Dienhart endorses Allen for PTC council seat

New councilman blames incumbent Imker for ‘council discord’

This much is sure: George Dienhart, running unopposed, will have a seat on the Peachtree City Council starting Jan. 1.The question remains as to who will win the other council race: sitting Post 1 councilman Eric Imker or challenger Steve Allen.

Dienhart, it turns out, says he would much rather work with Allen which, in Dienhart’s words, would give the city “two independent voters” on council.

Dienhart ran a campaign pledging in part to return civility to the city council. But some might think that his endorsement of Allen runs afoul of the concept of “getting along with others.”

Except for Dienhart’s assumption that Imker is a big source of the conflict among the city council.

“Everything I have seen and heard from the people I have talked to leads me to believe Eric is a big problem with the discord on the current city council,” Dienhart said. The voters can change that by electing “a good, responsible public servant in Steve Allen,” Dienhart added.

Dienhart said he thinks that both he and Allen will be “independent voters” on council, both striving to vote for what’s right for the city instead of voting with personality considerations in mind.

“I agree with Steve, and I do believe he has the best interests of the city at heart, and I do believe he will be a whole lot easier to work with for myself, councilmembers Learnard and Fleisch and the mayor, than Eric Imker would be.”

Although some of the disagreements on council have been fueled by Mayor Don Haddix, Dienhart said, “You just can’t pin this all on the mayor.”
Imker told The Citizen that he feels each sitting councilmember votes independently, making up their own minds.

“I’m sure that each of the five council members now vote the way they think is in the best interest of the city,” Imker said. “And I’m sure that Allen and Dienhart will do the same.”

Dienhart complimented Imker on his ability to identify budget cuts, but complained that Imker isn’t as focused on growing revenue, particularly in terms of business development.

In terms of avoiding conflict, Imker noted that he has “taken the high road” in not responding to the various political attacks from Mayor Haddix over the past several months.

“I trust the judgment of the citizens to understand what’s going on and realize they have a choice: fiscal responsibility or something else,” Imker said. “They know they get the fiscal responsibility with me.”

In a lively exchange with Haddix at a budget workshop earlier this year, Imker showed his theatrical flair after Haddix insisted that the budget projections for future years weren’t a factor in his fiscal decisions.

That led Imker to mock Haddix, putting a three-ring binder around his head, alleging that it was akin to “putting on blinders” and only looking at this budget year instead of trying to discern the impact this year’s budget would have on the fiscal picture in future years.

At that same meeting, fellow council members Vanessa Fleisch and Kim Learnard also expressed frustration with Haddix’s lack of concern for future year budgets.
“Well I’m going to tell you if we decide we are not here to plan, then we deserve to go broke,” Learnard said.

Haddix was contending at the meeting that the city’s five-year financial model only consisted of “projections” that should not lock the city into spending decisions, particularly when it comes to the ability of future councils to adopt annual budget plans.

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“If” Mr. Dienhart {{{{{{{{{EDITED}}}}}}}}}}

would we still be having this conversation? Please notice Mr. Dienhart I used the word “if”.

Mr. Dienhart had several people convinced that because he used the word “if” he had not actually made any specific claim about Mr. Imker. To that end I offer you, “If worms carried shotguns birds wouldn’t mess with them”.

Mr. Dienhart has but one objective and that’s to follow in the Mayor’s footsteps up to and until he can launch his own champagne for mayor.

I mean no disrespect to any military folks but, as Mr.Dienhart has made a point of affiliating himself with retired military, he appears to me to be an opportunist and someone whom I just can’t respect or trust.

There is no doubt that Mr. Dienheart has aligned himself with Mr. Allen and the current mayor and has made suggestions that he has conferred and/or has been accepted by both Mrs. Fleisch and Mrs. Learnard; both of whom have written to confirm otherwise.

I have the greatest respect for those that have risked their own life for me and my family but I have no doubt that Mr. Dienhart has undisclosed motives for being elected to the PTC council. Plain and simple, I don’t trust him.

I wish I had waited to vote as I would indeed have written in “Mike King” but alas, as I voted early Monday, I wrote in “Elmer Fudd” instead.

As Mr. Dienheart has no opponent he will no doubt be elected. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s elected with the least votes ever recorded.

