Mayor touts savings, Dienhart wants ‘reform,’ Logsdon cites ‘return to civility,’ Jolly opposes SPLOST

Candidates for the Tyrone and Peachtree City councils face the public Saturday at the Fayette County Library in Fayetteville. From left, front row, are Tyrone candidate Pota Coston and Peachtree City candidates Stephanie Franz, Cathy Haddix (with microphone), Mike King and Kim Learnard. Back row, from left, are George Dienhart, incumbent Don Haddix, Ryan Jolly and Harold Logsdon. Photo/John Munford.

Councilwoman Learnard: "SPLOST a good business decision"; Mrs. Haddix opposes, says PTC must make budget provisions for its own expenses

Four of Peachtree City’s five mayoral aspirants put their ideas up for public consumption in a candidate forum Saturday hosted by several groups at the Fayette County Public Library in Fayetteville.

Political newcomer Ryan Jolly took the stage with former City Councilman George Dienhart, former Mayor Harold Logsdon and incumbent Mayor Don Haddix. A fifth candidate, Vanessa Fleisch, was absent due to a prior commitment.

Dienhart positioned himself as the reform candidate, advocating the hiring of a public safety chief to oversee the fire and police departments and also for the implementation of zero based budgeting to further cut costs. Dienhart was first elected to the council in late 2011, having moved to Peachtree City four years earlier. He resigned his council post in August to run for mayor.

Jolly meanwhile said one of his largest goals is to “bring functionality back to a most dysfunctional government,” noting the biting disagreements and verbal tiffs that have happened at council meetings on more than a few occasions.

Likewise, Logsdon spoke of the need to “return civility to the mayor’s office,” renew an emphasis on ethics and rebuild relationships with the city’s neighbors.

Haddix bragged that he was able to save the city over $1 million a year in increased efficiencies and said the city needs to re-activate its former development authority to seek out small and medium size businesses that can’t be targeted by the county development authority.

One of the more important questions asked was whether the candidates supported the proposed core infrastructure Special Purpose Local Option Sales Tax that will be decided by voters in November. Haddix and Jolly opposed it, while Dienhart and Logsdon favored it.

Most of the city’s projected $14 million share from the two-year SPLOST would go towards road and cart path maintenance to plug an annual $1.5 million gap left by the exhaustion of funds from the 2004 countywide transportation SPLOST.

Jolly said the sales tax is a short-term fix for a long-term problem, saying the city should have budgeted for road and cart path repair instead of hoping for voter approval.

“We know we’re going to use it. We know it’s going to wear out,” Jolly said.

Haddix opposed the new SPLOST, saying it would cost $200 a year to the average homeowner when the city has already raised taxes and needs to “get its house in order first,” instead of issuing a new tax.

Dienhart said the new SPLOST was “a no brainer” because it would cost more to raise the millage rate or take other actions to raise the money. He added that he wanted to use the new SPLOST “as a bridge to sensible budgeting” so such a measure wouldn’t be needed in the future.

Dienhart did not explain what areas of the budget he would cut to get to the annual $1.5 million in savings necessary to accommodate road and cart path repair, but said the budget deserved a look at each line item.

Logsdon said he supports the new SPLOST in part because it is a consumption tax and also because the previous five-year SPLOST allowed for a number of transportation items to be taken care of.

“People don’t come to Peachtree City to live in a second-class environment and we’re going to have to pay for it,” Logsdon said.

The candidates were also asked how they would “solve” traffic on Ga. Highway 54 West.

Logsdon made a case for extending MacDuff Parkway, adding that it wouldn’t completely solve the problem. He noted that while a study of the area seems a bit much, it’s probably necessary.

Dienhart disagreed, saying any study should be funded by the Georgia Department of Transportation instead of the city so state taxpayers and not city ones, are footing the bill.

Jolly said a friend of his who is a road engineer suggested a bridge over the intersection that would allow the existing traffic light at Ga. highways 54 and 74 to be removed.

Haddix said the true solution lies in road improvements outside of Peachtree City, which he contends is “completely bottlenecked” on Hwy. 54 West.

Explaining his concept for the public safety chief’s position, Dienhart said he wants an out-of-town staffer brought in to help resolve issues at the police and fire department.

“The problem is we’ve been slapped with some lawsuits over the past few years, and the way to fix that is through a public safety chief,” Dienhart said, arguing that the departments need a culture change.

Candidates were also asked individual questions that others couldn’t address. During that portion of the forum:

• Logsdon was asked about his management style. He replied that he believes in giving guidance and direction but avoiding micro-managing.

• Dienhart was asked about how to use his role as a regional leader to have a positive impact. He replied that he already has an “excellent working relationship” with other regional officials and suggested he was the only mayoral candidate at the forum who has done that consistently.

• Jolly said part of having a balanced budget means funding “regular maintenance items like roads and cart paths.” He also added that he wants to get more young people involved in the city.

• Haddix said there were areas in which the city could trim costs. He also touted his role with other governments in the region, saying he was friends with the mayors of Riverdale and Union City, for example. Haddix also said he promoted the city at events hosted by the Georgia Municipal Association.

• Logsdon said he supported efforts on economic development because commercial development brings in far more revenue than industrial revenue while new residential development has a negative revenue attached to it.

• Jolly said he did not support a new traffic light on Ga. Highway 54 West to serve a gas station and restaurant which are part of a larger undeveloped shopping center.

Several questions were also asked about county government, despite the fact that the mayor won’t have any jurisdiction over county affairs to speak of, as those powers are expressly delegated to the five-member Fayette County Board of Commissioners.

The candidates were also asked about district voting for the county, another moot issue because not only is it out of their jurisdiction but the issue has mostly been settled with a ruling from a federal judge that requires the county to adopt district voting in lieu of the county’s current at-large voting procedure.

The event was co-hosted by several Fayette County groups including the local branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the local Fayette County Issues Tea Party and the Fayette County Democrat Party.

