NAACP map splits 11 of 36 Fayette voting precincts

Fayette Co. asks court to rule against ‘racial gerrymandering’

In the legal battle over how citizens are elected to Fayette County’s board of education and county commission, both sides are now sparring over the map proposed by the plaintiffs including the Fayette County and national branches of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP).

The NAACP’s proposed map splits some 11 of the county’s 36 existing precincts in order to create a new district that contains a majority black population among voting-age residents in that district, according to a filing by the NAACP and several local residents listed as plaintiffs in the case.

The new fifth “minority majority” district proposed by the NAACP would stretch all the way across the county to include black residents in both Tyrone and Fayetteville. In defense, the NAACP claims that Tyrone and Fayetteville residents “attend the same public schools, share places of worship and recreation, are patients of the same doctors, belong to the same civic, political and homeowners organizations, participate in fraternity and sorority events, shop together and advocate for district voting in Fayette County.”

The NAACP and plaintiffs are asking the court to enforce district voting in Fayette County in an effort to make it easier for a person of color to be elected to both the school board and the county commission.

District voting would be a sea-change from the current political process, at-large voting, which allows all residents to vote on all five seats for both the BoE and the county commission. District voting, in contrast, would limit residents to being able to vote for just one of the five seats on each board because their vote would be tied to a particular geographic district instead.

The Fayette County Commission has fought the lawsuit and has filed documents seeking summary judgment in the case based on the theory that the NAACP’s proposed district voting map was drawn almost exclusively based on race, splitting several precincts.

The NAACP, however, contends that its map expert did not commit racial gerrymandering when drawing the map.

The county contends the NAACP’s map creates a majority-minority district that is not sufficiently compact to meet federal requirements.

In response, the NAACP claims that its demographic expert took account of “non-racial factors ... including precinct and municipal boundaries, incumbency, school attendance zones, respecting the one-person, one-vote principle and compactness.”

According to court filings, the NAACP’s plan splits the Sandy Creek district as one example. But the NAACP contends that its proposed 5th District map follows “already existing political lines in Fayette County” for two-thirds of its perimeter.

The Hopeful and Dogwood precincts were split on the proposed map “to protect incumbents” according to the NAACP’s filing.

The Fayette County Board of Education has attempted to settle the lawsuit with a consent decree this spring, but that decree was overturned by the court shortly after it was adopted because the county commission, as a co-defendant in the lawsuit, had not approved of the settlement.

School board representatives have said they are trying to spend as little money as possible on the lawsuit given the school system’s recent financial straits.

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What is this costing?!

What is the cost of this lawsuit? I'd like to know what it's costing each Fayette homeowner in property taxes. Obviously, the NAACP has plenty of money for petty political purposes, which it gets from tax deductible contributions and grants, which shouldn't be tax deductible for this use.

And, its position that skin color is the main determining factor as to who can be a better representative sure smacks of racist politics to me. Anyone who would vote for someone simply because of his skin color deserves what he gets, but I don't want to be dragged down with them like we have been nationally.

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I say countersue the NAACP!

We need to put an end to this organization all together. How is the NAACP not a racist group? They are reverse racism! If white folks decided to come up with some organization, it would be called racist. The KKK are viewed as racist - and years ago, yes they did terrible things I would not advocate, but now, in a since they are the white version of the NAACP. But, they are considered highly racist, where the NAACP is not. If blacks want to run and they are qualified, they will be elected, simple as that. I'm sick and tired of hearing all this junk about "that's racist". No wonder we can't work as one. It isn't the whites who keep the pot stirred. We don't have all black colleges, or all black tv stations and you don't hear anyone filing lawsuits about that, of course not. If they did it would be racist. This organization is a prime reason we can't get past the segregation era and move forward.

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I say countersue the NAACP!

We need to put an end to this organization all together. How is the NAACP not a racist group. They are reverse racism. If white folks decided to come up with some organization, it would be called racist. The KKK are viewed as racist - and years ago, yes they did terrible things I would not advocate, but now in a since they are the white version of the KKK. But, they are considered highly racist, where the NAACP is not. If blacks want to run and they are qualified, they will be elected, simple as that. I'm sick and tired of hearing all this junk about "that's racist". No wonder we can't work as one. It isn't the whites who keep the pot stirred. We don't have all black colleges, or all black tv stations and you don't hear anyone filing lawsuits about that, of course not. This organization is a prime reason we can't get past the segregation era and move forward.

