:

When a person is free to exercise their religious beliefs it is not incumbent upon the State or any entity be it public or private to accommodate those beliefs or even the lack thereof.

Wrong again, my ignorant friend. From the USATODAY Article YOU linked us to:

USAToday wrote:

...Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which says employers must make a "reasonable" attempt to accommodate religious practices "unless doing so would pose an undue hardship," the EEOC says. "Undue hardship" means the accommodation would pose more than a minimal cost or burden to the employer, the commission says.

Be honest here, my ignorant friend.....do you ever actually READ the stuff you link us to?

Observerofu wrote:

Using courts to force Businesses, Schools or any other entity to offer anything outside the norm that others citizens require is wrong.

Reasonable accomodation of religious beliefs is established case law. It has passed muster with the Supreme Court. Don't like it? Rally all your friends and try to change the law....or you can just pout about how "unfair" and "wrong" the law is.

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Bacon even when others are trying to be reasonable with you

you still have to be a classless ass.

It is pointless to discuss this further with you.

btw-as a last point if you would have actually read that ruling you would find it also said "Minimal" requirements not beyond norm.

Go play with your brain you might make it bigger.

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Class act. When confronted with facts (from your own contribution to the discussion) you resort to name-calling. Sad. However - thanks for the enlightenment. The more one is exposed to - the more information one has to form an opinion.

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DM I guess you completely have to ignore bacon's entire post

to come to that conclusion. I guess in your world being called ignorant is ok.

I guess it is also ok to attack ones family and wish upon their daughter to become a crack whore and be assaulted outside a crack house is ok in your world as well.

That might pass for civilized conversation in your world, but not mine.

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Observerofu

I know it's difficult - but don't engage in uncivilized conversation. It takes two. One of my resolutions was to not sink to that level - and I almost made it. It's difficult, and requires more thought than an angry response. Have a nice day.

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Bacon & Sharia Law

All of what you said sounds right to me but would you add/amend part of your comment to read "not misguided efforts from pandering politicians or activist Judges to keep it either in or out."