FREE SPEECH for the week of Sept. 24 – Sept. 30

Free Speechers, here’s your “have at it” page again.

Post on topic or off topic or make up your own topic.

Here are some anonymous contributions that showed up in my email last week to get your pumps primed.

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I have some advice on how to fix our messed up schools and budget deficit. Don’t cut the teacher pay, but cut their extra supplement by 5%, start charging for school busses, collect all the money we are owed from the out of county kids who have been caught in our schools illegally and do NOT let them back in, quit letting kids go to different schools in the county with “special permission” as that is what messed up our schools to begin with, get rid of the senior tax exemption if they have grandkids living with them that are in our schools, and start charging the out of county teachers kids that go to our schools. Maybe even stop serving hot meals. Not popular decisions, but necessary to save our school system. There you have it, and the advice was free.

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WOW,WOW,WOW. I just got put in the group that doesn’t pay federal income tax. The group that Romney says he doesn”t worry about because we expect the gov’t to take care us. My wife and I paid income tax until our retirement. Our retirement is not enough that we have to pay income tax. Mr. Romney, you really are out of touch with the lower middle class. I get nothing, natta, from the government; never have. Mr. Romney, you need to go into the cities and go to the poorer areas in the morning. You would see thousands of people going to work every morning on the subways and buses. Most of these folks go to jobs that do not pay a living wage. Mr. Romney, many of the folks clean homes, cars, offices, and have more than one generation living in a small apartment and they need government’s help. These folks furnish the young to fight our wars. How much is it worth to you, Mr. Romney, to have the poor kids to die in war so that you and the higher class won’t have to? You just lost our vote. — Senoia, Ga.

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E-gad. Yet another, too lengthy, dissertation from that Mr Parker in Peachtee City. ENOUGH! Even the AJC limits letter, faxes and e-mails to so many words or less. His using The Citizen to hear himself talk (and voicing his political views among other things) is getting to be too much. Who made him king? I'm just about ready to just throw your paper in the trash when it shows up, because it is the same thing over and over (about the same stuff, from the same people). We are just WEARY of it. Must say, though, I love the editorial cartoons!

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Thank you for the excellent article by Derek Wolter. It was superb. Kudos to you for giving us a good dose of thinking print.

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Free Speech is free for another week — have at it!

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THIS is how you handle

an encounter with a police officer when told to stop and pull over.......

http://youtu.be/VxE7GZ4ykps

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Just another day at the airline...

Source Fox News:

A passenger was tossed off a plane at La Guardia Airport on Tuesday after flipping out — because airline workers wished him a merry Christmas.

The man was waiting to board American Airlines Flight 1140 to Dallas when a cheerful gate agent began welcoming everyone with the Yuletide greeting while checking boarding passes.

The grumpy passenger, who appeared to be traveling alone, barked at the woman, “You shouldn’t say that because not everyone celebrates Christmas.”

The agent replied, "Well, what should I say then?"

"Don't say, 'Merry Christmas!'" the man shouted before brushing past her.

Once on the plane, he was warmly greeted by a flight attendant who also wished him a “merry Christmas.” That was the last straw.

"Don't say, 'Merry Christmas!'" the man raged before lecturing the attendants and the pilot about their faux pas. He was eventually led of the plane to a round of applause from passengers.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/26/passenger-tossed-after-flipping-out...

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Maybe it was this guy
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Hey moe,

You got that right!

While I was over in the far east a few years back, I seen something like this on a "Brand X" flight from Singapore to Honk Kong.

I don't know what they are saying but that flight attendant call chime in the background is damn annoying!

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Hey cy,

How you do it, I'll never know.

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Tip of the Spear - The Law

A lot has been written in recent days about the continued protests across the country concerning police "sensitivity" for young Black males being killed or otherwise harassed by the police. These protests have been managed by city authorities in different ways depending on the city. In Atlanta and in New York City the protestors have been given wide latitude in causing disruption by closing down main thoroughfares in and around these cities. This has emboldened the protestors to push the limits of what the politicians will allow them to do. In addition, the Mayor of New York City has publicly supported these protestors, standing side by side with Rev. Sharpton. Rev. Sharpton has been the primary racial advisor of President Obama and part of the Left liberal elite. To say that the rhetoric has been intense would be an understatement and with the assassination of two police officers in Brooklyn the hyperbole has turned tragic. After months of police bashing by Rev. Sharpton, Mr. Holder, Mr. Obama and other appeassers, a career criminal, a sociopath, translated rhetoric into violent action against innocent officers doing their duty.

So, what does this all mean? What's at risk for us as citizens?

First, we need to acknowledge that there is a "higher calling" for people that choose to become defenders of our society and way of life. Our armed forces and police join these ranks, in part, because society holds these professions in high esteem. The attack on the police is reminiscent of leftist's attacks on our troops returning from Vietnam. Secondly, we need to understand that the police represent the actionable part of law. Our political system allows representative government to institute laws to protect our way of life. Laws require force and the most crucial laws are those instituted to protect citizens against evil. In order to carry out law enforcement against evil, the police must go where evil exists. This means where crime exists. They by their presence, represent civil society in areas of our community that choose to ignore or violate law. They are the tip of the spear of law and civil society. Finally, we must recognize that law enforcement is a choice. We can either enforce laws or we can turn our society into chaos. Not respecting our police and the role they play in our society, empowering those that have the most to gain by police retreat and demoralizing the ranks of our police will lead to far worse outcomes than those that happened in Brooklyn on Saturday.