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hsh87

Good points, however; I would like to propose another idea.
We need an Amendment to the GA Constitution that would make it illegal to divide any county in Ga into multiple State or Federal Districts.
In other words, Fayette would HAVE to be either in the 3rd district or 13th not BOTH, same with state legislation districts, Obviously for County politics the county could have multiple districts. The notion that the people in Fayette County have been divided simply because of "living on the wrong side of the tracts is a very antiquated way of living."

This kind of Amendment would
1) Tick off a bunch of established life long politicians all across the state
(that in and of itself is reason enough to proceed )
2) Stop the practice of having a District starting in Dekalb Co, and ending via a river channel in Savannah. (Cynthia McKenny's old district)
3) Cause people to be more involved when choosing which county to live in
4) Make it far easier for Businesses to relocate or build in a Proven business friendly County/District
5) Simplify the understanding of which district one lives in

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Certainly sounds better than

Certainly sounds better than what has been proposed. I do not understand why the NAACP fought for desegregation and now seems hell bent to segregate themselves again.

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Split County

Why don't we just dived the county into two. We'll call it, oh, i don't know, maybe White Fayette and Black Fayette. The racists in the NAACP will be happy then.

Get Real here. Any decision made that takes race into consideration is wrong. Ask the Firefighters in New Haven.

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Split County

Why don't we just dived the county into two. We'll call it, oh, i don't know, maybe White Fayette and Black Fayette. The racists in the NAACP will be happy then.

Get Real here. Any decision made that takes race into consideration is wrong. Ask the Firefighters in New Haven.

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Let those pushing this agenda

Let those pushing this agenda secede from Fayette County and join Clayton County where they already have a "predominately" Black government. Send their kids to Clayton County Schools and jails when that time comes.

Why can't the NAACP (ever see them fight for any other color?) leave what has worked well for many years alone. Their members can live here and enjoy what many before them have built, they don't have to come here to destroy; which is what will happen or is happening.

And before the race card is played, which I'm sure it will; just look to the nearby counties, Clayton and Dekalb; to see what will happen when the government is forced to change due to color.

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Option for those preferring Clayton County's setup.

To keep me and others from being dragged down unwillingly by race activists in the county, simply allow Fayette homeowners an individual option to select the county they would like to join without regard to borders.

That way, those who prefer the system in the county next door can pay school taxes to Clayton County, send their kids to Clayton schools, choose Board members who reflect their racial preferences, and let Clayton politicians steal their tax money.

Give the homeowners a sixty day "return policy," after which time their selection for their piece of property becomes permanent. However, if they return within the trial period, they have to accept our current system and quit challenging it.

If this were possible, it wouldn't take two weeks for anyone with a brain to come back.

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Woody

I see you choose to have Ronald Reagan's picture as your icon, , Well done!
Especially considering RR promised and Failure to allow States to determine "public" education. I also see you favor RR in choose now, and,,the end of choice ,,Bravo, What an Individual Independent way to think ! No way to ever "see the light', as years ago "you" voted against "us" ,,and we'll be damned if ya get to change your mind....(Like Ronald Reagan did with the Dept of Education)...Woody,,WOW what a forward thinking person you must be ! ..NOT

Woody, I was ALIVE during the "Reagan" years, I paid attention to what HE did,, and YES while he made the US militarily stronger in mass, he also weakened the US abroad with his "Do it America's Way or else" policies,,
IRAN is a problem directly from REAGAN'S policies ,,(and Ike's for that matter ......

History IS THE teacher,,,,Woody, for the love of God pay attention TO our HISTORY ....

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Quall: Reagan

He didn't give a damn about anything resembling "states rights" as he advocated and got approved a "national" drinking age of 21 or "no highway funds for you. "Besides the examples you aptly pointed-out correctly, that was one of the biggies, sort of like REPUB Nixon hammering the 55mph speed limit or no highway funds for you mantra.

Oh yeah, let's not forget about the biggest deficit spending in history(at that time) and largest tax increase in history(at that time) either. Or, bozos like Ed Meese, maybe the worst AG in history still to this day, even though he's been succeeded by some real losers since, or SC appointments(UGH!)Greatest expansion of the federal govt in history?

Not saying Reagan was a "bad" President by any means, but the idea that he was some kind of "constitutional conservative" is a total joke of a myth that a lot of Repubs still cling to. They say "well, Romney isn't Reagan." How not? Because he can't give great speeches and inspire? In political principles, they are EXTREMELY similar from flip-flopping on abortion multiple times to their great love of big government and big spending along with big military. SIGH

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Dude,,, how dare you (and I ) defame the god of current "conservatives"..
R Reagan was simply an Obama in Republican Clothing ......
oops did I say that out loud?

