Mayor touts savings, Dienhart wants ‘reform,’ Logsdon cites ‘return to civility,’ Jolly opposes SPLOST

Candidates for the Tyrone and Peachtree City councils face the public Saturday at the Fayette County Library in Fayetteville. From left, front row, are Tyrone candidate Pota Coston and Peachtree City candidates Stephanie Franz, Cathy Haddix (with microphone), Mike King and Kim Learnard. Back row, from left, are George Dienhart, incumbent Don Haddix, Ryan Jolly and Harold Logsdon. Photo/John Munford.

Councilwoman Learnard: "SPLOST a good business decision"; Mrs. Haddix opposes, says PTC must make budget provisions for its own expenses

Four of Peachtree City’s five mayoral aspirants put their ideas up for public consumption in a candidate forum Saturday hosted by several groups at the Fayette County Public Library in Fayetteville.

Political newcomer Ryan Jolly took the stage with former City Councilman George Dienhart, former Mayor Harold Logsdon and incumbent Mayor Don Haddix. A fifth candidate, Vanessa Fleisch, was absent due to a prior commitment.

Dienhart positioned himself as the reform candidate, advocating the hiring of a public safety chief to oversee the fire and police departments and also for the implementation of zero based budgeting to further cut costs. Dienhart was first elected to the council in late 2011, having moved to Peachtree City four years earlier. He resigned his council post in August to run for mayor.

Jolly meanwhile said one of his largest goals is to “bring functionality back to a most dysfunctional government,” noting the biting disagreements and verbal tiffs that have happened at council meetings on more than a few occasions.

Likewise, Logsdon spoke of the need to “return civility to the mayor’s office,” renew an emphasis on ethics and rebuild relationships with the city’s neighbors.

Haddix bragged that he was able to save the city over $1 million a year in increased efficiencies and said the city needs to re-activate its former development authority to seek out small and medium size businesses that can’t be targeted by the county development authority.

One of the more important questions asked was whether the candidates supported the proposed core infrastructure Special Purpose Local Option Sales Tax that will be decided by voters in November. Haddix and Jolly opposed it, while Dienhart and Logsdon favored it.

Most of the city’s projected $14 million share from the two-year SPLOST would go towards road and cart path maintenance to plug an annual $1.5 million gap left by the exhaustion of funds from the 2004 countywide transportation SPLOST.

Jolly said the sales tax is a short-term fix for a long-term problem, saying the city should have budgeted for road and cart path repair instead of hoping for voter approval.

“We know we’re going to use it. We know it’s going to wear out,” Jolly said.

Haddix opposed the new SPLOST, saying it would cost $200 a year to the average homeowner when the city has already raised taxes and needs to “get its house in order first,” instead of issuing a new tax.

Dienhart said the new SPLOST was “a no brainer” because it would cost more to raise the millage rate or take other actions to raise the money. He added that he wanted to use the new SPLOST “as a bridge to sensible budgeting” so such a measure wouldn’t be needed in the future.

Dienhart did not explain what areas of the budget he would cut to get to the annual $1.5 million in savings necessary to accommodate road and cart path repair, but said the budget deserved a look at each line item.

Logsdon said he supports the new SPLOST in part because it is a consumption tax and also because the previous five-year SPLOST allowed for a number of transportation items to be taken care of.

“People don’t come to Peachtree City to live in a second-class environment and we’re going to have to pay for it,” Logsdon said.

The candidates were also asked how they would “solve” traffic on Ga. Highway 54 West.

Logsdon made a case for extending MacDuff Parkway, adding that it wouldn’t completely solve the problem. He noted that while a study of the area seems a bit much, it’s probably necessary.

Dienhart disagreed, saying any study should be funded by the Georgia Department of Transportation instead of the city so state taxpayers and not city ones, are footing the bill.

Jolly said a friend of his who is a road engineer suggested a bridge over the intersection that would allow the existing traffic light at Ga. highways 54 and 74 to be removed.

Haddix said the true solution lies in road improvements outside of Peachtree City, which he contends is “completely bottlenecked” on Hwy. 54 West.

Explaining his concept for the public safety chief’s position, Dienhart said he wants an out-of-town staffer brought in to help resolve issues at the police and fire department.

“The problem is we’ve been slapped with some lawsuits over the past few years, and the way to fix that is through a public safety chief,” Dienhart said, arguing that the departments need a culture change.

Candidates were also asked individual questions that others couldn’t address. During that portion of the forum:

• Logsdon was asked about his management style. He replied that he believes in giving guidance and direction but avoiding micro-managing.

• Dienhart was asked about how to use his role as a regional leader to have a positive impact. He replied that he already has an “excellent working relationship” with other regional officials and suggested he was the only mayoral candidate at the forum who has done that consistently.

• Jolly said part of having a balanced budget means funding “regular maintenance items like roads and cart paths.” He also added that he wants to get more young people involved in the city.

• Haddix said there were areas in which the city could trim costs. He also touted his role with other governments in the region, saying he was friends with the mayors of Riverdale and Union City, for example. Haddix also said he promoted the city at events hosted by the Georgia Municipal Association.

• Logsdon said he supported efforts on economic development because commercial development brings in far more revenue than industrial revenue while new residential development has a negative revenue attached to it.

• Jolly said he did not support a new traffic light on Ga. Highway 54 West to serve a gas station and restaurant which are part of a larger undeveloped shopping center.

Several questions were also asked about county government, despite the fact that the mayor won’t have any jurisdiction over county affairs to speak of, as those powers are expressly delegated to the five-member Fayette County Board of Commissioners.

The candidates were also asked about district voting for the county, another moot issue because not only is it out of their jurisdiction but the issue has mostly been settled with a ruling from a federal judge that requires the county to adopt district voting in lieu of the county’s current at-large voting procedure.

The event was co-hosted by several Fayette County groups including the local branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the local Fayette County Issues Tea Party and the Fayette County Democrat Party.

Forum marked by absenteeism of some council candidates

Several city council hopefuls in Peachtree City joined a counterpart from Tyrone in facing live questions Saturday at a candidate forum sponsored by several groups at the Fayette County Public Library in Fayetteville.

There was a certain lack of fireworks due to absentee candidates, as the only race drawing all competitors was the Post 3 seat in Peachtree City. In that race, incumbent Kim Learnard faces challenger Cathy Haddix, the wife of incumbent Mayor Don Haddix.

While Mrs. Haddix said she opposed the countywide core infrastructure Special Purpose Local Option Sales Tax, Learnard said the option will be up to voters, as she never committed to a position on the sales tax. Learnard did say “a good business case” could be made in favor of the SPLOST.

If Fayette voters shoot down the tax in November, the city will need to find another revenue source for an estimated $1.5 million a year in road and cart path maintenance.

Learnard said the SPLOST would cost the least for taxpayers based on an analysis done by Peachtree City Councilman Eric Imker.

Mrs. Haddix said the city needs to first address its own budgeting issues before taking on more spending through a new sales tax.

Mrs. Haddix argued that the city needs to reinstate its development authority to help get more businesses to come to Peachtree City. She also advocated more citizen involvement “because we have a lot of things that need to be shaken up, so to speak.”

Mrs. Haddix also said Peachtree City has been ranked as the least affordable city among other cities its size in Georgia.

Learnard said she has helped expand economic development in the city and voted for a balanced budget while restoring recreation programs including those for seniors.

At the same time, the city has cut the budget significantly over the past four years to create a sustainable budget, Learnard said, admitting that it lacked road and cart path funding.

“Every department in Peachtree City has been cut to the bone,” Learnard said. “We’ve cut so much that the potted plants in the lobby of City Hall haven’t come back.”

There are seven options that have been devised to solve the road and cart path funding issue, Learnard added.

Learnard said she has showed leadership by remaining positive and working diligently for the city, adding that she is invigorated by meeting with residents on various issues several times a week.

“I like to think of it as I have 35,000 bosses,” Learnard said.

In questions posed to individual council members, Mrs. Haddix said she didn’t think the raises approved for city council members were unreasonable, but later she clarified that she would not pursue a raise while in office.

