Mayor touts savings, Dienhart wants ‘reform,’ Logsdon cites ‘return to civility,’ Jolly opposes SPLOST

Candidates for the Tyrone and Peachtree City councils face the public Saturday at the Fayette County Library in Fayetteville. From left, front row, are Tyrone candidate Pota Coston and Peachtree City candidates Stephanie Franz, Cathy Haddix (with microphone), Mike King and Kim Learnard. Back row, from left, are George Dienhart, incumbent Don Haddix, Ryan Jolly and Harold Logsdon. Photo/John Munford.

Councilwoman Learnard: "SPLOST a good business decision"; Mrs. Haddix opposes, says PTC must make budget provisions for its own expenses

Four of Peachtree City’s five mayoral aspirants put their ideas up for public consumption in a candidate forum Saturday hosted by several groups at the Fayette County Public Library in Fayetteville.

Political newcomer Ryan Jolly took the stage with former City Councilman George Dienhart, former Mayor Harold Logsdon and incumbent Mayor Don Haddix. A fifth candidate, Vanessa Fleisch, was absent due to a prior commitment.

Dienhart positioned himself as the reform candidate, advocating the hiring of a public safety chief to oversee the fire and police departments and also for the implementation of zero based budgeting to further cut costs. Dienhart was first elected to the council in late 2011, having moved to Peachtree City four years earlier. He resigned his council post in August to run for mayor.

Jolly meanwhile said one of his largest goals is to “bring functionality back to a most dysfunctional government,” noting the biting disagreements and verbal tiffs that have happened at council meetings on more than a few occasions.

Likewise, Logsdon spoke of the need to “return civility to the mayor’s office,” renew an emphasis on ethics and rebuild relationships with the city’s neighbors.

Haddix bragged that he was able to save the city over $1 million a year in increased efficiencies and said the city needs to re-activate its former development authority to seek out small and medium size businesses that can’t be targeted by the county development authority.

One of the more important questions asked was whether the candidates supported the proposed core infrastructure Special Purpose Local Option Sales Tax that will be decided by voters in November. Haddix and Jolly opposed it, while Dienhart and Logsdon favored it.

Most of the city’s projected $14 million share from the two-year SPLOST would go towards road and cart path maintenance to plug an annual $1.5 million gap left by the exhaustion of funds from the 2004 countywide transportation SPLOST.

Jolly said the sales tax is a short-term fix for a long-term problem, saying the city should have budgeted for road and cart path repair instead of hoping for voter approval.

“We know we’re going to use it. We know it’s going to wear out,” Jolly said.

Haddix opposed the new SPLOST, saying it would cost $200 a year to the average homeowner when the city has already raised taxes and needs to “get its house in order first,” instead of issuing a new tax.

Dienhart said the new SPLOST was “a no brainer” because it would cost more to raise the millage rate or take other actions to raise the money. He added that he wanted to use the new SPLOST “as a bridge to sensible budgeting” so such a measure wouldn’t be needed in the future.

Dienhart did not explain what areas of the budget he would cut to get to the annual $1.5 million in savings necessary to accommodate road and cart path repair, but said the budget deserved a look at each line item.

Logsdon said he supports the new SPLOST in part because it is a consumption tax and also because the previous five-year SPLOST allowed for a number of transportation items to be taken care of.

“People don’t come to Peachtree City to live in a second-class environment and we’re going to have to pay for it,” Logsdon said.

The candidates were also asked how they would “solve” traffic on Ga. Highway 54 West.

Logsdon made a case for extending MacDuff Parkway, adding that it wouldn’t completely solve the problem. He noted that while a study of the area seems a bit much, it’s probably necessary.

Dienhart disagreed, saying any study should be funded by the Georgia Department of Transportation instead of the city so state taxpayers and not city ones, are footing the bill.

Jolly said a friend of his who is a road engineer suggested a bridge over the intersection that would allow the existing traffic light at Ga. highways 54 and 74 to be removed.

Haddix said the true solution lies in road improvements outside of Peachtree City, which he contends is “completely bottlenecked” on Hwy. 54 West.

Explaining his concept for the public safety chief’s position, Dienhart said he wants an out-of-town staffer brought in to help resolve issues at the police and fire department.

“The problem is we’ve been slapped with some lawsuits over the past few years, and the way to fix that is through a public safety chief,” Dienhart said, arguing that the departments need a culture change.

Candidates were also asked individual questions that others couldn’t address. During that portion of the forum:

• Logsdon was asked about his management style. He replied that he believes in giving guidance and direction but avoiding micro-managing.

• Dienhart was asked about how to use his role as a regional leader to have a positive impact. He replied that he already has an “excellent working relationship” with other regional officials and suggested he was the only mayoral candidate at the forum who has done that consistently.

• Jolly said part of having a balanced budget means funding “regular maintenance items like roads and cart paths.” He also added that he wants to get more young people involved in the city.

• Haddix said there were areas in which the city could trim costs. He also touted his role with other governments in the region, saying he was friends with the mayors of Riverdale and Union City, for example. Haddix also said he promoted the city at events hosted by the Georgia Municipal Association.

• Logsdon said he supported efforts on economic development because commercial development brings in far more revenue than industrial revenue while new residential development has a negative revenue attached to it.

• Jolly said he did not support a new traffic light on Ga. Highway 54 West to serve a gas station and restaurant which are part of a larger undeveloped shopping center.

Several questions were also asked about county government, despite the fact that the mayor won’t have any jurisdiction over county affairs to speak of, as those powers are expressly delegated to the five-member Fayette County Board of Commissioners.

The candidates were also asked about district voting for the county, another moot issue because not only is it out of their jurisdiction but the issue has mostly been settled with a ruling from a federal judge that requires the county to adopt district voting in lieu of the county’s current at-large voting procedure.

The event was co-hosted by several Fayette County groups including the local branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the local Fayette County Issues Tea Party and the Fayette County Democrat Party.