Does this mean the police are perfect, absolutely not. What it does mean though is we need to keep things in perspective, a reaction to a small percentage of "bad cops" shouldn't destroy the entire system, it certainly shouldn't be used as a method to reduce law enforcement where crime occurs. If we do this, then we are dishonoring those two police officers that gave their lives attempting to protect us and we open ourselves to mob rule.

Tomorrow, go out and find a policeman and tell them how much you appreciate their service.

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$64 question

How long can anarchy be at the top before it pervades all levels? If you don't know fear be prepared. This country is on the path to banana republicanism and rule by intimidation.

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Happy puppy

For anyone who missed this tonight, doggy joy is a thing of beauty, isn't it? :)

http://youtu.be/P-8v-_kaZ38

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Ultimate Gym PTC

What happened? The sign on Highway 54 is down.

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Angry taxpayer

Is that Dar's old place?

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Ultimate Fitness PTC

it's the one by Partners Pizza and BoA.

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Ultimate Gym

Their phone is disconnected, the Facebook page says they merged with World Gym back in September...sounds like World Gym must know what happened.

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Ultimate Gym-DAR takes over the world ;)

Guess there was too much competition.

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NYC Police Turn Their Backs

on Mayor de Blasio as he walks through hospital. I say that showed an enormous amount of restraint on their part. See video below:

http://nypost.com/2014/12/20/police-turn-their-back-on-de-blasio/

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I have to wonder if the...

President is going to send representatives to funerals of those assassinated NYPD officers or is that reserved for dead thugs.

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Cyclist & the President

Don't you know he's in Hawaii and living it up? No time for trivial stuff like funerals and the such. Now I'm just guessing here, but I would wager that former President Bush would attend the funerals himself--that's just the kind of human being he is.

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NYPD - Hate Crime!

I realize there will be no trial, but this should go on record as a Hate Crime!

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MWF, AHG, Cy, suggar, G35

This is the story the liberal press is not reporting. First, this murderer was raised by Muslim parents and practiced Islam. His middle name is Abdullah. Read this below if you want to get immersed in the hatred this putrid human surrounded himself with. Now, they are trying to find out what he did for 2 and half hours. Wanna bet he was in the mosque praying to his allah? Of course, Barry Hussein I am sure, has told everyone to keep this all quiet so he can enjoy his golf games. Just like he did after James Foley had his throat slit. And hooray for Police Chief Flynn of Milwaukee in one of the videos on this site below:

http://shoebat.com/2014/12/20/man-just-murdered-two-police-officers-broo...

Note: this is not a website I am familiar with, just a simple search brought it up. I am not a religious zealot by any means, but I think we can all see the pattern developing here.

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MLC- I'm not surprised!

None of this really surprises me. I think several groups are probably using the "peaceful" protesters as camouflage to loot and destroy. And this will continue until the police become more forceful with the law breakers. Maybe it's time to issue a curfew and enforce it!!!!

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Lets not forget Sharpton, Holder, and Obama

who's pandering has made this possible. No other President has given the likes of Sharpton such access to the White House. Holder, Obama, and the Mayor of NY, have stoked the fires and given these kinds of thugs the green light. It is so unfortunate innocent policemen were the ones who reaped what these clowns sowed. It was just a matter of time someone was hurt by their actions.

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MLC

While I respect the police for the job they do I would not be one in this day and age. They are getting less and less support from the powers that be. And to take the risks that they take for the pay that they get. No sir not me.

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G35

Yes, I think most of us feel that way. However, I think if we had a heart to heart with any officer, they would tell you they do it for other reasons beyond the pay. There is a selfless sense of service they have that many do not understand. I have a nephew who is a patrolman in Dallas, Tx. and he is one of the most caring, compassionate young people I have ever met. As with teachers, they are way underpaid, and yes, you are right, the risk now is even greater.

This gang member killer last lived in Union City and had outstanding arrest warrants in Clayton and Cobb counties. Every leo around is probably saying, there but for the grace of God , go I. For all the good they do, for all the crap they tolerate, they are a special, special group of human beings.

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Winter Solstice Alert (Tomorrow)

Shortest day of the year tomorrow......those long summer nights are just around the corner.......'bout time...

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Anyone going to Cuba?

I suspect that opening Cuba might put a future "crimp" on Jamaica's economy.

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Cuba is good, but why stop there? North Korea or bust

As Newt the Great has explained, we have lost out first cyberwar to North Korea, so what would expect our appeaser-in-chief to do next?
1. Fight back and fry their little cyber gooks and disable every computer in the country
2. Cut off all financial and food aid (yes we do that still, believe it or not) and embargo other countries supplying them. After we do this we can arm and supply a rebel group to overthrow the government. This would be the very first time the US did anything like that.
3. Exchange some prisoners and ease off anything bad we have been doing to this peaceful and wonderful nation.

Which door do you think our leaders in Washington will pick?