Forum marked by absenteeism of some council candidates

Several city council hopefuls in Peachtree City joined a counterpart from Tyrone in facing live questions Saturday at a candidate forum sponsored by several groups at the Fayette County Public Library in Fayetteville.

There was a certain lack of fireworks due to absentee candidates, as the only race drawing all competitors was the Post 3 seat in Peachtree City. In that race, incumbent Kim Learnard faces challenger Cathy Haddix, the wife of incumbent Mayor Don Haddix.

While Mrs. Haddix said she opposed the countywide core infrastructure Special Purpose Local Option Sales Tax, Learnard said the option will be up to voters, as she never committed to a position on the sales tax. Learnard did say “a good business case” could be made in favor of the SPLOST.

If Fayette voters shoot down the tax in November, the city will need to find another revenue source for an estimated $1.5 million a year in road and cart path maintenance.

Learnard said the SPLOST would cost the least for taxpayers based on an analysis done by Peachtree City Councilman Eric Imker.

Mrs. Haddix said the city needs to first address its own budgeting issues before taking on more spending through a new sales tax.

Mrs. Haddix argued that the city needs to reinstate its development authority to help get more businesses to come to Peachtree City. She also advocated more citizen involvement “because we have a lot of things that need to be shaken up, so to speak.”

Mrs. Haddix also said Peachtree City has been ranked as the least affordable city among other cities its size in Georgia.

Learnard said she has helped expand economic development in the city and voted for a balanced budget while restoring recreation programs including those for seniors.

At the same time, the city has cut the budget significantly over the past four years to create a sustainable budget, Learnard said, admitting that it lacked road and cart path funding.

“Every department in Peachtree City has been cut to the bone,” Learnard said. “We’ve cut so much that the potted plants in the lobby of City Hall haven’t come back.”

There are seven options that have been devised to solve the road and cart path funding issue, Learnard added.

Learnard said she has showed leadership by remaining positive and working diligently for the city, adding that she is invigorated by meeting with residents on various issues several times a week.

“I like to think of it as I have 35,000 bosses,” Learnard said.

In questions posed to individual council members, Mrs. Haddix said she didn’t think the raises approved for city council members were unreasonable, but later she clarified that she would not pursue a raise while in office.

Responding to another individual question, Learnard said one of the city’s biggest issues is a need to look at its borders to determine how to control growth.

Peachtree City Post 2 candidate Mike King was the only one of three candidates for that seat to appear at the forum, as Shayne Robinson and Austin Chanslor did not participate.

King said he won’t “massage the truth to make things look better” but wants to apply fiscally conservative principles and specifically to resist increasing city debt.

King said he also supports hiring a public safety director to oversee Peachtree City’s police and fire departments, specifically to replace both the police chief and fire chief’s positions.

As for the core infrastructure SPLOST, King argued that roads and cart paths need to be funded from the general fund budget and a SPLOST should be for special projects instead.

“A SPLOST is a crutch,” King said, noting that with a budget north of $29 million the city should be able to fund road and cart path maintenance. “We need to live up to our responsibilities, not abdicate them.”

King also said one of the city’s biggest challenges is bringing amenities to the city so young families come back to Peachtree City, citing how his three children have not come back to live here as adults.

Asked about the largest budget he has handled, King noted that in his work with the Centers for Disease Control, he worked on a pandemic influenza immunization plan that cost more than $300 million.

King also made a pitch for switching city elections to even numbered years which would save $80,000 and increase turnout because it would coincide with presidential elections every four years as well.

The race for Peachtree City Post 4 also resulted in just one candidate appearing, as Stephanie Franz was on hand and challenger Terry Ernst was absent.

Franz, a political newcomer, admitted to being a bit nervous and “green” but said she loves Peachtree City and wants her 4-year-old child to grow up here.

Franz said she wants to get more young people involved in city affairs, saying she felt the recent National Night Out event could have been better attended by families.

Asked specifically if she would approve spending city funds on a college and career academy in Fayette County, Franz said she would, in part because the county needs to attract younger people.

“Bringing a college to town would be a wonderful thing and I would vote yes,” Franz said.

Franz said the city needs to broaden the tax base by bringing in more businesses and finding a way to redevelop neighborhoods that need to be revitalized.

“You can’t have families if you don’t have businesses here to employ them,” Franz said.

Franz said she supports the core infrastructure SPLOST.

Tyrone Post 3 candidate Pota Coston was on hand, while incumbent Ken Matthews did not appear at the forum.

Coston said she wants to revitalize the downtown area, citing a current lack of reasons for residents or visitors to walk or drive their golf cart there.

Coston said the vacant Tyrone Elementary School building could be an opportunity to help the town in that regard. She also wants to see a Livable Centers Initiative plan to help create “a vibrant downtown.”

Coston also noted that the town doesn’t have a budget shortfall, but good business sense is needed in weighing taxation decisions.

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Haddix got 5% which

is exactly what I predicted.

Even the neophyte politician, Jolly, beat him.

The citizens of PTC can now rest easy! Haddix got what he deserved for his awful performance during the last four years and he rightfully earned the distinction of being the most disliked former PTC Mayor.

Thursday night's council meeting should be interesting.

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LongTimer ----OMG that is too funny

see you at Ynots. Attention Chief Of Police hope you stake a car outside so all these folks won't get in their cars and kill somebody, you know they won't have just one. I sent you an email.

Poor ladies in city hall, I know who you are voting for and it is not the "X" , god knows, when I worked there he had so many of you crying with his split personality, depending on the day. I forget the lady who passed away during his tenure, but certainly she knew why and how to handle him. At least she took the brunt of it and only when she was out, especially during her very difficult time during her illness, which eventually took her life, she was the wall.

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Pumpkin: When I worked there?

Funny, if you worked there, I'm pretty sure you would remember the name of the "lady who passed away during his tenure".