Forum marked by absenteeism of some council candidates

Several city council hopefuls in Peachtree City joined a counterpart from Tyrone in facing live questions Saturday at a candidate forum sponsored by several groups at the Fayette County Public Library in Fayetteville.

There was a certain lack of fireworks due to absentee candidates, as the only race drawing all competitors was the Post 3 seat in Peachtree City. In that race, incumbent Kim Learnard faces challenger Cathy Haddix, the wife of incumbent Mayor Don Haddix.

While Mrs. Haddix said she opposed the countywide core infrastructure Special Purpose Local Option Sales Tax, Learnard said the option will be up to voters, as she never committed to a position on the sales tax. Learnard did say “a good business case” could be made in favor of the SPLOST.

If Fayette voters shoot down the tax in November, the city will need to find another revenue source for an estimated $1.5 million a year in road and cart path maintenance.

Learnard said the SPLOST would cost the least for taxpayers based on an analysis done by Peachtree City Councilman Eric Imker.

Mrs. Haddix said the city needs to first address its own budgeting issues before taking on more spending through a new sales tax.

Mrs. Haddix argued that the city needs to reinstate its development authority to help get more businesses to come to Peachtree City. She also advocated more citizen involvement “because we have a lot of things that need to be shaken up, so to speak.”

Mrs. Haddix also said Peachtree City has been ranked as the least affordable city among other cities its size in Georgia.

Learnard said she has helped expand economic development in the city and voted for a balanced budget while restoring recreation programs including those for seniors.

At the same time, the city has cut the budget significantly over the past four years to create a sustainable budget, Learnard said, admitting that it lacked road and cart path funding.

“Every department in Peachtree City has been cut to the bone,” Learnard said. “We’ve cut so much that the potted plants in the lobby of City Hall haven’t come back.”

There are seven options that have been devised to solve the road and cart path funding issue, Learnard added.

Learnard said she has showed leadership by remaining positive and working diligently for the city, adding that she is invigorated by meeting with residents on various issues several times a week.

“I like to think of it as I have 35,000 bosses,” Learnard said.

In questions posed to individual council members, Mrs. Haddix said she didn’t think the raises approved for city council members were unreasonable, but later she clarified that she would not pursue a raise while in office.

Responding to another individual question, Learnard said one of the city’s biggest issues is a need to look at its borders to determine how to control growth.

Peachtree City Post 2 candidate Mike King was the only one of three candidates for that seat to appear at the forum, as Shayne Robinson and Austin Chanslor did not participate.

King said he won’t “massage the truth to make things look better” but wants to apply fiscally conservative principles and specifically to resist increasing city debt.

King said he also supports hiring a public safety director to oversee Peachtree City’s police and fire departments, specifically to replace both the police chief and fire chief’s positions.

As for the core infrastructure SPLOST, King argued that roads and cart paths need to be funded from the general fund budget and a SPLOST should be for special projects instead.

“A SPLOST is a crutch,” King said, noting that with a budget north of $29 million the city should be able to fund road and cart path maintenance. “We need to live up to our responsibilities, not abdicate them.”

King also said one of the city’s biggest challenges is bringing amenities to the city so young families come back to Peachtree City, citing how his three children have not come back to live here as adults.

Asked about the largest budget he has handled, King noted that in his work with the Centers for Disease Control, he worked on a pandemic influenza immunization plan that cost more than $300 million.

King also made a pitch for switching city elections to even numbered years which would save $80,000 and increase turnout because it would coincide with presidential elections every four years as well.

The race for Peachtree City Post 4 also resulted in just one candidate appearing, as Stephanie Franz was on hand and challenger Terry Ernst was absent.

Franz, a political newcomer, admitted to being a bit nervous and “green” but said she loves Peachtree City and wants her 4-year-old child to grow up here.

Franz said she wants to get more young people involved in city affairs, saying she felt the recent National Night Out event could have been better attended by families.

Asked specifically if she would approve spending city funds on a college and career academy in Fayette County, Franz said she would, in part because the county needs to attract younger people.

“Bringing a college to town would be a wonderful thing and I would vote yes,” Franz said.

Franz said the city needs to broaden the tax base by bringing in more businesses and finding a way to redevelop neighborhoods that need to be revitalized.

“You can’t have families if you don’t have businesses here to employ them,” Franz said.

Franz said she supports the core infrastructure SPLOST.

Tyrone Post 3 candidate Pota Coston was on hand, while incumbent Ken Matthews did not appear at the forum.

Coston said she wants to revitalize the downtown area, citing a current lack of reasons for residents or visitors to walk or drive their golf cart there.

Coston said the vacant Tyrone Elementary School building could be an opportunity to help the town in that regard. She also wants to see a Livable Centers Initiative plan to help create “a vibrant downtown.”

Coston also noted that the town doesn’t have a budget shortfall, but good business sense is needed in weighing taxation decisions.

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Let's just get this election over with

It's become nasty and every bit of an embarrassment to PTC as Mayor/Council has been the last few years. This has to stop or you'll have no one sane running for any elected position.

For everyone running in PTC for any position, I applaud your extremely thick skin, and yes, that includes Don Haddix. I know there is no way in hell I would subject myself and my family to this.

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Yeah mano, election over with soon. Can't wait.

3 days, just 3 stinkin' days and we have a new mayor and some new folks on council. Can't wait. I suspect most have already voted, but if not go for anybody but Haddix for mayor and King and Ernst on council. Things will improve.

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Yeah mano, election over with soon. Can't wait.

3 days, just 3 stinkin' days and we have a new mayor and some new folks on council. Can't wait. I suspect most have already voted, but if not go for anybody but Haddix for mayor and King and Ernst on council. Things will improve.

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Amen, NUk

Can you imagine what someone coming on this site for the first time must think of all of us? High school students behave better than this. Why would anyone even think of subjecting themselves to this kind of ugliness? No wonder we do not get more qualified people to run for office here. I am ashamed for them.

