PTC sewer bills set to skyrocket

Starting Dec. 1, city sewer bills to increase up to 123 percent a month; WASA employees to get raises

Peachtree City residents will be getting some sticker shock on their sewer bills starting Dec. 1.

Most residential customers will see their bills go up $20 a month or more, thanks to an increase passed Monday night by the Peachtree City Water and Sewer Authority. The appointed authority also is replacing a minimum monthly sewer fee with what they term a base fee that will apply to all sewer customers.

For example, if you have been using 10,000 gallons of water per month at your home, your sewer portion of your combined water-sewer bill has been $48.30, based on the current sewer rate of $4.83 per thousand gallons.

After the rate increase, that same 10,000 gallons of usage will cost you $72.50, an increase of 50 percent.

This comes on the heels of a 1.25 mill property tax increase on Peachtree City homeowners voted on by the City Council earlier this year. The council has almost no control over WASA, except to appoint authority members.

Sewer officials said the increase was necessary due to the reduction in revenue over the past several years thanks to reduced water usage and a sharp decrease in tap-in and other fees from new developments.

Sewer officials also noted that capital improvements have been delayed for three years as WASA weathered the revenue shortfalls, which were covered out of the authority’s reserves. Those reserves have dwindled to about $1 million, and WASA General Manager Stephen Hogan said he didn’t want to spend further from the reserves.

The new rate increase includes a minimum $26 “base” bill on top of a $4.65 charge for each 1,000 gallons of water used, down from the $4.83 per 1,000 gallons currently charged.

Non-residential customers will also face a rate increase Dec. 1, paying the new $26 base fee and with a per 1,000 gallons increase from $5.35 to $6.15.

The $26 base fee, Hogan said, will raise enough money each year to cover the authority’s annual $3.24 million debt service payment.

That expansion doubled the capacity at the Rockaway treatment plant to 4 million gallons a day and added a new administration building to replace temporary offices.

Here’s how the rate increase breaks down based on the majority of usage by single-family homes that use:

• 1,000 gallons will pay $10.65 more a month, a 53 percent increase;

• 2,000 gallons will pay $15.30 more a month, a 76 percent increase;

• 3,000 gallons will pay $19.95 more a month, a 100 percent increase;

• 4,000 gallons will pay $24.60 more a month, a 123 percent increase;

• 5,000 gallons will pay $25.10 more a month, a 103 percent increase;

• 6,000 gallons will pay $24.92 more a month, an 86 percent increase ; and

• 7,000 gallons will pay $24.74 more a month, a 73 percent increase.

The increases also take affect on residential customers who use more. The authority serves 9,966 residential customers.

The rate increase was approved on a 4-1 vote with authority member Phil Mahler voting against. Voting in favor were authority members Mike Harman, Jeffrey Prellberg, Tim Meredith and Chairman Wade Williams.

With the slowing economy, WASA has seen its sewer tap-in and other fees slow to a trickle, Hogan noted. Also, after the recent drought, citizens have used less water which in turn has resulted in a significant drop in fee revenue, as sewer bills are calculated based on the amount of water used by a given residence or business.

Prior to the drought in October 2007 the city averaged 110 million gallons a month water usage, but that figure has slipped to 85 million gallons a month this year, Hogan said.

WASA in October of last year enacted the second of two consecutive rate increases that added $3 a month to the average home’s sewer bill.

WASA Chairman Wade Williams, echoing the sentiments of other authority members, said no one wanted to enact the increase, but the authority also wants to avoid letting the system decay by neglecting improvements and repairs, which has occurred the last three years.

“We’ve got a system here that’s 40 years old or more,” Williams said, noting the system has deteriorating pipes . “... No one likes a rate increase in trying economic times.”

Without the rate increase, WASA faced a $3.18 million deficit this year, Hogan said.

Peachtree City Councilman Eric Imker asked the authority to consider phasing in the increase over several years. Hogan noted that the authority has looked at a handful of different ways to enact the rate increase, but this ended up being the best one.