Responding to another individual question, Learnard said one of the city’s biggest issues is a need to look at its borders to determine how to control growth.

Peachtree City Post 2 candidate Mike King was the only one of three candidates for that seat to appear at the forum, as Shayne Robinson and Austin Chanslor did not participate.

King said he won’t “massage the truth to make things look better” but wants to apply fiscally conservative principles and specifically to resist increasing city debt.

King said he also supports hiring a public safety director to oversee Peachtree City’s police and fire departments, specifically to replace both the police chief and fire chief’s positions.

As for the core infrastructure SPLOST, King argued that roads and cart paths need to be funded from the general fund budget and a SPLOST should be for special projects instead.

“A SPLOST is a crutch,” King said, noting that with a budget north of $29 million the city should be able to fund road and cart path maintenance. “We need to live up to our responsibilities, not abdicate them.”

King also said one of the city’s biggest challenges is bringing amenities to the city so young families come back to Peachtree City, citing how his three children have not come back to live here as adults.

Asked about the largest budget he has handled, King noted that in his work with the Centers for Disease Control, he worked on a pandemic influenza immunization plan that cost more than $300 million.

King also made a pitch for switching city elections to even numbered years which would save $80,000 and increase turnout because it would coincide with presidential elections every four years as well.

The race for Peachtree City Post 4 also resulted in just one candidate appearing, as Stephanie Franz was on hand and challenger Terry Ernst was absent.

Franz, a political newcomer, admitted to being a bit nervous and “green” but said she loves Peachtree City and wants her 4-year-old child to grow up here.

Franz said she wants to get more young people involved in city affairs, saying she felt the recent National Night Out event could have been better attended by families.

Asked specifically if she would approve spending city funds on a college and career academy in Fayette County, Franz said she would, in part because the county needs to attract younger people.

“Bringing a college to town would be a wonderful thing and I would vote yes,” Franz said.

Franz said the city needs to broaden the tax base by bringing in more businesses and finding a way to redevelop neighborhoods that need to be revitalized.

“You can’t have families if you don’t have businesses here to employ them,” Franz said.

Franz said she supports the core infrastructure SPLOST.

Tyrone Post 3 candidate Pota Coston was on hand, while incumbent Ken Matthews did not appear at the forum.

Coston said she wants to revitalize the downtown area, citing a current lack of reasons for residents or visitors to walk or drive their golf cart there.

Coston said the vacant Tyrone Elementary School building could be an opportunity to help the town in that regard. She also wants to see a Livable Centers Initiative plan to help create “a vibrant downtown.”

Coston also noted that the town doesn’t have a budget shortfall, but good business sense is needed in weighing taxation decisions.

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Haddix: Georgia Annexation Arbitrator

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(Posted this on another string that is dying off (my mistake) so wanted to put the question to you on this more active blog.)

Mr. Mayor. Can you tell the us, the citizens what a "Georgia Annexation Arbitrator" is? No accusations here, but you have said this is a position you hold several times in editorials and in the blogs, and I just have never heard of one. When I Google the term in quotes "Georgia Annexation Arbitrator" only three references come up, all links to your own description of yourself. Are you the only one?

Are you employed by the State of Georgia and/or is this a position licensed by the state? Do you have to have a degree in a special field or take a test to become one? Again, no attack just personally don't know and am curious. Thank you...

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http://www.gmanet.com/Publications.aspx?CNID=21584

Training was done jointly by GMA, DCA and other State agencies. We are certified with the State via DCA.

I don't know the exact number of arbitrators, but there are not a lot. We are scattered all over the State since there has to be enough to serve everywhere from a reasonable distance.

As far as I know, after I was invited to train in 2009 there has been no more training.

Once tested and certified you serve for your full time in office plus 6 years. So, at a minimum I will be an arbitrator until December 31, 2019.

A panel consists of 2 from cities, two from counties and one from a college or related background. One is elected to serve a chair.

I have chaired the last 2.

Five from each area stated are given to the city and county involved. They research and pick the panel. I have been picked for every arbitration.

There are around 2 arbitrations per year.

The panel, once selected, cannot consult any lawyer from anywhere on the arbitration. We are judge and jury, so to speak.

http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail-pf.php?n=225396

I added the second link from my first arbitration to answer anyone challenging if I am actually an arbitrator. The names of the arbitrators are rarely published, as I think you have discovered.

I am also certified to sit on a Downtown Development Authority, which requires training as well. And have trained for a Development Authority, like DAPC or the FCDA.

I do not believe in speaking on an issue if I don't know what I am talking about.

I can honestly say none of the Council Candidates or other Mayoral Candidates have taken education as seriously as I have. I currently have 204 credits, over 250 hours of class time, just from GMA.

Trying to get it all out there in one post to save time.

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Interesting Don...

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Thank you. Did not know anything about it. Have you done anything with it or are you pretty much just standing by when ready.

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Contacts me when I am needed. When a city and county want arbitration, they go through DCA, never directly contacting an arbitrator. The procsss is in the State Law.

Elected from other cities occasionally call me to ask advice on annexation and some other areas. Having good relations with other areas of the State is important.

Being an arbitrator helped when we were going to do the 4 parcel annexation. There was a some resistance from someone at County and we talked. I explained why it was fully legal and they had no actionable objection.

It was also key in proposing and in developing the Future Land Use Plan.

So, yes, it comes in handy for the City, at times, being an arbitrator.

A lot happens behind the scenes you never hear about.

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I doubt it. You are as much of a pariah outside of PTC as you are in it,

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OCGA § 36-36-114. Arbitration panel; composition and membership

(b) The arbitration panel shall be composed of five members to be selected as provided in this subsection. The Department of Community Affairs shall develop three pools of arbitrators, one pool which consists of persons who are currently or within the previous six years have been municipal
elected officials, one pool which consists of persons who are currently or within the previous six years have been county elected officials, and one pool which consists of persons with a master's degree or higher in public administration or planning and who are currently employed by an institution of higher learning in this state, other than the Carl Vinson Institute of Government. The pool shall be sufficiently large to ensure as nearly as practicable that no person shall be required to serve on more than two panels in any one calendar year and serve on no more than one panel in any
given county in any one calendar year. The department is authorized to coordinate with the Georgia Municipal Association, the Association County Commissioners of Georgia, the Council of Local Governments, and similar organizations in developing and maintaining such pools.

(d) Prior to being eligible to serve on any of the three pools, persons interested in serving on such panels shall receive joint training in alternative dispute resolution together with zoning and land use
training, which may be designed and overseen by the Carl Vinson Institute of Government in conjunction with the Association County Commissioners of Georgia and the Georgia Municipal Association, provided such training is available.

From http://www.gmanet.com/Publications.aspx?CNID=21584

So....I think any elected official who asked and got trained could be on the panels.

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When they feel they need to do training, the issue invitations. It is a pretty involved event.

To my knowledge the last training was in 2009.

Sorry, didn't see your post before I did mine.

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Tiers 1,2 and 3 industries

Several years ago I served four years on the British Columbia, Canada economic development council appointed by the Premier of B.C. and I certainly know what the various tiers mean.

I was only asking if Haddix had a clue what they meant or did he just recently discover the buzz word by googling it on the internet.

If we had any tier 1, 2 or 3 industries looking to locate in PTC they surely would not waste their time talking to Haddix!

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Problems in Fayetteville will come to PTC

I hear talk about how young families don't move to PTC and how the community is aging. What I don't hear about is that a large part of the problem is the aging housing stock. If I was looking for a home and had an income of 70K or so what would I buy? I can't afford a nice house in Planterra, Braelinn south of the parkway or Kedron where the nice housing stock is. If I am looking below 200K I have a choice of Glenloch (old 70s houses that have seen better days) Wynnmeade (dumpy 60's or 70s houses with Section 8s all over), Tinsley Park (flooding) etc.. or a new house in Senoia with all the bells and whistles. We looked at downsizing but all the really nice neighborhoods would have been a wash. PTC is where Fayetteville was 10 years ago. I don't know a solution but it seems that there is affordable housing all over town but not the houses that the young middle class wants. We need the amenities to pull in folks and need the bells and whistles to pull in the tax dollars. If we don't have something special to offer residents why not move to Coweta for a newer nicer home.