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Dienhart's Work History

IT people do move around a lot so I can accept that but what sticks out to me is his lack of business and accounting experience...especially for someone who claims to be a budget guru. And to be unemployed for going on six years now is rather disturbing. Don't know the man personally or any particulars about his marriage and family situation. The domestic violence allegation is just that....an allegation. I don't know the circumstances and whether or not anyone is guilty. But I've said before his temper and demeanor in council meetings has been at times less than exemplary and not an indicator of someone who can lead and bring consensus. I think PTC can do and deserves better than George Dienhart.

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Dienhart Qualifications

This reaffirms what many of us speculated - there was no information circulating about his professional life because it demonstrates yet another reason that he is not suited for this position.
Any responsible voter should be immediately suspicious of this employment pattern and that glaring gap. If there was something good to be said about it, why has he not addressed it?

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BTR

Let's go for the long shot.The BHL has an IQ. We know what Harold is about. She can't be worse. She can only be better. I have this gut feeling she can get it done.

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If The Big Hair Lady has an IQ, I haven't seen evidence of it. But I respect your decision. Hey....she cant be worse than the gnome currently holding the title of mayor. Haddit With Haddix!

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At any rate she has a strategy. Considering that in politics you're always going to say or do something that ticks some element off. If you keep quiet and don't do anything you're not very impressive BUT you let the other guys alienate segments and you become the not one of those guys candidate. .

BTW for what its worth she does have a bachelors degree.

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Haddit with Haddix

That's pretty much my viewpoint too. Dienhart impressed me some, but I'm still undecided. Fleisch seems to like raising taxes and developers a little much for me and I've already seen Logsdon in action before. Jolly? Maybe in a few years. Still, anyone but Haddix.

The discussion about why Dienhart or Haddix aren't commenting on anything is probably because they cannot(my speculation). Mike King hasn't said anything lately either. Cal probably let them all know there would be no campaigning here or in letters to the editor in the print edition. Then again, maybe they all got smart :)

Looked up the FC Court website and what I saw was Dienhart went through a divorce, then a domestic violence claim that was dismissed with prejudice, meaning that case cannot be re-filed again later. Hardly some kind of smoking gun here, people. I would like to know what he does for a living since his website never mentions it and about all he has said is that he's in the IT field, and that's it. Maybe he's a trust-fund baby, which I don't really care about, but it would be nice to know. Maybe he's a house hubby like Steve Brown. Why not just say ANY of your previous experience ever in either the private or public(besides Council) sectors whatsoever?

EDIT: No way in hell Haddix suddenly got smart at the same exact time with others and stopped blogging......has to be a Citizen thingie :) It's not in his nature to just shut up.

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Dienhart's Work Experience

I agree NUK....I would like to know what Dienhart's background is. If you run for office...that is relevant information. I think the reason he doesn't elaborate on it is because there is none to speak of. You may be right...he may be a trust fund baby. As for choices, there is no shining star in the whole lot of them. My choice of Logsdon is at least he's held the position before and I think (hope?) that he learned some things from his previous term. Yes I know The Big Hair Lady has a bachelors degree and that says something but I'm looking at her record on council. Nothing there to speak of. Regardless....Haddit With Haddix.

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Love the degree / college ed

I love it on this site that the desire for an office holder to have a college degree. Ya'll realize your current & previous Congressman were lacking such. No effete intellectual snobs in the Teabagger Repug Party.
The only ivy Westmoron ever got close to was the poison kind out at the building site. Nope, none of 'em tainted by any liberal institution. Having said all that, I think this guy is your best option.

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Lynn Westmoreland

Lynn Westmoreland is dumb as dirt. The only reason he gets re-elected is he is a white male with an R behind his name. And sadly the sheeples continue to vote these kind of people in just for that reason.

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BTR & Westmoreland

It's a tad more complicated than that--he's got all lthe big dollar supporters in the District locked up and unless someone with very deep pockets challenges, no chance. There was some rumor that he would run for Senate but that didn't prove true.

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Haddix, you only have four more

days before being forced into retirement. Many of us see that as a huge win for the citizens of PTC.

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AP, I am beginning to think you have more of a one way bromance

with the Mayor than MadMike. It is just killing you that he is not on here for you to have a one on one with him isn't it? Every day you send him a little note, hoping for a reply. Nothing hurts like unrequited love---maybe you should switch to Dinehart---oh, right, he isn't on here anymore either. Sorry.

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How long is the honeymoon?

After the 4 days is up, how long do we need to hold off before we begin the character assassination of the new mayor?

Steve

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Citizen_Steve, i give it two weeks. Look how fast they turned

on their fair-haired boy. I would poke a stick in my eye before I would even consider running for office in this town. I wonder how many of these squeaky clean bloggers attacking others could stand the perusal they give others. Easy to find fault sitting in your Barcalounger in your skivvies, sucking down the Buds or the Mogen David. Wonder how long they would last in office?

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Haddix, where are all your supporters?

Just saw your contribution report for 9/30/13.

Wow, you raised the incredible sum of $120 from your vast number of supporters!

Evidently you didn't invest that largess in signs. I still have not seen a single sign of yours in anybody's yard!

No matter anyway, we only have to endure your nonsense for 6 more days.

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Mike King, Post 2 Candidate for C ity Council

Up front, I'll tell you that I am not a PTC resident but I know this man and would vote for him if I could.
On August 13th, Terry Garlock wrote an article in the Citizen about "America's Tradition of Service" and it told of Mike King's service and bravery in Vietnam. This man has "Trust, Fidelity, Honesty, and Leadership" written all over his life's history. He could justifiably sit back and enjoy retirement but no, he is once again demonstrating his willingness to serve. You, the citizens of PTC, will be the benefactors of his frank, common-sense, experience based decisions as the Council once again functions as it should. A vote for Mike King will be a vote for progress in City Government.

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I 100% agree!

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Husband and Father of Two.

No, I certainly am not a buddy of Haddix and I proudly display a Haddit with Haddix sign in my yard!

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Spyglass, I live in Planterra and

the little stick (3/16" X 24") and the 4" X 4" pushcard certainly did not trash up my neighborhood.