Imker also urged the authority to specifically spell out the reasons for the rate increase so citizens could understand the methodology.

“You’re hitting the average homeowner about $300 a year. That’s a huge impact,” Imker said.

The authority also adopted a $8.46 million budget, up from last year’s $7.81 million budget. Almost all of the increase accounts for new capital improvement projects including a $224,000 program to rehabilitate sewer pipe in the Wynnmeade subdivision, one of the city’s oldest, and also to replace sewer pipe near the Shiloh Mobile Home Park where a pipe failed several months ago.

The budget also included $71,000 in cost of living and merit pay raises for authority employees, although the personnel costs in the budget were down 2 percent from last year due to the authority working with two vacant positions and 26 full-time employees. The cost of living increase in the budget is 2 percent per employee, who can also earn up to 3 percent of their salary in additional merit increases.

Imker, who said the rate increase was “huge” and “astounding,” had urged WASA to forego both the COLA and merit pay raises.

Imker also predicted that Peachtree City residents would be outraged by the rate increases and the salary increases.

WASA Chairman Williams, noting that social security was going without a cost of living increase this year and some city residents have either taken pay cuts or lost jobs, said Imker had a good point. But several motions to eliminate both raises ultimately failed, and the budget was approved with the raises intact.

WASA member Mike Harman told Imker that there have been several large sewer projects the City Council had rejected which would have prevented the authority from being in this position. After the meeting, Harman specifically referred to a request from the city of Senoia to use some of WASA’s extra sewer capacity, 500,000 gallons a day, for which WASA would have been paid a $3 million one-time fee and an additional $50,000 a month.

The Peachtree City Council turned that overture down based on concerns it was enabling further growth in Senoia. The end result, Harman said, was that Senoia went for its own water treatment plant and got a permit to treat up to 2 million gallons a day, some four times the capacity Senoia initially wanted from WASA.

While WASA is a separate entity whose members are appointed by the City Council, it maintains full autonomy over nearly all sewer system decisions except for projects that would provide sewer access outside the city limits. Those such projects are required to gain approval from the Peachtree City Council before going forward.

Harman after the meeting also noted there was a chance that WASA could have provided sewer for the new Fischer Crossing shopping center just outside the city limits in Coweta County off Ga. Highway 34. But that too was turned down, Harman said.

Those kinds of opportunities for significant revenue “will never come along again,” Harman noted.

During the meeting, WASA GM Hogan noted that the authority had made some improvements to its sewer system in anticipation of more than 1,000 homes that were annexed into the city several years ago. But the Georgia Court of Appeals has overturned that annexation, and if the annexation is not reinstated by the Georgia Supreme Court, WASA may never be able to recoup those funds.

The authority also took a big financial hit from its reserves last year as the company which served as the surety for its bonds was downgraded to a CCC “junk” status, which forced the authority to pony up more than $1 million of its reserve funds into an account that can’t be touched, Hogan said.

WASA members are appointed by the Peachtree City Council to four year terms. Of the five members, Prellberg’s term expires the soonest, at the end of this year. Among the others, Williams’ term ends in 2011, Meredith’s in 2012, Harman’s in 2013 and Mahler’s in 2014. Each member’s term expires as of Dec. 31 on that year, according to city records.

In addition to the city’s two sewer treatment plants, WASA also owns, operates and maintains the city’s miles upon miles of sewer pipes, mains and pump stations in addition to other infrastructure. WASA also pumps specially-treated water for reuse at the Planterra Ridge golf course and at the city’s Baseball and Soccer Complex on Ga. Highway 74 South.

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This is what happens when you let a bunch of idiots run a utility. They urge us to conserve water and we do. What is the reward for following their mandates? Punishment, severe financial punishment. They take a pay raise and I take a pay cut. Every dollar I have to give them is one less dollar I can spend on my family and in the local community. For all intent and purpose, it is a pay cut for me imposed by a utility. Sorry shop owners, these fools will be draining our wallets and now you will also suffer for we the people have less to spend in your stores. Time for me to look to put the house up for sale and head to a friendlier place. I have lived here 20 years but now I am fed up!

