Volunteers raise the roof (and walls)

Volunteers raise the roof (and walls)

It was an old-style volunteer barn-raising Saturday at the new home of the Pregnancy Resource Center of Fayette County located on Ga. Highway 54 in Fayetteville across from Pies-On Pizza. The construction of the 6,000 square-foot center that will provide a variety of services to new moms is in conjunction with the ongoing community efforts of Square Foot Ministry. Photo/Ben Nelms.

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As A Christian Predator And An Extremist I Would Like To Confess

As a defined by another another poster on this blog I now understand myself to be a "Christian predator", a "Christian terrorist" and a "Christian extremist". Ordinarily I would take offense to this but considering the source I will respect this person's interpretation in spite of how hateful and fanatical his views may appear to the average person.

So by definition and guilt by association, be it hereby known that Git Real and his lovely bride are Christian terrorists who have in the past and currently support Christian Predator Centers by virtue of cash donations, clothing, and occasionally our time. My wife, being one of those reprehensible and caring predator center volunteers has aided via counseling and organizational efforts the persuading of women in efforts to urge them to not kill their babies which runs counter to the Pro Choice / Pro Death line of thinking and culture that this particular thoughtful pro-death poster embraces.

Furthermore, Git Real's family is partially staffed as a result of the coordinated terroristic practices employed by extremists who volunteer at a Christian Predator Center where they are proudly raising a beautiful young lady who lives under the Pro Choice classification of being a 'Failed Abortion'.

In addition the Git Real family associates with many, many other families or Christian terrorist cells that fanatically believe that an unborn child deserves to live outside its mothers womb and should be protected from the practices of death and dismemberment.

And to the further dismay of those virtuous baby killers it may come as a shock that all donations given by the Git Real family and other Christian terrorist supporters is done so as a tax deductible expense credited against our tax liabilities.

In addition we were able to take joy in the fact that some close friends who are also known Christian predator extremists were able to vacation in North Carolina this past weekend as their 'failed abortion child' and her adoptive parents were able to meet the woman who 15 years ago was victimized by the efforts of a Christian extremist group. Yes, the same Christian predators who counseled this young lady into giving her unborn child life. As a result and to the dismay of those that embrace the baby killer culture, a wonderful reunion was had by all and the pictures speak for themselves.

So via guilt by association and by my own confession; May it be known that I and my family whole heartedly embrace the loving, caring and thoughtful tactics employed by the Pro Life Christian Predator Centers that rob the abortion industry proponents of their goal of killing unborn babies that they deem as "unwanted".

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Well said...

Thanks for a great post!

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ah, my old sparring partner Git Real! I should've realized that an old-school unapologetic anti-abortion zealot such as yourself would take pride in associating with this local predator's nest!!

Just to make myself very clear up front: I recognize that this "PRC" does do SOME good in the community (the free cribs, diapers, etc)....and I don't begrudge them their tax-exempt status as a legitimate charity.

Where I've got issues, and I'm hoping you and/or your blushing bride can help a brotha out here, is to confirm or deny some of the sleazier and disreputable aspects of these places!

I'd like to know what goes on when a scared dumb teenager goes into this place and says she might be preggo.

Do they do the hard sell immediately? Give her the "free pregnancy test" but make her view the infamous "Killing Your Babby" (sic) video as a condition of learning the results?

Do these counselors change the subject if she asks about the "morning after pill"?

If she asks about abortion do they do the "two-on-one" drill to attempt to talk her out of it?

Are there ANY qualified medical personnel in the building? Does the manager wear a badge that says "Nurse Manager" even though she's not a nurse? What's the purpose of the ultrasound? Do the counselors still spread the lie about "abortion increases the risk of breast cancer"?

These pregnancy resource centers have developed a very tawdry image over the years. Maybe the one here in Fayette is different....why not share your insights on the techniques used by this place.

Who knows...maybe you'll change my mind!

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Simply put, your comments are what you want to believe and regardless of who responds or what is said here or offered up in good faith, you will refuse to change your mind or heart accordingly regardless if your statements are exposed as erroneous.

Hey dude, a mutual acquaintance of ours claims she has known you for years and that you are no more than an overgrown, bitter, nasty, hateful and obnoxious windbag. Personally...I like to try to see the good in most all people. But you sure make that difficult. But I digress....

A suggestion for ya. Why don't you take the time to go down to the local center and meet some of the gracious and fine people that volunteer there? Sit down and in a more respectful manner inquire first hand as to how these fine ladies counsel these "scared dumb preggo teenagers"?

Have you ever considered that these "scared dumb teenagers" as you would prefer to call them, might already know their options and by virtue their own free will they are seeking out Pregnancy Resource Centers for alternatives to abortion? These young ladies aren't near as dumb as you might portray them out to be regarding this issue.