Get a live already!

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If I could find a Haddix sign, lol

I'd put it right at your front door set in quick dry concrete. But... I couldn't find one.

He's not getting very good feedback on them either. His Facebook even had complaints today, lol.

He's backsliding awful fast after he bragged about his straw poll win held with all his friends in attendance.

Mr. Richter, your his buddy. Why has he stopped answering questions?

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Get a live?

So are you Dienhart? You know a lot about the trashy little signs.

It was a bunch of unwanted signs. Not classy at all. I doubt it was even legal for PTC.

And why not reply directly to my post?

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Spyglass, you know I am not Dienhart!

I have been posting using my own name for years!

Jim Richter

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Haddix, only 7 more days

before the voters turn you out to pasture!

Im sure the anticipation must be driving you crazy!

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Thanks Dienhart for trashing up my neighborhood with your signs

on a stick. You didn't make many friends, that I can assure you.

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Haddix, I'm keeping my pledge to keep the voters informed...

we only have 8 more days before we kick you to the curb!

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Harold Logsdon is back to muddy campaigning

I could not believe Harold Logsdon's post card campaign mailer.

First of all, there was very little there under the "accomplishments" heading for his term as mayor. Also, under the five bullet points he lists, he is definitely two-faced under at least two of them.

He was not the first mayor to bring higher education to the city. The previous City Council opened up the Clayton State annex under the Tennis Center years before he was in office.

And Peachtree City was NOT "twice named the 8th Best Place to Live under Mayor Logsdon." The first time was in 2005, the year before Logsdon was mayor. The city did not make the top ten again until 2010, Logsdon's last year in office.

He did add 18 firefighters, but never squared that in the budget and continually, in his words, "kicked the can down the road" running the city's financial ship aground. The current City Council has done a good job of cleaning up the mess over the last four years.

I inquired about the "1,000+ jobs" created claim and no one can verify that one either.

Voter beware.

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Dar

I have never liked dirty politics.

But I was incorrect in the post above as Peachtree City was NEVER "named the 8th Best Place to Live under Mayor Logsdon." The only two times that happened was 2005 (my last year) and 2010 (Mayor Haddix's first year). Logsdon was 2005 to 2009. Why would Logsdon make that claim on his mailers?

On Kedron Aquatics Center, what in the world are you talking about? I did not build that facility. I just had to deal with it.

Dar, if you want to pull for Harold Logsdon, go ahead. But please justify all of the misinformation on his campaign mailers and explain why a former mayor would have to stoop to such activity.

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Steve

I'm not suggesting who I will be voting for in the upcoming election.

Regarding your comment "On Kedron Aquatics Center, what in the world are you talking about? I did not build that facility. I just had to deal with it."

Your response is simply why people don't really care for politicians. Kedron was, is, and always has been a major problem. The reason you were voted in (as any politician should be) is to fix the problems of the city...not respond by saying I didn't build it. Politicians continually kick the can down the road...let the next administration deal with it.

Until someone steps up to the plate that has a clue, this will always be the case. Responsible decisions are rarely made by politicians but they are made by leaders. For many years our political perspective has been like a batter stepping up to the plate and saying, "if I don't swing, maybe I'll get a walk and then I can tell everyone, look at me , I'm on first base. We need someone to stand in the batter's box and say "go ahead, hang one and watch me knock it out of the park.

Your response is not unlike; someone has just shot a bunch of holes in the boat and it's not my job to figure how to fix the holes because I didn't create the holes. So what happens, the boat sinks.

In closing, I will have to commend you. I respect your perseverance and dedication. You keep getting knocked down (losing two elections after being our mayor) but you got right back up and continued the fight. Believe it or not I do agree with some of the policies you stand and fight for. Regardless of what I think overall, I respect the fact that you got back up and continued to put yourself out there. At the end of the day...there is something to be said for that! I respect that.

I hope that you are successful as our county commissioner simply do the fact if you are successful than we all will benefit...that is what is most important!

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Getting a walk is appropriate for Brown's commission -

especially on the Pinewood thing. They had zero to do with it, were kept in the dark by the real movers because of all the pandering about the "Road to Nowhere" and then out of the blue, they get 3 intentional walks and are on first, second and third base when David Ortiz/Jim Pace hits a base-clearing double and they all get their picture taken crossing home plate.

This is more evidence that if you want to do something or solve a problem i.e swing at the ball - look to the private sector. Government is not usually helpful.

That being said, George, Mike and Terry will probably sit down with some local business people at Mimi's for breakfast and solve the Kedron pool problem. Either that or they will kick the can down the road and it will just suck up more money and eventually close and filled in for a parking lot.

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I never liked dirty politics?

Says the Ric Flair of Fayette County politicos.
(The dirtiest player in the game)

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Ric Flair? I like it! Wait until district voting in 2 years

He be running in a PTC district against some people like Smith and Jolly and Haddix and dare I even say it - the loser of the Logsdon/Deinhart runoff. I hope Stephanie loses this time as well so she can go up against Brown/Flair and the others next time and we can see him trashing a hot chick, IMHO.

Actually, I think he is afraid to run in a PTC district with good reason and he will try to claw his way up the ladder to replace Ramsey or Westmoreland. Might work if he had Ric Flair Hair.

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WHOOOOOOOO!

To be the man, you have to beat the man!-Ric Flair

Steve is still upset by the huge lopsided margin that Logsdon beat him by. It was likely a record margin of utter defeat that was well deserved that even Matt Ramsey couldn't top later when he snuffed-out Brown also. Regardless of how Logsdon did as Mayor(I thought rather bleh), I sense a whole lot of personal from the guy who at the time was against TDK, then for TDK, then against and also had his nasty letter published about what backwood bigots anyone opposed to district voting is.

I won't even go into the Westside Annexation flopping or the WFB/EFB. A man of principle!

Now entering the ring from Peachtree City, Georgia....... The Chameleon, Steve Brown!

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Really Steve

Why are you even on here. You are an elected official...start acting like one and stay out of political races that don't pertain to you.