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You make some good points. I live in the county. I moved here in 1983. I came for the school system and to get out of a deteriorating Clayton County. I was also attracted to Fayette Counties laid back atmosphere which is no longer. I notice below where Haddix and Dienhart both tout all the code's and their enforcement as a positive for PTC. I chose to live in the county because I thought the level of code enforcement in PTC, as well as the city taxes, were ridiculous. Since then I've heard a lot of young families say that while there is recreation in PTC there is little for children to do on a regular basis other than the aquatic center. And the original "Village" concept with no big box stores has been abandoned. Most houses, of the price range that you mentioned, in PTC are built so close together that you can lean out of your window and shake hands with your neighbor leaning out of his. Couple that with the fact that the school system's reputation has taken a hit in recent years and I think we can see a few more issues to add to your list. If I were choosing today I'd move to Senoia.

PTCO- I have a friend that gave up on moving his business to PTC for the very reasons you mention in your post.

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The Codes I am talking about also apply to the County. They are Federal and State regulations. They often a royal pain.

Your point is dead on concerning Rec. The One Peachtree City said while we have a lot of Rec it is the wrong Rec. They want Community and family oriented, not formalized team sports.

The Comprehensive Strategic Plan will require citizen input and then streamlining.

We cannot stay on our present course, as your comments reinforce.

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Interesting observation, it would seem that one solution would be to allow for the re-development of certain areas. You see this happening in Brookhaven on the north side of town. Many post WWII houses are being purchased and torn down, and in their place nice starter homes for young couples.

In addition to this concept, I know of many seniors here in town that would like to "downsize" but not in terms of quality. Older homes or neighborhoods for that matter could be redeveloped into upscale communities for seniors that accommodate their needs.

It would seem to me that the city council needs to look at encouraging this type of development, through tax incentives, planning and other actives.

Besides Directors of Public Safety positions that are ill defined, I haven't heard many creative solutions from candidates on how they will allow the city to prosper. That means getting government out of the way. I know one business owner that has been waiting for months to get the proper permitting from the city just to open his business here. He says it's the most frustrating process he's ever faced in starting a business.

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I grew up in the Chicago Area and this was common when the suburbs built out until the commute was extreme. Towns that were 30 miles or less from the city (like Hinsdale, Il in the 1990s) had people lining up to buy old properties and tear down old homes and build larger nicer homes. The main issue is that Hinsdale had special amenities..walking distance to a train to get to downtown Chicago and a downtown with Specialty Shops, Bars and restaurants. In the 90s you had to move out another 20 miles to get land and a decent home for an inexpensive price. The problem we have is there is still great deals on land and housing 10 miles away. Mayor Haddix thinks that new industries and cutting costs will help..but most of the new jobs will not lead to new residents and cutting costs will only lead to fewer services and a lot of unhappy employees. We have to compete withe Senoia which is new and cool... It seems that the Mayor is too far from having young kids that he just wants it cheap and doen't want to pay for family quality.

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We have simplified and sped up our permitting process. It does not take months unless there are problems with compliance to State and Federal established code, WASA inspection failures, etc. Unless complicated, it takes days only, sometimes just the time to fill out the permit request.

I have received no complaint concerning whoever you are talking to. Use to happen before the changes were enacted, but the very few I have received since all turned out to be compliance problems, not permitting process.

Please send me the name, etc, of this business, or have them contact me with information at dhaddix@peachtree-city.org. I want to ensure there is no exception going on in this case.

On redevelopment, if you followed through on the details, you would find those redevelopments are being processed by the developers through either a Downtown Development Authority or a Development Authority. That is how they request those grants, breaks, etc. Tax breaks directly by cities are expensive on property tax.

Like the TAD you have heard about, it is a Tax, no freebie. A percentage of property taxes from one designed area are taken out of the Budget. That means the City has to replenish those dollars from other revenue sources.

The bond is supposed to be paid by the increased revenues resulting from the TAD area. If it fails to do so, the city has to assume the bond and pay it off.

It also requires the owners in that area to agree to the TAD.

TAD's began in California, but since have the law has been retracted because the bonds failed more often than the succeeded.

Redevelopment is a function of an Authority, not PTC directly. Even if we bought lands it would have to go into a Land Bank for ten years and then be sold to the highest bidder. We would have no control over use, but an Authority would.

Look at Newnan, Senoia and other places where there is redevelopment. All are being handled by Development Authorities.

Every State has Authorities. They exist to do what a City cannot legally do or do more cheaply. Simple reality here.

GMA and the Carl Vinson Institute conduct classes for Municipal elected in many areas. In the areas relating to economic develop they have 7 classes totaling 49 hours of training. I have attended them all.

There are also other resources available, but you have actually want to learn and not assume looking at a couple of Google searches gives you all the answers. They do not.

I do agree government gets in the way too often. The public/private with the Tennis Center is but one example of how the private sector does many things better.

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Mr. Haddix - Now

You don't actually think I will send you his name do you?

Why don't you trot over to the appropriate department(s) and see which new businesses have been waiting in queue, perhaps you'll learn something.

Husband says there no problem either, well I guess if you don't have your money tied up in investments in a new business and your waiting for the government to act, there's no problem. After all it's not your money, right?

You can lay it off on the State of Georgia and the Federal Government if you want, after all it's always a good cop out. They will likely lay it off on City government. The joke of government "regulations" continues to be nothing more than a public job program.

Can't wait for election day.

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An interesting point was made at the Fayette Vision conference. Some cities are putting together special teams to help business in the situation you described. All the necessary players (planning, permitting, etc) would drive out to the business owner, sit down in a conference room and get it done. This will happen if I am elected.

I agree, government needs to get out of the way and let entrepreneurs innovate. It's not governments job to throw up artificial road blocks.

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Mr. Dienhart - Great idea

who was at this Fayette Vision Conference? When was it held? What are the positive actions that came out of it?

I understand you support the notion of a "Director of Public Safety"?

Can you give us a little color on this position, I asked the same questions in an earlier post to Mr. King but never saw an answer.

1. What are specific responsibilities of this new position?
2. To whom will the position report?
3. What are the specific goals of this position and how will they be measured? How often?
4. What is the process for hiring this position?
5. What will this position be paid?
6. If planned goals are not attained, how will this person be held accountable?
7. Finally, what problem(s) are you attempting to solve with this new position?

Thanks

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By restructuring the departments and setting higher expectations we will reduce lawsuits, which will save you money. The expectations of the new Public Safety Director will be to adopt community policing. We want as many boots on the ground as possible, but we also want them deployed in our neighborhoods and on the multipurpose paths. I believe this will lower crime. Now, this is innovative, but it has been successful elsewhere. Police Chief Magazine stated there were 130 agencies (in 25 states) in the United States with at least nominal consolidation of public safety services. I am proposing a Functional consolidation- this is where police and fire services are not integrated but consolidation occurs within middle or upper management. A paper by the University of Michigans Jeremy Wilson and Cliff Grammich (Police Consolidation, Regionalization, and Shared Service) stated that potential increases in efficiency, promotion of community policing, and enhancement of community safety. Consolidation can also enhance homeland security preparedness by improving communication among all public safety personnel, unifying command structures, planning for all inclusive emergency responses, and comprehensive training.

The position will report to the city manager. We will collect data from other cities already utilizing a PSD as well looking at our current chiefs positions to come up with the correct metrics to measure success. This would be done on a yearly basis. We will have to evaluate the pay. I don't have that answer for you. We will look at similar cities with a psd. The new Director would be held accountable just like you would be. If you don't do your job, your employer will find someone that will. The city will as well.

The conference was last week. A similar conference in the nineties was responsible for getting a hospital in Fayette County. The process has just begun. About 120 local leaders were invited. The next step is a vision statement. FCDA and the Chamber of Commerce are also involved.