What in the world is wrong with us? Surely the next President will have the cojones to neuter this silly little troll who is in charge of NK.

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Looking for logic

Nope not N. Korea, think Middle East, Russia, or China.

Think new EPA regulations to counter the lower oil prices threatening the Green Crony Capitalism.
Think Executive action or regulations controlling the use of the Internet by the government.
Think a "New Civil Rights" Presidental Commission to "investigate" police "abuses"
Think a major overhaul of the Defense Department, downsizing (already done but he wants more), withdrawal from NATO?
Think Presidental pardons.
Think new Education initiative, don't know what but it will be over the top.
Think dismantling the banking system
Think a Justice Department investigation of Fox News
Think an IRS initiative to speed the recruitment and hiring of 20,000 new tax collectors.

The list is nearly endless, just don't be surprised by anything this President will attempt.

Remember the end game is to institutionalize the Socialist agenda knowing that the Republicans will turn NOTHING back.

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Controlling the narrative

As I said in an earlier post, this is all about controlling the narrative. In the next two years we will have more outrageous actions by this regime.

What's the point in all of this? The latest budget deal allows the administration to institutionalize the changes they have made over the last six years.

It's all about the bureaucracy folks, that's where the power is vested and the Congress has sealed the deal with this budget "deal".

What could be more outrageous than dictating laws, recognizing murderous regimes and seizing everyone's health care?

You haven't seen anything yet.

One more comment on Cuba, it is clear that strengthening the economy of Cuba, will allow it to spread revolution thoughout South America. Fits nicely into the Socialist's global agenda

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Cuba Si! Sign me up., Jamaica - who cares.

If you ignore the obvious manipulation of our negotiator-in-chief by an 80+ year old Raul Castro, the possibility that Cuba will be opened up to us regular citizens that embrace our guns and bibles and are stupid voters is gratefully accepted. I will enjoy the gambling and the vintage cars and the beaches, but probably not the cigars as I know some like hubby will.

Now back to realty. Presbo was real proud he did a 3 for 1 exchange and figures that Alan Gross is the "most valuable intelligence asset we have ever had in Cuba"(r). Yes he actually said that and heard it live around noon. Spit my smoothie all over my Volvo. Pretty obvious to me that Castro insisted to Eric or Valerie or Obama that he include that in his speech as part of the deal. I thought I was watching a North Korean prisoner movie for a while. What a tool this President is - negotiating with Cuba. Pretty good opportunities for follow up questions from the "press". Ha ha. let's see what they do. Me? I'm betting on nothing.

I doubt anything will actually come of this other than more humiliation for America, but maybe when Raul kicks off some of the less idealoglistic Commies will be seduced by the Americano dollars. God knows Russia is not able to contribute anymore.

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Mudkitty & Presbo's comment

Don't think he was talking about Gross--believe there was another, un-named person also released.

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PTC Police Chief

This is now on the PD and FD Facebook page. Chief, this is bizarre. IMO, whatever your intent, whatever message you think this sends out, you missed the mark. Big time.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=473175626157199

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A sign of Christmas

The Gaddys have some neat new stuff this year. Such fun.

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Yes, new items to enjoy

We visited last weekend as we made our tour of all the beautiful displays. The Gaddy's are always the best.

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Gaddy's

its to bad the Citizen is not thrown in that area so they have no way of knowing how much the community appreciates them and their kindness

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Winter's Coming

Until I see the Canadian geese flying over in their V formation, headed south for the winter, it just does not seem official. This morning, flying over Hwy 54 heading south, there they were, flapping and honking away. One of those Mother Nature miracles, how they do it, I just don't need to know. I hope in my end of life years I will still be able to look up in the sky and marvel at that sight and wonder how they do it year after year. Puts a smile on my face every time.

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MLC & Canadian Geese

In my 28 yrs in unincorporated FC, I have never seen any Canadian Geese migrating! Sandhill Cranes--oh yes, tons, usually starting around Thanksgiving. Last yr not until Dec--yr before think they took another cooridor further East.

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AHG

I guess that means you didn't see the ones I did? The winter is still young, maybe year 29 will be your lucky one. You never know.

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I have been seeing them for at least a week...

The past few weeks I've seen HUGE flocks of Sandhill Cranes...they fly very high...

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Cranes

I have not seen them, guess I haven't been looking up ugh enough. This gaggle were right up overhead. A few might have been rookies, they were more of a "w" than "v" on one side..that first run must be a doozie for some of them. LOL

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The cranes fly much higher....

Can be hard to spot, although you can hear them.

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Warning Warning

phone phishing

just got a call from the "Windows technical department" wanting to help me fix my computer. Heavy Indian accent.When I asked what part of Microsoft he was in he immediately hung up. It concerns me because I know a lot of people who would talk to these criminals and possibly divulge financial information. If you read this please warn people you know who might be susceptible.

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Thanks S[QR

We received a warning from Microsoft regarding a similar situation.

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John Boehner on Barry

"The more the president talks about his ideas, the more unpopular he becomes. Why would I deprive him of that opportunity?"

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Fellow bloggers

Are you experiencing a new format when you log in to post comments? I am.

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MLC - Well

Well I think I will come up here to avoid the skinny columns.