You along with others (city council) allowed an aquatic center to lose $700,000 a year of the tax-payers money...year after year after year. Since you were mayor of PTC, up until now, the number exceeds over 8 million dollars of tax-payers money just gone right down the drain. It's easy to justify if it's a loss- leader but it is not...trust me, not one person has moved to PTC because we have a bubble.

This is just the "tip of the iceberg". Just work hard and be the best county commissioner you can be and stay away of a election that doesn't pertain to you.

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Mr. Thompson - Mr. Brown

I am not in anyway endorsing Mr. Brown's claims or comments but I do believe he lives in PTC. So, the election does pertain to him.

As you know, I have called for you to run for office, you seem really frustrated with all this. Why don't you run? This city needs all the experienced help it can get.

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Dar, please just try and

Dar, please just try and be the best gym rat you can and stay away from our swimming pool. It's clean; hygenic and passes County Health inspections. Thank you !

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Haddix, the clock is ticking and

you only have 10 days left to pack your belongings.

Do the citizens of PTC a big favor and pack early!

Have a safe trip.

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Bob Ross messing with Tyrone politics?

I hope it isn't true that he is making calls for a card NAACP candidate. That is fine if he wants to do it in PTC where he lives. Why is he messing with Tyrone? Isn't he a big guy in the Tea Party? Are we to be a sacrifice or something?

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HADDIX ON CBS "EYE ON YOUR MONEY"

Remember this video? MAYOR HADDIX says YOUR Taxpayer Money was "Well Spent" when YOU paid $10,000 to defend his personal libel suit. He refused to pay the taxpayers of Peachtree City Back!

Go to the home page of www.ptcpride.org home page to watch! Personally I want my money back!

How many more days?

Haddit with Haddix

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Has anyone seen Nemo...

Haddix?

We only have 11 more days before the election and whoever finds him wins a prize ... a full year without having to hear him say "we need a strategic plan."

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Gone under/ Haddix No degree exposed on blog by Hizhonor

He has gone under but he updated his blog on education. He has no college degree as I thought the following I copied from the blog

Attended 2 years at University of Maryland studying Civil Engineering and Business, with some law courses mixed in. Unable to finish due to family emergency that force me to move back to Indiana.

Most military know the Univ of Maryland back in the 60-70 time frame allowed military members to get their degree by correspondence course. I am not claiming that Donnie boy did this just saying He never got a degree so no he is not qualified to run this city

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The prez, UMD & Correspondence courses

I was on active duty 59-80 and never heard of those UMD correspondence courses. I did, however, attend UMD classes in Augsburg,Berlin,& Heidelberg,eventually graduating from the European Div of UMD in 1984 while there as a DOD civilian.

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UMD- AtHome

It was todays equilavant to online courses, maybe not available to all. I was in the USAF, senistive job at the time TS clearance. Dressed not in uniform but as hippies. Confined to quarters when not on our mission and rotated frequently. While doing this work never stayed in one place more than 90 days, This may be a reason we could take courses by correspondence. At the time I had enough credit for an associates and was just taking courses because they were cheap and it helped with the boredom on the long period between missions. I eventually finished but have yet to use or need the degree.

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What's that old saying? "Damned if you do, damned if you don't?

So now we know the mayor does not have a Bachelors, Masters, or Ph.D. Are we going to take him out to the center of town and flog him? In all the years I worked in the academic arena I found that some of the most 'educated' people had the least common sense. I am not saying yea or nay where the mayor is concerned, just that I am so weary of the nitpicking from some in the peanut gallery here. I have to wonder just how many of you have all those prestigeous titles before or after your names. From some of your posts, if you have them they have not served you well. I think it is time to act like the adults we are all supposed to be. Stick to the issues, the good Lord knows there are enough of them, and stop the nitpicking....he posts, he shouldn't, he isn't posting, he has a college education, he doesn't have a college education, he dyes his hair, he doesn't dye his hair, he has Wheaties for breakfast, he has oatmeal for breakfast. Good Lord, grow up.

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Wheaties ? Really?

Education just keeps popping into the picture, and with the mans actions I was wondering if he had any education at all. He uses no common sense, yes someone, a good legal eye I would suppose finally convinced him to quit this blog. In my mind I was wondering was he one of theses guys that had all the book sense the world has to offer so therefore he missed the train when it came to common sense. OK putting my soap box away, going to do my job at the ballot box tommorow

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Not qualified for sure, but its not the lack of a degree

Not having a college degree or even not owning a house as some have suggested is not sufficient reason to disqualify someone from being mayor or council or even county commission anymore that someone's race or religion would. Those are individual prejudices that certainly exist privately (usually) in one's mind, but are not true disqualifiers.

It is always good to require candidates be a certain age and residents of the city for some period of time, but that's about it. Also if people have been convicted of a felony - like diverting funds for personal use or something like that, that should keep them from consideration. And of course if a candidate is already in the elected position and is woefully inept and exhibits signs of mental and social deficiencies, but no signs whatsoever of leadership or basic maturity, then that person should not be reelelected for the very best of reasons - specifically that he is unfit for the job. That's what we are really dealing with here.

Two Tuesday's and a wakeup. Wow!

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Morgan absolutely correct

It was late, I was tired. Did not take the time to do a decent post. Thats why I have not thrown my hat in the ring. Education is important but common sense more so. I want someone that knows something about finance and accounting, someone that makes mistakes, learns from them and can own up to them. I want a mayor with a personality that is warm and friendly and can get along and reason with most folks. That person must also realize that my way or the highway is a dead end street, you may not agree with the majority, but open your mind and give it a try. We do not need an Obama type dictator and liar in the office of mayor. We have had four years of this and do not need anymore. As far as age we agree, someone who has been around the block a few times and has attended the school of hard knocks. Property owner? I think a being property owner vs renter would help because he has a stake in the outcome of his or her city. Arrest record is important, but like in my case 21 years old in 1968, headed to Viet Nam got caught with a joint in Texas. It was a felony. It is gone now but I always own up because you never know when it will bite you in the butt. Sex crimes, domestic violence, mental illness we have no place in government for this. Thank you for all of your postings and hopefully in a few days we will clean house and keep it clean!