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Thanks for this information, you say that we will save money on lawsuits? How exactly would we know this in advance of creating this new level of complexity?

If you and others are proposing a new position, there should be some hard numbers concerning estimated savings, which would be used as a measure of success. These measures should fairly be put in front of candidates as their specific goals to be reached. They should know what is expected from them and the citizens have a right to know too. After 40 plus years in business I have learned many things but one essential thing is to quantify, measure and hold people accountable. Every candidate advocating for this new position should be able to layout these three essential elements before adding yet another public employee. If you are proposing this position, saying that you don't know how much the position will pay is unacceptable. It should have been part of your analysis on payback.

Put this under the heading of "you hardly ever hit what you don't aim for".

Please give us some specifics Mr. Dienhart, or simply say you don't know. If you say you don't know, then we'll chalk it up to one of those "visionary" constructs that just sound good but don't mean much.

Then I will know whether to support you or not.

Thanks PTCO

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PTCO - Spot on

I have yet to see Mr. Dienhart be able to support how a Public Safety Director will provide us better service or save us money.

We also have yet to hear from him or his camp on some hard questions posted. If we do get a response from his camp, they deflect the question by asking us to call him direct. This tells me there is information his camp prefers to keep quiet.

This includes: education, home ownership and or taxes paid to the city, career, if he has time to assume the position with his career, ect..

I have a feeling George is losing traction after his fast start. In my estimation, Allstar is a plant on the blogs because she registered about the same time as Dienhart announced his plan to run for mayor. (Another Pumpkin?).

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Permits are no longer a problem

If people have their ducks in a row, a permit hasn't been a problem in some time. Of course those unfamiliar or those who think their special always complain.

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Fishers Bank

That is a nice subdivision in the price range....

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Senoia is ok if you are just buying a house

but if you have kids in school, PTC is where you want to be. If you have to live in the 48th or 49th state education wise, it would be pretty important to be in one of the best school systems in that state. Mediocre (i.e. Coweta County) in Georgia is pretty bad nationally. Or just send the kids to Woodward.

Since that isn't really an option for most shopping below $200k, you need to get creative and make compromises. Buy one of those townhomes at Lexington - they'll negotiate down to the $190's - or should.. Not great but they do have all the modern appliances and fixtures and you are certain to get into McIntosh. There are several nicely rehabbed homes in Glenloch, but they sell real quickly if and when they do come on the market. There is also some real junk in Glenloch, teardown candidates. Wynmeade and Tinsley would not be fun places to live with kids.

My son and daughter went through this last year as their kids were getting to school age and they opted for a 20-year old home that needed work and they are doing what they can a little bit at a time. Hubby helps a little and in 10 years they will have a completely redone house. Seems to me the kid's education is more important than granite countertops, but others may feel different. This generation does seem to want and thinks they deserve everything right away. Maybe every older generation thinks that of the younger set.

It does point out the long-term problem of an aging community. Seniors will get taxed out of their homes and young families can't afford them until there is severe price correction. Meanwhile, more schools close and the county's rep for good schools goes away. Wonder who is going to solve that problem.

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If Rec was the answer we would be drowning in young couples. We have 75% of the Rec in Fayette, but have the slowest growth rate in the County.

We have 249% the Rec of other Class B Cities in Georgia. They are growing far faster than we are.

We have the strongest and strictest Code Enforcement in Fayette. Tyrone does not even have a Code officer, but is outgrowing us.

We have nationally ranked fire and police. We are one of the safest cities in the US.

What is missing? Three things.

First, affordability. We rank last place in Georgia in tax affordability.

The Needs Assessment Survey said no more taxes. We are taxed enough. It said Rec was their lowest priority.

Second, jobs. Young working couples do not want to commute.

I have heard it over and over. We have the green, the sign control, the paths, safety, school system, etc. They would move here in a heart beat if they could get a job here.

Third, a Comprehensive Strategic Plan to get where we need to go.

The One Peachtree City survey said we need jobs and the Plan.

Clarity here, while the paths are our number one attraction, and used for Rec, they are not legally Rec. A matter of semantics, but a critical one when looking at a Plan and taxes, since they are paid for via the Public Works Dept, not Rec.

We began the County Visioning process Friday. The two end goals were to get jobs here to bring young couples and a Comprehensive Strategic Plan for the future on how to get the jobs, etc. The experts who have done this in many cities state those are always the top two goals.

It was repeated over and over and over a vision requires a Plan to get there.

Peachtree City has all the great things I listed above and more. We do not have a Plan on how to bring jobs here and streamline the City to what the citizens want to get costs down.

You hear candidates. Mayoral and Council, pushing more taxes and debt, more Rec, more retail space, restructuring the PD and FD. All are their personal visions and plans.

You only hear two pushing listening to the citizens, job recruitment of Tier 2 and 3 Industry and business to create good paying jobs, redevelopment to enhance PTC and attract jobs and a Comprehensive Strategic Plan.

The FCDA only does Tier 1 recruitment and retention. They repeat that fact over and over. They said it again at the Visioning Meeting. They said it at a meeting of Regional Legislators and Mayors at Pinewood, where no presenter spoke for PTC.

We need the FCDA, don't let anyone every claim I have said anything otherwise. But we need redevelopment and Tier 2 and 3 job recruitment as well.

You hear the constant mantra of some we are a commuter city. If we don't get out of that mantra and thinking you are keep seeing more and more gray.

We moved here 26 years ago when the population was 20,000 less and the commute was easy. Those days are long gone by.

Just some things to think about.

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Tier 2 and 3 don't want to live here

Tier 2 and 3 folks are generally the folks making less than 70k a year and sorry to be snooty but are definitely the folks that don't want to live in the $120k homes in PTC. Sorry to say it but most folks would pick a $170K new home in Senoia to an old home in PTC. Yes, Fayette County Schools are better but if I can buy a 2000 sf home in a nice neighborhood that needs no repairs and is not near Section 8 housing I would. It is not like Coweta Schools are like Clayton..Most folks are going to have to commute hopefully to the airport area which is still convienent. It is about making PTC Special..you can't bring in enough jobs that pay to make PTC a place to live and Work.so you have to make PTC a place to live and enjoy. You are delusional we are a commuter city..and thanks to the airport we have prospered for many years.

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Haddix's Strategic Plan and Tier 1,2 and 3 Industries

How many more times do we have to endure hearing the same old garbage from you about a Strategic Plan? We have heard that tune long enough Don, so please try and engage the bloggers in an intelligent convesation already!

You had 6 years to development a Stragetic Plan and a responsible city budget and you failed miserably on all accounts!

What exactly do you mean when you say we need Tier 1, 2 and 3 industries. The term has several meanings. Do you even know what the term means or is this just another buzz word you found by googling the internet?

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Haddix: Tiers

http://www.patterson-building.com.au/blog/difference-tier-1-2-3-building...

Depending on the evaluator and industry, they are also defined by revenue or even data handling.

There is no one singular definition, but the link is the one I am referring to is the type of definition I am looking at.

For PTC Tier 1 is the big industries we are able to attract and Tier 3 is the small.

As for your accusations of failure, it takes a 3 vote. When you have other elected who are only interested in their agendas, not the citizens, it isn't going to happen.

As noted, you support the Visioning process to develop a Plan, but not one for PTC. Pure political rhetoric to try to elect Dienhart.

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AmiercanPatriots : TIER 1,2,3

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Here's some of what I found on Tier 1,2,3 companies. I think the new companies into Peachtree City per the city council meeting are all Tier 3 not Tier 1.

http://www.citehr.com/61344-tier-1-tier-2-tier-3-companies.html#ixzz2iIs...
Companies which usually have a revenue more than 1 billion $ comes under tier 1 companies with more than 50,000 employees.
Companies with revenue over 100 million comes under tier 2 companies list wioth employment of 4000 t0 10000 employees approx.
Comapnies having revenue less than tier 2 companies are classified as tier 3.

