Mayor touts savings, Dienhart wants ‘reform,’ Logsdon cites ‘return to civility,’ Jolly opposes SPLOST

Candidates for the Tyrone and Peachtree City councils face the public Saturday at the Fayette County Library in Fayetteville. From left, front row, are Tyrone candidate Pota Coston and Peachtree City candidates Stephanie Franz, Cathy Haddix (with microphone), Mike King and Kim Learnard. Back row, from left, are George Dienhart, incumbent Don Haddix, Ryan Jolly and Harold Logsdon. Photo/John Munford.

Councilwoman Learnard: "SPLOST a good business decision"; Mrs. Haddix opposes, says PTC must make budget provisions for its own expenses

Four of Peachtree City’s five mayoral aspirants put their ideas up for public consumption in a candidate forum Saturday hosted by several groups at the Fayette County Public Library in Fayetteville.

Political newcomer Ryan Jolly took the stage with former City Councilman George Dienhart, former Mayor Harold Logsdon and incumbent Mayor Don Haddix. A fifth candidate, Vanessa Fleisch, was absent due to a prior commitment.

Dienhart positioned himself as the reform candidate, advocating the hiring of a public safety chief to oversee the fire and police departments and also for the implementation of zero based budgeting to further cut costs. Dienhart was first elected to the council in late 2011, having moved to Peachtree City four years earlier. He resigned his council post in August to run for mayor.

Jolly meanwhile said one of his largest goals is to “bring functionality back to a most dysfunctional government,” noting the biting disagreements and verbal tiffs that have happened at council meetings on more than a few occasions.

Likewise, Logsdon spoke of the need to “return civility to the mayor’s office,” renew an emphasis on ethics and rebuild relationships with the city’s neighbors.

Haddix bragged that he was able to save the city over $1 million a year in increased efficiencies and said the city needs to re-activate its former development authority to seek out small and medium size businesses that can’t be targeted by the county development authority.

One of the more important questions asked was whether the candidates supported the proposed core infrastructure Special Purpose Local Option Sales Tax that will be decided by voters in November. Haddix and Jolly opposed it, while Dienhart and Logsdon favored it.

Most of the city’s projected $14 million share from the two-year SPLOST would go towards road and cart path maintenance to plug an annual $1.5 million gap left by the exhaustion of funds from the 2004 countywide transportation SPLOST.

Jolly said the sales tax is a short-term fix for a long-term problem, saying the city should have budgeted for road and cart path repair instead of hoping for voter approval.

“We know we’re going to use it. We know it’s going to wear out,” Jolly said.

Haddix opposed the new SPLOST, saying it would cost $200 a year to the average homeowner when the city has already raised taxes and needs to “get its house in order first,” instead of issuing a new tax.

Dienhart said the new SPLOST was “a no brainer” because it would cost more to raise the millage rate or take other actions to raise the money. He added that he wanted to use the new SPLOST “as a bridge to sensible budgeting” so such a measure wouldn’t be needed in the future.

Dienhart did not explain what areas of the budget he would cut to get to the annual $1.5 million in savings necessary to accommodate road and cart path repair, but said the budget deserved a look at each line item.

Logsdon said he supports the new SPLOST in part because it is a consumption tax and also because the previous five-year SPLOST allowed for a number of transportation items to be taken care of.

“People don’t come to Peachtree City to live in a second-class environment and we’re going to have to pay for it,” Logsdon said.

The candidates were also asked how they would “solve” traffic on Ga. Highway 54 West.

Logsdon made a case for extending MacDuff Parkway, adding that it wouldn’t completely solve the problem. He noted that while a study of the area seems a bit much, it’s probably necessary.

Dienhart disagreed, saying any study should be funded by the Georgia Department of Transportation instead of the city so state taxpayers and not city ones, are footing the bill.

Jolly said a friend of his who is a road engineer suggested a bridge over the intersection that would allow the existing traffic light at Ga. highways 54 and 74 to be removed.

Haddix said the true solution lies in road improvements outside of Peachtree City, which he contends is “completely bottlenecked” on Hwy. 54 West.

Explaining his concept for the public safety chief’s position, Dienhart said he wants an out-of-town staffer brought in to help resolve issues at the police and fire department.

“The problem is we’ve been slapped with some lawsuits over the past few years, and the way to fix that is through a public safety chief,” Dienhart said, arguing that the departments need a culture change.

Candidates were also asked individual questions that others couldn’t address. During that portion of the forum:

• Logsdon was asked about his management style. He replied that he believes in giving guidance and direction but avoiding micro-managing.

• Dienhart was asked about how to use his role as a regional leader to have a positive impact. He replied that he already has an “excellent working relationship” with other regional officials and suggested he was the only mayoral candidate at the forum who has done that consistently.

• Jolly said part of having a balanced budget means funding “regular maintenance items like roads and cart paths.” He also added that he wants to get more young people involved in the city.

• Haddix said there were areas in which the city could trim costs. He also touted his role with other governments in the region, saying he was friends with the mayors of Riverdale and Union City, for example. Haddix also said he promoted the city at events hosted by the Georgia Municipal Association.

• Logsdon said he supported efforts on economic development because commercial development brings in far more revenue than industrial revenue while new residential development has a negative revenue attached to it.

• Jolly said he did not support a new traffic light on Ga. Highway 54 West to serve a gas station and restaurant which are part of a larger undeveloped shopping center.

Several questions were also asked about county government, despite the fact that the mayor won’t have any jurisdiction over county affairs to speak of, as those powers are expressly delegated to the five-member Fayette County Board of Commissioners.

The candidates were also asked about district voting for the county, another moot issue because not only is it out of their jurisdiction but the issue has mostly been settled with a ruling from a federal judge that requires the county to adopt district voting in lieu of the county’s current at-large voting procedure.

The event was co-hosted by several Fayette County groups including the local branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the local Fayette County Issues Tea Party and the Fayette County Democrat Party.

Forum marked by absenteeism of some council candidates

Several city council hopefuls in Peachtree City joined a counterpart from Tyrone in facing live questions Saturday at a candidate forum sponsored by several groups at the Fayette County Public Library in Fayetteville.

There was a certain lack of fireworks due to absentee candidates, as the only race drawing all competitors was the Post 3 seat in Peachtree City. In that race, incumbent Kim Learnard faces challenger Cathy Haddix, the wife of incumbent Mayor Don Haddix.