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These pregnancy resource centers have developed a very tawdry image over the years

Hmmmm..... I firmly believe most middle of the road and practical Americans view pregnancy resource centers in a favorable light. All except for a few old-school unapologetic pro-baby killer zealots such as yourself.

As far as me being able to tell you what the counselors discuss with these young ladies it is not meant for me to go there. So I'll respectfully defer those answers to those that do the actual counseling or have first hand knowledge of how they present alternatives to abortion. Now twist that reasoning as you may. All I know is that some of them choose to give their child life which pleases me greatly. And some of them choose death for their child which pleases you greatly. And many of the councelors are those that have personally had abortions and were run through your sacred baby killing mills under great pressure from men such as yourself. They are the ones living with the scars and respectfully.... I'll not speculate as to how these ladies mentor and councel these typically young ladies.

I do also know that many of the girls who were pressured into killing their babies often times come back to the center for post-abortion counseling and comfort after they struggle with the consequences of choosing to or being coerced into aborting.

Well...anyways dude, after sitting back and observing you and your kind on here and around the country in recent times, it has become clear as to why the American people's eyes are being jolted wide open and you bitter, hateful, and miserable Dem libruls, along with your twisted ways of viewing the world are losing and are going to take a real arse whooping in the polls in a few weeks. Funny...isn't it. I look forward to watching your type and the predictable gnashing-of-the-teeth that is sure to follow.

Hey, In closing tell me something. According to your supposed logic and all. If you had an adopted daughter whose life was saved from certain death from the clutches of some old-school unapologetic pro-baby killer zealots such as yourself; How would you sell her on the concept of abortion in order to justify your acceptance of ripping apart an unborn baby's body in order to get rid of it's "unwanted life" as you would put it?

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Git Real wrote:

Simply put, your comments are what you want to believe and regardless of who responds or what is said here or offered up in good faith, you will refuse to change your mind or heart accordingly regardless if your statements are exposed as erroneous.

Dear God, I have missed you, Git! oofu and hutch are fun to banter with, but nobody, and I mean nobody, puts words in my mouth and tells me what I "really" believe better than you!

♬♬♬ Noooobody does it better!..... ♬♬

Git Real wrote:

Hey dude, a mutual acquaintance of ours claims she has known you for years and that you are no more than an overgrown, bitter, nasty, hateful and obnoxious windbag. Personally...I like to try to see the good in most all people. But you sure make that difficult. But I digress....

Tell Mrs. Smola I said "hi" the next time you see her!

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A suggestion for ya. Why don't you take the time to go down to the local center and meet some of the gracious and fine people that volunteer there? Sit down and in a more respectful manner inquire first hand as to how these fine ladies counsel these "scared dumb preggo teenagers"?

Well, that's an admirable suggestion insofar as it goes. There's just one small problem here: these "counselors" have more than a little bit of a credibility problem (see my "say anything/do anything in Jesus' name" comment above). You're asking me to take the word of these "counselors" at face value, despite a long history of problems with truthiness.

That's why I was so excited when you admitted that you had actually volunteered at this place. While I would have a hard time accepting the word of these counselors, I would accept your word. You may be a hate-filled Christian extremist with some beyond-far-right ideas, but you've never lied to me.

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Have you ever considered that these "scared dumb teenagers" as you would prefer to call them, might already know their options and by virtue their own free will they are seeking out Pregnancy Resource Centers for alternatives to abortion? These young ladies aren't near as dumb as you might portray them out to be regarding this issue.

Why yes, yes I have considered that. And yes, I do believe that a certain percentage of PRC victims....err, clients... come to these cesspools of Christian iniquity knowing the true mission of these places. I also believe that these girls are a distinct minority....so until you and I get some hard data on the center's clientele, I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree.

Until the Citizen screwed up the archive index two months ago, you could find a little puff piece on this center's mission. They clearly stated that there mission was primarily one of promoting abstinence (odd for a "pregnancy resource center", don't you think? A bit of closing the barn door once the horse has gone...but I digress). Most importantly in this article, they stated that their typical client was an undereducated woman from a lower socioeconomic background. If I get some time today, I'll see if I can find this revealing press release via Google search.

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Hmmmm..... I firmly believe most middle of the road and practical Americans view pregnancy resource centers in a favorable light. All except for a few old-school unapologetic pro-baby killer zealots such as yourself.

God forbid I deny you the right to your firmly held beliefs....regardless of how grounded in reality they may or may not be!!

Git Real wrote:

As far as me being able to tell you what the counselors discuss with these young ladies it is not meant for me to go there. So I'll respectfully defer those answers to those that do the actual counseling or have first hand knowledge of how they present alternatives to abortion. Now twist that reasoning as you may. All I know is that some of them choose to give their child life which pleases me greatly. And some of them choose death for their child which pleases you greatly.

I am pleased that, as of today, a woman in America has a choice as to whether or not she wishes to terminate a pregnancy, and is not bound by the legislative dictates of any religious faction.