As per Mr Deinhart, “We are at a crossroads in Peachtree City. We can either struggle along with the current council division for two more years, or we can move forward…”

I ask you sir what division? The PTC council voted and came to a consensus. To what division are you referring?

Citizens of PTC, Mr. Dienhart is not concerned with “our” best interests but rather his own best interests.

As we have no choice but to allow Mr. Dienhart to join the city council lets join together and silence him before he can utter his first words of contempt.

I fully expect to be banned for this post as I had submitted something similar to Cal a few days ago and he had disapproved of its content. If that's the case, goodbye.

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Well Put BAD PTC

The shame of it is that I think Dienhart came into this thing with the right attitude and for the right reasons. It took the Mayor less than two months to brainwash him into hanging on every word of his visionary hero. Dienhart who was supposedly "his own man" who would stand up to the Mayor and do what's right for the citizens, now bases his whole identity on two main premises, the two ideas that Haddix has written in lipstick on his mirror and repeats over and over during his waking moments:

1. The city will fall and crumble within 6 months without a vibrant, taxpayer supported, Development Authority
2. Eric Imker is so evil he must be stoned on the city hall square

We knew coming in that Allen would take this stance; he was hand-picked by Haddix to run against Imker. But Dienhart showed promise and now has shown he is more of a bootlicker to Haddix than Allen. You can't make this stuff up!
One more thing... Cal Beverly gets a bad rap sometimes I think. No matter what he does, he is accused of supporting this or that. Many have said he is a Haddix supporter. Look at the headlines in this week's paper, the last one before the election, and you might think he is an Imker supporter. Maybe he is just a community supporter and wants to deliver the facts. I have found him fair in his actions even when facing certain revenue loss to his paper. With that said, I don't find anything you have said here to be subject to removal. Cal allows, and encourages, free debate here as long as it isn't under fraudulent activities. Nuf said!

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bad_ptc: Well said

George started out as Mr. Consensus and Mr. Sanity and then devolved into a muck-raking toadie who seemingly once he noticed he was unopposed could let loose with more controversial items like the fact that he really doesn't like Imker at all and blames him for not only opposing Haddix but seemingly being God-like in his ability to "corrupt" Learnard and Fleisch to his Satanic agenda.

Dienhart is a real disappointment and seems to be another part of the problem instead of a possible solution. I don't trust him at all either. Mike, Elmer, Cartman....they'd be better choices and I'm going to add to the list of non-Dienhart voters.

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NUK - Dienhart parots Haddix

You should have heard Dienhart at the October 17th DAPC presentation. He spoke of how great the presentation was for building Peachtree City development. It looks like he never once did his homework.

The presentation was two years old. There were drawings of remodeling the Village Centers but not once was there any mention of how much that would cost. Even more basic - there was no business plan that laid out timelines or a return on investment. Now why would we invest what must be several million dollars in this lunacy?

This was obviously a political venue held at City Hall to get hizzhonor's boys Allen and Dienhart associated with the motherhood and apple pie goals of increasing development. Too bad there was no plan - it just makes them all look bad. As a matter of fact, none of them has ever presented a plan to support their motherhood and apple pie goals. I like increased home values too - now what is the plan?

I have not figured out why they are tied to such a weak plan. Someone said that they thought hizzhonor was after the EDC job at DAPC. Maybe that is the motivation.

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Wish

I sure wish there was a way to vote against an unopposed candidate. Leave it at 4 and require a 75% majority.

Steve

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Good point C_Steve

I wonder what happens if you don't fill in anything for an unopposed candidate... you just don't check the box. Is that still tallied as a vote for that candidate? A non-vote? Or a vote against? If you ever add up the numbers for two different races in the same election, the numbers never seems to equal which has always indicated to me that some people just left one of the races blank. If that is true, I wonder what would happen if 5000 votes were cast (i.e. 5000 individuals went up to the voting booth), but only 2000 actually checked for the person who was unopposed. Would that mean they weren't elected?
Points to ponder...

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Write-in

You can always write-in someone else.