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$20 per house

.....and how much per store and Industry?

10,000 houses X $20 = $200,000 per year more WASA income, plus all other users of water....must be at least a total of $5-700,000 per year total.

$20 sounds smaller doesn't it?

Who do these WASA people work for? I don't know any of them. How long have they been there? Have any died in office?

Why did they buy this stinking worn out sewer anyway? How many million was the cost anyway.... after the developers and banks used it to get varry richo!

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We the People

I believe that it is time to stand up as a united peoples against crap like this. Remind the governing body that they serve us as PUBLIC servants. We elected them and those elected "officials" need to be reminded of that. Their pockets are getting fat while we the people continue to suffer. Stand up everyone against this tyrannical decision! Say no to unneeded tax and rate increases!

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Oh, now you have done it!
"Public Servants."
You have peed them off now. They do us a big favor by watching after us---not serving!
Indeed, pass the potatoes, Mayor.

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Nice racket. Amazing how the

Nice racket. Amazing how the gallons out always mirror the gallons in, although many never leave my property as they are used for watering.

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So you think the sewer line needs a meter too?

LMAO at the comments by some. I've never lived anywhere where the two (water used and sewer numbers) were treated any differently.

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I'm saying gallons in is not

I'm saying gallons in is not the same as gallons out, not what has happened in all the wonderful places you have lived. They are billing for gallons that are not received, processed and treated. Good on ya for liking it. I don't.

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Hey Elvis...

How do you propose they handle it?

You realize they are going to have to bill us for what it costs to treat the water. I don't care if they measure it or not.

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mispost

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Glad we're not on the sewer

I live in PTC in one of those few houses not on sewer. I am very glad that we are not on sewer.

A number of years ago we were given the opportunity to access sewer. We politely declined, to the dismay of our neighbors.

The sewer bill increase is indeed quite unfortunate !

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WASA pay hikes?????

I was reading along in a “This stinks but I understand the math” mode....and then I got to the part about raises of up to 5 percent for WASA workers. Come again????

Imker is dead right – even if it's just a fraction of the budget, that is a stick in the eye while imposing huge increases on customers. This is one case where I’d say, if the employees want more money in this environment, they can find another job.

It sorta sounds like Harman and his cohorts are giving the city (and its residents) the finger because the city didn’t do what they wanted on expansion.

Well, consider the finger returned.

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what you haven't heard is the "logic" for giving a raise to the sewer workers.
I don't know what it is, but without a doubt there is a logic since the council well knows the implications of one group now getting a raise who have not performed any better than other groups.
If they have we need to know.

It looks suspicious however to not even explain it. Saying they are due a raise for any reason doesn't hold water because if that were true they should have gotten a raise already before the crunch.

What is the logic? Because they are an "Authority," not paid by taxes?
Well it is a tax, if you live here, by an authority!

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Imker taking a stand

Imker pretty much forfeited his right to take any kind of big stand whatsoever when he just backed a 1.25millage increase and also suggests another "one-time tax increase" for Gathering Place expansion.

You know why Imker can run his mouth off about WASA screwing up? Because he doesn't have to actually VOTE on it. So, it's easy for a hypocrite like Imker to just say "WASA bad" since he doesn't have anything to do with the outcome.

Imker talks a fine game until he actually has to vote up/down.

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NUK_1 wrote:

"(Imker) also suggests another "one-time tax increase" for Gathering Place expansion."

Correction - Imker suggested the one-time tax increase if the project gets enough support, but doesn't necessarily endorse it himself.

Need to be careful with misleading attacks.

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Misleading?

The same guy who was adamant about no tax increases and then votes for a 1.25millage increase even though he didn't support it. THAT'S misleading. Some would say highly dishonest if you look back on everything he said before the election as a candidate.