What's that you say about dishonest Democrats in Mass.? We have so many to choose from. The biggest crook in Mass. was Tip O'Neal. He taught the Kennedy's how to steal. Elizabeth Warren is just carrying on a tradition of making a living off the backs of the taxpayer by insisting that she's out there looking after their interests by combating corporate greed.

It's the same old story line that the socialists and fascists have been using for a 100 years. These "anti capitalists" get so much money from neo-capitalists looking for government protection it gets a little old. However, it works. People actually believe that there is someone out there fighting the banksters, while all the while other special interests that benefit from regulation fund their campaigns.

Elizabeth Warren, lost all creditability when she lied to get government funding for her Harvard Education. Now she says she doesn't know how it happened.......right.

You see working the system in the eyes of good socialists is something to be admired. After all that's why it was created in the first place, to be "worked". It show them that they are right, the American people are stupid, they'll believe anything. Democracy in action!

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Whew

Just spent the morning expressing a minority view in this discussion. Guess no one will read it - but I sure feel better! LOL!!

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Davids mom

I'm sure the old conga line will get moving again.

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Question

What if Mr. Brown had been white? Would the outcome have been the same? Would Officer Wilson have killed the white Mr. Brown?

IMHO, he would have.

Read the grand jury testimony. Based on that, I would have shot anyone that did this to me for fear of my life. It's called self defense.

So, whatever you do, don't beat a policeman when he's doing his job and expect he won't do anything if you try to do it twice when he commands you at gunpoint to get on the ground. Nope, black or white.....he'll shoot you again and again until you stop coming at him. So would I.

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Law enforcement training

Officer Wilson may have been in his rights as an officer. There are other officers who may have handled this situation differently. I'm sure that this scenario will be used in LE training in the future - if it not already is part of the training program. I think the Brown's request for cameras on officers (cameras are now in vehicles) will protect the officer from false accusations and the community from questionable police work.

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DM - Indeed

Officer Wilson, did what anyone would have done, protect his life.

The idea of cameras is a good one and helps protect citizen's from over aggressive policing as well as false accusations against the police.

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PTC-O That dosen't...

matter as the deceased thug is now a cause célèbre for all those that refuse to believe Officer Wilson was only doing his job and subsequently protecting himself.

I still find it very suspicious that Black East Point Police Officers can kill (the DA ruled it as a homicide) a handcuffed individual and yet nothing, nada has been said by certain professional race baiters, Eric Holder or the President. I have to wonder what kind of conclusion can be drawn from their silence on this incident.

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Please clarify.

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I still find it very suspicious that Black East Point Police Officers can kill (the DA ruled it as a homicide) a handcuffed individual and yet nothing, nada has been said by certain professional race baiters, Eric Holder or the President.

What am I missing here? The East Point officers supposedly shot a handcuffed individual.? The DA ruled it a homicide. What was the race of the handcuffed individual? What do you see wrong about calling it a homicide? Why should Holder and the President become involved? What was the perceived injustice here? Thanks! :-)

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East Point Death

Pretty sure Cy's issue is "why no outrage about Black on Black killing?

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Understood. Maybe because the victim in the East Point incident was handcuffed and the DA charged the officer with homicide. There is outrage about black on black killing within the black community. It doesn't sell papers maybe. 400 hundred+ black on black killings in Chicago alone - shouldn't there be righteous outrage if this were happening in any community?

The 'outrage' was caused by a number of incidents with this killing:
1. Unarmed victim
2. Body left in street for four hours uncovered
3. Poor official notification procedure of the parents of the victim
4. Unusual action of the prosecutor (Even lawyers are questioning his procedure with the evidence to the Grand Jury)
5.Delay in announcing the findings of the Grand Jury. (To those who understood the anticipation of criminal activity, it was thought wise to get all law enforcement in place before the announcement - and this was considered wisdom by some, However, when the TV cameras were showing a completely unprotected area of businesses in the heart of the community where violence had occurred before, that was certainly a questionable implementation of 'protection'. IMO

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DM East Point

Gym is mostly correct. The two East Point officers were Black as was the suspect - Gregory Townes. I'm sure, by now, you have aquatinted yourself with the incident. I do have to admit, I was wrong regarding the the DA, he has not pursued any action against the officers. It was the county coroner that noted on death certificate that it was homicide. The District Attorney - Paul Howard - has not commented on the case nor has he presented it to the grand jury (this incident happened last April). But the fact that the death certificate acknowledges a homicide begs closure. Oh, and one of the East Point officers is appealing his firing.

My point is that if it were two White officers that tasered Mr. Towns to death the reaction from the community, the news media, Jesse/Al, Eric Holder and the President would have been far different.

Now to Ferguson. Mr Brown (the thug) instigated a strong armed robbery (caught on camera) and then, for some crazy reason, got into in-car struggle with Officer Wilson which involved the officer's weapon. Instead of complying with Officer Wilson's commands, Mr Brown ended up laying on the street dead.

So now we have rioting, looting, property destruction, the Brown family demand charges while many other looneys demand the officer's death. In the meantime, AL and Jesse do the their little race hustle and then Eric "By gawd it has to be racial" Holder stirs things up even more. After all Mr Brown's civil rights were violated by the White officer's action. (Not so with Gregory Townes - his killers were Black)

Anyways, I'll stop now as I know you're watching the Bruins.