While Mrs. Haddix said she opposed the countywide core infrastructure Special Purpose Local Option Sales Tax, Learnard said the option will be up to voters, as she never committed to a position on the sales tax. Learnard did say “a good business case” could be made in favor of the SPLOST.

If Fayette voters shoot down the tax in November, the city will need to find another revenue source for an estimated $1.5 million a year in road and cart path maintenance.

Learnard said the SPLOST would cost the least for taxpayers based on an analysis done by Peachtree City Councilman Eric Imker.

Mrs. Haddix said the city needs to first address its own budgeting issues before taking on more spending through a new sales tax.

Mrs. Haddix argued that the city needs to reinstate its development authority to help get more businesses to come to Peachtree City. She also advocated more citizen involvement “because we have a lot of things that need to be shaken up, so to speak.”

Mrs. Haddix also said Peachtree City has been ranked as the least affordable city among other cities its size in Georgia.

Learnard said she has helped expand economic development in the city and voted for a balanced budget while restoring recreation programs including those for seniors.

At the same time, the city has cut the budget significantly over the past four years to create a sustainable budget, Learnard said, admitting that it lacked road and cart path funding.

“Every department in Peachtree City has been cut to the bone,” Learnard said. “We’ve cut so much that the potted plants in the lobby of City Hall haven’t come back.”

There are seven options that have been devised to solve the road and cart path funding issue, Learnard added.

Learnard said she has showed leadership by remaining positive and working diligently for the city, adding that she is invigorated by meeting with residents on various issues several times a week.

“I like to think of it as I have 35,000 bosses,” Learnard said.

In questions posed to individual council members, Mrs. Haddix said she didn’t think the raises approved for city council members were unreasonable, but later she clarified that she would not pursue a raise while in office.

Responding to another individual question, Learnard said one of the city’s biggest issues is a need to look at its borders to determine how to control growth.

Peachtree City Post 2 candidate Mike King was the only one of three candidates for that seat to appear at the forum, as Shayne Robinson and Austin Chanslor did not participate.

King said he won’t “massage the truth to make things look better” but wants to apply fiscally conservative principles and specifically to resist increasing city debt.

King said he also supports hiring a public safety director to oversee Peachtree City’s police and fire departments, specifically to replace both the police chief and fire chief’s positions.

As for the core infrastructure SPLOST, King argued that roads and cart paths need to be funded from the general fund budget and a SPLOST should be for special projects instead.

“A SPLOST is a crutch,” King said, noting that with a budget north of $29 million the city should be able to fund road and cart path maintenance. “We need to live up to our responsibilities, not abdicate them.”

King also said one of the city’s biggest challenges is bringing amenities to the city so young families come back to Peachtree City, citing how his three children have not come back to live here as adults.

Asked about the largest budget he has handled, King noted that in his work with the Centers for Disease Control, he worked on a pandemic influenza immunization plan that cost more than $300 million.

King also made a pitch for switching city elections to even numbered years which would save $80,000 and increase turnout because it would coincide with presidential elections every four years as well.

The race for Peachtree City Post 4 also resulted in just one candidate appearing, as Stephanie Franz was on hand and challenger Terry Ernst was absent.

Franz, a political newcomer, admitted to being a bit nervous and “green” but said she loves Peachtree City and wants her 4-year-old child to grow up here.

Franz said she wants to get more young people involved in city affairs, saying she felt the recent National Night Out event could have been better attended by families.

Asked specifically if she would approve spending city funds on a college and career academy in Fayette County, Franz said she would, in part because the county needs to attract younger people.

“Bringing a college to town would be a wonderful thing and I would vote yes,” Franz said.

Franz said the city needs to broaden the tax base by bringing in more businesses and finding a way to redevelop neighborhoods that need to be revitalized.

“You can’t have families if you don’t have businesses here to employ them,” Franz said.

Franz said she supports the core infrastructure SPLOST.

Tyrone Post 3 candidate Pota Coston was on hand, while incumbent Ken Matthews did not appear at the forum.

Coston said she wants to revitalize the downtown area, citing a current lack of reasons for residents or visitors to walk or drive their golf cart there.

Coston said the vacant Tyrone Elementary School building could be an opportunity to help the town in that regard. She also wants to see a Livable Centers Initiative plan to help create “a vibrant downtown.”

Coston also noted that the town doesn’t have a budget shortfall, but good business sense is needed in weighing taxation decisions.

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Pumpkin vs Allstar American

Personally, I'd vote for Allstar American over Pumpkin for council.
We need a free thinker on council.

Wondering if Pumpkin helped in running off Joey Grisham at Fresh Market and screamed at Vanessa when our mayor was pushing to DOUBLE his salary 4 years ago as the city was going into a $24 million financial free fall. Talk about heightened self interest!

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Mr. Haddix - You

You posted earlier that you are "honorable", can you define honor for us?

For example, do you think it would be honorable to take full personal responsibility for one's actions?

Do you think that it's honorable to use someone else's money using force of law for your own mistakes and to protect your own interests?

As Dr. Samuel Johnson defines honor it is, "nobility of soul, magnanimity, and a scorn for meanness." Do you think your actions have reflected virtuous conduct and personal integrity?"

It appears that based on your answer "yes", honor is a selective concept. I can assure you it is not.

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Haddix worried about other people's legal woes?

That's pretty hilarious. Let me know when anything Richter or Deinhart said or did cost the taxpayers 12K.

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Haddix: OK, NUK

The illegal taking of my salary by Dienhart cost the citizens over $22,000.00.

The City Attorney, and the Councilmembers' attorney, both have the case law saying it was illegal. That was a key factor in them doing a settlement retracting the statements and restoring my salary.

For Richter, it goes to credibility and agenda.

You know about the salary issue but wish to ignore it.

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Haddix.....Logic?

Hahaha... That comment is almost as dumb as you claiming you had the right to take the $12,000 because you were indemnified!

I hope you are kidding and making a joke!

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That 12k is going to cost you

More than you even realize.

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Dienhart didn't take your salary

The council voted unanamiously to take your salary. You were at the meeting when the vote was cast. Did you conveniently forget that little piece of history or are you trying to rewrite history?

You have become so detached from reality that you simply can't tell the truth about anythng!

You don't need to worry about my legal issues. Unlike you, I don't expect anyone to pay my legal bills.

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No, you cost us 34k

Had you not stolen 12k from us, council would not have tried to recoup it. It wasn't illegal, it never made it to court. The responsible adults knew you would charge your losing case to the city again. You cost us that money because you couldn't admit you were wrong. See a pattern there?