When Imker says that if there is support for a GP expansion and that it could be paid for by a one-time tax increase, that sure sounds like someone who is in favor of the idea, otherwise why bring it up at all? Also, it IS possible to do some projects without tax increases in the first place so I am real puzzled with why he immediately goes with suggesting the tax route.

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They have lost touch.

I wish I had the time to say more but..... given the economic and political climate in PTC, Fayette County, and indeed the nation as a whole, this is just plain STUPID.

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Sewer bills

Looks like I moved out of PTC in the nick of time! That is ridiculous!

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Sewer bills

Looks like I moved out of PTC in the nick of time! That is ridiculous!

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Question

Does anyone know why gas/electric/tel have PSC oversight but water/sewer do not? It must be nice to play with other peoples money without consequences. Once again it looks like poor government planning trickles down to the citizens. -GP

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A $20 dollar straw

I knew at some point a there would be a breaking point, and I do believe I'm ready now to pack up my bags, and take my leave of Peachtree City. It's been a great place to raise kids, but at a high price. I'm tired of paying taxes and fees almost as high as my mortgage.

Good luck PTC attracting new families in this economy. I help people learn to live within their means, and $20 extra dollars a month to many families might as well be $1000. Most are spending way more than they take in.

Your move was in the wrong direction. You should have voted to help your people, not hurt.

I started looking at houses for sale out of PTC last night.

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WASA Is Not To Blame

Sadly, Mike Harman is correct, our Council could have approved sewer extensions to both the city of Senoia and to Fischer Crossings, but there were those of the ilk of Steve Brown, Don Haddix, and others who refused to allow expansion. Now they sit back and stand ready to criticize WASA for doing what any organization must do to remain solvent. Eric Imker is simply swimming up current on this one while those who brought it about renmain silent.

Does our Mayor or Commissioner-elect wish to comment?

PTC residents are looking at a 1.25 mil increase in property taxes, substantial water and sewage fees, the mayor talking about another .5 mil increase next year, and all with likely additional increases yet to come. Add in the ARC goal of an outer loop and Peachtree City will resemble Forest Park in our lifetime.

How much further south must we move to maintain a standard of living that we now take for granted?

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I agree, Mike, when the Mayor is clearly anti business..

What else is supposed to happen?

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Harman of WASA exactly right

The short-sighted ignorance from no-growth zealots and hysterical reactionaries like Brown and Haddix is the main reason that everyone knew(or should have known...it was warned about at the time) this big hit was coming soon. When Photocircuits shut down, WASA lost a big chunk of revenue. The no-growth, no common sense crowd didn't want to accept money from others like Senoia or Fischer's Crossing, so PTC taxpayers get to eat the whole bill. With leadership this abysmal it's no wonder that PTC is on a definite decline right now from where it was not that long ago.

As far as the raises to WASA employees, that's another issue entirely and one that is certainly debatable. However, their raises are a fraction of the big rate hike at WASA. Not saying i agree with giving them raises, but that's not the main issue of why WASA rates are going way up. "WE CAN'T HAVE SENOIA EXPANDING" from the neanderthal crowd is and how that totally backfired completely on PTC.

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I have no idea why we didn't expand across County Lines...

no idea at all. As you say, VERY shortsighted.

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WASA

At the time, I remember Mark Holumns was a Council candidate and was about the only one publically supporting expansion into Senoia due to the large revenue for WASA. That was met with nothing but "we can't allow Senoia sewer or they will build all over our borders!"

Well Steve Brown and Don Haddix and all you no-growth, anti-everything crowd, how did you feel when Senoia instead went to Coweta and got DOUBLE the sewer capacity and WASA lost out on a one-time 3mil + all the future revenue, and yet Senoia can now grow twice as much as planned originally? Pure genius! Twice the pain and zero gain.

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Slightly off target on the criticism

As I recall, the growth issue was very specific to the perimeter of the city. The discussion on this revolved around a GA law that requires the city (or any water authority) to allow anyone to tap in to a sewer line that runs within 500 feet. The opinions at that time were that it was not in the best interest of the city to encourage growth directly on the outskirts of the city, which is what would have happened if PTC ran sewer lines out to Senoia or previously, Tyrone.