Git Real wrote:

And many of the councelors are those that have personally had abortions and were run through your sacred baby killing mills under great pressure from men such as yourself. They are the ones living with the scars and respectfully....

Ahhhhhh...NOW we're getting somewhere!! I had suspected that some of these "counselors" were motivated by a sense of "guilt". The old Denise Connors adage applies: "Do as I say, not as I did!"

Git Real wrote:

I'll not speculate as to how these ladies mentor and councel these typically young ladies.

Well, I'll speculate: I suspect that the key concept would be "say anything/do anything to prevent an abortion"

Git Real wrote:

I do also know that many of the girls who were pressured into killing their babies often times come back to the center for post-abortion counseling and comfort after they struggle with the consequences of choosing to or being coerced into aborting.

There is no doubt that a small minority of women feel guilt after having an abortion. The majority of women, however, said their primary feeling was "relief".

Git Real wrote:

Well...anyways dude, after sitting back and observing you and your kind on here and around the country in recent times, it has become clear as to why the American people's eyes are being jolted wide open and you bitter, hateful, and miserable Dem libruls, along with your twisted ways of viewing the world are losing and are going to take a real arse whooping in the polls in a few weeks. Funny...isn't it. I look forward to watching your type and the predictable gnashing-of-the-teeth that is sure to follow.

Well, that's one way of looking at things. Personally, I think things are a bit simpler: There is a certain demographic of which you are a part of (white, over 50, with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement) that pays lip service to the Constitution but has had an absolute hissy fit for the past two years because America elected a Democrat.

Git Real wrote:

Hey, In closing tell me something. According to your supposed logic and all. If you had an adopted daughter whose life was saved from certain death from the clutches of some old-school unapologetic pro-baby killer zealots such as yourself; How would you sell her on the concept of abortion in order to justify your acceptance of ripping apart an unborn baby's body in order to get rid of it's "unwanted life" as you would put it?

We've gone over this ground before. I'm not going to convince you of the superiority of my position vis-a-vis abortion and you're not going to convince me.

I'm more interested in finding out how Christians at this center can rationalize their sin of bearing false witness in order to "save babbies".

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Ol' Bacon said...Dear God, I have missed you, Git! oofu and hutch are fun to banter with, but nobody, and I mean nobody, puts words in my mouth and tells me what I "really" believe better than you!" Funny you should say that, it's the same thing you did a couple times to me yesterday. Some of that old do as I say not as I do stuff it seems. How very Denise of you.

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Gifts and Alternatives

I have refrained from posting any comments here because I knew that anything I might say would be attacked. I posted under another very innocent piece and was attacked for the most innocent comment anywhere. I decided that my post under that piece would do nothing but detract from the very worthwhile community tradition described in the piece.

After reading the comments here, I have decided that nothing I might say would cause any more harm than what has already been done.

When I was 20 years old, the doctors told me that I would require surgery in order to save my life. The surgery that saved my life made it impossible for me to have children. From my earliest memory, all I had ever wanted was a baby of my own.

Two weeks after that surgery, my husband and I applied for adoption. The adoption agency said at the time that we were the youngest couple in Georgia to apply for adoption and that we couldn't qualify until I was 21. However, the agency was pleased with all our other qualifications so they continued our home study process.

When I was 21 the adoption agency told us about a 16 year old girl who didn't want to have an abortion. She didn't want her parents to raise her baby. She wanted her baby to have young parents who would be able to give him the kind of life he deserved. At the time, there were no pregnancy crisis centers.

That same year, my husband and I took home the most precious gift God could ever give. We took home our beautiful red haired, brown eyed baby boy.

When our son was 3 years old, the adoption agency told us about a woman who was married with 2 children. She and husband were financially well off. She did not want another child but she was pregnant. She had sought abortion in this country but was told that she was too far along. She was determined so she went to another country and was told the same thing there. As a result, my husband and I took home another precious gift from God. We took home our beautiful blonde haired, blue eyed baby girl.

Our children are grown, now. They grew into caring wonderful people. We have been blessed with six beautiful grandchildren. Our daughter and her husband both volunteer at the Save a Life Foundation. They are constantly sharing what they provide for their children with mothers and fathers who need help providing for their children.

If it had not been for God's intervention, those 8 lives would never have happened.

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Great story, Ginga

And as an adopted child myself, I say a tremendous THANK YOU for what you and others do and have done!

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Believe Me, Nuk

It was my pleasure. THANK YOU for being another wonderful adopted child. As I have said before, my children and grandchildren are the joy of my life.

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Nuk 'n' Ginga

Both the adoptive child and their parents should be celebrated. I agree with Nuk about thanking those who work to build families through the life saving efforts of adoption. And those that work to save troubled children by utilizing the adoptive process.

Ginga. Your story is a beautiful one. Praise God for the results.

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It feels so good to have a kindred spirit. Bless you and your family.