Here's what the Houston Chronicle says:
A tier one company is the most important member of a supply chain, supplying components directly to the original equipment manufacturer (OEM) that set up the chain. Creating a tiered supply chain is part of supply chain management. Its aim is to link important business functions and processes in the supply chain into an integrated business model, according to the Council of Supply Chain Management Professionals

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American Patriots: PTC Eco.Development

As you know there are many ways to approach Economic Development. The citizens know it, council knows it.

We have an economic development manager within FCDA who was put there to stay clear of the mayor since he ran the last manager out. Some much time was wasted and lost.

At the September 5, 2013 Council meeting our development manager announced four new expansions, and two new industries coming, bringing more than 200 jobs and over $55Million in new investment to Peachtree City.

No one disagrees we need and want more economic development but only this mayor wants the DAPC who would be part-time volunteers to do it. Everyone in city has moved on from DAPC (well, almost everyone). The citizens wanting eco. development does not mean it has to be and can only be DAPC!

How economic development and staffing should be done after a new mayor is elected is something our new mayor and council should determine. Meanwhile we have an excellent person in place, selected and trained by Mr. Forshee and that experience, along with the networking that has been done is valuable to us.

Meanwhile, look at RWM's recent post on development, from yesterday. Clearly RWM has been there and done that!

Definitely many ways, and too much time wasted.

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I have actually touched on this in the campaign. We need to have a mixture of young and old in town to maintain the standard if living that we are accustomed to here in PTC. This means we need a thriving rec department- young families pay attention to that. We also need to roll out a program that will encourage those with homes in older neighborhoods to maintain them. Two ways we can do this is through stricter code enforcement and tax breaks or rebates for home improvements. We also need to get the police off the highways and into the neighborhoods. This would immediately improve the quality of life in areas like Wynnmeade.

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Haddit with Haddix

Only 17 more days before the voters kick Haddix out of office!

November 5th can't come quick enough for the citizens of PTC!

I plan to post a daily countdown reminder so that Haddix doesn't forget to start packing.

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Haddix's "Blog Attack Tactic"

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Funny Don. As far as I can tell you are the only one who has a blogging strategy and even call it by name., i.e. "Blog Attack Tactic." I can't speak for others but all I am doing, and will continue to do is call you on your lies which is exhausting because it seems that little comes out of your mouth that has any resemblance of the truth. I do this just in case there are still voters out there, even one, who believe there is even an ounce of merit in you being a good choice to lead our city for the next four years.
In terms of "we" (assuming you mean those that oppose you) wanting to be the only voice on here, the overwhelming fact is that you are the only person on these blogs with a pro-Haddix viewpoint (save an unidentified pumpkin and an occasional random post by Ms. Mary dba MoeLarryCurly). That should tell you something Mayor.

Challenge is still open for you to produce voters, verified by name, to come on these blogs and tell us they support you. Love to engage them. Are there any?

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Haddix: Old Blog Attack Tactic

That is, if you don't like what someone says repeat what you have said a million times. It doesn't have to say anything meaningful. That is to drive the posts they don't like off the page.

They want to be the only voices on the Blogs.

If they were truly interested in debate and discussion, they would allow the other points to be made, state their own, and let you decide.

Search/read down the page for what I posted before that they are attacking.

Thank you.

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Hate filled victims of a mad frustration

Mayor, they're all just victims of a mad frustration. They've reached what should be their golden age and have found their lives to void of fulfillment and without purpose. So, like so many Arabs, they turn to hate in an attempt to fill their lives with meaning. Hatred always deceives - a hater can never see that the source of hate is in one's own self. Honestly if you do not get re-elected, I fear what could happen - no doubt incidents of road rage, vandalism, and carting under the influence will rise significantly. You've provided a great service by removing so much of the hate from our fair city.

Steve

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LOL!

That is some funny stuff.

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Nuk

The funniest part of this is Haddix thanked him...

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Haddix: Citizen_Steve

Thank you.

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Placeholder

I want this is place to make certain that Mr. Haddix doesn't delete it.

This is beyond funny!

I suppose Mr. Haddix believes people will be jumping off buildings if he's not re-elected.

LOL

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Haddix: Placeholder

I had no intention of deleting it.

I thanked him for the observation of the characteristics of those, such as yourself, who blog here.

No expectation of anyone jumping off of buildings, either.

Even mudcat recognizes the negative impact taxes and related costs are having. We are ranked last place in tax affordability.

I would remind her Fleisch and Learnard are major sources of the tax issues she noted.

How about Jim Richter, who supports a County Visioning Plan but not a Comprehensive Strategic Plan for PTC? Staff and the City Manager support it as do the citizens.

Some say there are no good candidates this year, which they are entitled to believe. But, one of us is going to win. Will it be the pro tax Fleisch who thinks Rec is the answer to our problems? Logsdon backing every developer that comes to town and undoubtedly wants to try another run for State? Jolly, who knows nothing about government and really has no platform? Dienhart, who answered Scott Bradshaw, who backs Logsdon, but will not answer Citizen_Steve's questions, plus the one I added, because the answers will not help him? Plus all the issues his answers revealed? Or me?

That is the bottom line here. Whoever gets elected will be voting on critical issues. Are you going to vote where they want to go or on personalities you like or dislike or even gender?

It is really as simple as that, whether you like it or not.

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Mr. Haddix - honor

You stated you have it.

Did you define it?

I might have missed it.

Please refer to my earlier post on this subject.

Just answer those questions to determine if you have what it takes Mr. Haddix.

Oh yes, please post your resume while you're at it.

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Mayor Haddix: Calling you on every fabrication

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"Staff and the City Manager support it (Your Comprehensive Strategic Plan) as do the citizens."

Show us what data you have that proves this. Wishful thinking on your part does not make it a fact. While we are at it, still waiting on the facts that backs up your claim that the citizens favor the re-establishment of the DAPC.

MAYOR, PAY BACK THE $12K YOU TOOK FROM THE CITIZENS!

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Haddix: Easy to Prove

From the City Manager email dated 11/20-2012:

The topic of a Strategic Plan has been referenced several times since I have been City Manager, and I am sure it has many times earlier. Problem is we do not have one. Oh, we all have our individual ideas of what is a strategic direction for the city, but do we have consensus? No,

I am the one who referenced it several times, noting my pushing for it since 2008.

http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/12-30-2012/ptc-manager-urges-%E2%80%9...

You are batting ZERO on your accusations.

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Batting 100% Mayor on...

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pointing out your fabrications and you being unable to prove otherwise with FACTS. By the way, I still am 100%. Batter up.
You have said nothing in this "answer" as to where you have proof that the citizens support YOUR strategic plan and nothing here that shows the citizens support the re-establishment of the DAPC.

So you answer one part of three with the City Manager Quote(and that is weak because he says "A" Strategic Plan, not YOURS) and the other two points, regarding citizen support for either YOUR strategic plan and the re-establishment of the DAPC, you say nothing.

Horrible effort on your part. Admit that these statements are simply representative of your wishful thinking rather than fact and we can move on. I have asked you a half dozen times on the proof that the citizens support bringing back the DAPC and you have been silent. Prove or retract.

MAYOR, PAY BACK THE $12K YOU TOOK FROM THE CITIZENS!

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Hey madike, why you talking about DAPC? Is da mayor?

Is he bringing that up again or are you going off the reservation with your DAPC references?
I suspect you know what is on his alleged mind, but I seriously don't understand why DAPC is coming back into the conversation. And why now? Isn't this a toxic subject for someone trying to get reelcted?

Should we be instead focused on budget issues? What am I missing?

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Hello Mudcat... Mayor Haddix

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has mentioned several times in the last couple of days that the citizens support bringing back the DAPC. I have been trying to get him to tell me where he received his information and what facts he has to support that claim and I am still waiting.
You are right of course. The DAPC is gone and is a dead issue to everyone except in Don's mind. You would think that arguing for bringing back an organization that blundered away $1M in taxpayers money wouldn't be a good campaign strategy, but right there it is - front and center.