"X" - "so many of you crying with his split personality"

What did you do there? I must have missed you...

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mrobinson_ptc

Maybe you did not see her because ya'll did not work the same hours. Hmmmm. Does the city have a crew to tidy up the building after business hours? Since you do not do that job may be that she does. That would splain why you did not see her. Not facts just opinions

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Pumpkin

What happened to Donnie boy. Let me guess his nose grew from lying and now the smart people have spoken

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You stay Classy 'punkin

Did you ever get your sign?

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NUK_1, I know he doesn't actually leave until

January, but maybe he will be so embarrassed that he will keep his mouth shut for the remaining two meetings, but that is probably just wishful thinking on my part.

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Sure looks like Cal shut da mayor's mouth on here

Hope that continues to January and beyond.

If he's too dumb to get a second identity and comeback as a rabbit or squirrel, he's too dumb to be mayor.

Wonder if Harold, Mike and Terry will form a government in transition before January and interview candidates for city manager and police chief - you know, like Brown, Barlow and Ognio did with Rapson.

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So if Harold wins

will they be holding the Council meetings at Y-Knots? Just wondering.
Two for One specials until till the Gavel swings.

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Where is Y-Knots?

Where is Y-Knots?

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Same center as Partners Pizza

Outside deck is nice at times, kind of smoky inside. It is a real bar, no minors allowed.

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Thank you

I remember now. In the center breezeway. How's the food?

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Y-Knot

It's rather typical bar food.....it's "OK." It's owned by the same folks that own Partner's and they also have part ownership of the shopping center too. If you're really hungry, Partners is a better choice :)

They do make a Spicy Bloody Mary that is very good.

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Fine with me, vote early vote often

Had it with Haddix

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Robert Morgan

I'm beginning to think you and the others are right!

Haddix hasn't been heard of for some time and that must be killing him to not be able to respond to us.

What a relief it has been not having to read his nonsense which is essentially me, me, me, I, I, I.

That seems to be about the extent of his vocabulary.

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Haddix, the long awaited day has finally

arrived. After today you will have a new title - Ex Mayor of PTC!

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americanpatriots: Don't forget...it's January

before formally not being Mayor any longer. While he'll be a lame-duck with no council support, I doubt he'll go quietly into the still night and we'll have to hear some more of his BS until then.

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Sad turnout this morning

I know this is an off year election, but gee wiz, there were a whole 3 people at the polls this morning at 7 am, and one left because the poll workers weren't moving fast enough for this woman, who didn't want to be late for work.

Was told by a poll worker that there were over 1,200 early voters.

Sure hope the pace picks up and more voters turn out.

An Nuk, you're right, he won't go quietly. May go to Thursdays meeting to see the fireworks.

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All of my neighbors voted early

Including me here in PTC.

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Need Important Info On Mike King

just go to postings he's made on this site in the months before he tossed his hat in the ring. Some were disgusting, most sounded like a mad man and so hateful. I for one would never allow this vile man to speak to me the way he has commented in writing, it certainly gave me a permanent impression of what anyone knowing him has to deal with(exception his service friends who would take it and mimi).

so interesting how you all have attempted to start vetting others running, with comments not nearly as vile as you have had for our mayor; I will give you a clap not applaud for that. interesting as well how some have changed their mind, some question their own stated decisions and perhaps some who have really started thinking.

yes it will be interesting and you will win with your vote, when our mayor, Mayor Haddix is reelected; the most qualified, the most experienced, the most educated and certainly most honest, answering every question and laying IT ALL out to see and decide.

I know you will continue to fight for our city and the betterment with your vision Mayor Haddix, the very best man for Mayor.

before you cast your vote, think about it, and remember............

'follow the money'

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Go back in your hole

It has been nice not hearing from you so just leave the election is over for you and Donnie boy he may get 5% if he's lucky?both of you can just bite me

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Ummm, Cathy, Mike King is a good guy

Don't diss him the night before the election, please. He may have an opponent (not sure) and we don't need some fringe candidate sneaking in as people like Haddix and Brown did during low turnout years.

And Cathy, did you really say this:
"Haddix is reelected; the most qualified, the most experienced, the most educated and certainly most honest, answering every question and laying IT ALL out" Seems like too much info too soon before the election, but we will let God and the voters be your judge.

BTW, where has da mayor been? Broke his pinky at the gym and can't blog or did Cal throw him off because he can and did- as I would certainly do. Huh, Cathy?

Follow the money? You mean the $120 the campaign has or the $12,000 Stumpy's lawyer has?

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Raised the most

or spent the most on themselves?

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H & V

IF you were confused by my comment. It looks like they both far outpaced their competition. Unless I am reading the article wrong...

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I see a run off..well that part is fairly obvious..

between the two candidates who raised the most monies. That's my prediction and I'm sticking to it.

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Harold Logsdon Liar Flyer

"We can ensure the quality of life you deserve and expect, including our water quality and recreation."

Harry, the rhetorical "we" man. The great leader, big money communicator. The team builder. The last election loser.

Let's break this down now, shall we?

Oh Great Harry is going to ensure your quality of life, whether you deserve it or expect it. Tell us, please, Harry, we want details.

Oh Great Harry is going to ensure our water quality? By whose authority, Harry? You got your name on the Water System chain o'command list in some secret invisible ink? Gee, Harry, seems you could have stuck your unwelcome nose into their business that LAST time you had the mayor title, but you didn't, did you? Just let good old Tony Parrott run the our filthy water into the sewer, along with your former BOC buds.

Oh Great Harry is going to ensure the quality of our recreation? Now is that the same recreation that our current staff has just spent 3 million of our bond dollars cleaning up the inner city trashed out, broken down recreation and ballfields and parks that you and your former home-buying partner in name only city manager totally neglected and left to (btw, A for effort to them) volunteer dads and moms to maintain?