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Another Lie Mayor

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"The citizen's back getting DAPC back and creating a Comprehensive Strategic Plan."

Please tell me where on God's green earth you found that little gem... and please don't say "a bunch of citizens have emailed me and called me about it."

Did you do a survey? Can you point us to the scientific poll that was conducted by an independent third party that confirms that the citizens back getting DAPC reformed?

Even you don't believe this. Sorry Don, will call you on your BS up until the election.

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Haddix: Where?

One Peachtree City and the Needs Assessment Survey. A college professor examined and declared the Survey statistically significant.

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Alright Mayor, I will call your bluff

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So just to make sure we are on the same page, what you are telling me that according to this Needs Assessment Survey, a majority of Peachtree Citizens stated that they support the reorganization of the DAPC and that they support your "Comprehensive Strategic Plan."

Great. You tell me where I can find the results of this Survey and if it proves that your statements are true, I will be the first to admit that I was wrong in accusing you of fabricating the results.

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I can help you here...

http://peachtree-city.org/index.aspx?NID=1021

Review the final committee presentation PDF. The questions are all laid out there.

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Thank you MR...

and yes, I have read it before and looked at it again tonight before I posted. Nothing in there shows that the majority of citizens support the Mayor's Strategic Plan or the resurrection of the DAPC.

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True enough Madmike, but OnePTC did comment on DAPC

Not directly as Dumbo is stating, but OnePTC did arrive at the conclusion that Peachtree City should be taking a more aggressive role in industrial recruitment since we had the largest industrial park in the county, well, duh. Nowhere did we say DAPC should be brought back to life, but we did say they did a good job and commended Todd Strickland especially.

And we did say that being in control of our own business recruitment would be a good thing. Specifically, getting Nancy Price and her group involved. They have the funding and they are certainly capable of promotion. That's what we said. What we didn't say was"Gee, let's get the mini mayor involved and bring back DAPC" What a friggin' idiot he is. He is lying about us and I resent it. I'm really almost sure I won't be voting for him.

What say you?

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robert i'm falling in the floor laughing

really, you say, "I'm really almost sure I won't be voting for him."
if I didn't disrespect you so much Robert w. morgan i'd get you a coupon for mimi's.

well mike:

looks like you lost another one "really almost sure". omg everyone in the background is just hollering, got to get these guys and girls off the floor and give them some water, you made our day Robert!

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Looped

You must be in the sauce again. Btw aren't you supposed to be laying on the ground at the fire station waiting on a buyer? Oh that's right Donnie already has you for his third vote! Damn country Bumpkin

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Morgan, now you are on to something...

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To say that Peachtree City should take a more active role in its own economic development is a completely different argument than saying we should reestablish the DAPC. An effective economic developer, like we had or may have had with Joey Grishem (if the Haddix's hadn't run him off), is certainly plausible.
But the DAPC, who had the power to make financial commitments for the city, didn't seem to accomplish a whole lot but entertain out of towners with expensive dinners and season tickets to the Fred, is a different story. If you remember the Tennis Center fiasco, a debacle of the DAPC, ended up costing taxpayers almost $1M. That type of "assistance" we can do without.

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Haddix: EDC

An Economic Development Coordinator is not an Economic Developer. An EDC has zero authority power and can only point people to empty spaces.

Joey Grisham spent $10,000.00 without authorization from the City Manager, wanted to put Big Boxes in every shopping center and wanted to create a major shopping center. He wanted to do away with the Village Concept.

If you support that, it is your right. But PTC did not and does not. A lot of angry citizens complained about what he was saying to them.

Joey Grisham was a city employee. City employees cannot do economic development. That is why Authorities were created by the State.

DAPC and the FCDA were created under the same State Law. Had to same powers.

Trying to refer back to the old Authority is dishonest and insulting to the volunteers that were dissolved. The old was composed of people who should have not been on the authority by an old Council. The old Council was responsible for the problems, ultimately.

Logsdon cost the city the settlement money by taking on a financial responsibility not required by law. He bailed them out and had to jump through legal hoops to be able to do so.

Obviously you either did not live here, then, or you do not care about the truth.

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DAPC

An insult to the volunteers.
So be it then, a group of part time volunteers will never be more effective than a professional development executive whose sole job is work every day on projects. A person who is trained, has the experience, has the time to attend conferences, network and meet with companies during the day, not part time, evenings or when a volunteer can find time.

As for issuing bonds? Volunteers? Look at WASA who issued bonds at higher interest rates and it was determined that it was better to issue under PTC for less interest!

Don, the citizens are not stupid and there are other ways to do things. You are not the end all and be all to economic development wisdom. Council has good ideas too.

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Haddix: Stay on Task

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Something tells me you don't have any debate ribbons hanging in your bedroom from what ever last school you attended (another area by the way that you won't address; what school, what years, and what educational level did you attain?) as you have a hard time staying on the task at hand.

Nobody asked you what the difference was between an EDC or an ED. But since you brought it up, the fact that an EDC has zero authority is EXACTLY why that is preferred over the DAPC. The authority that the DAPC had to issue bonds without the oversight of elected officials (namely council)is what led us to the debacle of the Tennis Center that cost tax payers $1M dollars.

Regardless of the virtue of the members, it is a dangerous proposition to have any agency with that much financial power AS HAS BEEN PROVEN. My point was that having a city employee that works towards identifying new business for PTC and works in unison with other groups and agencies to bring those discoveries to fruition is an idea with merit.

Do you argue with your pillow at night?

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Seriously

Take a nap

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Haddix:EDC

IF and I say IF because you deal in many untruths...then Pennington should have fired Grisham and you should have stayed OUT OF IT.

Who decided that you and Cathy were granted the authority to run Grisham out of town.. Were you anointed by the Holy Father? Given divine providence? What if he decided to sue the city as others have due to your big fat mouth! You have been repeatedly advised the city attorney and Laurel for the Municipal Association to shut up on issues and you do not listen. You have cost this city a lot in lawsuits including NorSouth.

You continue to interfere in anything that's not your idea with some attitude that only you and your ideas are best for PTC. So, you sabatoge anything that you do not agree with and continue to cost the taxpayers money due to your interference. That is why city council city staff, county commission and everyone within 200 miles of PTC ignores you and you are clueless.

As for economic development luckily, you are are out of reach and unable to undermine Emily Poole thanks to Virginia's involvement in suggesting the FCDA arrangement. You try to run her off like Grisham for your DAPC but luckily you can't no matter how rude and boorish you are to her.