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Adoption is THE STUFF (as Git jumps up and down cheering)

Today our adopted treasure was asked if she would like to meet her birthmother one day like our family friend did. Regardless of the answer we would have supported her whole heartedly. But.... it melted my heart when she said she was fine and she was content with her situation and even liked her parents. Kind of made dad's chest puff out a bit hearing that come from a teenager. (insert proud grin here)

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When our daughter was ten years old, she came home from school one day and said that a boy had asked her, "Who is your real mother?" She told him, "My mother is my real mother." The boy said, "No she isn't. My mother said that you are adopted." It was easy to see that my child was upset. We had talked to our children from infancy about being adopted so the word and it's meaning were not unfamiliar to them. On this particular day, however, we talked with our children on a more mature level and they both went to bed that night at peace.

The next day when I picked-up my children from school I really wanted to ask what had happened at school that day but thought it best to give my daughter the opportunity to bring up the subject. Before the car door was even closed, it all came spilling out. "Mama, do you know what Jeff said again today? He asked me again, who is your real mother. Do you know what I told him?" "No, honey," I said, "What did you tell him?" She said, "I told him that my mama is just as real as your mama." At that point, she slammed the car door so hard I thought it would fall off it's hinges. Then she said, "That made him shut-up and he didn't bother me anymore."

As adults, our children have an adopted friend who has wanted to find their birth mother and they have both expressed to us that it seems like a foreign concept to go looking for someone with whom they didn't feel a connection. I think it is just the nature of the situation that an adoptive parent might feel some anxiety over the possibility of their child wanting to search for a birth parent. However, from the second our case worker placed a picture of our precious little boy in our hands, he was our child in every sense of the word. We wanted to take him home right then. We were able to see him in person the next day and we wanted to take him home then. When my husband asked, "Can't we take him home today?" The case worker said that we had to go home and think about it. My husband told her that we didn't need to think about it. He said, "This is our child." We went home and scrubbed and polished our nursery until it sparkled.

When our case worker told us about the circumstances surrounding our baby girl, I sat in her office and cried because I couldn't imagine someone not wanting their baby. At that point, I made a promise to God and my children that my two little ones would never have any doubt about the fact that their Mama and Daddy wanted them.

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What other answer can she give when asked by the family or a preacher?

If she says yes, you will be devastated! She knows that so she doesn't stir up a mess.

Now, if she asks about it without coercion, that would be much different.

The time will however come, very likely, that she will want to know.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that---more curiosity than anything else.

Anyway, if accumulation of garlands such as you have done with the adoption is rewarding in some manner, you must deserve it.

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Center For Christian Predators

A recent letter to the editor used a very broad brush to paint all Muslims as guilty of terrorism for failing to denounce the actions of extremist factions of their faith.

Since I don't cotton to the idea of Christian Exceptionalism (i.e. "Strict Rules for Thee, but Not For Me!") I wondered if I, as a Christian, was inadvertently guilty of promoting terrorism done in Christ's name by Christian extremists.

At first, I believed my conscience was clear: hey, I don't know any Christian terrorists!

But then I read about this new place being built here in Fayetteville, known euphemistically as a "Pregnancy Resource Center". I am of the opinion that this building is little more than a congregation of Christian predators.

The public is given feel-good stories about the Center providing baby food and diapers to new mothers, but a closer look at the Center's operations reveal that the primary mission of these centers is to dissuade scared pregnant teens from having an abortion.

To accomplish this mission, the predators at the center use a wide variety of propaganda techniques. A volunteer, typically with no medical training (but wearing an oh-so-official looking white coat, or so I've heard) uses an ultrasound machine, not for any medical purpose like establishing a date of conception, but to "introduce a mother-to-be to her baby".

If you're looking for medical advice, a Pregnancy Resource Center is probably the WORST place to find it. In HBO's recent documentary "12th and Delaware", a pregnancy resource center volunteer candidly admitted that she'd say or do anything to prevent someone from having an abortion. Discredited medical theories such as "Abortion increases breast cancer risk!" and "Post Abortion Regret Syndrome" are routinely presented as "fact". Congressman Henry Waxman examined the veracity of medical information distributed by Pregnancy Resource Centers: 20 of 23 centers distributed false information

Purportedly "Christian" in nature, these centers are about as far away from the tenets of Christianity as possible: Is their "coerced Christianity" any different from the so-called "Rice Christians" of Southeastern Asia in the 1960s (missionaries gave rice to starving villagers who "accepted Christ")?

I denounce these Christian extremists who prey on the most vulnerable segments of society in order to advance their extremist anti-abortion agenda. These Christian extremists publicly hand out diapers while their real cause was to exploit vulnerable members of society, not unlike Osama Bin Laden's wahabbism which donates books to schools while constantly looking for vulnerable members of society to exploit.

If the recent initiative in New York to force "truth in advertising" for "pregnancy resource centers", perhaps the local center will be forced to use a more appropriate name: the Fayetteville Center For Christian Predators.