While the goal of getting builders to use sewer versus septic tanks is a positive one with respect to water quality, it also allows for much denser residential development along where the lines are run. Which would presumably correspond to the main road corridors which are overcrowded as is...

I don't think it is so easily described as pro or anti-business.

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The growth is going to happen regardless

...as Senoia showed by going to Coweta and getting double the capacity that they had wanted from WASA. The question was never whether Senoia would grow along PTC's borders(of course they will), the question was whether PTC/WASA would get any financial gain to offset the inevitable development. It's the same exact scenario as Fischer's Crossing also.

Standing on principle for NO Development for our neighbors is rather meaningless when they are going to develop whether we like it or not and "we" have a chance to at least get something out of it. Instead, we get a massive rate hike that had been discussed ever since Photocircuits went bust and WASA's revenue took a huge hit.

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A bit more specific is that Mark ran against the mayor for a council seat back in 2007, and one issue was of sewer expansion. Further, my recollection is that if the expansion was granted, then WASA could control the amount and thereby having a say in the growth outside our city limits. Haddix, on the other hand, was adamant in opposition villifying Harman as a Logsdon prodevelopment supporter. We now have higher rates, no voice in the growth of Senoia or Fischer Crossings, and an egotistical mayor who will shortly tell all of us that we're all wrong and he is right.

You do make a good point about the advantage of sewer versus septic tanks pertaining to overall water quality, and maybe his honor will realize this and ease the restrictions on our east side so that finally the Publix shopping center can be considered for incorporation.

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I disagree with the logic that the decision by WASA to not run sewer out to either location means that we gave up any meaningful ability to control development in either Senoia or Fischer Crossings. I am not sure WASA or PTC ever had any. If the Citizen article is correct, the developer did pay to hook up to the Coweta sewer system, and is now presently filing a lawsuit against the Coweta county commission because they will not rezone land previously designated in the development plan for septic drain fields (he wants to use the space for additional retail development).

I believe that a good example of Fayette County and PTC in exercising a proper lever was the decision to nix the TDK extension after a 5K plus residential development was proposed in East Coweta just opposite the proposed extension.

In truth, I have not followed the pros and cons of the Publix Shopping Center issue too closely, but what I have not heard from either the city or the county is that there is a problem related to water quality that might be solved by incorporation (and sewer hookup).

To be fair, I am not particularly thrilled by the rising water and sewer rates. But my problem is with the base circumstances behind them. As citizens, we have successfully dropped our water usage rate and conserved a valuable resource for the county and city. In return for this effort (and investment is water saving appliances), we are now told that we will have to pay more for using less (in order to make up for falling revenue).

Talk about a serious disincentive for any future conservation efforts...

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Haddix: Publix

Publix and Steinmart are already on sewer. A decision by a past Council that illustrates what happens when you allow sewer out of the city.

The owners of the Publix and Steinmart parcels approached us in the last Council to be annexed because of some County regulations that wanted to not be under plus they wanted PTC safety and other services. We pursued it.

We gave them 7 years to come into sign compliance, etc. Mainly signage.

They backed out of the arrangement, for the time being, because of the bad economy. They just didn't want to pay for new signage yet. But having talked to their attorney a few months ago they are still interested.

The County stated the loss of Publix would cost them about $30,000 a year in revenue.

The Governor's Square development and area beyond the tire company, which is part of the Publix parcel, are not sewer. We have no interest in annexing that area plus, you put sewer there then there will be the next development beyond it wanting sewer. It would domino down 54.

So, loosen our standards and run sewer out into the County? Loosen or sign ordinance? Stop being PTC?

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Stop being PTC?

Mr. Mayor this town has stopped being Peachtree City a while ago. People are packing up a leaving this town in droves! Have you noticed all of the "For Sale" signs that are popping up left and right? This town used to be a really nice place to live. that has changed over the past few years. Beautiful landscape of Peachtree City is now overgrown and full of weeds, empty buildings are everywhere you look with new ones popping up all the time, and now the tax and rate increases. You were elected because the people thought that you might be able to do a better job than the last misleading troop of buffoons that were elected. Apparently not.