BTW, about my earlier post and the schools you attended. I thought you got your undergrad at UCLA and then your master's at USC - University of Spoiled Children. sorry.

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Cy - Eric Garner - Staten Island
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Legal experts and former prosecutors have said that despite the medical examiner’s ruling the death a homicide, murder charges would be unlikely. Officers are generally given wide latitude to use force, though Police Department policy specifically prohibits chokeholds.

But a lesser homicide charge could be possible, legal experts said, including second-degree manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide.

The above quote from the New York Times:

The Grand Jury decision from Staten Island may be issued today. Note" The medical examiner in this case ruled the death a homicide. The chokehold is banned for police to use in New York. It will be interesting to see how the Grand Jury rules in this case. Unfortunately, because citizens are afraid to discuss 'race' in our country (it does make everyone uncomfortable) - reactions from all sides are based on deep seated emotions and negative and/or positive experiences. There are some here who have honestly shared their opinions - based on their perspective. We as Americans need to 'reconciliate' as was attempted in South Africa. To the world, the election of Obama was seen as a signal that America had finally excepted Americans of color as worthy of citizenship What I'm afraid is that after there is so-called closure to these specific cases - the discussions in the media will cease. I have been 'dised' for ending some of my comments with the positive feelings I have towards my life in Fayette County. I consider Fayette County a role model for American middle class life in 2014. Today, Fayette County's fight against providing everyone an equal chance at representation in electing a representative for their 'gerrymandered' community is NEWS. I have read that some feel their right to make decisions for the entire county has been taken away. Others see it as taking control of a community other than their own - and preventing a person they may elect from being elected by the rest of the county by voting for the opponent of the person they would like to represent them. This situation make the headlines/news in the major press rather than the peace and tranquility that is enjoyed in many of our communities in Fayette County.

Waiting for the Staten Island decision. The protests in Staten Island have been peaceful. The media as I type - is anticipating lotting, burning, etc. (Staten Island had peaceful demonstrations - no looting) It's like calling all 'thugs - come to the party! Disgusting journalism. Kudos to those journalists who restrain from this type of reporting. Kudos to those who work diligently to plan and execute peaceful/non-violent expressions of concern.

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Cyclist - thanks for sharing
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My point is that if it were two White officers that tasseled Mr. Towns to death the reaction from the community, the news media, Jesse/Al, Eric Holder and the President would have been far different.

It may have been in this climate - however there is a difference between the Brown and the Towns incident IMO. Mr. Towns was handcuffed - and the officers were disciplined almost immediately. Even though you were mistaken about the DA - someone indicated homicide on the part of the officers - and the officers were relieved or fired. I understand your perception of this problem - but the 'black' media did cover the Towns incident - and evidently reported that justice was in progress. When a community does not trust the police department - (poor community relations) - such as being suggested with the community in Fergeson - you have problems. When the 1965 riots erupted in LA - poor community relations with law-enforcement was the elephant in the middle of the room. In the Fergeson incident, I was sickened and could not understand why a human body was allowed to remain in the street uncovered for four hours. At the time, I did not know the rest of this story. In fact, one media reported that the officer did not know of Brown's involvement in the store robbery. (This made the confrontation even more strange in the thoughts of many - not just blacks)

Then after reading the different media reports (some which contradicted with the report shared with the Grand Jury)
I wondered why didn't the officer call for back-up. There is no doubt in my mind that Brown was intimidating and certainly not behaving as his parents would want to believe. I feel a well trained officer would not have even allowed for any personal confrontation and would have called in that he had the suspect in sight of a reported robbery and needed help in apprehension. Was there so much crime going on in Fergeson at this time that no other cars responded to assist this officer? Is the police department that small? (I really don't know the answers to these questions)

I will have to read the Grand Jury report. (Isn't this against common procedure - the issuing of the proceedings?) Maybe it is only the prosecutors public report that is available - which I listened to very, very carefully. I hope I missed the section where the officer did call for help.

Then there were the unbelievably poor public statements made by the Mayor and other officials of Fergeson. CNN reported that the parents were never formally visited by any official from Fergeson. One doesn't expect the Mayor or the Police Chief to visit in an incident like this - but at least someone from the Coroners office. I feel that the 'black' citizens of East Point saw many aspects of the situation in their town different from what happened in Fergeson. (And maybe there is a better relationship with the community - after all the arresting officers who tasered a black man were black - and were disciplined. Believe me - if someone killed one of my sons, I wouldn't care about the color of skin - I would want justice to be done! (Justice administered according to law) I can feel from your words that you are focusing on your perspective - mine is different. This is why it is necessary for people with different perspectives to at least discuss honestly the reasons for their perceptions - and believe me - it is NOT ALWAYS BASED ON RACE!. There are members of my family who have a different perspective than mine - but naturally we don't call each other names nor does it diminish respect for one another. We are all sad that a young man died in the street when his 'crime' was bullying a store owner and having a confrontation with a 'white, short police officer who was also intimidated - and without backup.