Video: Inside a "Pregnancy Resource Center"

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Just curious, have you ever talked to anyone that has dealt with this place, or is this the same broad brush you rail against when it's about the Muslims? Is your propaganda any different then theirs?

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Just curious, have you ever talked to anyone that has dealt with this place, or is this the same broad brush you rail against when it's about the Muslims? Is your propaganda any different then theirs?

Hello Hutch my friend,

I have not met anyone who has dealt with this particular place, but I have read quite a bit about similar places, and that allows me to create what I believe to be an informed, defensible opinion.

Likewise, I've never dealt with anyone from Westboro Baptist Church (those sick folks who picket the funerals of soldiers), but I've read enough about them to form an opinion about them as well.

I admire people like you who have the ability to give the Pregnancy Resource Centers and the Westboro Baptist Churchs of the world the benefit of the doubt until you have dealt with them personally.

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So I guess what you're saying here is that you ACTUALLY know nothing about this place, but you can still offer an opinion about it. Pretty broad brush stroke there, of course that's just an opinion I've formed from reading about people like you. The fact that you believe you know my opinion about Westboro Baptist Church or would give them the benefit of the doubt, even though I've never EVER mentioned them in any of my posts or opinions tells me that your informed defensible position is in doubt. In fact, it seems that any facts you can't find you can make up. I will admit that was a pretty good deflection of the subject you made there.

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My apologies, Hutch!

My apologies Hutch!

I spoke hastily. I should not have implied that you supported the folks at Westboro Baptist Church, because as you stated, you've never opined one way or the other about them.

I neglected to factor in your near-legendary situational outrage, which allows you to rationalize your dislike of cretins at Westboro (without any firsthand knowledge of them) while simultaneously blasting me for criticizin' the Fayetteville Christian Predator Center because I don't have any firsthand knowledge of them.

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Does this mean we're not life long friends and pals anymore? Seems to me if anyone is exhibiting situational outrage it's you. BTW, why keep changing names if you're going to keep using the same tired old phrases. What outrage isn't situational? Oh I forgot, you seem to spend most your time outraged. Again you try to hang an opinion on me that I haven't espoused. Unless you can show me where I said anything about WBC pro or con. If you call what I said to you blasting, well aren't you the delicate person. You paint in broad brush strokes, but it seems that only you are allowed to. Oh wait was that to strong, gosh I hope I didn't hurt your feelings again.

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I tell ya what, friend hutch, instead of following me around taking issue with my audacity in voicing my opinion, why not do something different and take a stand one way or the other on a particular thread?

And if, perchance, you don't have an opinion one way on the other on a particular issue in a thread, perhaps you could ask yourself: "Gee, what am I doing here in this thread?" (Some people would call that "trolling", but we both know you're above that sort of boorish behavior)

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Sorry Sniff

Didn't realize I had to get your permission, besides you don't answer the questions anyway, you just make up opinions and assign them to people. My opinion on this thread is that, well I told you oon the last post what it was, but as always you change the question. You should be in politics because just like Steve Brown, you can take a direct question and talk forever and yet never answer it.

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Tsk tsk hutch old buddy

We both know I'm not "giving you permission" to post....I'm encouraging you to take a stand one way or the other on this thread, to wit, what is your opinion on these so-called "pregnancy resource centers"?

You haven't told us your take on them, do you have an opinion? Or are you content and sit back and criticize others for having opinions?

And after you do so, would you mind telling me exactly what question you feel I'm avoiding? I do make an effort to answer most relevant questions, you know. I will admit it gets a bit tiresome when some of the folks here attempt to put people constantly on the defensive.

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You said..."Or are you content and sit back and criticize others for having opinions?" You'll have to point out where I criticized your opinion, I just asked a couple of simple questions, if you're on the defensive it's not my fault. There you go getting all sensitive again. Geez, next thing you know you'll be blaming me for givings you the vapors or something. Calm down and take a break, you seem to be all excitable today. Too much caffeine?

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Hutch, let's review

Let's back up and review...
You asked a question...

hutch866 wrote:

Just curious, have you ever talked to anyone that has dealt with this place, or is this the same broad brush you rail against when it's about the Muslims? Is your propaganda any different then theirs?

This was my response....

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Hello Hutch my friend,

I have not met anyone who has dealt with this particular place, but I have read quite a bit about similar places, and that allows me to create what I believe to be an informed, defensible opinion.

Now, I'm not sure how you can honestly claim that I did not answer your question....I actually answered the same question twice, athomegym asked me the same question.

Now, I will admit I did not answer your "propaganda" snark, because I didn't feel it merited a reply....You're free to call my opinion "propaganda" all you like, but I'll disagree with your interpretation.

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About that propaganda snark thing, lets assume we have a scared pregnant 16 year old girl here, on one side you have someone telling her to have the baby and on the other side you have someone telling her to abort, now tell me how she's supposed to know that your opinion or "propaganda" is better then the other side, it wasn't a "snark", it was a legitimate question that you chose to not answer. So, honestly, you dodged the question.