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Let those pushing this agenda

Let those pushing this agenda secede from Fayette County and join Clayton County where they already have a "predominately" Black government. Send their kids to Clayton County Schools and jails when that time comes.

Why can't the NAACP (ever see them fight for any other color?) leave what has worked well for many years alone. Their members can live here and enjoy what many before them have built, they don't have to come here to destroy; which is what will happen or is happening.

And before the race card is played, which I'm sure it will; just look to the nearby counties, Clayton and Dekalb; to see what will happen when the government is forced to change due to color.

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NAACP wants "Jim Crow" in this case

The NAACP reminds me of a child with a kaleidoscope. Just keep turning it till you get the colors you want in place.

This country is decaying from within because of the NAACP and the civil liberties crowd.

It hasn't been about the best or the brightest for many years and it shows.

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Why is the NAACP in favor of segregation?

Why does the NAACP continue their quest to divide our city and country along racial lines? Why do they wish to bring us back to the days of segregation?

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Because a "fair share" of only 12% is not enough

The NAACP is not satisfied with equality - 12% of the population is black, so 12% of the leadership positions seems like equality to me, but they want more than that. They are "entitled" to that, so to speak. Making the playing field level is no longer good enough, someone has to pay for he abuses of slavery and what better target than Fayette County?

The fact is that in the election before last, 3 black candidates ran, fought with each other, refused to consider consolidating their support behind 1 viable black candidate and the white guy won without even a runoff. That's too bad, but since they can't work the election process properly to get their 1 black commissioner or one black BOE member, then some judge is going to have to do it for them. That's the new normal in America - judges settle elections, citizens don't.

If they get 1 person of color elected out of 5 commissioners or BOE members, that's 20%. Anybody think that's enough leadership for 12% of the population?

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Their "Fair Share"..

.. is never "fair" nor do they like to "share".

They want equal outcomes not equal representation or equal justice.

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Gee, maybe I am naive but since everyone has the right to choose

where they live and apparently do so (of course finances are involved to a certain extent) why do districts have to be drawn in order to establish "black" districts? Thought this is the sort of thing we were trying to avoid when restrictions were taken away as to where people could live. If I live in a predominately white area and a black is elected to represent my district, am I automatically to assume that person is not going to represent me? I would think we had proved that people could vote for someone of a different color when we elected a black president almost four years ago and expect that person to represent them. Guess not.

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Gee, maybe I am naive but since everyone has the right to choose

where they live and apparently do so (of course finances are involved to a certain extent) why do districts have to be drawn in order to establish "black" districts? Thought this is the sort of thing we were trying to avoid when restrictions were taken away as to where people could live. If I live in a predominately white area and a black is elected to represent my district, am I automatically to assume that person is not going to represent me? I would think we had proved that people could vote for someone of a different color when we elected a black president almost four years ago and expect that person to represent them. Guess not.

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What a bunch of crap!

What a bunch of crap! nothing more needs be said on this.

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A sign of the times

There is an article in another Fayette Newspaper discussing a woman who is using "occupy" resources because her house was foreclosed on. The woman is retired and got a mortgage of over 400K on an adjustable rate mortgage and wasn't going to be able to make the new payments. I agree she has had some tough breaks but I am sick of paying for people who buy what they can not afford. I don't have a 400K house and all the people who bought what they could not afford is why her house is worth less than 200k now. If you look at foreclosures it is not about job losses (although yes there are some) but about people who thought they could buy 400K houses on 50K incomes...and the government who pushed to make these loans possible.

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Let's move this away from the "HOME"

The Government (ours that WE voted for) declared "everyone should have a house"
Ok fine sounds good ,,,right?
Now let's apply this to another "RIGHT"

Everyone should be ,,,,,

Peter Smith, 17 years old, just passed his Private Pilot Check ride in a Cessna 152, He's a Pilot !!! but hey, he has a RIGHT to the same things as a Woman that has spent the last 40 years accumulating 30,000 flight hours. Peter has 50, BUT under the "Fair {housing}Pilot Act" He's entitled to have her job. He filled out the "right papers' dotted his I's and crossed the "T's" and was approved simply because of his economic situation and race to become a Captain on Boeing's new 747-800ER that Delta ordered....

Ok folks let's see you put YOUR ass in a seat where your mouth is at

Sorry but there is NO difference in this issue

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QC & The "Captain"

Can't imagine anyone believing such a scenario.