What a bunch of hooey. Get on your cart, Harry, and spend your retirement at the Braelinn Club sipping those cool refreshing beverages after your too tough day on the course. Or better yet, take your campaign cash and give yourself a run at Westmoreland in a few. I am sure there will be many women up in DC who are used to being yelled at in meetings by those such as yourself. Hillary can teach you a thing or two about that. Return to civility, my a#@.

You fooled us once, Harry. Shame on you. Fool us twice? Shame on us.

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"Last election loser?"

What election did Logsdon lose? News to me.

I'm not a Logsdon supporter myself, but I don't recall him losing any elections. I remember him not running.

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"Last election loser?"

That would be the citizens of PTC

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Scuse me, Nukie

Some of us with average IQ's make mistakes.

Last election loser is wrong. My apologies. Must have been remembering the insurance run from which he stepped out of.

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Conundrum

The question still remains

Who of all the candidates will represent the city the best?

I know who I am not voting for, just don't know one out of the 3 possibilities in my mind

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Well husband, it is fairly easy. Just pretend you are a big shot

business owner who is going to by some land and build an industrial facility or maybe just rent some office space and you want to get a feel for how business-friendly the local government is. There's no PTC Development Authority anymore, so you go into city hall and ask to see the mayor. You meet the mayor, have a nice discussion, get all your questions answered and you leave with a real good feeling about Peachtree City and you decide then and there that this is where you want to be.

So, who was that mayor and what was your impression of him/her?

It really is multiple choice and you can even make multiple selections because there is going to be a runoff, but the way I see it:

Jolly- seems pretty young for mayor and didn't really know too much about business.
George - a little creepy, but a Marine. Doesn't like the city manager or the chief of police. Is a Republican.
Vanessa - nice presentation and she'll also sell you a house or 30 houses if you have 30 employees - and no, that is not a conflict of interest. She brought Kim to the meeting to answer the hard questions.
Harold - distinguished elder statesman making a nice presentation and willing to share the stage with the city manager.

That's pretty much it - 2 below par, 2 that can handle the very most important thing - bringing jobs to PTC.

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Distinguished elder statesman???? Just what is it you are

smoking these days Robert? Even wacky tabacky wouldn't make you come up with that one!

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"Distinguished elder

"Distinguished elder stateman"--- yup, that could only come from Morgan, the developer shill. When Mr. Logsdon was Mayor he was brazen enough to form a business with the city manager, which counted on city inspectors passing their projects. Almost as big a conflict of interest as when Jim Pace, developer, was on city council and would stroll down the hall to see how the approvals were going. Oh, and I forgot about Mayor Lenox--- he appointed the guy was then currently building his house as chairman of the Planning Commission. No, Harold is the same old same old. Frankly Morgan could not be swayed even by a Horgan cigarette from his true loyalty--- the development crowd. Morgan-- you probably have a beaming smile every time you pass on 74 through Fairburn.

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You one uptight turtle. Mytmite too. This is parody, people

Read more carefully. When you see something like this:
"and willing to share the stage with the city manager.

you should have figgered it out.

And Jim Pace was only on council to get the PCDC sewer sale to the city done. He didn't influence anything else but that $28million deal. BTW, what is 10% of $28million? Or even 5%? Just askin'.

Nevertheless, I remain convinced that Logsdon and Fleisch are the only ones who have a chance of attracting more jobs to PTC. I see the others as a scary Halloween image - at least in the eyes of successful business owners who are used to dealing with real grownups. Our city deserves top notch representation by an articulate, professional, well-groomed and confident mayor. Since that ain't gonna happen this time, pick the one that won't embarrass us. Hint, hint, you didn't do that last time.

And thanks, Spy guy, glad somebody gets it.

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Parody, Sharody, Robbie me lad. If thee be joshing what makes

thee think I am serious? But I think you do protest muchly---I know you would love to see the old regime back. I heard you were pining away for one of those refurbished homes hizonner does so well. Mayhap there would be a 10% discount as a result of your kind words.

p.s. I have been called many things but uptight is not one of them.

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Pretty good comments about the race..

Good work.

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H & F My choice

Hi Husband and Father

Harold is my choice. The three members of the council we have running for mayor (Haddix, Deinhart, and Fleisch) all seem to personally claim all the credit for any good such as DOT looking at the 54 lights while expressing outrage at anything they think voters may not like. We need a leader who is going to expect staff do their jobs and hold them accountable, represent the residents of PTC to entities outside of our city, and bring a professional and collegial approach to our City Council. While we all have seen the toddler like behavior including the silent treatment from this council, Mayor Logsdon’s previous years as mayor demonstrate he can bring us back a reasonable standard of decorum we can all be proud of.

Further he has demonstrated he can be a city leader without being a city manager which we already pay for. Our city governance model is designed for a weak mayor and strong city manager. I believe Harold can communicate the will of the citizens and allow the staff to execute it. Unfortunately, the stories of micromanagement from members of our current council are frequent, disturbing and disappointing.

To be honest, we all have faults and Harold is no different. But what sets Harold apart to me is that he has been open both publically and privately about things he would do differently in a second term. I appreciate a leader who can admit when they are wrong and learn from it. Unfortunately for a majority of our mayoral field, seeing or admitting to their mistakes is not strength.

Recreation is a priority to me as a coach, a player, former league board member, and a father. In the letter to announce her candidacy Vanessa Fleisch suggests we turn over our recreation assets to outside tournament promoters and sideline the taxpaying residents (the result of her proposal). We already have a number of tournaments that existed before she came to office and will when she is out. The amount of income to the city would be small to city compared to the effect of bringing jobs to Peachtree City. Mayor Logsdon was part of bringing Sany to PTC and his business friendly and professional demeanor will help our city attract new companies to our town.

Therefore, I am going with a leader that may not be perfect (neither am I) but has proven to have the grace, focus, and leadership necessary to bring focus back to bringing jobs and value to the voters of PTC.