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The informed, defensible opinion was my favorite part, first you say you haven't met anyone from this place, but because somewhere else there is a place you don't like, you can lump them together, and you still call that informed? Just like Stevie Brown, by all means, pick the questions you answer.

BTW, you still haven't shown me where I criticized your opinion, yet another time you have assigned an opinion to me, using the criteria you used with Observer, you might call that a lie, of course that's just my informed, defensible opinion. Golly, I think I've learned something from you here, with an opinion, you don't need facts. Seems to make it a lot easier.

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I distinctively remember when you were verbally discussing the economy with Steve Lindsey (No, I don't call it a "debate"), you were insistant about using facts versus opinions, yet on this issue and this facility, you have no facts that I can discern. So what is driving your interest in this thing at all? Are you just looking for some citizen blog conflict or what?

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Hello Gym,

If you'll recall, I said back then that I liked to base my opinion on facts, and I felt Lindsey (R.I.P.) based his "facts" on opinions. I still stand by that characterization, by the way.

I feel that I have read enough first-hand accounts of what transpires in these so-called "pregnancy resource centers" that I am comfortable forming an opinion, a negative one in this case, about "pregnancy resource centers" in general.

As you can see, there are a few folks here who have a problem with this.

Insofar as your opinion as to my "lack of facts", I linked to several sites in my original post to give a sampling of the articles I read that helped form my opinion.

You are correct, I am looking for what you call a "citizen blog conflict" (I prefer the phrase "meaningful exchange of ideas", but let's not quibble) and I fully admit to using incendiary rhetoric to get peoples' attention.

I still stand by my opinion and would welcome an opportunity to read your take on these loathsome sordid enterprises. (Darn it all, there's that incendiary rhetoric again!)

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Bacon & Personal Knowledge

Thanks for the reply--I just want to know how much of your comment comes from personal knowledge versus outside information. From a personal position, I'm a fan of pregnancy prevntion versus pregnancy interruption.

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Bacon & Personal Knowledge

Thanks for the reply--I just want to know how much of your comment comes from personal knowledge versus outside information. From a personal position, I'm a fan of pregnancy prevntion versus pregnancy interruption.

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Pregnancy Prevention

I'm a fan of pregnancy prevention, too. In a perfect world, every child would be a wanted child. As a show of left/right solidarity, whaddya say we volunteer to pass out free contraceptives at local high schools together? ;)

Last spring, I had occasion to go over to the Fayette county education extension offices (the old Fayette High). I went into the wrong building by mistake, which housed the alternate high school. I was in the front office getting directions when the class change bell range, and I was absolutely amazed at the number of pregnant teenagers walking from class to class in the hallways. Seriously, there must have been at least 2 dozen mother-to-be and probably more. I'd estimate that two thirds of them seemed to be of Hispanic origin. It was definitely a shock to the system.

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BACON'S GOSPEL - REPLY
Chris P. Bacon wrote:

A recent letter to the editor used a very broad brush to paint all Muslims

Soooo..... Ummm...
You don't like to READ "broad-brush" arguments (even if they are well based in fact and thesis....)

--BUT-T-T-T.... You don't mind WRITING THEM directed at others (especially if you don't have anyt pertinent facts or first-hand knowledge)??

....Vewwwy Intewwesting... I think I get it...

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Chris P. Bacon wrote:

I am of the opinion that this building is little more than a congregation of Christian predators.

(sound of many crickets chirping...) HEY BACON!!

Of course you are entitled to your opinion. It tells us a lot about you!

We are awaiting your specific charges and /or evidence -- you know pertinent facts about "THIS BUILDING"... "THIS CONGREGATION"...
This expression of badly needed ministry you are so vehemently against...

Do you know these folks?? You've met them?? ...Checked them out??
Do you know where the funding is coming from...??

Please tell us!
(Certainly your fair-mindedness will hold your pro-abortion friends to the same scrutiny and high standards... YES....????... NOOO...???)

"CHRISTIAN PREDATORS"---
I am sure these ver-r-r-ry ske--e-e-r-r-ry-y "christian predators" must be a lot worse than anything we've encountered before now. Perhaps we should all thank you for sounding the alarm--and opening our eyes to this grave danger....

I am sure they are certainly UNLIKE the kind, gentle, compassionate, and God-loving practitioners of abortion.... THOSE WHO ROUTINELY:

(1) Scald alive -- a living 2nd trimester baby in saline or urea solution...

--OR--
(2) Dissect a living baby one limb at a time with an electrically driven vacuum pump... only to finish "cleansing" the womb with a manual syringe...

--OR--
(3) Induce labor only to DELIVER ALIVE enough of the near- /full-term baby's body then thrusting a surgical scissors into the base of the child's skull in order to evacuate the brain and other tissure from within the skull.