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Not a senario

Rather meant as a strong comparison, This is after all what was done in the Housing Finance Market Brand new 50hr total time applicants where handed the left seat on equipment they didn't even know how to adjust the seat....

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Hey Rolling Rock

You know of anyone ever getting a left seat designation who only had 50 total hrs? Hell, I've got more than 50 hrs right seat time--wheere do I sign up?

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50 hr TT

I hear AA might be looking to hire s few Jet Blue rejects ....

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QC & TT

Won't work for me--it was all in a mil version of the Beechcraft Twin Bonanza.

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Fond memory of the Ole G50F

L23 Seminole The REA: Seminole, unlike that underpowered NO SE performance thing Piper came up with.

I always thought the Twin B should have been called The Prince Air,,,lol

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QC, Twin B & Princeair

Yeah, but you wouldn't have said that if there never had been a Queenair! Also had time in the deHavilland Beaver but as a Technical Operator, not AC or CP. Also never really logged CP time in the Twin B because I was not rated--in other words I did the job but not officially because of a piece of paper.

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D50 Beech

With those GO480's screaming at max and augmenter tube exhaust....Good Gawd was it ever loud.

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Cy & Lycomings

But you loved it didn't you! I know if we had a sortie late, I could stand outside and hear it coming from miles away and always knew what it was! And with 680HP, that sucker could get off the runway pretty quick--maybe even without flaps!

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RE: A sign of the times

I just read the same article. An almost half-million dollar home? Yes, very tough break with the cancer but if she'd bought a home she could afford from the start..none of the current problems would exist. I don't understand that mentality (fake it 'til you make it?) and probably never will.

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WC & "Sign of the times"

Lady made a bad decision and was not prepared for the consequences. Also, I know nothing about her, but note the absence of any male presence in the household--good on her for being a sole provider but unless you've got other sources, paying a 2-3K monthly mortage on retired pay won't make it. I know I've never had a mortage payment over 1K in my life--simply by living within our means,wherever we were.

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We all know someone

We had a hot shot couple down the street. Nice house (but 2 kids slept on a mattress on the floor with no other furniture) fancy leased vehicles, went on nice vacations, threw good parties, lol. ALL ON CREDIT.

Knew something was up when I noticed them removing fixtures or replacing features with cheaper materials.

Wife apparently got laid off and family had no savings. Had a few garage sales prolonging thier misery, but ended up moving away and leaving the neighbors to mow the lawn until the bank finally got involved.

Also had a neighbor (original 25 year home owner), kept refinancing to buy new cars. Had to move out when they could no longer afford the ARM. Now we are stuck with rental neighbors.

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A sign of the times

There is an article in another Fayette Newspaper discussing a woman who is using "occupy" resources because her house was foreclosed on. The woman is retired and got a mortgage of over 400K on an adjustable rate mortgage and wasn't going to be able to make the new payments. I agree she has had some tough breaks but I am sick of paying for people who buy what they can not afford. I don't have a 400K house and all the people who bought what they could not afford is why her house is worth less than 200k now. If you look at foreclosures it is not about job losses (although yes there are some) but about people who thought they could buy 400K houses on 50K incomes...and the government who pushed to make these loans possible.

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Ten years max and this once beautiful county will be in the dumps just like Clayton county. There will be trail wore on each side of the road (like Tara Blvd), the county will be building larger jails instead of schools and business will be boarded up all over the county.

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I remember hearing that same argument... 15 YEARS AGO.

People need to spend some time outside of the county to realize that Fayette County is still a very nice place to live.

Fayette County will never be what Clayton or Henry counties are due to zoning. There are some areas that may decline, but we do not have the abundant tract housing that plagues these other counties and creates the ghettos these counties are experiencing. This is a fact and will not change as long as the county sticks to the land use plan.

Could someone please point out where these paths worn along the highways exist? I agree that they are sign of a bad area, but I have not once seen them around here and I drive Hwy 85 every day.

To the NAACP, stop attempting to create "black districts". That is so incredibly racist. We are never going to get to a true post racial status when you guys keep insisting on crap like this.

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Ten Years?
sparerib wrote:

Ten years max and this once beautiful county will be in the dumps just like Clayton county. There will be trail wore on each side of the road (like Tara Blvd), the county will be building larger jails instead of schools and business will be boarded up all over the county.

Huh???? Have you not been paying attention? We have the bigger jail, there are trails on both sides of GA85 and there are numerous boarded up businesses in Fayetteville and Peachtree City? Your picture is already here and the decline will contuinue. We have no one to blame but ourselves due to our poor selections for our representatives.

Bob

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Last person leaving town bring the flag with them.