No matter who you vote for please vote.

Take Care,
Neil

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Neil: Voting

As an early riser, I am usually one of the first to arrive at my polling place. I plan to be there tomorrow, coffee in hand, and wish all the poll volunteers a good morning as they finish getting set up.

I think I am with you for the Mayoral vote for the same reasons. Other than Learnard, I still have questions for the other two council posts. Wish some of the newcomers had provided more information about themselves.

I will also be voting no for the splost and yes for the Sunday sales since I think we need to even the playing field by allowing Sunday sales in the county, like the city.

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Trust me Neil, the bar is set well below perfect

in this election and probably in most.

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Haddix, your lack of support

should tell you the citizens of PTC have had enough of your nonsense!

Only one more day before you get what you deserve for the way you have conducted yourself over the last four years!

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Jim, you're right

But his supporters only trail Dienhart by 2 according to each candidates report to The Citizen.

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Husband & Father

Don't understand your comment.

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Financial Supporters

According to the candidates donation report, Haddix has 0 financial supporters and Dienhart, a whopping 2 financial supporters.

Tomorrow will be interesting.

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Anyone wanting to chat with George

can find him standing on the side of 54 West at Ethan Allen with 2 of his children. Would someone please bring him some sunscreen a hat if you do go?

I am sure you can have quite a conversation, since it took 24 minutes to get from Bank of America to his spot. Love these payday weekends and the church crowd traffic. Love it.

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I never understood

The point of standing on a street waving. Who in their right mind would vote for someone because they waved at them? Logsdon did it Friday night on 74. Who would stop and risk getting hit to ask questions, and if the kids are there, common decency would prevent asking tough questions anyway.

Sit by the Library, go to the ball fields on a Saturday, go to a scout meeting, church, ect..

If I were the cops, I'd politely ask anyone to move from 54 or 74 for safety of all.

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It's tradition here

even superior court judge candidates have stood at that corner. No harm, lot's of visibility.
The law allows it and pd can't touch them.

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Is it a southern thing?

Is it a southern thing? Weathers better, ect

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OOPS

Candidate just posted and invited a poster out back for a discussion.

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Mike King Arrest and Intheknow's deleted comment.

Since somebody deleted intheknow's comment, that the "recent comments" still showed the lead line for, I was quite curious to see what he was referring to when he started by saying the July 9th arrest reports on this page caused him to think a particular candidate would throw his hat in the ring. Obviously, I first thought this was going to be something about another Dienhart arrest, but was rather surprised.
"Michael S. King, born in 1982, of Highgreen Ridge" was arrested by PTC police. Very interesting!
A quick google search turns up enough evidence that it seems this is our candidate Mike King's son.
Yet another candidate with a track record of slinging mud at the police who has some family arrested by them.
I was wondering why Mikey's only real platform as a candidate was eliminating the Chief he's always complaining about. Oh, and changing election schedule...

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This is exactly what I was talking about in my reply to the blog

by Husband and Father,et al. It is beyond disgusting that people are rooting around like pigs in a gargage pit to find something on the candidates. The sad part is they gleefully scrape the bottom of that pit to impart information about divorces, children and whatever else they can find that is deleterious to that person and their family even when it has nothing to do with the candidate and their qualifications for the office.
We can no more hold someone responsible for the actions of their adult child than we be held accountable for our parents. I applaud Mr. King for his reply. I wonder just who among those bringing up these issues will have the gonads to take Mr. King up on his offer to meet them personally to discuss it. I think it is safe to say that there will be no takers. Keep at it all your sanctimonious blowhards, just watch out for those projectiles heading toward your glass houses; and they will be coming because there are those out there who will do the same to you.

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Leave His Kid Out Of It

Sorry DWKK07 but you are out of bounds with this. Whatever actions Mike Kings 31 year old son take are no reflection on Mike. And as much as I detest Haddix I would say the same thing if it was his son. A 31 year old man should be held accountable for his actions....not the parent.

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DWKK07

Yes, that is my son. Now should you wish to discuss it further I will be happy to accommodate. My only stipulation is that we discuss in person. I'll leave the time and location up to you.

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Good answer

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Mr. King

I can see that you are not cut out for politics and it's the same for me.

Now, can you explain to us all your support for the position of Public Safety Director?

1. What are the goals of this position, how will they be measured and how often.
2. Who will this person report to?
3. What will the position pay?
4. What are the essential background requirements of this position?
5. How will the position be funded?
6. What problems do you hope to achieve through it's creation?

Please answer these questions so I and others may understand your rationale behind this recommendation to the people.

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PTCO, all of you need to know something about Mike King

You might like or dislike his position on the questions you pose, but he won't take seriously any invitation to answer questions or debate by an anonymous nom de plume in a public forum. Mike is old fashioned enough that he expects a challenge to be face to face, whether toe-to-toe or over coffee. You clearly have expectations of him in order to vote for him, you should understand his expectation of anyone asking for answers to be man or woman enough to tell him who you are.

Terry Garlock

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One more thing Mr. Garlock

I have been to Mimi's at least 5 times since the beginning of the school term, I haven't seen you yet. You do have a nice sign on the wall by your table though. We'll meet, and maybe Mr. King will be there too. I hope so.

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Mr. Garlock - I understand

however he is running for public office and has proposed the creation of a new position. I, like others, am attempting to understand what problem(s) he believes he will solve in creating this position.

I don't dislike his position, I was simply trying to understand it, how he would measure success and how much it would cost us.

I believe, that given the local nature of the question, it doesn't matter who I am. I am a citizen of PTC, a taxpayer and a voter. There are many people that post to this blog that fit the same profile. It would seem to me, that this forum would be a perfect means of outlining Mr. King's logic for this proposal. It's too bad he doesn't feel the need to communicate this using The Citizen as a tool. After all, he has communicated his positions using this forum before.