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BTW, about my earlier post and the schools you attended. I thought you got your undergrad at UCLA and then your master's at USC - University of Spoiled Children. sorry.

My family got a kick out of this! I was working and had two children before I got my Masters. No - I did not go to USC for this. LOL. USC; PAY THE FEE GET A' B'. These are statements commonly heard from crosstown rivals. Both schools are highly regarded in our country - and the best school to get one's degree from is the one who accepts you! The younger generation is doing fine in our family - and some graduated from UCLA - some didn't. Yep - I was watching the Bruins - disappointing - but they did beat USC!!!!!! My son and many family members were at the Stanford/UCLA game today - the weather was terrific - as we could see on TV. Night!

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I am so proud of the young people in Atlanta who

protested by giving out one hundred plus bag lunches to the needy. The had signs, etc, espousing their views but they were orderly and did something constructive instead of destructive. Way to Go!!!

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Ferguson story

As Prosecuting Attorney Bob McCulloch was reading his statement, Michael Brown's mother, Lesley McSpadden, was sitting atop a vehicle listening to a broadcast of the announcement. When she heard the decision, she burst into tears and began screaming before being whisked away by supporters.

The crowd with her erupted in anger, converging on the barricade where police in riot gear were standing. They pushed down the barricade and began pelting police with objects, including a bullhorn. Officers stood their ground.

This, above, was an AP story in the Boston Herald.

The parents were notified hours before the decision was made public. Hours.

And here is the statement, which came via their lawyers, read:

"We are profoundly disappointed that the killer of our child will not face the consequences of his actions.

While we understand that many other share our pain, we ask that you channel your frustration in ways that will make a positive change. We need to work together to fix the system that allowed this to happen.

Join us in our campaign to ensure that every police officer working the street in this country wears a body camera.

We respectfully ask that you please keep your protests peaceful. Answering violence with violence is not the appropriate reaction.

Let's not just make noise, let's make a difference."

Oh, really?

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mlc, I was so angry about what is again going on in Ferguson

but did not know where to post, so did so under Crime and Punishment in the Forums. So much of this is so much malarkey. What right does this mob, and it is a mob, have to burn and loot from business people who have nothing to do with the verdict. Why does every 'peaceful demonstration' turn into a free shopping expedition for these thugs? So many of them are from elsewhere and have been in Ferguson for weeks. Don't they have jobs? Obligations? Or are they professional rioters (oops, meant demonstratiors). And don't give me that bull about these being disadvantaged, downtrodden people who feel so oppressed they have to destroy and steal. The business people they are burning out and stealing blind had nothing to do with what happened. As for the verdict, it was studied by a Grand Jury that was enpaneled long before this incident, so it cannot be said they were chosen because it was known how they would decide. The statement said they weighed all evidence and found many of those making statements actually knew no details of the incident. But, hey, don't let the truth get in the way of our right to 'demonstrate'. After all we have been here for weeks waiting for our opportunity.

What would have been the reaction if those who did not agree with the Simpson verdict had done what these lawbreakers are doing? And how much of a pass would they have been given?

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Mytmite-Protester thugs

I just found this and thought I would share it. This is how it is being done. Organized, paid for free legal help. This is what is becoming of our legal system. A systematic approach on how to create mayhem and then how to fight it in our courts.

http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-protesters-lawyer-scores-arrests-12041358...

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I am encouraged that you see the difference between the 'thugs' and those who are peaceably demonstrating throughout our country. Many Americans can disagree on issues - but isn't that what 'freedom' means. Under communism in Cuba - everyone votes - for the one candidate. That's not freedom. We have the 'freedom' to assemble and demonstrate peacefully. MLK taught that it is necessary to follow traffic laws and not block traffic. Some of todays leaders need ro look at his 'plan' book, IMO Back in the day, we were protected by the police and the Natl, Guard after the Bull Connors incident was broadcast throughout the world. Were you in LA after the Rodney King verdict? Some students who were arrested from USC were not 'black'. (The majority on that campus is 'white') Thugs would be an appropriate description for them also. Taking advantage of a situation for personal gain is what thugs do.

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I have always known the difference between 'thugs' and peaceful

demonstrators. The peaceful demonstrators are the ones who really believe in what they are demonstrating for. They march peacefully, the obey the law, they do not block highways, they do not throw things at policemen doing their jobs. They do not burn people's cars or businesses, they do not take what should be a peaceful demonstration and use it as their own Black Friday to loot and steal from business people who have done nothing to them. The 'thugs' usually come from somewhere else, they have no concern about the town or area they destroy, they do not care that they may have ruined someone's livlihood and possibly life. The are brought in from other areas to cause dissent. Just ask the locals, they will tell you that many of those causing the most trouble are not from Ferguson or whatever city that might be in ruins today. These 'thugs' for the most part have been in a city for weeks, agitating and waiting. They leave devestation in their wake and move on. Is there anyone who can honestly say they (the thugs) have the right to do this? Oh, they are depressed, they are oppressed, oh they are ----. There is nothing to justify their actions.
Wonder how they support themselves while they are there? Wonder how they can leave their jobs for weeks? Yep, I have always known the difference between a peaceful demonstrator and a 'thug'.