Haddix, you are not the King of PTC, and for the past 4 years you have bullied and attacked people to get you own way with your own agenda. You are not a team player and you clearly can't lead based upon earned respect.
You fight with everyone including the citizens on this blog.

A vote for you is a continuation of the status quo. You will never change as represented by your continued blogging here. Let's hope the citizens realize a change is needed. Every day you blog here is continued proof of that.

You have created a dysfunctional environment causing way more harm than good.

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shame on grisham if his skin that thin

he would be facing so much more. he would be blabbering and crying had he not resigned he simply stated realized he could not handle it. he certainly did not, no matter what was written in his resume, have the interest and direction this city wanted. and actually have any of you knuckleheads ever supported any mayor in the past years. you are so miserable and non productive and refuse to run yourselves it certainly gives you the direction to rip everyones efforts apart. sadly you will continue and mimi will still fill your guts and heads with BS that pumps up your egos.

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Haddix: Larry

You don't know what you are talking about on what I can or cannot say.

As for firing him, he was gone back to Texas by the time we knew he quite and before we found the expenditure. He put his keys, etc on his desk, with note and left.

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Husband & Father2 : Grisham's Note : Haddix

It appears that many people who are reading the blogs including city council members and city hall staffers are fact checking Mr. Haddix's statements.

Here is what was read at the city council meeting and documented in the minutes of August 4, 2011.

Note to Eric Imker from Joey Grisham:

"Hey Eric:
I left because of Don Haddix...You, Vanessa and Kim were the reason that I stayed the first time I thought about leaving. You three were great. Cannot say that for the others who are more focused on ego development rather than economic development."

Joey Grisham did resign, just never told Haddix. Also, regarding the $10,000, council members are stating that this expenditure was approved by council. APPROVED.

The August 4, 2011 city council meeting also shows that Mayor Haddix ridiculed the Fayette County Development Authority claiming they "did not proactively pursue good employers".

Imker issued apology.

PUBLIC RECORD

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Note?

What did it say?

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Haddix: Note

I won't go into what has not been revealed as public record already.

As Larry Sussberg has shown, both Learnard and Fleisch supported his goals. Learnard, in example, has questioned the Village Concept and all 3 Councilmembers supported the changes Grisham was espousing. They flip flopped on a Big Box at Line Creek with a traffic light.

As for Sussberg trying to claim Council approved the $10,000.00 expenditure, never happened. Produce the minutes Larry.

The report it paid for was an endorsement of his Big Box Plan from a company in Texas. It contained no economic impact on existing stores, etc. It was worthless.

Here is an article from "Beyond Right Field" you may find interesting.

Update on Joey Grisham
By Doug Miller

August 24, 2009

The Citizen had this and I haven’t checked their site in a few days. Thanks to commenter “Kellerite” for the heads up.

Keller’s economic development director, Joey Grisham, submitted a letter of resignation dated Friday.

His resignation took effect immediately, according to the letter, addressed to Assistant City Manager Chris Fuller, received by the city’s personnel director Thursday.

Fuller said he was not aware of Grisham’s resignation until Thursday. City Manager Dan O’Leary said in an interview Monday that he also did not know about the resignation.

In the letter, Grisham did not explain his reasons for stepping down; he thanked the city for the opportunity “to serve in this capacity for almost one year” and offered his assistance in the future.

In a closed session Tuesday, the City Council was to review Grisham’s “position and whether or not his expectation and ours are the same,” O’Leary said this week.

“We hope for the best for Joey” and “will miss him,” O’Leary wrote in an e-mail Thursday.

Fuller echoed O’Leary’s statement. Both declined to discuss the matter further, saying it is a personnel issue.

It was not immediately clear whether the director position would be filled.

Grisham started the job in early September 2008 at an $84,000 annual salary.

That is all I have to say on Joey Grisham. Everything I said is already public record. But it proves my point Grisham did not support the Peachtree City Comprehensive Plan or what the citizens wanted. Big Boxes and shopping centers are not good job producers.

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Haddix:DAPC:Grisham

At next council meeting, please put the $10,000 approval on the agenda.
Hopefully, if you don't have the courage to, someone from council will.

Grisham's note, read at council meeting speaks for itself. You were not anointed but elected and you were elected with a city council, next mayor will have clarity and show the leadership we need.

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Who interviewed and hired

him?

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Haddix: Clarity

In this Staff level process H/R, the City Attorney and variable others on on Staff do the interviewing. Considering the current City Manager had not been hired yet, he did not take part.

The final hiring is done by Council at the recommendation of Staff who did the interviewing.

When I saw where Grisham was heading, I did research and posted here what I had found. I also had shared it with Staff and asked if I could find it, why couldn't they?

I also talked to Jim, etc, about being more thorough in future hiring processes, and Jim agreed.

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Haddix: "I POSTED HERE"

OMG...you can't make this stuff up.

"I POSTED HERE"....I'm the mayor of a prominent GA City and I posted about a city employee on the newspaper blogs.

We deserve sooo much better!

Think about it, he's "clarifying" to the 3 stooges. Whose on first?

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Imker, Sussberg & LaTella

yes, 3 stooges is a pretty apt description.

We do deserve sooo much better!

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MARY or MLC...

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for clarification, you seem to be a supporter of mayor... do you vote? Trying to keep a tally going, that would put the Mayor at 3 votes. Please advise.

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3 Stooges

lol
The truth can be tough sometimes, ask Pumpkin.
We can do sooo much better.

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lol

The truth according to the 3 stooges. Proof we can do sooo much better. lol

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We can do better, but with whom?

I know we can't go thru another 4 yrs with the present leader.

But the remainder of Mayor choices in my opinion are less than desired and I think we need to pick the lesser of evils.

Mr. Jolly needs more seasoning. Hope he gets involved in future committees, ect

Ms Fleisch, seems like a nice person, but she had nothing intelligent to say when she and I spoke on the soccer field.

That leaves me to contemplate, Dienhart vs Logsdon.

Let me just say that Allstar American reminds me of Pumpkin. Though All Star writes better she shares the same type of child like infatuation writing about nothing. George, I'm afraid has some faults.

I see someone who took ideas found on this site and ran with it without thinking it thru. I see someone with skeletons that just haven't been touched on, yet . I see a wanna-be trying to cozy up politically and stick his nose in unwisely.

Logsdon, has faults too. But he is smart enough to stay off the blogs. He's retired, cleans up well, and is not going to embarrass the city, nor put up with county bs.