BTW, asking questions of a candidate about how our money will be spent, is not a "challenge", it is a public duty.

If Mr. King is elected, I will ask again that he answer these questions on this forum.

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PTCO, I take your point . . .

. . . but I think Mike sees the wisdom of staying off these blogs as a public official. You are one of a few who often has thoughtful things to say, but as a whole an official posting here is a no-win situation as some people feel free to behave with the manners of a hyena with the cover of anonymity.

I'm not implying your questions are out of line at all, just that I know Mike well and I predict he simply won't respond. But if you contact him he'll be glad to talk to you. My email is terry@garlock1.com if you'd like to contact Mike or schedule coffee with me or both of us.

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Blogs - Mr. Garlock

I am not quite sure how to respond to this but I'll give it a go.

At midnight, Mr. king had no problem sharing his thanks for being elected using this blog, I appreciate he took the time to share his thoughts. I only wish he would share his thoughts when it will cost us money to execute his position.

As to not using this blog because there are those that may act out in inappropriate ways, even bazaar ways, shouldn't deprive those that simply want answers. Why would he refuse to post because of a few ingrates? No one takes them seriously anyway. I believe Mr. king is a much bigger man than this excuse.

Finally, when the questions were asked Mr. King wasn't a public official and he still isn't. Not that this really matters. So, in the spirit of inclusion and reaching out to as many of PTC's citizens as possible, I would hope that Mr. King feels compelled to answer the questions posed surrounding his proposal. His cogent well thought out argument for his position will I suspect be appreciated by most reading this blog. You certainly must believe this or you wouldn'l take the time or effort to write a column which I enjoy so much.

Looking forward to our eventual and eventful meeting.....not too eventful though. ;-)

I remain,

PTCO

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Having met Mike King a few times before.....

...at "Citizen coffee meetings" at Starbucks, he's about as easy-going and unassuming as anyone you would ever meet and it's not like he's going to get heated over a difference of opinion.

Speaking of Citizen coffee meetings, where the heck is Kevin these days?

People that want to know more about candidates or ANYONE ELSE ON THIS PLANET....just go sit down and talk to them. It's almost always going to be civil and then you won't be running around going "where does so and so stand? what do they think? What are they like? OMG...the sky is falling!"

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Nuk & KMK's location

If he's not still in Enid, OK, I don't know where he is. Rolling Stone knows and can relay a message to him.

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NUK_1 - The purpose

of asking Mr. King, Mr. Dienhart or any candidate to answer questions on this forum should be obvious. It is to get their positions on the record, to as many voters as possible, in their own words, without translation through a third party like PTCO. It is to answer questions that I am certain they have considered before taking their position. Why is it that we can't hear them?

What are we to assume with their silence? I actually wanted to vote for Mr. King, but couldn't given his silence.

Don't worry, the sky isn't falling, at least not on this reader.

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I am going to miss the comedy myself

Just saying.

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NUK, that would be the sensible and right thing to do but then

they couldn't speculate and prognosticate and make up scenarios---much more fun for those dead-heads than learning some facts. It has sickened me to see how people have started with nothing and fabricated out of whole cloth situations that had nothing to do with facts--but then why would they let a small thing like facts stand in the way of their blustering and posturing? Let's hope that once this election is over those people can find something else to get their heart rates up other trashing candidates, or am I asking too much?

I, too, as you know, have met Mike King at the 'coffees'. He was always pleasant, spoke his mind in a civil manner and respected the other person's point of view.

As for Kevin, I was wondering the same thing. Got to talk to him on the phone sometime back but have misplaced his phone number--miss him. Maybe we can have a 'coffee' get together sometime in the near future. Have been unable to make the last few and missed them. May the best suited people win tonight---so our community can get back to what it used to be--or again am I asking too much? Hope not.

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I respect that point of view

Especially from our elected officials for sure.

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PTC O: You won't get an answer on his reasoning

I don't think you'll see an answer to that question. I don't think he has an answer to that question. Both he and George have taken the position and completely failed to defend it when challenged, despite answering other questions.
My first reaction to the comment above about King's son was to think it was out of bounds... but it really may not be. I, for one, do not have any intention of judging any candidate by the action of their relatives - I'm sure we all have family members who have made mistakes.
However, information like this may be important to understanding the motivations or platforms of candidates.
One could consider this to be especially true in the context of a candidate with a long track record of firing off slanted, and sometimes ignorant, statements on these forums - and then taking a political stance without offering an intelligible explanation for it. Saying "it will save money" is simply targeting the low-hanging political fruit - the unfortunate majority of voters who either lack the will or the critical thinking skills to analyze the validity of a candidate's positions. "Gee, he said he'll save money, must be good!"
That being said, I'm sure he'll win the seat and we'll get to see if he has the integrity to make decisions best for the city once he actually has all of the information - even if it isn't consistent with his personal priorities or whatever he may have spouted out in a campaign to buy votes.

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PTCitizen

From my observation, since Mike King declared for a council spot, he has been off these boards. You offer up your opinion as fact, but of course, it is just your opinion. Why would Mike have to debate anything about his family on this site? Since we're operating on opinion here, my opinion is he has a hell of a lot more integrity then you display in your post. You're basically calling him a liar, in the future, just because You might not agree with his opinion. Funny, you sound amazingly Like Steve Brown, don't let facts get in the way of truth.

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Missed the mark on that one...

I did not offer my opinions as fact... read my post again.
I did not say he should debate anything about his family on this site.
You're free to your opinion about my integrity or his... though my expression of an opinion above is not likely a useful exercise in such judgements.
I am not calling him a liar in the future - I legitimately hope that he displays integrity in how he makes decisions once he gets in office. I have no way of knowing if he will.

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Hutch866 - Perhaps

You speak on behalf of Mr. King?

If so, can you answer the questions posed on the Director of Public Safety by Mr. King?

Seems like we're not getting too far with any insight into his thinking on this proposal.