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Robert,

Thanks for the benefit of doubt. I will continue to make decisions based on facts, and I will continue to hold those accountable as the facts warrant. In this case I talked to multiple people before making a decision. Eric made no effort to contact me until after Mr. Munford had contacted us. After listening to multiple city employees, I was convinced that both the mayor and councilman Imker were to blame. As much as councilman Imker is trying to run against the mayor (via statements made at the candidate forum), he is not. This further demonstrated that a change needs to be made, and Councilman Inner is up for reelection first.

We have an award winning accounting department here in Peachtree City. They will continue to do an amazing job as we move forward. Steve and I are both fiscal conservatives. Neither of us will allow spending to spiral out of control. We will continue to direct the accounting department to cut waste. We will also ensure that we are doing everything possible to formulate a plan for growth. Councilman Imker repeatedly rebuffed Todd Stricklands call for a local economic development summit to formulate that plan. He also defunded DAPC, before saying he supported them at the candidate forum.

The short version is that Councilman Imker also needs to be called on mistakes. There is plenty of blame to go around in regards to our disfunctional council. Having someone that dumps the accounting departments award winning work into a spreadsheet for the sake of electoral theatrics is not productive.

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Required Reading

I think the whole City Council and incumbants should go to the bookstore, purchase, and then read the Dale Carnegie book "How to win friends and influence people".

Maybe they can all learn something from this book.

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Great Book Hospital...

Tough to implement at all times, but I agree, a must read.

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Highlights of the Book our Council should understand.

Fundamental Techniques in Handling People

1. Don't criticize, condemn, or complain.
2. Give honest and sincere appreciation.
3. Arouse in the other person an eager want

Six Ways to Make People Like You

1. Become genuinely interested in other people.
2. Smile.
3. Remember that a person's name is, to that person, the sweetest and most important sound in any language.
4. Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves.
5. Talk in terms of the other person's interest.
6. Make the other person feel important – and do it sincerely

Twelve Ways to Win People to Your Way of Thinking
1. The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it.
2. Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never say "You're Wrong."
3. If you're wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically.
4. Begin in a friendly way.
5. Start with questions to which the other person will answer yes.
6. Let the other person do a great deal of the talking.
7. Let the other person feel the idea is his or hers.
8. Try honestly to see things from the other person's point of view.
9. Be sympathetic with the other person's ideas and desires.
10. Appeal to the nobler motives.
11. Dramatize your ideas.
12. Throw down a challenge.

Be a Leader: How to Change People Without Giving Offense or Arousing Resentment

1. Begin with praise and honest appreciation.
2. Call attention to people's mistakes indirectly.
3. Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.
4. Ask questions instead of giving direct orders.
5. Let the other person save face.
6. Praise every improvement.
7. Give the other person a fine reputation to live up to.
8. Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct.
9. Make the other person happy about doing what you suggest

Copied from Dale Carnegies Book "How to Win Friends and Influence People"

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All 5 bear some responsibility, George

And after January you will be one of the 5 that shares the blame for the 2012 mistakes. Your desire for city council to act as a team is admirable but both the mayor and Imker are lone wolf types and neither will be satisfied to be on the losing end of a 3-2 vote. Exhibit A is the mayor keeping it up with the DAPC stuff long after that 3-2 vote. Exhibit B is Brown and the Bypass.

Most mature and responsible elected officials vote on something and then support the majority's position even if they were in the minority for the actual vote. This is called conducting business and it is what we expect of out representatives. Of course that all starts to fall apart at the state and national level when party politics trumps everything, but city and county governments (free of party politics) should not have to put up with the distractions that one petty and small-minded sore loser creates. Even the well-deserved censure of the mayor deepens the divide and creates an "us or them" enviornment. Best thing to do is rise above that and let the foolish people stand out with their whining and self-pity. And you don't need to be taking sides - especially on the DAPC thing. Sure Strickland is smart, persuasive and a better representative than anyone who has been on city council for the past 20 years, but the issue has been decided. Leave it alone. Just get a replacement for Grisham with the correct job description.

It is far more important to work behind the scenes (as you tried to do) to broker the correct decisions for the city. You will never be able to reason with the mayor and sometimes you will even have trouble with Eric, but the ladies and you can carry the burden of making responsible decisions. I predict that the 3 of you will do good work and that Eric will support you unless he sees a budget-buster of a proposal. And elected officials talk to each other all the time without having to declare a quorum. I knew you were concerned about that, but it is very easy to talk to Kim on the phone and then hang up and have the same conversation with Vanessa. And then Eric.