Unless someone changes my thinking, Logsdon my choice for the next 4 years, while we groom the next mayor.

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H&F Logsdon

Obviously you weren't here for the 4 year tenure of our former Mayor known here as Otis Campbell. Yeah the guy cleans up well but the he's an A$$ and a developers tool. No retreads!

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Longtimer, I've been here a while

Longtimer, to answer your question, yes, I was here for Logsdons run as mayor.

What I am saying is right now, we need a mayoral place keeper. Someone to bring normalcy back to council, help make sound business decisions and look out for what's best for the city. In my humble opinion, we have weak choices all around.

We don't need wholesale changes, like one is proposing for police and fire. We don't need someone catering to any specific group such as the Tea Party, developers, or any other group.

I like George, but there are a lot of questions he hasn't answered and went quiet on the blogs this week when people started to ask questions. Then, his entourage starts replying that anyone with questions should call him direct. That tells me there is something they prefer not to be made public. Does he own a home in PTC? How about sharing a tax bill. The mayoral position does require time. Will his responsibilities as mayor interfere with his job, or will he too be asking for a higher salary like the present mayor? Can he make a decision that is best for PTC or will he bow to his new Tea Party friends he appears to be cowtowing too? Do we know what brought him to PTC or his past records? No, we don't. We do know he likes to yuk it up with us bloggers. He likes to fight with the mayor. He likes to stick his nose in private lawsuits to gain entre into Rupublican circles. We do know we haven't seen him in civic groups or sporting events unless there is something to gain.

I'm not voting for Haddix. We don't need another 4 years of drama. Fleisch brings similar drama. Jolly is just too young and needs seasoning.

PTC needs to continue on the path of sound budget decisions, bringing in young families, expanding the rec program, and getting us back to being the top planned community, while we wait and see what Pinewood delivers.

Logsdon, to me, appears to be the best of the worst to act as a mayoral peacekeeper, until some really good comes along.

Just my opinion and I reserve the right to change based on new information disclosed.

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H&f

Dienhart published hi phone number. Did you call him? Remember, logsdon is out there stirring the skeletons talk up. It's political. If you had seen him arguing about the straw poll results after his epic fail, what logs den is doing would be clear. agree with you on Jolley and Fleisch. But what has logs den said as far as his plan? He hasn't. Dienhart answered your questions. He has put his plan out there. Had you heRd him speak at the forums, you would have noticed that he is the only one that said anything. Harold said he wanted his job back, argued with Haddix and lied about Dienhart. Ryan only talks about the splost. Seems like a nice guy, but Imker, King and Learnard would eat him alive, and that means 12 years without leadership. Vanessa talked of how much she loves PTC. But never once told us of what she would do as mayor.

Dienhart has as much info out there about himself as any of the candidates. I am no sure why you are singling him out on this.

You were a big supporter of Sheila Hudeston last election. She is part of the GOP leadership that overwhelmingly supports George (over Logsden, I might add). They know him on a personal level. They trust him and support him.

I support George- I have been involved in the GOP here for a while. We know him and support him, but most of all we trust him.

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lol

It's all public record. Just remember to vote

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So no council or mayor

did interviews prior to hiring? Who are variable others on staff?

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Haddix: Variables

Correct, we had no role in the interviews. On variable, city clerk, FCDA, and a couple of others I cannot remember.

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Make it stop

Please.

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17 More Days......

then the madness ends. Finally.

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So he "quite"?

More evidence, train is off the rails.

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Haddix: Wrong

I do know what you can and can't say? Please remember that I was deposed in the NorSouth case and it was very apparent from the city's legal representative who created the situation. Don, it was you and you know that. The suit was a Federal suit on housing discrimination which was the tactic used by NorSouth because of the comment you made at the joint planning meeting. Our attorney made that clear to me, as did Brandon.

Really...Joey was going back to Texas??? That's new...sort of hard to believe that story since he was told "I hope your tenure in Peachtree City is short". If he was leaving, why say that.

Really Don?!?!

And, no matter what you should have kept your mouth shut! Who gave you the authority to insult the man? Who?

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Haddix: Correct and Wrong, Both, Morgan

It did say we needed our own economic development effort back. It did not say via the CVB. Back means DAPC.

Fact is the CVB cannot do economic development, by law. That requires a Development Authority, hence DAPC.

The CVB promotes events, conventions, tourism and the like. Not economic development.

I attended every open house and talked to the participants.

A copy of DA State Law is here:
http://donhaddix.com/showthread.php?t=170

No mention of CVB's or Tourism function or authority.

CVB/Tourism Law can be found on the DCA website.

They are two completely different legal entities with difference functions and abilities,.

So, as said, you are part right and part wrong.

No lies, just the facts.

Also, I am the ONLY Mayoral candidate pushing for PTC economic development in addition the the FCDA. Like it not, the is reality.

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So, now you are calling me a liar? Is that right?

I was actually there at 4 different workshop sessions and you were not. This was discussed for almost an hour by our group and for some period of time by another. The only mention of DAPC was to acknowledge that it used to be the way ED was handled, but that was it. Back does not mean DAPC. Back means, back. And while the written report did say "back" the real discussion was centered on "being more under our own control" rather than relying upon the county.

The open houses were meet and greet sessions to solicit volunteers for the workshops. You were not invited to attend them but you (and oddly, Steve Brown) showed up anyway. I also read the summary and there was no mention of an EDC or DAPC. CVB was mentioned in the discussion as a possible participant, but there are many paths to more economic development control other than DAPC. Hopefully the new mayor and council will be a bit more open-minded about this issue and will be able to discuss various solutions without having to compete with a monkey in the corner banging a drum for DAPC.

No one with half a brain believes DAPC is coming back and no one at all wants you involved or even seen by a potential candidate to bring a new business to Peachtree City. Joey Grisham was hired by someone - who? you? Pennington? Imker? and if you all didn't catch on that he was all about retail and didn't like the village concept in the interviewing process, you were really not paying attention or perhaps you are just plain stupid.

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Haddix: I am Saying

All the people I talked to wanted DAPC back and in the final report it stated we needed an economic development of our own with the power to do something.

That, by definition, is DAPC, not the CVB, as I explained.

The CVB being mentioned is not the same as recommended. Once pointed out they had no power to do development, it was dropped by the few who brought it up.

Many more paths? Again tossing out a non starter claim. ONLY an authority has the power to do economic development and the FCDA does not do redevelopment or Tier 2 or 3 industry and business.