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Sorry about your felony, old timer. I did much worse on my way

to the arm pit of the world, but a year before you and I was only 19.
For some reason that made sense at the time, we decided to divert from our NYC to SF driving route (we had 30 days and 5 of us were in a 1966 Chevy) and went to New Orleans during Mardi Gras. The booze, the beads, the bimbos all made perfect sense and no trouble there. We did wake up the next day near a wearhouse where they were putting away the giant puppets. Yes, you guessed it - we decided to recreate the parade by taking the puppets and go down the street. 5 of us, none sober yet or later.

Fortunately we were followed by many others doing the same thing so we spent the night in jail and released the next morning - playing the soldier on the way to Vietnam card was easy in those days.
You would think that after that we would be on the straight and narrow to SF and we were until we decided to do another side trip and have a Death Valley relay race. Not terribly hot in February, so we got an extra rental car, put out runners and fueled them with Tequila and had some sort of race in the desert. Remember parts of it, but we were pretty irresponsible, for sure. Busted again and released again after we showed them our uniforms and orders.

Showed up in time for our SF to Vietnam trip. All made it back safely somehow and 3 of us still get together once in a while.

Sometimes I get cranky about the maturity or focus of the younger generations and then I remember back then in the late 1960's and just forget about it. Of course none of us were running for political office then or now, but I must point out that all 5 of us were then or became later college graduates.

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RWM-no harm

Unlike kids today we practiced good clean fun. We did not steal, rob, stab or shoot people to support our lifestyle. We had fun, broke the law but had respect for law enforcement and our elders. Miss the good old days

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Agree RWM

While having a degree is better than not having a degree its not a deal breaker. There are plenty of successful business folk who don't have a degree for one reason or another. Good common sense and street smarts is just as important. And I'm not one of those who subscribes to the theory that running a successful business means you will be a successful mayor or council person. I do think the financial background one gains from running a business can be an asset but business and government are two entirely different entities and serve two different functions. The problem with Donnie Darko is he is a megalomaniac who has this false sense of self worth and intelligence. Politics is consensus building and yes sometimes compromising to achieve a goal that benefits all citizens. Something he has failed at miserly. And I hate to say it but Imker to a large degree and George to a certain degree suffer from the same thing. My way or the highway ain't no way to run a city. imho

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Rwm

i still prefer someone with skin in the game. Someone who if in office and makes a crappy decisions, is affected the same as me. Right or wrong, who knows, but its another form of checks and balances.

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Well husband, Haddix owns a home

How's that working out? To paraphrase William F. Buckley, we would be better off picking our mayor at random from the first few pages of the phone book - which contains both renters and homeowners.

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Where's Waldo?

He's out developing a new survey for a new "plan."

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Haddix response

I think he finally realizes that this blog and his other meaningless krap he and Pumpkin have been spewing has gotten them in a whole that they cannot get out of. He may, for once in his political career, taken the advice of council and shut his flapping jaws before he is once again sued. The suit part, trying to avoid it that is, is probably too late. Me I am glad he is gone
Haddit w Haddix

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Where is Haddix? He hasn't responded for two days ... no matter

anyway. He only has 12 more days until the voters give him his walking papers!

Can we say hooray boys and girls?

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Cal may have shut him down

After all he was the only candidate mouthing off on here and Cal may have felt uncomfortable giving him the extra exposure. Either that or someone just flipped on da mayor's common sense switch, the one that was rusted shut for several years.

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Who did Cal shut down now?

Let's think back, now shall we? Who did Cal shut down now? I know you can pull that out of your memory somehow. Somewhere in there is information of who Cal shut down, isn't there? You can say it. Go ahead, whisper to the crowd, you will feel so much better getting out in the open here. How about you talk about flipped switches some more..you know, go ahead. Everyone is wants to hear about it. Just everyone.

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Waaaaat?

What you talking about?

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HOORAY!

I think Haddix is busy trying to find a yard to put up a sign and not getting any takers.

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I for one am going to miss his ramblings...

Hopefully he will continue to bless us with his brilliance on this blog, as one of the minions of PTC of course.

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One Question

If elected, will Harold give us back our $10K?

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Harold

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice .......

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Haddix - only 13 more days

until the voters have their say! But, I suspect you already know your role as Mayor is about to come to a crashing halt!

I drove though several PTC areas yesterday and today and I did not see one Haddix sign, but I saw a lot of Haddit With Haddix signs!

Where are all the supporters you claim to have?

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American patriot

I would pay to see the expression on your face when you walk out to get the morning paper and see a Haddix sign posted in your front yard.

Have a nice day.

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Husband & Father

Does he even have any signs? I have only seen one sign across from Starbucks on Hwy 54. What a huge outpouring of support!

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Just messing with you

He's not even relevant

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Signs

madmike posted on 10-18 that he did not see any signs in Dover Square too. However, I saw the Haddix signs in my Dad's yard before then. hmmmmm.....maybe I should get a "Haddit With Haddix" sign for his yard when I go visit. :-)

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theprez / thedope

:) that's about all I can give to your comment.

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Thank You

Your vocabulary is expanding. I am impressed. Be prepared for a very large voter turn out and Pumpkin and Dandy Donnie will make local election history, lowest number of votes for a city council candidate and a mayoral candidate.
Haddit with Haddix
(used without permission sorry Mike)

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Morgan was out last week promoting his under 200 votes idea

At Bradshaw's house and days later at Y'Knots, he is convinced that the city will turn out (or not) and give fewer than 200 votes to our slug mayor. Hope that happens, but who knows. The dip did get elected once and he might get so again. Exhibit A - Obama.

I think electing Vanessa is a good idea.
Morgan wants George, but would settle for Logsdon.

So, vote for whomever you want. Let's go along with the original premise however - no votes for the troll.