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Vanessa said she got us a full-time employee at FCDA

Just got an e-mail from her that was a mass mailing announcing early voting that was another of her innovations to encourage seniors to vote, but in it she said she (not we, not they and certainly not him), she got Peachtree City a full-time employee on FCDA that is totally focused on Peachtree City. Well now, that sounds like a solution. A focused professional and an Authority that can issue bonds if it wants to. Don't think they operate under Steve Brown's thumb, so what's wrong with that setup? Why would anyone consider bringing back DAPC when we have this setup courtesy of Vanessa? It probably doesn't even cost the city anything - like DAPC did. Is the mayor jealous of Vanessa? Does he want to be more involved - wow that would be a winning recipe for business development - more visibility for da mayor.

Thanks Vanessa for doing this for the city, you have my vote.

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Haddix: Reality

The Council who appointed that old, long gone DAPC group was responsibe. Putting those who would profit from such as the Tennis Center in power to approve its construction was Good Ole Boy at its worst.

Logsdon, who sees himself as an elite, bailed them out of many legal issues. He didn't have too. The City could have been completely clear of the whole mess if he had just let the court take the appropriate actions.

You don't seem to get it. The FCDA and DAPC are identical in power etc. Everything the old DAPC did the FCDA could repeat.

While they won't, I don't hear you expressing concern over them and wanting to dissolve them. I hear you denigrating the DAPC Imker and crew dissolved.

This is all political agenda from you supporting Imker.

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DAPC & Haddix

Ok, that's absolutely one of the absurd comments made!

FCDA has a board of volunteers who are county leaders and business people.
FCDA employs professional full time, well trained economic development executives.

Stop with DAPC, we don't need amateur part time volunteers running a bonding authority. We need professional(s). That's why many cities employ professionals!

DAPC was defunded not for some political agenda. It was done with the idea in mind that we needed a professional, not part time volunteers! Yes, there is more than one way to do something but if it's not your idea you make these absurd statements and go on the attack. That behavior must stop!

DAPC is gone and everyone has moved on but you!

Enough already!

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DAPC Budget-Presented June 5, 2010

Our mayor and recently Ms. Haddix, candidate for council said that "Peachtree City has a spending problem"

If you agree with that statement, let's review what DAPC proposed at City Council workshop on June 5, 2010. You decide if this is money well spent in economic development.

1-New hire to take meeting minutes,pay accounting, $35,000.00
liability insurance, audit and legal bills $25,500.00
2-Meeting, training, hotel bills and travel, etc $33,245.00
3-Dues, studies and office space rental $29,070.00
4-Advertsing in magazines, brochures, website $16,000.00
5-Plaques, awards and gifts $3,150.00
6-Reserves of 5.36% $8,035.00

TOTAL $150.000.00

So when does the economic planning begin?
What a waste of money!

This is DAPC in "living color" and what they asked for. In a time when the city was facing a $24 million shortfall.

No politics here as the mayor claims, just smart financial thinking on the part of city council to say NO and vote this budget down plus shut down DAPC for good!

$150,000! Run by part time volunteers as an independent authority with little to no oversight.

Council wants a professional manager working within a structure, either city hall, or now inside FCDA.

There are many ways to accomplish economic development but wasting $150,000 where more than 60 cents on dollar is spent on overhead is not a good investment.

City Council - thank you for ending DAPC!

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DAPC budget is perfectly reasonable - by federal standards

Look at the IRS - same categories just add a bunch of 0's

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Haddix finally right about something

"You don't seem to get it. The FCDA and DAPC are identical in power etc. Everything the old DAPC did the FCDA could repeat."

You are right, and this is why DAPC is redundant. Why fund two organizations to do the same thing?

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Yep Mayor, You are Always Right...

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and everyone else is always wrong. In this list you include those in the list that just don't get it as, all the other Mayoral Candidates, PTC Observer, Jim Richter, and Scott Bradshaw. On these blogs and elsewhere you have said that the list of those who are just wrong are all the other mayors in the county, their respective city councils, each and every member of your own city council, the State Government, every citizen on these blogs save Pumpkin), other candidates for city council, columnists in papers, your next door neighbors, and the list goes on. Is there anyone you don't have a rift with?

Meanwhile quoting Mudcat as saying something in your favor is a little bit of a stretch isn't it? I think what she said was that an opposition group to you and Cathy was unnecessary as you both do a great job on a daily basis of showing why you shouldn't be elected.

MAYOR, PAY BACK THE $12K YOU TOOK FROM THE CITIZENS!

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Embarrassing

You are an embarrassment to this city. I sent links of the Citizens to several friends all over the country a week ago and ask their opinion of you Donnie O. I have heard from 8 of them in the last today's and the comment I liked best was that guy is all balls and no forehead. Why is he wasting his time and money running for reelection when he should have been booted out of town months ago. One had read about Clayton County Sheriff getting elected with criminal charges pending and assumed we were in the same county. Give it up and pull out while you can. Btw why did you leave the health dept? Could you not make nice with the people there.

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Haddix: Health Department, Theprez

Again devoid of the truth.

I am still on the Board of Health.

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Haddix and old blog strategy

You are the Grand Master!

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Haddix strategy

That explains why we keep hearing the same lies out of you over and over.

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Haddix: FACTS on Joey Grisham

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You have tried to argue here and in documented council meetings that you supported Joey Grisham, the Economic Development Coordinator and that you had nothing to do with him abruptly resigning. This is why Mr. Grisham said he left, in a letter to Eric Imker, as read in your Censuring proceedings:

"I left because of Don Haddix and the unstable nature of the position, as well as being away from my family. You, Vanessa and Kim were the reason I stayed the first time I thought about leaving. You three were great and gave me tremendous support. I cannot say that about the others who are more focused on ego development than economic development."

Now tell me Mayor, how exactly do you twist this into anything other than you were the overwhelming if not only cause of Mr. Gresham leaving. Here again, you would be better served arguing why you thought he should leave rather than arguing that you had nothing to do with it. The former attempts to explain why you felt the need to run Mr. Grisham off (an established fact)and more reasonable effort, rather than the latter of attempting to convince everyone you had nothing to do with it; an argument akin to telling us the earth is flat.

By the way, do you believe the earth is flat? Just curious...

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Mary or MoeLarryCurly

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It appears you support the Mayor but do you vote? Trying to keep a running tally here. Right now that would put the total vote for the Mayor at 3. Anyone else?

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Insane mike

Whether I vote or not is nothing I would ever discuss with you anywhere for any reason in this life or any future life. As with the you and the rest of your ilk on here, you will never know who I will vote for. That, and the fact that you call me someone's name, which is wrong, just reinforces so much of what you and others are wrong about.

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Mary mary quite contrary

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Fair enough Mary, but let me ask you... why it is wrong to call you by your name? I didn't use your last name although I know it. Are you ashamed to be identified as a Haddix supporter?
If you support him it would be much more helpful if you did identify yourself to give some credibility to your statements. Just a thought.

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insane mike

"although I know it." "identify yourself".

You don't know squat. As proven on this blog. There is no mary or mary mary here.

Tell me, are those veiled threats? What's next for you toward me? Seems some documentation is in order here.

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Haddix: Summary Statement

A summary of all that has been discussed.

The $10,000.00 was under a spending cap that required City Manager approval, not Council. The City Manager had not given it.

The interview process should have had more research done than it did.

An EDC cannot do economic development and the FCDA is not doing all we need done.

Details behind the departure of Joey Grisham were given.

The citizens want DAPC back and they want a Comprehensive strategic Plan.

Showing how political some on these threads are, on the 18th I attended the County Visioning opening meeting. It was all about creating a Comprehensive Strategic Plan for the county. The two key outcome goals were economic development creating jobs here to attract young working couples.

George Dienhart and Jim Richter were there and supported it. Bob Ross, of the Republican and Tea Party was there as an organizer and supported it. It includes data and surveys of the citizens of the County. They supported it.

But, for PTC, neither Dienhart or Richter support it. Is that pure power politics? Absolutely! Or else pure hypocrisy, the convenient political positioning of the moment.

Just saying the blanket statement all Republicans or Tea Party support Dienhart or walk in lockstep is sheer nonsense. No more than all in the County Democratic Party do either. Even true in the NAACP.