When you asked the question should we stop being PTC? Sir, this has not been PTC for a long time.

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Mayor

$30K plus in annual revenue to those outside government is a tidy sum, but for those who just raise taxes it obviously means little.

Has anyone actually refused to meet the sign standard? Of course not. Their reasoning for their delay was the bad economy, they don't tax to make up their shortfall. Obviously, the mayor has a problem with extending the eastern border but not to the south. Could it be that Bernie has not informed him that the El Reposo restaurant, across from Steinmart is in the city limits?

No one has said to loosen standards, but some of us thought you had a modicum of common sense.

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R. Butler

I was about to comment about this issue, but you have stated it much better than I would have. Guess folks around here have short memories.

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The WASA would have built up

The WASA would have built up for the senoia deal but we would still be in the same boat. You think Senoia is much better off than PTC? They had to force everyone in the city to hook up to the sewer after joining coweta, and Senoia's growth has stalled, for the most part, because its all planned residential. Only the downtown area is business. 12 Shops, while huge for a town of 4000 people, is nothing for a city of 40,000.

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Not concerned about Senoia

I am talking about the revenues to WASA, especially the 3mil right at the start. I don't want to live in Senoia or think it's better/worse than PTC.....all that is a non-issue to me. They can do whatever they want to. It's just that instead of the PTC taxpayers reaping the benefit of that "whatever," we foot a much larger bill because some noisy folks don't want to see Senoia develop anything and didn't understand that Senoia is not controlled by PTC and WASA ain't the only place to get sewer.

As far as growth in Senoia, I think there will be quite a trend upwards in the future because the conditions in the area are ripe for it in comparison to surrounding areas.

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Yeah, there would be no

Yeah, there would be no benefit. $50,000 a month would not have lasted long, they'd have run to coweta as soon as possible, especially if they were responsible for upkeep.

3 mil start up. Would have been great. But It would have been spent in upping the system. Short term gain long term loss when you have to cover for those who can't afford it.

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MIKE

Just sayin, you seem to know everything, and why aren't you the Mayor?

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pumpkin - mayor

It is my understanding that Mike King did run for public office and obviously did not make it. I am unsure of what that office was but it is obvious that he and eleven others on this site are running an agenda of some sort. I strongly suspect that it is developer/builder oriented but I'm not willing to dig enough to find out the whos and whys.

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MajorMike: Correct

Mike King did run but is short on facts.

In 2007 Mike King ran for Council Post 2 against Mark Hollums, Doug Sturbaum and Dar Thompson. So Mark did not run against me as stated. I ran against Mike Harman (I) and Tom O'Toole for Post 1.

On sewer Mike King opposed sewer outside the city. I opposed it. Tom O'Toole supported it. Mark ran on more cooperation with neighbors, but I believe he opposed sewer outside the city. Dar ran on build and taxes.

In 2007, under Logsdon, the Senoia and Tyrone extensions were denied. In 2008 and 9 there were discussions and votes on sewer to Southern Pines, under Logsdon, with me voting against. As well there was a request for sewer to Fischer that never made it to the Dais due to no support. In 2010, under me, the sewer extension to Governors Square was denied. Those are the most recent votes.

In 2002 WASA began an extension of the sewer for future use due to the heavy use of Photocircuits. In 2005 Photocircuits closed, leaving a large excess capacity behind. I imagine you remember the debates over the wisdom of the expansion.

On the 1.25 Millage, I voted against it and the proposal for a .5 plus other increases are not from me nor do I support them. I oppose the TSPLOST.

That is just some info for what it is worth and a statement I do not support sewer outside the city. Enabling high density development on our borders is not beneficial. Putting sewer into the county or other counties where the 200' mandatory connection law can spread it like a spider web is not wise.

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I knew you would post on here with your "last word".