I am not concerned at all with what Mr. King's family does or doesn't do, I am however very concerned with any proposal by Mr. King that uses more taxpayer money.

If he can respond to the absurd on this board, he should be able to respond to issues related to his candidacy.

If not, then I will vote based on this fact.

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PTCitizen - No answer

from Mr. King and Mr. Dienhart, is an answer. At least to this reader.

Taking a position, any position, that puts taxpayer money to new uses requires a well thought out and logical argument. The fact that we're not getting this from either candidate says loads about how qualified they are to hold office.

It is not their money, it is our money and if they are going to hold office they should be able to articulate how they will use it.

There's still time for them to think this through and give us answers to some pretty basic questions concerning this new position and their support for it.

Mr. Dienhart attempted to answer but his answer was not an answer, it certainly was not well thought out. In fact, he had no idea how much the position should pay. I would assume that pay should reflect what problem we are attempting to solve and how much it is costing us in not solving it......

Still waiting I remain,

PTCO

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That's a stupid idea of George's that will go nowhere

I think George cooked this up because he thinks a Public Safety Director would be a great reaction to Skip's legal problems with the sick and lazy secretary and Ed's Lothario (look it up) complex. George was trying to get both Mike and Terry signed on to this idea so he had something to bind them together and to give his (meaning George's) campaign a concept - rather than just not being Haddix. Mike may have said he'd consider it, but I doubt he's committed to it, so don't be tying this dumb idea around his neck. I doubt Harold or Vanessa will be on board with this either - making it a moot point.

The drama in the police and fire departments has nothing to do with structure, it has to do with having effective people working within whatever structure is given to them. If we had a stronger city manager and a mayor that someone respected, Ed would have been fired two years ago (not just allowed to retire) and Skip would have been told to stop the purge of people that liked Murray and just run the department.

You don't need a Public Safety Director any more than you need an assistant police chief or an assistant city manager (remember that debacle?)

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Have some class

First, your subject title is very misleading. Second, King has advocated his same positions way before July of this year. Third, IF it's his son, it's his 31 year old son who is an adult and accountable for his own actions.

Digging up candidate's adult family members who may have been arrested is ridiculous and just sleazy.

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Intheknow: your disappearing comment

Intheknow: you posted a comment earlier about an arrest report in this paper, but your comment seems to have disappeared. Did it get deleted? The first sentence, seen on the recent comments page, has me curious: regarding a previous arrest report indicating something about the election. Please do share.

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Dienhart Work Experience & Education from his LInkedin page

George Dienhart's Overview

Current
City Councilman at City of Peachtree City
Past
Senior Consultant at Consorta
Consultant at Nuevista Group
QA Manager at Hewitt Associates
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Education
IBM Education Services
Recommendations
8 people have recommended George
Connections
500+ connections
George Dienhart's Summary

Mr. Dienhart is an experienced QA/QC Manager with over four years of supervisory experience. Currently, he manages a staff of 10 and has built and implemented a QA methodology from the ground up. This methodology has replaced less effective policies and procedures, throughout the Information Systems practice. He possesses Project Management skills coupled with experience in managing test teams. He has developed and implemented QA/QC methodologies at multiple clients. These methodologies emphasized industry standard best practices. His responsibilities have included creating test conditions, scripting test cases, metrics, automated testing, documentation of requirements, executing test cases, report generation and summary, and he has worked with SQL, Oracle and DB2 databases. He has tested systems utilizing cutting edge technologies such as MQ Series, MSMQ and XML. Experienced in mainframe, client/server and web based testing as well as a strong background in the financial field. Mr. Dienhart has worked in Windows, UNIX, MS DOS and Macintosh environments.

Specialties
Life Cycle design and implementation, QA Methodology design and implementation

George Dienhart's Experience

City Councilman
City of Peachtree City
January 2012 – Present (1 year 11 months) Peachtree City

Senior Consultant
Consorta
June 2006 – March 2007 (10 months)

Consultant
Nuevista Group
2006 – 2006 (less than a year)

QA Manager
Hewitt Associates
April 2004 – July 2006 (2 years 4 months)

Director Faith based outreach/Sr Field Rep
Turn Around Team PAC
December 2005 – March 2006 (4 months)

Faith Based Outreach Program/ Sr Field Representative
Rauchenberger for Gov
August 2005 – January 2006 (6 months)

Lead QA Engineer
Extendedcare.com
November 1999 – May 2005 (5 years 7 months)

Lead QA Analyst
Chicago Board of Trade
2003 – 2004 (1 year)

Lead QA Analyst
Caremark
October 2003 – May 2004 (8 months)

Lead QA Analyst
US Cellular
January 2003 – May 2003 (5 months)

Consultant
Ajilon Consulting
April 2002 – May 2003 (1 year 2 months)

Lead QA analyst
Citi Commerce Solutions
April 2002 – December 2002 (9 months)

Lead QA Analyst
Sears
2000 – 2002 (2 years)

Consultant
Spherion
June 2000 – December 2001 (1 year 7 months)

Lead Test Engineer
RR Donnelley
June 2000 – September 2000 (4 months)

QA Analyst
discover
1998 – 2000 (2 years)

Lead QA Analyst
Harris Bank
1995 – 1998 (3 years)

3072
USMC
February 1985 – May 1991 (6 years 4 months)

George Dienhart's Skills & Expertise

Testing SDLC Process Improvement Quality Assurance
George Dienhart's Education

IBM Education Services
2005 – 2005

George Dienhart's Additional Information

Interests:
Baseball, Football, Technology
Groups and Associations:
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Connected Marines
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Hewitt Associates Alumni Group
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Marines in IT
National League of Cities logo
National League of Cities
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Politics on the Rocks
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Red State Warriors
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The Few
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Dienhart's Loss

It had all the potential to have been one of Dienhart's longest single employment endeavors (Part-Time on Peachtree City Council), oh well; maybe the city can hire him as a consultant.