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Pumpkin

I have had enough of your calling people fools, have you and Donnie boy considered who is foolish and who is not. Your boy is a confirmed liar and you are such a suck up. When Donnie boy leaves office after the election what are you going to do. Find another politician to suck up to like a rock n roll groupie. Get a life heffer

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Dienhart Meet and Greet

Please join me for a candidate meet and greet on Saturday, October 26th at 2:00 p.m. It will be at 501 Tuxedo Lane, Peachtree City. I look forward to meeting you all!

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Can't make it Sat

Need a bit more notice. But have some serious questions.

When you ran for Council, you didn't have any competition, so there was really no vetting that went on. Even though we're a small town, the Mayoral responsibilities are important because the mayor represents us in front of the county, state, country, and the world as we vie for smart growth and problem solving from past mistakes.

1. Even before you took the oath of office you created a stir by becoming Gandhi between Mr. Haddix and Mr. Imker. What did you learn from this episode?

2. Besides the current Mayor, you were second on the amount of time talking to the paper and on the blogs. Some of the more conservative in the community don't think it's a positive approach to take. Do you plan to tone this down?

3. Many believe you have cozied up to the county chairman and the Tea Party. Will you be looking out for PTC, or do you have higher goals such as commissioner? Will the Tea/Republican Party be endorcing you for mayor?

4. You failed to list a home address on your web page. Do you own a home or rent? Are there records that show you have paid homeowners taxes to PTC or the county? If you rent, the homeowner pays the taxes. Wouldn't any conversation about taxes be somewhat meaningless to someone already under a lease agreement?

5. You are championing a public safety officer in lieu of a police and fire chief under the thought that we need to clean house, save money on lawsuits, save on salaries, and to be more prepared in homeland security. However, we have an interim fire chief doing an outstanding job and a police department that is top notch. Yet we haven't seen any proof that a public safety officer can perform any better. Please name cities of similar size and makeup with this setup so we can examine for ourselves.

6. There were two arrests in PTC this year with a person with a similar last name. Is this person related to you in any way, and if so, does this account for your apparent need to change the department?

7. I don't believe that we should count on splost money to fund our cart paths. It is my belief that we need to pay our fair share to keep up with this emenity most of us use and enjoy. An extra $150 bucks a year is worth it to my family. What will you do to budget for this next year should the splost fail? Also, what are your thoughts with the linking of our paths to the county and Senoia?

8. Besides your involvement with the Marine Corps and the Republican Party, are you or were you a member if any local civic group, scout troop, or baseball league?

9. Some like myself think the job of the PTC mayor is best suited for a retired business professional. Can you share with us your current job and if the mayoral duties would negatively affect your job?

10. What type of businesses do you plan to recruit to fill in at the industrial park? What do you bring to the table in this recruitment? And will you be pushing for anything just to pad your résumé?

11. Youth sports and rec activities are important to young families looking to lay down roots. What is your plan for strengthening our programs while also making this a good destination for seniors?

12. If you win, will you be championing any personnel changes at city hall?

13. Tell us about your educational background and financial experience with budgets besides your 2 years on council.

14. What was your biggest weakness while in office as councilman?

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George, George, Georgie Geeoorrggee

Since I can't make the Saturday afternoon Tea with you and AllStar, I was wondering when we can expect answers to my questions and those kind people who added onto my post.

GGoorrggiiee, where are you?

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Underground George

Wouldn't hold my breath, HFo2. George apparently is the frontrunner and good political strategy is to go silent with just a couple of weeks before the election. Better to not take a stand on anything that smells controversial at this point rather than risk losing votes. But it does cause concern that there are a lot of unanswered questions about George. I'm not sure he really is the budget guru he portrays himself to be. But more importantly I still have concerns about his temper and demeanor which could be a problem with building consensus among council. Lord knows we don't need another divisive wedge sitting in the mayor's chair. But I'm afraid that's what we are going to get.

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BTR - George

Based on the initial list, I WAS leaning his way. But I started doing homework. The guy doesn't appear to own a home in PTC or Fayette County. Yet we allow him to vote on policy and expenditures?

He wants to change Police and Fire, but why? A grudge?

He's a nice personable guy, but he slid into office when he had no competition and his chest thumping reminds me of another former mayor a few years back.

I think he needs to address these issues publicly, not at a polite tea sipping event someone is sponsoring for him.

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Evidently the mayor has finally made a smart move and is not

responding to the bloggers on this site--now they have all moved on to Dienhart---who suddenly is not answering either! Will be interesting to see how all this turns out. Hope all the people on this site with all the answers put their actions where their mouths are now and either seek office or work to improve those things they think are wrong. It's easy to pontificate when you don't have to follow it up with action. Time will tell.

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Husband and Father of 2 wrote:

Based on the initial list, I WAS leaning his way. But I started doing homework. The guy doesn't appear to own a home in PTC or Fayette County. Yet we allow him to vote on policy and expenditures?

So....only if you're a landowner you're allowed to vote on policy and expenditures? Is this the Jim Crow era suddenly?

I have no idea whether he rents or owns and don't really care as I don't think that is much criteria for being an elected official here or anywhere else. He's running for Mayor....sort of doubt he's leaving PTC anytime soon.

Quote:

He wants to change Police and Fire, but why? A grudge?

He posted here a pretty lengthy response here on that very issue already. Search for it, or ask him directly.

I think he needs to address these issues publicly, not at a polite tea sipping event someone is sponsoring for him.[/quote]

Why would any politician wade into a snake-pit to get into long arguments with random and anonymous people and think that it's a "good idea?" Sure, drop on by and post some bullet points, but this isn't the place to have serious debate over a lot of issues, especially when you're doing well and don't need the constant aggravation of responding to trolls or 24/7 whiners.

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Sorry, I didn't read the rule book

I admit I was wrong in the way I worded the sentence allowing him to vote on policy and expenditures. What I should have said is that I feel that the highest ranking official should have some skin in the game (home ownership) when it comes to votes that if unsuccessful would affect his home value like mine. And renting a house does make it easier to leave vs. owning.