As for the liar accusation, you have thrown it at me way too often and been proven wrong. So, take care here, because, in fact, I was asked and scheduled to take part in every Open House.

Also, there was a power point presentation in addition to the written summary of input, which repeated talked about economic development comments and a plan. Most assuredly the power point had the Plan and Economic Development as top priorities.

An EDC and Grisham was pushed by Learnard, Fleisch and Imker. No thrill from Sturbaum or me, because we knew he had no power. I made a presentation on the limitations, in fact.

The interview process was conducted by members of Staff, such as H/R and the City Attorney, no elected. And no, they didn't catch the problems with his positions because he didn't reveal them. Via research, after he was picked, I found the info you see in my other post about him leaving Keller, TX.

You do not know as much as you claim or think.

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Haddix:Grisham:DAPC

In reality, what you are saying here, is you decided to interfere with a city employee.

And, that was part of your censure.

Who gave you the right?

You have done nothing but create chaos and dysfunction in PTC since you were elected 6 years ago. It's all about YOU and what YOU want, not what might be best for the city or, with council and the concept that majority RULES, not YOU.

Keep arguing here on the blogs, because the more you do the more people request ground signs and make donations to www.PTCPride.org

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Haddix: The Right

Sussberg, try reading the City Charter. As the CEO and Supervisor of the City it is my job to do oversight and ensure the goals, ordinances, comprehensive plan, etc are enforced.

I am the supervisor, per contract, the City Manager reports to. Not the Council Members.

The City Manager and I had spoken on these issues before I addressed Grisham or my concerns in public. Exactly in keeping with the City Charter.

The duties of my office are not subject to 3 Councilmembers. It is not majority rules in those areas.

Who authorized me? The voters, in 2009.

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City Manager & Ethics Codes
Don Haddix wrote:

I am the supervisor, per contract, the City Manager reports to. Not the Council Members.

The City Manager and I had spoken on these issues before I addressed Grisham or my concerns in public. Exactly in keeping with the City Charter.

Who authorized me? The voters, in 2009.

So, I re-read the city charter and the city manager's contract...
It says

"....and to perform duties and functions as the council shall from time to time assign." Section 1 Page 1 under Duties & Responsibilities.

As for the Ethics Code and revamping the Code, let's started it before the election with the $10,000 sign off limit for the city manager. Let's change it so that The new Ethics Codes requires all reimbursements to any PTC elected official over $250 must be approved by City Council.

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Haddix & Leadership

The difference between a great CEO and a terrible one is that a great CEO exhibits leadership talent resulting in abilities to lead through motivation, working with people, and most of all by example!

When you earn respect by giving respect. Leadership does not come from a written job description.
Your defination and how you see yourself speaks to the very heart of the problem.

Finally, on the point of leadership, how many great CEOs would be dragging an ex-employee through the mud on a public blog?? Actually, I don't think any "real" CEO or even a low-level executive for that matter (great or terrible), who had any formal and proper training would to that. So where does that put you, Mr. Haddix? Nowhere!

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Morgan & DAPC

Of course there are other ways to generate economic development other than DAPC.
It starts with an elected leader aka a mayor who doesn't blog disruption and works with council on a clear and shared vision to accomplish the goal.

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One way is a public/private partnership

This almost requires a creative and experienced leader, but the model used here in the 1980's and 90's where the landowner/developer spent a fair amount of money promoting the city and calling on the elected officials (usually the real mayor Brown or Lenox) and when appropriate a construction company almost always GroupVI, to put on a dog and pony show for the prospect.

A creative mayor would find out which bank owns all that industrial land after the PCDC bankruptcy and sit down with them and Group VI to structure some type of plan. Probably the best structure would be an EDO or even a land broker with some polish to be the front person who is funded by the bank, city and construction company. $40 or 50,000 per year from each plus some free office space at CVB or city Hall should get it done. Someone like John Boothby (retired) or Tate Godfrey (moved away) or even Mike Amos (still around). In fact, it might be better for Group VI to put this thing together and bring it to the city - in January.

Of course some banks still haven't figured out they are in the real estate business and will have to spend huge sums of money to market property they now own instead of just discounting which automatically devalues the neighboring property, but we might get lucky and find a bank that actually gets it and would fund a marketing budget. Don't know until someone tries. And by someone, I mean someone who has a businesslike demeanor and exudes professionalism.

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Haddix: Who Owns

We already know who owns what and do talk and work with them. Not a new idea.

We cannot give them free space, it is illegal. In fact, we cannot have them stationed in a city building, it is illegal.

We are also talking redevelopment.

The fact is the private sector you are talking about want grants, etc. That requires an authority.

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The train is OFF the rails

Look away!

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Mayor, Back to the Point...

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You stated above, "The citizen's back getting DAPC back and creating a Comprehensive Strategic Plan."
As an example of how you twist truths and lie as a convenience to prove any baseless point you think makes you look good, I asked you to tell us all what data can you bring to the table that proves there is any truth to that claim.
A lot of hot air since then, but still waiting on your facts to back up this random claim.

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Haddix: Says one thing, does something else

So, you agreed to hiring Joey Grisham, then you turn around and verbally abuse him to run him out of town. Lets not forget you also denied it all on the blogs as well.

Talk about wasting taxpayer money. How much did that cost the taxpayers in salary, wasted time, etc.

All because of YOU and Cathy!

You want DAPC, so you went out of you way to sabotage Joe Grisham.
Who do you think you are? Who gave you that right to mess with and interfere with a city employee and waste tax payer money in sabotaging the hire because YOU didn't get you way with DAPC?

You are a liability to the taxpayers! You have hurt this city in so many ways.

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Haddix lies to many to count at this point

Dienhart has laid out an economic development plan. You, again, want to put this off on other people as opposed to actually leading. Goodbye little man. You will not be missed.

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americanpatriots: Yes

18 days seems like an eternity at this point and I think he'll go more off the rails before the inevitable happens.

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Agree, it is hard to look away from Train Wrecks..

Going to be interesting to say the least.

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Mayor Haddix and the ARC

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Want to know the real story about what happened with Haddix and the ARC? Take a look at www.ptcpride.org and click on "THE ARC" tab. Even includes a link to the letter the Mayor wrote to the State complaining he was booted off the commission by the other Fayette mayors for political reasons... see what the state said back!

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Haddix: Never on the ARC

I have never been on the ARC.