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Good Riddance With Dienhart Gone

It may be Dienhart's loss, intheknow, but it is definitely PTC's gain. Next to go? Erica

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Yep, happier without George and Erica is almost as spooky

He's easy to replace. Let's encourage Scott Bradshaw or Russ Heil or Terry Garlock or Randy Gaddo or someone dignified and respected. If we are going to pull the city's image out of the muddy ditch that was Haddix's 4 years - let's go all the way and have first-class leadership across the board, a must for economic development.

The beauty of replacing Erica is that whoever does that has almost a year to see if they can work effectively in whatever leadership environment the new mayor creates.

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Dienhart's Experience (Inconsistencies? You decide)

No H&F, it's not impressive. It's actually a concerning pattern, and certainly leaves a big question mark about that period of unemployment between 2007 and current (excluding being a councilman).

I also find this interesting: his "bio" that he placed on the city's web page during his tenure as a councilman read, "George is a former newspaper columnist for Today in Peachtree City, as well as an IT manager for a major consulting company."

Crafty use of writing there, George. I think the common inference from this sentence would be that George is currently (at the time of writing) an IT manager for a major consulting company. According to what he puts on his LinkedIn page, that is not true. I'm sure he will defend that position by arguing misinterpretation of his wording (typical political-speak, in my humble opinion). Perhaps it's an honest lack of clarity in the writing... you decide.

If anyone is curious, he listed his occupation/profession on his qualification paperwork for that election as Software Quality Analyst. Those are all public record and open for inspection. His application for the current term lists Information Technology Consultant as his profession.

It sure sounds like somebody with this profession and experience should have had some valuable input on the decisions that led to the city spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on those outsourced IT services contracts....

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Not so impressive is it?

Now we see why he doesn't want anyone to know his "history". He can't keep a job. Calling himself a consultant, covers up the job movement, because if he was any good, don't you think someone would have grabbed him up after the "project" was over?

So, either he's a house husband (nothing wrong with that) or unemployed since 2007? Probably not a trust fund baby.

Nuk, lets put that IQ of yours to work. Is this someone you would hire to manage your firm? I think he's the knucklehead office mailboy who tells anyone who will listen, how, if he were on charge, things will be different.

We need to leave the man alone and let him get his life in order. Finalize his divorce, get rid of his pesky lawsuit, and perhaps find a job, so he can support his kids.

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H & F & Qualifications

Yet we elected someone with similar or fewer qualifications as President!

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Common trait?

Both from Chicago

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H&F, all of you self-righteous people make me want to up-chuck.

I am beginning to think that anyone with an impressive background would run away as far as possible from all of you. I imagine your credentials are impeccable, so maybe you are our Great White Hope (okay DM, nothing racial meant with that remark). There are several on here who delight in tearing down everyone. I can just see you all in a corner salivating and ringing your hands in glee at every tidbit you uncover and it doesn't matter which candidate it is except for your fair-haired choices. Have you vetted them thouroughly? Could they stand the scrutiny? Could you'all ? Yes, I know your reasoning is that if they are running for office then they are open to what you want to throw out there. What really riles me is the way you all seem to enjoy it so, especially the specious name calling. I bet the lot of you tore the wings off of flies when you were young--or maybe still. The only thing you have said worthwhile in all your blogs is 'to leave the man alone.' I am not voting for him but I do not think a character assasination is on order for anyone running for office--unless you are willing to put up (and put yourself out there) then maybe it is time to shut up----at least until the election is over.

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Mytmite

You are right. They like someone well enough to elect them, then tear them up later. These candidates, are people who ran, and are running because they feel and felt they could help. What a reward for the efforts.

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Suggarfoot

You can worry about Tyrone. We all know the better person doesn't always win your vote, since your only criteria is shade of skin.

If we elected everyone without vetting, because they felt they could help, we'd be in trouble. I'm only trying to fill in the blanks where the candidates choose not to be upfront with their qualifications.

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Mytmite

We're not electing an IT tech.

We're electing the person that represents us in front of outsiders and is a reflection of us. If you want someone with his credentials then fine, vote for him. I would like someone with a better resume.

I don't care about a college diploma. His military service trumps that in many regards.

I just asked basic questions and brought important issues to the table. If you don't like it fine. When I hire at my firm, my inquiries are much deeper. The people I hire, are a reflection of me.

You can call it self righteous. I don't care. George, like you and I, have to live with our choices. You can vote for whoever you want.

I didn't ask to see his credit report, his bank statement, his religious beliefs or question what he tithes each week. I asked relevant questions that were all related to the position he was seeking.

And though I have not yet sought an elected position, some of you know me from church, scouts, and many of the ball fields I am on each night.

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H&F, go ahead and convince yourself that you are just doing us

all a favor by "vetting" the candidates. Go back and read the blog I was referring to and tell me that all those remarks you made about "George" were helpful to anyone. I see by your last sentence that you state that your "have not yet sought an elected position". I truly hope this means you intend to in the future. I can hardly wait to see how they tear you apart. Nothing they can find on you??? Don't bet the farm on it-after all look how much you were about to make out of nothing with "George".

BTW, thanks for wanting to keep us, the great 'unwashed masses" informed on the candidates but I do believe most of us are able to make our own decisions based on "facts" not garbage.

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Your welcome

I will run, when my kids are older and my career allows me.

Never said I was perfect, or claim to be. Have made many mistakes.

You vote however you or the unwashed want to vote.

I wanted to believe in George. He seemed like a nice guy. But, things didn't add up and there were too many unknowns. So, I asked some questions. Got phone calls from many friends who felt the same and offered more.

He wouldn't answer on the blogs or his website. And now we know why.

It's my opinion, he's just not right for the job. All my friends agree too. I'll be voting for someone other than Haddix and Dienhart. You do whatever floats your boat.

Good day sir.

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H&F - Teach

your children well.