Clearly, not much vision was used in the expansion of our Sewer System beyond our City borders. Clearly, we were possibly wrong as a City not to look very hard at that possibility.

Clearly I can see how your being against sewage just over Line Creek in Coweta has kept growth under control...or have you missed the "Peachtree City Sams Club" that is almost finished in Coweta County.

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Get your facts straight on Marks. Another example of you and having the 'last word' again. I believe my stance then on sewer expansion had something to do with what would be best for PTC, but since you continue to tax to support your lack of foresight, so be it.

Since both Senoia and Fischer Crossings are to expand with no 'border control' what has the city gained? Regarding Governor's Square, you cannot site a valid reason for not tying that area into the city. Are you waiting for Bernie to grant you permission? The only reason you voted against the 1.25 mil increase is because of the tantrum you had regarding the DAPC position when you didn't get your way.

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Me and eleven others developer oriented? Surely you jest. You could dig and research for the remainder of your life and you'll not find a developer connection outside a casual acquaintance with me.

I did run once and will not subject my family to that crap again.

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Notice I said developer / builder related and I should have included realtor in the same classification. I believe others have already done the research and addressed that.

I don't agree with Mayor Haddix on everything, perhaps not even on most things but the one sided continuous rants get old after a while. I makes me think that direct pac is alive and well. Also it obscures pertinent information shared in these blogs.

To be specific about my complaints on the Mayor; I have a gas golf cart - I have brought forth the issue of "diminishment of value" in emails to the Mayor/Council. At the council meeting where it was discussed publicly Mayor Haddix was reputed to have said "I don't believe it". Councilman Imker was reputed to have said "let them sell them on Craigslist". Well ...... Imkers comment was beyond the pale and Haddix says he doesn't believe it? Don Haddix has been known for decades for over researching topics and he "doesn't believe it? Do we not have a city attorney? Even though I don't currently own a pet, I believe that the leash ordinance was yet another action driven by a few mega whiners. It seems like the two women on the council are the only ones actually listening to input from the GENERAL public.

I would use as an example Ginga1414 and the WFB group as bloggers that could press an agenda and still maintain the high road. I'm at the point on that issue where I'm asking why do we not follow the money trail with an eye toward criminal indictments for some of our elected officials.

Anyway, happy hump day. Bless you for even making the attempt at public office.

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If you have run why not try some positive input,instead of using this forum for for 'bitch' sessions. Several of you guys pound and punch the Mayor and Council. Do you attend the meetings, have you requested an appointment with the Mayor to voice your concerns, offer up your anger, perhaps-------, "o my word", try to guide or help the city? You ran once but will not subject your family again? Well you must see and know what a difficult job with little pay and almost no respect or support is forthcoming. Good God, can't you be men, professionals, and sit down face to face with a man who has lived in this city almost half of his natural life and loves the city? He may not have all the answers but he certainly does not have an agenda to promote his own personal wealth or political interest, he is not seeking the senate. Grow up, if you don't want public office at least try to offer some positive input.

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Keep expanding?

Eventually you wind up in the same boat if you count on expansion to cover costs. Guess it could become the north central Georgia sewer system. If water usage has dropped to around 77% of previous usage shouldn't the treatment costs drop proportionately? Believe I've heard that inflation is zero so no added expenses there.

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That 'same boat' currently exists as consolidation continues throughout suburbia.

Perhaps the lack of oversight may be a future issue as another blogger noted, but our leaders have successfully created an island, so to speak, for our town. Consider a dwindling population with a corresponding drop in school enrollment, additional fees for useage of city facilities, nearly two-thirds of city revenue going to personnel costs (and rising), continuous tax hikes, and a city council governing by survey, and surely you can see the Peachtree City aura has escaped. Add to that a Mayor whose sole attribute is to alienate anyone or any agency that differs from his stance on issues, and you see the reason for the lack of cooperation with our Coweta County neighbors concerning WASA.

WASA is only doing what Peachtree City has been doing for years, protecting its employees at our expense. The difference is that we actually need water more than we need a city staff.