Now, as regards my removal from the Regional Transportation Roundtable (not the ARC), I was told I could be put back on but I had to file a legal action against the removal. Not worth the money when the other 20 members supported the TSPLOST.

If you think you have all the communications, think again.

Yep, I was removed for political reasons. I did not support the TSPLOST.

If I had been on the ARC I could not have been removed.

Now, where is Ken Steele, who headed up the effort? Out of office. Jack Smith and Herb Frady who backed the effort from the Commission side? Out of office.

And who on PTC Council backed these guys? Kim Learnard, Vanessa Fleisch and Eric Imker.

So, take you pot shots all you want. I was removed but the voters of Fayette backed my arguments and removed them. I ultimately won and they lost.

Notice how Fleisch, Learnard and Imker do not want to talke about this? Or the Censure? Or how they, plus Dienhart do not want to talk about the illegal salary taking?

I guess you supported the TSPLOST.

Oh, by the was, since then, due to me efforts against the TSPLOST, I have been invited by the AJC and some others to submit positions papers and talk on more current PLan 2040, Concept 3 and other related issues impact Fayette and the region.

Maybe you are not aware that another big push is building to do the TIA, TSPLOST, etc, yet again.

This is not a dead issue and I remain a known player in the issues.

Glad you brought it up so I could get the real facts out there, not your spinning fabrications. You listen to Imker far too much.

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More Haddix lies

Show us where you were told you could go back. Wait, you could go back if you filed a lawsuit? Wouldn't that require you to win the lawsuit? You are a moron, and worse yet, you think we all are as well.

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Mayor: You suffer from the inability

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to distinguish fact from fiction because you are too self-absorbed in your own importance. Additionally, you have a unique disposition in that you can't ever admit you are wrong about anything. Thus, you make up the facts as you go along to support any position that makes you feel good about yourself. Nobody is buying it anymore.

Now, these are the facts Mayor so listen carefully.

- Fayetteville Mayor Steele was the deciding vote in a 3-2 position to place you on the Regional Transportation Roundtable (the voting arm of the ARC) to represent the county;
- After he left office he apologized to the citizens of the county for selecting you, saying he was "sorely mistaken" that you would appreciate the opportunity to meet your counterparts and learn more about transportation and the issues facing our region
- Due to the fact that you were an embarrassment to yourself and to our area and that your negative comments resulted in ZERO projects for our county should the SPLOST pass, the city councils of Peachtree City, Tyrone and Fayetteville voted to have you removed
- In typical fashion you stated they could not legally do so but the other mayors in the city did just that, and voted you off unanimously save your own lone vote.
- You appealed to the State Attorney General's Office asking for intervention on your behalf stating that your removal was illegal.
- The state responded that nothing happened improperly by you being ousted.

End of story.

This is a perfect example of where you are incapable of assessing all of the relevant facts in a situation and making a rational determination of what happened. So let me summarize it for you as any normal thinking human being who reviewed the facts would conclude:

As a new Mayor (10 months on the job when you were appointed to the roundtable) you were given the opportunity by the other mayors in the region to take on a role of leadership where you could learn and grow and be a part of an important process. Right, wrong or indifferent, you failed miserably at this role to the extent that everyone who had a voice in the matter went to great strides to get you out of that position. This wasn't just Mayor Steele, it was the majority council of three cities and ALL of your counterparts as mayors. This wasn't a conspiracy Mr. Mayor... EVERYONE agreed you needed to be thrown out! In typical fashion, you thought you had been unfairly treated as part of some political game and tried to turn to legal avenues to resolve your horrible treatment and got turned away by the state. Now in this blog and everywhere else you can to anyone who will listen, you will try to convince us that there was nothing wrong on your part it was everyone else that was wrong. And therein lies the problem.

All of this is well documented on the ptcpride.org website including the easily downloadable letter you sent to the Attorney General and their response.

You say you have more documentation that we aren't privy to then great. POST IT. You have a website. Send us a link.

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Haddix: False Again

http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/11-14-2010/its-official-steele-ousts-...

Mayor Don Rehwaldt of Tyrone opposed my removal.

The State said they do not get involved as their job is to represent official above the local level.

On the Fayetteville Council, the Mayor and 4 Councilmembers lost or are not even trying to run again. In large part because of their support of Ken Steele and the TSPLOST.

Those you are trying to defend here lost, across the board. A number of those on the Roundtable also lost reelection bids over the TSPLOST.

As I said, it is obvious you supported the TSPLOST. Not surprising since you are a back of Eric Imker.

I believe that puts enough information out there to discredit your efforts.

As I said, it looks like you supported the TSPLOST, since you are trying to defend it here so much.

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That's where you are wrong Haddix...

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My vehement opposition to you and your re-election has little to do with SPLOST, the budget, or the existence of the DAPC. I have opinions about these and other issues but you notice I don't debate them with you here.

So that you understand, my SOLE reason for opposing you in this re-election bid is that in my opinion, you are dishonest and unethical beyond anything I have ever witnessed in local politics in the almost forty years I have lived here. You will put your own best interests ahead of the best interests of the city and the citizens in a blink of an eye. You will tell a lie and twist the truth to make you look good at the cost of anyone in your way.

If I were alone in my assessment, then that could very well be directed as some personal quirk that I have. But just an a very small sampling of what others have said publicly about you confirm that anyone who has spent any time watching you over the past four years or working with you will agree:

Larry Susburg, former Planning commissioner - "Idiot"
Mike King, Council candidate, "imbecile"
Terry Garlock, Columnist, "can't be trusted"
Eric Imker "Delusional"

The list goes on and on. Check out www.ptcpride.org and click on the Haddix 101 tab to see a very small sample of comments and newspaper articles that outline your performance in office. Horrible and shameful.

You are always touting this swelling support that you have in the city but I have yet to find even ONE other than your wife, Pumpkin that has anything good to say about your role in our government. Where are they?

Here is a challenge... see how many people you can get to come on the blogs using their real name and tell me why you are the best option we have for mayor. I would be thrilled to discuss it with them.

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Haddix incapable of understanding

Answer the questions, liar.

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Can't Answer The Question Mayor Haddix?

Of course you can't.
For 6 years you have been unable to answer the question! Yet you can bully council members.
You have no plan because your numbers don't work and you know it.

If you had a financial solution for PTC you would have worked with council on it years ago.

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Haddix: Already answered

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Haddix: Not An Answer

That's not an answer! and not a plan. You are the elected mayor, you have been on council 2 years, mayor for 4 years so after 6 years you have no idea how you are going to either raise revenue or lower expenses?