Reality check, here Harold Logsdon has been a Republican in the County for a very long time.

The lawsuit against Brown, Dienhart and Richter is Republican against Republican. The assault charge is republican against Republican with accusations of falsifying a police report Republican against Republican.

So, this elevation by such as Dienhart of the Republican and Tea Party as reason to elect him is absurdity.

Fact is the Needs Survey was controlled, thus significant. The one for the County will not be, thus not significant, statistically speaking.

After all was laid out on the Grisham issue, Learnard, Fleisch and Imker Censured me for doing my job and disagreeing with their support of Grishmam's positions. That says volumes about their disregard for the what the citizens want and my office under the City Charter.

Same with being Censured over Ken Steele, Jack Smith and Herb Frady. I dared disagree with their support of these pro TSPLOST elected, who were removed from office in large part due to their TSPLOST support. That includes the Fayetteville Councilmembers now gone or going.

There is, in fact, another push for another shot at a TSPLOST. I will continue to oppose it.

Same with on the Logsdon lawsuit. Their support of Logsdon ultimately ended with their retraction of the accusations made against me concerning him and a restoration of my salary due to an illegal taking of salary.

Ironically, Logsdon is now critical of them and their conduct on Council for the last 4 years.

Mike LaTella, Larry Sussberg and Steve Thaxton have been long standing supporters of Imker and his policies. Imker has been the driving force behind the failed recall effort, failed ethic charge and current ptc pride efforts.

LaTella is one of Imker's ethics reps and supposed to be unbiased. On the try at an ethic charge he said he could serve as chair of the committee without bias. No one is buying that one and he would have been removed.

Dienhart, who lost a rep, picked Randy Boyett to rep him just before the ethics hearing would have begun. Nobody believes that was an unbiased choice. He would have been removed.

In closing, please note Allstar American never replied as to why Dienhart has not answered the questions by Citizen_Steve, which I did answer. Or if she is Dienhart's daughter (fair question since she has said pumpkin is Cathy, a blatantly false statement denied before).

For one who has been prolific on every other issue, that is telling.

Note as well since that came up, Dienhart has not been back on either.

For those not knowing, my poltical position is Independent. I don't like either major party.

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Haddix & Spending Caps

Is that why you submitted $9,969.40 for your private lawsuit reimbursement? So only the city manager had to approve it and not council?

What a coincidence!

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Haddix: Closing Statement

Don, point fingers twist and turn all you want but it's your history. The facts are being posted here, on www.PTCPride.org AND on candidates' websites. Citizens are reading the truth. Your history, not twists, turns and fantasy. Some websites are even posting videos as proof so you really can't twist this around...

The voters will decide if they want 4 more years of you based on your past record. You created your own history no one else.

A small recap:

1-You tried to DOUBLE your salary as soon as you got elected when the city was facing a $24 million financial crisis.

2-The city was sued by NorSouth because you said the wrong thing at a joint planning meeting.

3-You were sued for saying the wrong thing on city email, privately sued.

4-You took TAYPAYER money, and to this day you show no remorse for that claiming you were indemnified yet GIRMA turned you down 2 times and only after a 3rd letter, written by a city lawyer, did you get the money which was less than the deductibable. Don, you took the money directly from the citizens!

5-You ran off the city's economic development manager and directly interfered in the process. Now you are rude and boorish to FCDA because you can't get your way.

6-You have been censured by city council.

7-Removed by Fayette County mayors on the TSPLOST committee of ARC.

8-You have offered no serious financial solutions in the budgeting process and when you made one attempt, the city financial director showed it would bankrupt the city by 2014. Not once did you submit a budget, yet you claim to be the city's CEO. Never met a CEO who didn't do that.

9-You have picked fights with elected officials at meetings, the blogs, letters to the editor.

10-You have taken credit for projects that are not yours.

Twist, turn, spin all you want, too bad Chubby Checkers isn't around because he could sing why you twist.

In reality there is just too much public record available. You had choices, and only you selected this path, no one else. Let's see what the voters say.

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Mayor Haddix: you are talking to yourself

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No one is buying any of this self-serving BS except for you and your wife. I have been through each and every one of these issues with you and proven that while my points are based on fact, your points are based on either lies or at very best, twisted half-truths.
You can't get along with anyone. Your own list here proves it. You cause friction and have a beef with every person and every entity in the county; everyone is always wrong and you are always right.

You continue to make the statement that "The citizens want DAPC back and they want a Comprehensive strategic Plan." I have asked you multiple times where the proof is in this statement and as typical, you just keep saying it without any proof whatsoever, believing that repeating it over and over will make it more true.

In terms of Eric Imker, let me just tell you the facts. I support Eric Imker on council because I believe he is doing what is in his mind for the best of the city. Similarly I support Vanessa Fleisch, Kim Learnard, Mike King, and Terry Ernst for the same reason. In terms of Eric, his financial experience in the private sector is experience we need on council to deal with our budget issues. Rest assurred the moment I no longer think he has our best interest at heart, I will oppose him and he knows it. My only loyalty is to Peachtree City.

I have no interest in running for public office here or anywhere else and never will. Other than serving on the PTC Youth Development Committee some 20 years ago, the only involvement I have had in city government was being appointed (by Eric) to the Ethics Committee and then voted as Chairman by its members, a position I still have. AS you know, the Ethics Committee hasn't been convened in 20 years and the ethics charter is weak. The position has no power and has no effect. Fine.

In terms of Eric's involvement in PTC PRIDE, he sent out a letter to his constituents asking them to support the group. In fact, since he wasn't a part of our discussions, he sent out that letter prematurely well before we wanted to announce ourselves, it made its way to the papers, and sent us scrambling as we didn't even have the website up yet. I also think he has a HADDIT WITH HADDIX sign in his yard but not sure, but then again so do your neighbors in Dover Square.

As typical, you focus on the wrong issue which is probably good for our cause but idiotic for yours. Rather than spending your time trying to figure out why I am somehow being underhanded in my opposition to you, you should be focusing your efforts to find out why a group of citizens without political aspirations themselves, would ban together and invest their time, money, and resources to get you the hell out of city business. Understanding that those reasons involve your actions and your character rather than any grand political scheme, maybe you could change something and drastically make an about face to offset your dismal support for re-election.

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Haddix: Signs

I am not commenting on most of what you said, it is meaningless campaign tactics.

Yep, there are 2 signs in Dover Square. One is a part time resident and friend of Debbie Imker. The other a new resident.

Those are among the Haddix signs and majority support for us in the Community.

While on signs, tell who keeps stealing my signs to knock it off.

I agree we need to change the Ethics Ordinance. If I win, it will be changed next year and there will be no more picking by elected. That means you will be gone.

And yes, I know you know that is being looked at and have objected.

Almost forgot, for just talking to myself and no one reading or paying attention, you did and responded.

If I were as done and irrelevant as the few of you claim, you would just disregard me and move one. Instead, you spending money and time trying eliminate me.

People don't do that with the obvious looser you claim me to be.

Your actions contradict your words.

Add that to the summary and hopefully nothing else needs to be said.

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People don't do that with the obvious looser you claim me to be.

Well now, brown cow, no reason to think you are a "looser" (sic) or even a loser or an idiot. No reason for any of that has ever been put forth Ha! You da man, man.

Just to be clear about what you said, here it is again:
"People don't do that with the obvious looser you claim me to be."

Hot stuff rhetoric, candidate for mayor of Peachtree City. Did you even finish high school?

Think I'll vote for someone else. Vanessa is my choice. Or maybe Nancy. She runs the Visitor thing and I think she would be a good choice to take over the Business Development function for the city. Nancy may not be on the ballot, but I'll ask Vanessa about the female to female hot line and see if we can get that done.

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Haddix: Mrs.Imker

I emailed Eric Imker and asked him to take a peek that you posted his wife here in the public.
Thinking she should sue PTC to prove that you continue to blog with the Title of Mayor placing the city at risk.
Assuming the city is liable for your behavior, she should win a financial settlement which should could return to the city BUT prove the point that you jeopardize the city and it's citizens with your impulsive behavior.
Enough already!