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Mike, what consolidation?

Do you mean like Sandy Springs, John's Creek and the half dozen new government entities that have sprung up over the last few years.

One item from the original posting that baffles me is the pay raise. City freezes pay and COLA for second year. SS has no COLA for second year. WASA wants pay raises? Go figure.

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Mike: It is What it is

I have learned one lesson very well: When you find a nice, clean, quiet place to live KEEP YOUR BIG YAPPER SHUT!!!! Don't tell anyone how happy you are. I have already bought a second home for my retirement it is nice, safe, clean , and quiet.

I watched Rivercrimedale fall after the Delta families moved and it looks like we are in for it again. It wasn't pretty the first time around, but with the economy such as it is, this could get ugly.

I wouldn't object to higher taxes and fees if I thought it was being spent wisely. Sadly I think our current council will just find more foolish things to p-away our hard earned money on. I wouldn't be surprised if they put in a second covered bubble pool for us to heat all winter.

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SKYSPY - MIKE- AND THE REST OF YOU

Get a room.

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You are absolutely correct. All of us did a bit to much bragging and paid little attention to those we elected to represent us.

Like you, I have aquired the acreage I think I need to retire and do a little organic farming. It certainly isn't PTC, but my taxes are miniscule comparatively.

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MIke : New Horizons

Exactly!

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Wall Street Hedge fund managers

Are being paid more this year than last year!
But you see they get paid on how much crap they sell......the Sewer guys and the Authority guys get paid on how much crap they move!

I even pay them extra to move my lawn watering which they never see!

Can't this be contracted out at half price? NO? It is an "Authority" isn't it?

What do they spend all them millions on?

Are "Authorities" favored by Conservatives? Wouldn't they want to run the crap themselves, locally?

Who are these people anyway on the Authority? Never heard of any of them! I am cloistered I suppose.
Bet they are retired Pilots and Colonels! They can pay extra few hundred easily!

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Had to get my bull crap boots on for this one

WASA Chairman Williams, noting that social security was going without a cost of living increase this year and some city residents have either taken pay cuts or lost jobs, said Imker had a good point. But several motions to eliminate both raises ultimately failed, and the budget was approved with the raises intact

Pay raises with this economy. You are dumb asses. Ya thats right look in the mirror and you will see one looking back at you.
If they dont like their pay FIRE THEM. There are to many that will take those jobs away from them and do a better job. Most of them dont do a days work anyway. Kind of like union workers.
This is just stupid. What goes around comes around. Remember that

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You guys dont get it...-- YET

RECOMMENDATION:

Start packing...

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I happen to like it here..

Send us a postcard when you're gone.

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Well just pile it on!!!!

Property taxes UP
Sewer taxes UP
SPLOST UP (maybe)

Maybe the city will buy some of the "under the water" homes in PTC?
Then they can raise the taxes again!

What did we pay for that sewer system, and to whom? And who was Mayor?

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CHR$ and "pile it on"

So are you ready to join a tea party movement near you now? ☺

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cylist, about that local tea party
Cyclist wrote:

So are you ready to join a tea party movement near you now? ☺

Cyclist, had you read Cal's latest editorial, you'd recall that the local Tea Partisans are just not interested in local politics.

The local Tea Partisan apparatus appears to exist for two reasons:

1. To lament the dwindling influence of white males over 50 in national politics, and
2. To "save babbies for Jesus"

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Bacon

Honestly, I didn't read it.

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Bacon, Local Tea Party & White Males

I guess Herman Cain just got lost on his way home one night and stopped in to speak, hoping to find directions. The man is no fool--he knows what the deal is and willfully signed up.

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Jimbo, you are correct
AtHomeGym wrote:

I guess Herman Cain just got lost on his way home one night and stopped in to speak, hoping to find directions. The man is no fool--he knows what the deal is and willfully signed up.

You're right, Jim. The more I think about it, the more I realized that the local Tea Partisan organization also finds time to whine about state politics as well.