No new taxes, no bonds, $29 million operating budget and $20 million in cart and road repair.

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The choices could've been better

Stephanie Franz because she doesn't have snobby political connections!!!

Mike King could be another Don Haddix, but I'll take a chance : (

George Dienhart over Harold Logsdon who is slimy!!!

Flip a coin on the other race!!!

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Question for Don Haddix?

Question, Mr. Mayor:
Since you oppose the $14.6M in SPLOST,and you don't want anymore taxes or bonds and you say the city is $20M in debt, the logical assumption is you must cut. What $20M are you going to cut?

Will those cuts help the city and bring it up to the lovely place it was in 2007, Thank you.

And, please do not answer that we need a Comprehensive Plan....show us where you plan to cut $20 million from the $29 million budget to cover road and cart repairs.

Where is your budget proposal? Show us how your math works...Citizens have been waiting for your plan for 6 years.

Simple answer!

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a mistake was made, a regretable comment

placed in the same position who among you have never made a slip in comments. who among you would not use the resources available to defend yourselves. it's done over..................let's move on.

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Pumpkin, I've made lots of mistakes...

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including a slip in comments. No one here is advocating that there isn't room for forgiveness and "moving on" when errors in judgement are made. The problem is Pumpkin that in the case of Mr. Haddix, he never admits that he makes a mistake; thus, restitution either financially or otherwise for damages caused are not forthcoming.

Think of this strategy for a moment. What if Mayor Haddix right now made a public apology to the citizens and taxpayers of Peachtree City. Admitted he made a grave mistake in his comments about Logsdon and simply had an error in judgement that he knows cost not only the reputation of a fellow citizen but also costs the citizens $12,000 they should not have had to pay. Then, in an unforeseen act of humility, paid (or made the commitment to pay) back the city that money, regardless of the election results, simply because it was the right thing to do.

Can you imagine? First and foremost his chances of being re-elected (which you must admit right now are slim-to-none) would increase dramatically. As human beings we like people who can admit their faults. Secondly, PTC PRIDE, the group I helped form, would have egg on its face: one of our biggest complaints against the Mayor would be resolved. Don would get even with me and many of his detractors. It would turn the Mayoral election on its head. Don Haddix would now be able to raise his head high in the face of those who claim he doesn't have an ethical bone in his body.

So, as a vocal opponent of the Mayor, why would I give such a clear-cut directive on how Don could become relevant again in this race, risking losing the time, effort and money myself and others have invested in this effort? The simple answer is there isn't a chance in hell that Donnie Owen Haddix would ever do this. It is a very safe bet and therein lies the problem with the Mayor and why he must go. He can't or won't admit that he makes a mistake now and then and do the things necessary to correct those mistakes. He is so scared of admitting (to himself I think) that he could possible be wrong, he creates his own demise.

The problems Don Haddix has, and the reason he has brought such fierce opposition from people like myself who are not normally ones who do much more than vote, is he is predictably delusional about his own importance and perfection. Like the "Emperor and the New Coat," everyone can see his nakedness except himself. As horrible of a Mayor as Don Haddix has been, the part that scares me the most is that I know that in his mind, he truly believes he is the greatest thing that ever happened to the city. In my estimation, that makes him a very dangerous "leader."

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Thank you and I appreciate your honesty MM

Yet again, let's move on. Stop blabbering out about the same thing over and over and stirring up the haters and possibly borderline mental. Mayor Haddix may not be Mr. Personality I give you that, however stick to the issues. If you choose to have, 'hadditwithhaddix', state your claim, offer your suggestions. Sarcasms, condescending, intimidating remarks you use are the echo and part of what you are accusing Mayor Haddix of. If you are going to fight for your convictions and malcontent quit whining.
And MM should you find yourself in a situation and received council, how would you have handled it, would/could you have paid.

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Pumpkin: Good points

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And you are right. The Logsdon lawsuit is water under the bridge and doesn't impact the issues we are facing as a city. However, it sticks in my craw (as I suspect it does for many of the citizens)as an example of how the Mayor would handle a similar situation in the future. Simply put, Don can't be trusted to do what is in the best interest of the city when the chips are down. Our experience shows us that he will always default to doing what is in his best interest regardless of the cost to the city.
In terms of how I would have handled it? Good question as I couldn't have written a check for $12K either. This economy has taken its toll on me and my personal finances as well. The difference is, I don't have the city coffers as an option.
Finally, it is worth pointing out that it is my understanding that a simple public apology from the outset may have prevented this lawsuit to begin with. Instead, the Mayor reiterated the truth of the "part drunk" statement and stood fast in his position rather than eating a little humble pie, apologizing and moving on.

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true or not the comment should not

have been made, especially in writing, a mistake was made, again please move on. however how do you know absolutely it was not a truthful statement. sir I do not know how many meetings you attend, but I am very sure 'some' I have attended, have had citizens that come from home after a cocktail, or walk from a local establishment with drink on their breath. I suggested to our mayor after this unfortunate incident, 'true or not', should it occur in the future, with any citizen, he recognized with alcohol on their breath, he should call in the authorities and have them removed and perhaps if possible, banned from future meetings.

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pumpkin

Well, that would eliminate at least 2 running right now, right from the gitgo.

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incident happened before

I was speaking of "citizens" the public attending the meetings. But.......yes I think you are right. Was not aware of the Yknots (group?). Very interesting. Hope you are listening Mad Mike.

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MLC- 2?

We all know about the Half Drunk Harold accusation that Haddix made, who is the second?

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Nostar

surely you jest. hahahaha

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MLC

not at all. I have only heard about Harold Drinking, YNOTS crowd...

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Nostar

I'm not as dumb as you think I look.

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Education levels and degree

I would like to know the education levels and degrees of each individual wanting to come to work for me. I am paying your salary as a citizen and taxpayer. Please just list your degree, where obtained and expertise in service to the citizens of this once great .city.. If you truly want the office you are pursuing for the right reasons you will comply. If you have something to hide you need to get out of the public spotlight. Thank you in advance for your cooperation

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Credit reports

I don't give a flip about the education levels - I'd like to see their credit reports, job performance reviews, martial fidelity records, and testimonies from their offspring. A track record of strong character counts - nothing else matters.

Steve

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I like good people too, but they can be dumb as hammers

Why not a smart well educated good person? A High School degree would be a start.

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Citizen_Steve - Strong Character

I totally agree, I would say honorable character too.

What say you Mr. Haddix, do you think yourself honorable?

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