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A little desperate Mayor?

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Let's see Don, you think you have a "majority support for us in the Community." Tell me where you see that. Let me guess, a bunch of citizens emailed and called you. Got it.

In terms of stealing your signs, that's funny since I never see any out there to steal. I already told you the only places I have seen your reelection signs... at your duplex and in that one public area on 54 where everybody and their brother have signs. Helping fulfill requests for HADDIT WITH HADDIX signs I have driven around the city a lot; just not seeing any. Now I have seen plenty of Dienhart, Fleisch, and Logsdon signs, even a couple of Jolly's. Are you waiting for a special date to flood the city with Haddix signs from all the supporters you continue to purport you have? Waiting.

You are right on one point. Our whole effort may be unnecessary. You most likely wouldn't be re-elected based on your own fumbling/bumbling over the past four years. However, with the future of our city in the balance, and your re-election being so detrimental to it, we didn't believe we could take a chance. So there you go.

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Saturday evening laugh riot

Good stuff

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what is a "looser?"

Really, I can't get my head around this "looser" bit.

Go back to having pumpkin or your wife proofreading your blogs because they often times come across as nonsensical.

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Haddix & A Lawsuit

Thanks for posting with the Mayor's Title under your name.

Wonder if Mrs. Imker or Joey Grisham will sue the city.

You are a real class act....bringing Mrs. Imker into this.
How about a public apology now!

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Pitiful Little man

typing till his fingers bleed. Thankfully you and Otis Campbell won't see the mayors office again.

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Do you really think this is what a Mayor should do?

Argue non stop on local blogs?

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Haddix: sorry little man trying to distract

again, where did dienhart say he was against a strategic plan? Or Learnard? I've been asking this for weeks. Dienhart does not engage you on the blogs. Hasn't in ages. You are irrelevant. You are trying to draw him out and drag him down to your level. I doubt he will ever engage with you. I want to see that retraction. Of course you won't provide it. You are lying. Again. If you are an independent, why did you pay dues to the GOP? Are your feathers ruffled because they also saw through your pandering? And you didn't answer all of Citizen Steve's questions. Counting the days until you are gone...

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mike,mike,mike

at the end of election day you'll get all your answers you will see us all when the mayor gives his acceptance speech again.

thank you again mayor for responding to these knuckle heads and setting them straight.

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Now Pumpkin....

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Are you calling me a knucklehead? I kind of like it!

To get answers about Haddix at the end of election day is a little late, don't you think? You can't seriously believe Donnie O. has a snowball's chance in getting re-elected. He can't even get anyone on these blogs to support him except for you and you remain behind the "Pumpkin" name. The only ones here that we know truly represent an actual voter because we know their real name are staunchly against the Mayor. Seriously Pumpkin, you may not be Ms. Haddix, but you might be Haddix's brother typing from a mental institute in Boise, ID. We just don't know.

If you look at the signs throughout the city, the HADDIT WITH HADDIX signs outnumber the Don and Cathy signs 50 to 1. In fact, other than in Dover Square where the Mayor and the mrs. live, I have only seen one Haddix sign, in a public area at the corner of 54 and Sumpter Rd. Is there anyone in the city that is brave enough to put up a Haddix sign in their yard? Tell me where.

Of course this isn't a scientific poll but I just don't see any support for the Mayor anywhere. I'll keep looking.

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Mike you good looking loser

we don't need to follow your silly little first grade untruthful signs, nor do we need to stick banners anywhere (I have a few places I wouldn't mind) time spent better supporting our mayor. Mike I have my answers, again I don't agree with everything from the mayor and he has my support. the handful of vile haters who post here are sad. the mayor takes his time and answers everything you knuckleheads try to misquote and stir around. he has a commitment to our city and he will win. what I meant by you having the answers when the polls close is the voters will decide and they will support our mayor. omg can you really imagine either one of the others attempting to handle this very important position. hopefully during the remainder of this term and his next term you will try and offer some positives for our city. .

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Loser x 2

Donnie and Kathy(Pumpkin) will be on the ballot Nov 5 th is true, another true statement they will not win the positions they are vying for. Now Donnie and Kathy y'all have a problem recognizing the truth....we'll here it is

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Mayor: Still Waiting

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For you to give us proof that the following statement you made today is anything more than a another Haddix fabrication.

"The citizen's back getting DAPC back and creating a Comprehensive Strategic Plan."

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Needs assessment

I attended the council meeting when that silly irrevalent needs assessment was presented.

The sample size was so small that nobody should take it seriously.

I had a lot of experience with statistical sampling as a student at UCLA and as a CPA with Price Waterhouse. At the meeting, I pointed out the unreliability of the needs assessment that was performed. I was told that a college professor confirmed the validity of the sample size but nobody could tell me who that college professor was. Josh Bloom, the presenter of the study, told me it was some college professor from PTC but nobody could ever name him. I don't know if he really exists or not.

The study was a complete farse!

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Haddix & Needs Assessment

How many young people were on that committee and was the sampling representative of younger families?

On a further note, as you rip and gut our recreation programs and facilities because you personally don't use them, did it ever cross your mind that has a major impact on our planned community.
Last I checked, when you drive into town it says welcome to Peachtree City, not Haddixville.

Time for a mayor who can lead and work with city council, not bully them and, in the process, try to destroy the original and shared vision this city was built on.... Not your personal plan!

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More non answers fr Haddix

He can't share the name of GOP or Tea Party supporters because he has none. Can't wait for the lies to end. That last post was full of them.

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Haddix, my agenda

In case you haven't figured out what my agenda is, it is very simple!

I want to see you soundly defeated for the good of our City.

You have become an embarrassment to the entire community and November 5 will see the end of your failed career in the political arena.

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Haddit with Haddix

We only have to endure Haddix's insane rambling blogs for 18 more days before he is soundly defeated! Has he completely lost touch with reality?

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Haddix: Reality, Jim?

No, I am in full touch with reality. The question is, with 2 legal actions against you at the same time, are you?

The citizens back getting DAPC back and creating a Comprehensive Strategic Plan. So, if I am out of touch, so is the majority of PTC residents.

I know you are backing Dienhart, who is also a party with you on one lawsuit, because he is Tea and Republican Party. That is the straight ticket party politics that is destroying the Country.

It has to change. The current party system is not working.

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Haddix

You are a dues paying republican. You sent the check, for the first time, right after declaring. Why hasn't even one prominent Republican backed you? You also tried attending tea party meetings after declaring, but they noticed that you only come to meetings during election years. Your pandering didn't fly there. Are you now attacking Dienhart because the people you were pandering to decided to support him? You are pathetic and I can't wait for you to lose. Between your lies and logsdons lies, this campaign has been disgusting.

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Haddix: Correct

I did join for one year and attended three meetings. I did attend a few Tea Party meetings. I was hoping to see movement is a good direction.

You have not seen me at either for months. I will not be paying again.

Do I have backing from Republicans and attendees of Tea Party meetings? Yes. Am I sharing names? No.

What prominent Republican has backed Dienhart, other than Richter? I have not heard of any. But, I know of some who have dismissed him.

Are people leaving both Parties because they do not like what is going on? Yes.

Is it even important or relevant in a non partisan election? No.

Did the Republican Party officially back my opponent in 2009? Yes, but I won with 66%.

Has Dienhart answered Citizen_Steve's questions, as I have? No, and we both know why.

I will not call it disgusting, but it is dishonest for Dienhart to claim he is the source of civility when his record is reviewed. Same with Logsdon and Fleisch.

At least I am honest on the issue since there never has been a Council that didn't get into collisions at times.

I have said I have and will obey the law. That is factual. But Dienhart already has broken the law more than once, yet attempts to claim he has and will obey all laws.

Finally, since the lie keeps getting stated pumpkin is Cathy, a question in return is fair. I have been told you are Dienhart's daughter. Is that true?

What else is there possible to say in responses to you? Nothing I can think of at this time.

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