You must be right... I am almost persuaded---

...That these "christian predators" trying to help young women in trouble, and their innocent unborn children find a pathway forward for their lives...

WELL AT LEAST... C'MON PEOPLE...
They must be much worse than the "sales force" at Planned Parenthood or other high volume abortion industry operations.

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Chris P. Bacon wrote:

A volunteer, typically with no medical training (but wearing an oh-so-official looking white coat, or so I've heard)

Hmmmm.... no broadbrush here.... no hearsay in use....

Move along... move along...

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Chris P. Bacon wrote:

the primary mission of these centers is to dissuade scared pregnant teens from having an abortion.

You bet your bippy--"christian predators" read easily from God's Word "Thou Shall Not Kill"
--And they have chosen to offer scared pregnant teens the options of life for their unborn child--

God is really into life, you know....

Protecting the innocent, speaking out for those who can't speak for themselves

Making the impossible become possible....

All kinds of easy stuff like that...

BTW --
The Lord gladly uses His own family here on earth to get the job done-- more often than not!

Just sayin'.... "brother"...

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Chris P. Bacon wrote:

Discredited medical theories such as "Abortion increases breast cancer risk!" and "Post Abortion Regret Syndrome" are routinely presented as "fact

Why don't you tell us how many young women /couples you have counselled out of their grief, depression, and fractured relationships because they realized they let those kind... gentle... compassionate.. charitable folks at the abortion clinic BRUTALLY KILL THE CHILD they conceived together?

(sound of many crickets chirping...)

Well, actually.... yes I have.... too many over the years....

I am sure many /most of these "christian predators" have also heard enough of these life-stories after the sad facts of hurried decision and quick & easy procedures...

And they shed enough of their own tears with these heartbroken young people...
To make a commitment... and make a difference....
...Offering a much better way forward with unexpected pregnancies.

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Chris P. Bacon wrote:

Congressman Henry Waxman examined the veracity of medical information distributed by Pregnancy Resource Centers: 20 of 23 centers distributed false information

There you have it-- It's a LOCK!! Bacon wins the argument!!

With this irrefutable objective analysis by an absolutely disnterested authority!!

This veryyy well-known... --wait-- ...infamous lock-step liberal california congress-critter (D-CA30th: West Hollywood, Santa Monica & Beverly Hills)...

I am glad you have a sense of humor Bacon... I would be cracking up, here... If your position wasn't so badly twisted in favor of the death industry.

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Chris P. Bacon wrote:

If the recent initiative in New York to force "truth in advertising" for "pregnancy resource centers", perhaps...

If the "light" of that same standard were held up against Planned Parenthood, and other high-volume abortion mills- they would have been out-of-busines long ago.

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Chris P. Bacon wrote:

I wondered if I, as a Christian,...

Hey "Brother" BACON--

If one is keenly interested in your walk of Christian faith--

Where might one hear your pastor preach the Gospel??

Come to a meeting with your Bible Study group??

Where may one read your church's statement of faith??

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why does God kill babies?

"God is really into life, you know...."

Really? With 25% of all pregnancies ending with a miscarriage, this would make God the biggest abortionist of all.

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Now there are two

God is responsible for Death? I think Eve had something to do with that.

Go ahead hate God. I doubt he cares.

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Didn't dream that "Eve" was that powerful!

Why would anyone who is sane hate the Cteator?

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Illogical main!

Can we just go on and say that God killed all those soldiers and civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, on both sides---even the Muslims, also in the USA Civil War, WW1 and WW2, Korea, Viet Nam, The Persian wars, the Roman wars, the Greek wars, the Catholic Crusades, the Muslim wars, Khan's wars, Alexander's wars, Napoleon's wars, Russia's purges, the Great Plagues, 50,000 a year from car wrecks, 25,000 a year from the flu, and all those heart attacks, gun accidents, Pervert murders, and of course the Cancer problem?

I suppose the "thoughts and prayers," of many didn't get there in time.

The Creator allows us free will, and accidents, and we certainly use it!

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As in most cases, "Follow The Money" and you'll find the motivation. And a personal visit might tell you a lot, rather than "I read" and "I hear".

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Destroying an Eagles egg gets you prison time

but protecting a human child against death is extremism.

My how the times have changed and not for the better.

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Thanks, Chris P., for linking the video. Your response is all the more meaningful since you do claim christianity as your belief system. I have been a proponent of women's choice for years and years, before Roe v. Wade, and before my college roommate had a clothes hanger abortion that almost killed her. It sickens me that these people will do anything to prevent a woman from choosing, in the spirit of the ends-justifies-the means. If I was a praying person, I would pray for their swift punishment, but, instead, I will hope for our sluggish government to get off its rear and persecute them for practicing medicine and psychiatry without a license.

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I'm curious Bacon,

from your vantage point do you consider all groups that oppose abortion extremist or just this one?