Good luck George. Forget about Allen. Best to stay out of it because you will be working with Eric next year.

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George: Award winning?

First, it's the Finance Dept as they do a lot more than just accounting, as I'm sure you know. Also, ask exactly how PTC or any other municipality wins the award you are talking about and you might be real surprised. You basically send in your $ every year and are given the award, no matter how terrible your annual audit from your auditors may be.

There's nothing wrong with the PTC FInance Dept but PTC got into a real mess in recent years due to Council spending and franklypoor management from the then city mgr. There isn't much Salvatore and Company can do when they are given bad marching orders from the elected officials and the person who they directly report to who is also getting orders from the Council him/herself.

If it was solely up to the Finance Dept of PTC to keep the city's finances in order for the short and long-term, I have no doubt that would work beautifully, but that's not how the government operates and it wasn't the Finance Dept encouraging politicians to bust budgets.

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George - Candidate Forum?

I was there... you bowed out. Can you tell me exactly what Imker said that indicated he is trying to run against the Mayor? Or are you beginning to use the same half-truth arguments the Mayor does not thinking the facts will be checked?
Amazing.

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If you were there then you know

That most of what he said in the beginning of the forum alluded to the Mayor, and not Candidate Allen. Allen even had to remind Eric who he was running against once.

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George - Exactly?

George, reread my question. I asked you to tell me EXACTLY what Imker said that indicated he thought he was running against the mayor, and your response is "most of what he said at the beginning of the forum alluded to the Mayor."
You don't know, you weren't there. So stick to the facts rather than what the Mayor and Allen told you, or I will call you on it.

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parking meters at the library

parking meters at the library?? ew, ew, ew, I never suggested parking meters at the library, ew, ew, ew, that could only have come from one source, ew, ew, ew, and I don't appreciate it one bit, ew, ew, ew...

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George - that is scary

Your implication that an "award winning accounting department" somehow absolves you and council from the necessity of having any experience or knowledge with budgets is scary. Accountants provide analysis, not vision. You are already making excuses as to why you and the Mayor don't really need to understand the finances of the city.

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You need to read the whole post Mike,

Not pick out the parts you are trying to manipulate. I never said that, and you know it.

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wrong spot

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Fact vs online fiction

How ironic that the day after a blogger on here who claims to know what Imker eats for breakfast every other Thursday and what brand of tissue he blows his nose with and sounds mysteriously like the clone of a just recently booted lying blogger adamantly stated that Imker never uses the blogs and doesn't consider the papers to be a big political influence, we are reading the fact that Imker mad his strategic move to Dienhart after John Munford contacted him. Just coincidence? Not quite. Not for one minute.

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So, MLC, you noticed the similarity of Greenbelt to a certain

individual too. Wonder how many others have. Sure wish Mr. Beverly would 'crack' this case before the early voting ends and definitely before the regular voting date. I think the community should know just who would do this and how many are involved. A few come to mind----

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MYTMITE - What Cal knows

The thought has crossed my simple noggin that Cal may already know who the culprit(s) is/are and is delaying release of that information, out of a sense of fairness, until after the the election. It really didn't occur to me, until you mentioned it, that there may be more than one culprit still "at large" in the Greenbelt fiasco. Perhaps Call will share with us at the next (highly anticipated) coffee meeting.

Ah well, all birds come home to roost.

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You may be right Major, the same thought had crossed my mind.

I guess my thinking runs along different lines, because I think the fair thing to do would be to expose these poseurs before the election to discredit some of the remarks made by them, if there are more than one. If you go back and read some of the posts on here it would appear that it is a concerted effort, either with bogus names or regulars..There are too many incidents where one posts and the other is right there to back it up--sort of like Roundabout but with a little more sensibility--it will be interesting--but would be of more service to the community to let the voters know just who is involved and who isn't--instead of speculating and possibly doing harm to someone who isn't involved. For instance, many think Imker is either involved or knows who did it--if he is not involved wouldn't it be beneficial for this doubt to be removed--and if he is involved, shouldn't the voters know before the election? Just my thoughts.