You are right, Americans have the right to assemble, they have the right to protest, they have the right to agree or disagree. They have the right to express thoses views. What they do not have is the right to burn, destroy and pillage. And that is the reason that the ones who do are thugs. Lowlife, despicable thugs.

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Thanks for sharing your opinion clearly. No disagreement here. In this situation, the peaceful demonstrators far outnumber the thugs - but the thug action gets higher ratings.

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All good questions. 120 protests are planned across the country coming up. We will see more of this lawlessness. We will see more theft, vandalism, lootings, fires and other forms of thug activity. And other groups will tag along and egg them on and contribute to this lawlessness. And we will then be expected to sympathize with them, we will be told they do it out of frustration and distrust of the system and unfairness in every facet of our government.

WE know it is wrong, WE know it is criminal, WE know how this "game" is played by the black community organizers. WE know the chief community organizer in D.C. will cluck, cluck about how we must be lawful. WE know where this is coming from and WE have started the process to correct it and WE will finish that process in 2016.

Law enforcement? How much restraint do we expect from them? My guess, not much more. I welcome their lack of restraint. I encourage their lack of restraint.

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WE know it is wrong, WE know it is criminal, WE know how this "game" is played by the black community organizers.

Marin Luther King, Andrew Young, Reverend Lowry are black community organizers and leaders. As Mytimite pointed out, their are young leaders today who appear to have learned the lesson of earlier leaders. They have preached non-violence and peaceful demonstration for justice. WE know that Micky Cohen, the Mafia, the Cosa Nostra do not represent the 'white' community organizers. Those who encourage criminal activity are CRIMINALS - regardless of the color of their skin. The 'game' is criminal acquisition of something for nothing. Since our founding, humans have paid dearly for 'freedom and liberty'. That acquisition is not a 'game'. I just wish that some who don't want to understand the frustration of being black in our country would have their skin darkened for a month and walk in 'our shoes'. There is a difference still today. Some have learned how to handle it - some haven't.

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Law enforcement? How much restraint do we expect from them? My guess, not much more. I welcome their lack of restraint. I encourage their lack of restraint.

That is all these people understand FORCE! Declare Marshall Law! Issue a curfew. Announce that people that break curfew will be arrested and looters will be shot! And do it!!!

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Earl-Eric Holder's Invite, Holder's Instruction

Here are his words, here is his instruction to law enforcement:

"In the coming days, it will likewise be important for local law enforcement authorities to respect the rights of demonstrators, and deescalate tensions by avoiding excessive displays-and uses-of force."

From the top LEO in the country, the edict was put out to police, sheriffs, National Guard and any others to stay out and let demonstrators go at it. The top enforcer of our laws tells everyone to stand down and step back.

Office of The Attorney General Monday, November 24, 2014 On the Conclusion of the Grand Jury Proceeding in the Shooting of Michael Brown.

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These people

there we go again. In my day, the law-enforcement used dogs and bully clubs. We've moved from that - and those people were really peaceful! The looting and burning - thugs (no other word fits that action) - but what about 'those' people (thousands) who did not resort to that ignorant/destructive behavior? Don't ignore those who are trying to use their first amendment rights (a representation of our diverse country) - as did our forefathers did in the Tea Party event. I posted my opinion of Ferguson in another post - Election Results. We are not looked upon as we were in WWII as a nation who comes to restore peace and justice - when peace and justice is not always demonstrated in our own country.

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Ah, DM, as much as you will hate it I have to sadly remind you

that this is "your day". You are living now, even though you continually dwell on the past. All of us have a past, some good some bad and some even worse. Many of our ancestors went through terrible times also. It is part of each and everyone's history. The difference is most of us take what happened to us and/or our ancestors and use it as a lesson and move on. I am beginning to believe you really don't want to move on. After all the rest of the rhetoric you manage a little paragraph about the wonderful life you are living now in Fayeville, all the time still managing to get in a little magnolia covered barb. You are a master at that. I think if there was not race to discuss you would be a very unhappy person--more so than you appear to be now. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving and remember to be thankful for all your blessings. I know I will be giving thanks for mine.

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Wrong Mytimite

I would be delighted not to discuss 'race' in America!! You may have noted that I do comment on other issues.

I thought that my actions in the PAST would help to erase that sad part of our 'history and today' from the 'news' around our globe! Having a camera on law-enforcement personnel as well as on law-enforcement vehicles protects law enforcement as well as all communities.

Canadian press and Mexican press are wondering why a political party and some Americans are not rejoicing that gas prices in the mainland are below $3; construction jobs are becoming plentiful; wages in some states are going up; college education loans are being looked at again; etc. etc. etc. . . . more young men and women who participated in war are coming home and this administration is being declared a failure? The globe is looking carefully at what the Republican majority will do regarding immigration and other issues that they have obstructed from being debated (both Democrat and Republican are at fault here). Will legislation proceed as directed in our Constitution? A bill on the President's desk will eliminate an executive order. Then the polls of likely voters may influence the presidents signing or veto.

My Thanksgiving was wonderful, filled with friends, family, - and grandchildren who called from college!! Yep, I love America and Fayette County!

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Gas Prices

Are directly linked to the price of crude oil,which the administration has no control over. I predict that we will see even lower gas prices when the next Congress approves the Keystone XL Pipeline and it becomes operational. Even better yet will be the possible lifting of the restriction of drilling off the Gulf Coast.