I know you don't like the present police chief. I respect your opinion, and I agree, that he has made mistakes. But some, could have been handled better if HR/Chief/City Manager communicated better. The fact is, in my opinion, the police do an outstanding job keeping PTC safe. I have read George's proposal, and it lacks too much information, such as providing a success story from a city with similar size. Show me the facts that it will save us from lawsuits and money. He made this one of his strongest platforms. Now prove to us it will work.

I admit I didn't read the rule book, so please show me where questions have to be softballs? We're talking about 4 years of someone leading our city. I don't want to make the same mistake I did four yrs ago. George is extremely active on this blog until I asked some important questions. I don't believe any of them were out of line. Others have added to my list regarding his behavior at the Republican Party meeting. If he gets so passionate about something that he can't control bad behavior than I want to know about it. A marine, heck, a man, should be able to keep a cool head and not do or say something stupid. The person who wins will be representing PTC, I expect nothing less than good behavior.

If George chooses not to respond, that's his choice, but if he wants my vote, he will be transparent like his fellow Tea Party
Members.

Not getting a good signal out here in the woods. Camping tonight with the scouts, but will be up early and back to coach in the morning, before returning to the woods. Hope George has a change of heart.

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H& F like Q 3, 7, and 11 and adding 15

Q 3 is important. Ask George about the "gold team" and their behavior at the Fayette republican convention. I understand there are deep issues between the republican factions but it was third world and petty with much score settling. George was wearing one of the gold team shirts. We already have a circus, if this is his idea of the way things work...

Extra credit question: Who else was on the gold team ( wearing the shirt counts ) that we all know well? Some of you blog here so feel free to help George. I really don't have an issue with any of you but I am tired of the factions and the nonsense as we have issues everywhere.

Q 7 Really not a bad idea at all. If you or your family plan to spend more than $15,000 in PTC on SPLOST eligible purchases, this would be better than a SPLOST.

Q 11 BINGO! This is exactly why I am a solid no on Vanessa. Her big coming out letter had more tournaments as her tent pole idea. About two years ago the city changed the use agreement for BSC to allow the city to tell our city rec leagues (also known as tax paying citizens) to change their schedules to allow a promoter to put on a tournment on days of their choice. I thought we more special than East Cobb. Full disclosure my son plays PTC Little league baseball and PTC Chiefs football.

Q 15 - What, other than more study, are your proposals to address 54 traffic issues into Coweta?

Take Care,

Neil

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Husband & Father - Great questions for Deinhart

It will be interesting to see if he responds this time, or has Allstar post the standard "Why don't you just call him to ask your questions?"

His answers to questions 6 and 8 will be particularly telling - his willingness to sacrifice the good of the football team in favor of the wants of a player with a similar last name could shed some light on his motivation for wanting changes at the PD.

I'd love to get a few examples of cities of similar size that have successfully implemented his public safety director proposal -- emphasis on "similar size (to Peachtree City)" and "successfully."

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Sign

Someone, maybe a neighbor put a 4x4 inch sign in my yard so it look like I will be supporting you for mayor. Don't let me down or I may make you move in with Pumpkin and Donnie boy. Lol

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Sign

Someone, maybe a neighbor put a 4x4 inch sign in my yard so it look like I will be supporting you for mayor. Don't let me down or I may make you move in with Pumpkin and Donnie boy. Lol
Sorry about dup. I had a brain fart more commonly know as Pumpkin

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The prez - lit drop.

Well, its not intended to be a sign and will probably dissolve in the first rain. It's just an economical way to distribute a post card. I do appreciate your vote though, and if you want a real sign you can request one through the website. Thanks!

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Dienhart: Littering, Trespassing, and Not Proofreading

Not a sign, George?
It's not "a notice, bearing a name, direction, warning, or advertisement, that is displayed or posted for public view" (dictionary.com).
Worse, none of us asked for you to litter these things in our yards. How can you say with a straight face that it will dissolve in the next rain? It's a laminated card - if it dissolves in the rain at all it will be after months of laying there littering our streets or yards. Whose job is it to clean this garbage up? Public Works? Code Enforcement? You? How much does this cost the taxpayers? Was it worth it for you to litter the yards of hundreds of residents the day before Halloween in a shameless attempt to get a little extra publicity with trick-or-treaters that see this as they walk around the yards of people who haven't disposed of them? By the way, who gave you permission to come onto private property to do this?

The content makes this even more of a ridiculous tale. EVERYONE READ THIS AND SEE WHAT YOUR POTENTIAL MAYOR PUTS OUT WITH HIS NAME ON IT.
1. On the front it says "George Dienhart for MAYOR MAYOR"... What's a Mayor Mayor?
2. On the back he states that he opposes the traffic light at 74 and Line Creek: What??? 74 and Line Creek don't even intersect! Glad to see you're so clear on the issues!
3. He writes "Line Creek "dr"... don't bother to capitalize the Dr or put a period after it.
4. Leaves an "s" off the end of "department" when used as a plural.
5. No comma after "Additionally".
Moving on from objective grammatical errors:
6. Says that "we" will relegate petty squabbles and lawsuits of previous mayors... Interesting comment coming from a guy with an open defamation law suit.
7. Says that he will also move police patrols: I guess being "Mayor Mayor" makes him Police Chief also, and allows him to dictate day-to-day operational decisions of the Police Department.

If the other people receiving these "post cards" are anything like me, then this was an excellent campaign move... for somebody besides George Dienhart.

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Dienhart is far from done

Mr. Dienhart is running a good, clean race. He is not distributing postcards with false information like Mr. Logsdon (the "civility" candidate who sued the current mayor over a comment in an email, costing the taxpayers).

The comment below about Mr. Dienhart being a whining Marine (Hutch866) was uncalled for. He's raising four good looking kids, who show their support for their Dad, all on his own. He has also brought Fayette and Coweta Marine Corps veterans together after their service to our country.

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