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MTM-this case isn't

going to be cracked, as greenbelt knows who he is and will hide till after the election. Just as borntorun and ptcrightnow have come and gone. Of course, that's just a guess. The residents here will suffer if this election goes thru as many on here wish it will. And I'm not talking about Haddix when I say that. I agree with you, let's hope Cal can do at least one more journalistic surgical removal.

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Sorry Stooge Dude!

If you are implying I'm greenbelt, sorry, it ain't me! Being somewhat technologically challenged I would not know where to begin to do what Sussberg did. And what he did was very wrong and so unnecessary. There are enough Haddix critics on this blog (including me) that he didn't need to go and steal someone's id to add fuel to the fire. And I haven't come and gone anywhere either. Just sitting on the sidelines observing the comments others have been making. And also trying to figure out where Dienhart stands regarding his relationship to Haddix. In the beginning he said he was his own man but seems to be aligning himself more and more with Haddix as the weeks go by. And his endorsement of Allen is very troubling. While I admire Imker's focus on the budget, I've never been a big fan of his style and technique. Seems to be nothing more than a big bully. But in the end, he may wind up being the candidate of choice given what we have to choose from. Now, back to the sidelines.

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Must be some of that

Halloween magic...trick

or

treat?

welcome back, btr.

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Already!

Mr. Dienhart, , it’s good to see that you are starting out on the right foot and publically displaying impending strife - most imprudent to begin the attack before you are even in office. It does appear you are of the Haddix school of city politics. While in my opinion, Mr. Imker is clearly a bull in a china shop when it comes to public interactions, no one with a fiscal competence can begin to question his role and his concept in planning for the city. And thus we have the issue, because Haddix has no concept of fiscal planning , something he has clearly demonstrated in his public discussions of the budget. I do believe Haddix has the city’s best interest at heart – I do not believe he is intentially damaging the city. However, his lack of understanding of budgeting, his chronic ethical lapses with misrepresentation of facts, his complete lack of leadership skills as demonstrated by the dysfunctional council, his censure and his presence in the paper and web site as well as his total lack of ability to compromise, all make it impractical for someone of competence work with him. Keep in mind, it is not just this group of council members that have taken issue with him, it is the previous council as well. Of course, Haddix claimed it was that “three”, now it is this “three”. It’s like they say, if you always think your bosses are idiots, maybe it is not your boss. By the way, if Mr Imker had figured out how to grow revenue in the past three years, I would have suggested he run for President - even the best minds of the country (OK, best may be debatable) have failed on that one.

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Deadhart Pulls Out the Knives!

In a pre-dawn attack worthy of a level-9 Ninja, Jorge Deadart launched into sitting councilman Eric Imker for being difficult to get along with! Funny as Jorge has NEVER worked with Imker for even a second on anything! He has just 'heard' this from whomever!

Keep the Deadheart, Allen, Haddix triumvirate at bay!

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I can't imagine a Marine getting in bed with the mayor.

Although it is possible and something to be avoided at all costs.
Imker needs to stay. Allen needs to take his whiny little negative campaign somewhere else and leave us alone. The Marine will come around after orientation and education and with more exposure to da mayor some things will become evident to him. May I suggest that Mr. Dinehart (the Marine) take some time this week to monitor the Haddix/Logsdon lawsuit? I do believe there will be testimony by hizhonor - an obvious eye-opener for the new guy. Hope it is on YouTube.

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Haddix Lawsuit Testimony

On Youtube? Keep us posted on that one RWM... Love to see it.

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Haddix lawsuit on You Tube

I was told yesterday during football by my lawyer neighbor that testimony begins this week - he wasn't very focused on the lawsuit since he is a big Patriot's fan (now that was a good game, I thought), but I'll will definitely pump him for info. Not sure if it is jury selection first or what, but he will know more when he gets back tonight. I get the impression that there is a lot of interest in this from those that hang around the courthouse. I'm really not sure about You Tube either - just wishful thinking.

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RWM

I believe his deposition will be taken. Nothing going on at the courthouse yet.

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Yea, deposition only

I heard that as well. Too bad, but most of the legal crowd predict a five-figure out of court settlement and a gag order so we won't know much and we will be deprived of the side show. I wonder if that will modify his behavior?

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