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Hello cyclist, I'm sorry it took so long to get back to you, I had tickets for UGA-Vandy yesterday.

You ask an interesting question: Do I consider all groups who oppose abortion to be "extremist" in nature? Short answer: No, not really.

I respect an honest disagreement of opinion. I realize that there are people who are as passionate about their anti-abortion beliefs as I am about my pro-choice beliefs.

I have often argued that coercing people to conform to other people's religious beliefs is wrong. Many extremists (usually Christian but not always), having failed to convince people to willingly follow the tenets of a particular faith or dogma (the hard business of "retail Christianity", so to speak), have attempted to use the "force of law" to require all people to obey the dictates of their faith. In my mind, this is a de jure establishment of a state religion and a violation of one of the fundamental principles of the Constitution, and is a form of extremism.

My biggest complaint, however, is with people who use deception to promote their position. The extremists who run these PRCs are masters at this. I absolutely despise the "say anything/do anything" mentality that rationalizes any and all bad behavior in pursuit of some religious belief. This mindset is what got that abortion doctor shot and killed. If one of these extremists were to say "Abortion increases your chance of testicular cancer", you and I would recognize the inherent lack of truthiness in that statement, but there are some gullible people who would accept such gobbledygook as an article of faith. I'm fond of paraphrasing the last Daniel Patrick Moynihan: you have the right to your own opinion, you don't have the right to your own facts.

I'm not saying I'm perfect...I do get a bit judgmental from time to time, but I'd like to think that overall I'm "fair and balanced", albeit in a Fox News kinda way.

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Well Bacon....

UGA did good yesterday.

I thought that's how you would view it. CHR$ had it all wrong. ☺

Anyways, I believe abortion is wrong; however, I don't know how I can force my beliefs on matters like that on others. That's why I have laid low in those arguments. Honestly, I feel as though I'm becoming like the late Senator Barry Goldwater in his later year's.

BTW, last year we had a little tit-for-tat regarding the use of tasers and you forwarded a story about a cyclist that was tasered by a PD in Ohio. Well the criminal charges were dropped soon after - it was very evident that neither the PD or the DA had any idea of Ohio vehicle code as it pertain to bicycling. The civil law suit was adjudicated last July and cyclist is most pleased with the outcome. The total award of the civil suit was undisclosed. It was reported that both the city and the county had to rely on insurance to cover that cost.

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Yes, I'll answer that...yes.

It is none of their concern unless they are pregnant and don't want to be.

Right or wrong? Now that is a second question for each person to think about. ("deal with" as some say---using a noun for a verb).

I don't kiss the Pope's ring neither! Nasty thing.

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This is just one of the all time most ridiculous post

I have ever read.

It is none of their concern??? How about SLAVERY should it not have been someones concern unless they were themselves slaves?

Idiotic post from someone whom I have come to believe could not get more idiotic. You have topped that one. Congrats.

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I suppose you also want a law that says that a woman has to take pills to keep from getting pregnant, or also must not take pills and have every baby she is capable of having.

Everyone is an idiot, you say, who doesn't give the church 20% of all earned money; church must be Christian; all must rest on Sunday except for those who judge they shouldn't; all must participate in those horrible way too old hymns at church--bad enough to listen to them; all must speak in tongues like Sarah does; all must shout and roll in the floor occasionally; bars are OK providing friendly women work there; all minorities are evil and sorry and crooked and want to rob and kill all of us; all Muslims are terrorists; no republican can be spoken badly about; all democrats are bad; TEAS are great as long as they are ALL REPUBLICANS; Libertarians are interesting but somewhat impossible goals; preachers can do no wrong--all are forgiven including Eddie and Ted; all Northerners are snobby and think we are stupid.

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I was wrong

you topped what I thought could not be topped.

Nice Job

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CHR$ on answering for Bacon

You seem to answer for a lot of bloggers; however, I would rather have Bacon answer this one.

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I didn't answer for Bacon! Just me.

I believe one is entitled to answer anyone on here.

Don't read any you don't want to read if they upset you.

That is what I do, but not due to being upset, just because they will build the road anyway sort of thing, and if it is about beer or restaurants or coffee.

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Christian extremists...

The right-wing conservatives, and the Christian extremists, want less government in our lives, unless it pertains to a woman's uterus or what occurs between consenting adults in their own bedrooms. Thank goodness there are Christians like Bacon who see the hypocrisy and outright extremism within his own religion and he calls them out. Just like we plead for moderation in Islam from the moderate Muslims, we expect the same moderate stance on issues within the Christian religion.

More disturbing footage from Pregnancy Resource Centers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbpuCfaGJJw

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You might not have noticed that the phrase, "Christian Extremists," is an Oxymoron!

Just as is "TEA enthusiasts" and just the word "Libertarian!"

Also, according to the right wing, "democratic party" is really supposed to say "democrat party." Obviously they aren't democratic.