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For some reason, I cannot concern myself with anything the

Mexican press may have to say. As for more men and women who participated in the war coming home--just watch, there will be more and more going over there to once again fight someone else's battles--leaving us even more vulnerable to terrorists. As for immigration, in my book and many others, illegal is illegal--not undocumented or anything else. We do a disservice to each and every person for each and every country who is trying and have been trying for years, legally, to come into this country. Anyone who feels that the illegals in the country today will be willing once they receive the 'legal' right to be here is going to continue to pick crops, pluck chickens or mow your yard for a fourth of the regular rate is wrong. So agriculture and other businesses are always going to want the illegals here, to work for peanuts as well as pick them. And then, too, what happens after the five year ? time limit is completed? Of course they will not be sent back, after all they would have been in this country five years longer, had more children, gotten deeper into the community etc. And there will be all the thousands once more sneaking over our borders, so we can deal/not deal with the situation all over again. Band-aids are nice, but they only hide the sore, and protect it for a short time.

My Thanksgiving was wonderful also. Spent it with a large group of friends, white, black, latin, german, straight and gay. Everyone contributed their specialty to the meal and it was wonderful. Everyone was surfeited but happy and a good time was had by all. We do this every Thanksgiving and it is great for the people who cannot go'home' to their families in other states,countries etc,; we have in effect formed our own family for this holiday and the friendships carry on all through the year.

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Anyone who feels that the illegals in the country today will be willing once they receive the 'legal' right to be here is going to continue to pick crops, pluck chickens or mow your yard for a fourth of the regular rate is wrong. So agriculture and other businesses are always going to want the illegals here, to work for peanuts as well as pick them. And then, too, what happens after the five year ? time limit is completed? Of course they will not be sent back, after all they would have been in this country five years longer, had more children, gotten deeper into the community etc. And there will be all the thousands once more sneaking over our borders, so we can deal/not deal with the situation all over again. Band-aids are nice, but they only hide the sore, and protect it for a short time

I think someone here suggested that you re-read your contribution before publishing. You appear to have a wonderful group of friends. Why not run it by them to see if your words are actually expressing what you believe. Some see this as supportive of the current system. Some see it (a I hope) as seeking a REAL SOLUTION to the system that we have now that is almost like slave labor in today's economy IMO.

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I am not aware of anyone except maybe you who has suggested

re-reading my contributions before publishing. I do have a lot of friends and all of them are wonderful and special to me. Do you realize how dumb you statement is that I should 'run it by them to see if your words are actually expressing what you believe." I know what I believe, contrary to some other people, I do not need anyone to explain to me what I believe. I form my own opinions. Just what system is it that some of my views seem to support? And who are the some that beieve this or anything about my posts--do you mean you or are you sharing this with your friends and asking their opinions? I am just making a statement. I am sure any thinking person is aware that if not all, most,if they reach legal status, would seek other employment other than picking crops, working in chicken factories etc. Also, any intelligent thinking person already knows that those owning the fields and chicken processing plants do not want to lose this cheap labor and they are a big lobby. I would think I have made my beliefs well known by this time. But for those who still do not get it, here it is:

I am aware we are a county of immigrants. I am aware the Indians were here before us. I am aware we did not treat the Indians as we should have. I am also aware that most of the ancestors of people in this country came here as legal immigrants. I am aware that many of these immigrants who tried to get into this country were turned back because they carried communicable diseases or for other reasons. I am sure right about now you are ready to interject that many came on slave ships and yes that is true and something of which I am very aware. I am also aware that there are people in this country who would like to see the status quo remain because it is beneficial to them monetarily and otherwise to have cheap labor. I am also aware that there are many people here who have been hurt by cheap labor--individually owned construction companies, and all the other companies that go along with that industry. There have been working people all through the system who have been hurt by the cheap labor and there are people who have benefited. I have nothing against a person who is in the country illegally except for that fact. They are here illegally. They have thumbed their noses at our laws. About now you will say they want to escape a bad situation at home. That may be true--but it does not absolve them from the fact that they have gone about it illegally. This is a slap in the face to all those who have applied for entry/citizenship years ago and are still waiting to come in. What does it say to them when they sit and wait and watch someone who broke the law get into this country ahead of them? And what is 5 million people going to do to our Medicare or Medicade system? This financial burden will land in the laps of the different states and counties, in their schools, emergency rooms and the like. And all this while states and counties are unable to rebuild their infra-structure which is rapidly decaying, while schools will once more suffer overcrowding, while there will have to be additional classes needed to teach English. All these burdens will be dumped on the states and they can ill afford it.

As individuals I have nothing against an illegal alien, regardless of what country they are from. I do have a problem with a lawbreaker,for whatever reason. It is disingenious to cry that you have married and raised a family and now the government wants to separate you. These were your decisions you made while being here illegally. Your decisions and your decisions alone put you in this situation.

Quite lengthly, but since you seem to have not gotten anything I have said on this or any other subject I wanted to spell it out for you so there can be no question.

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Check a post by either Spy or SPQR.. . .and thanks for your detailed explanation of your thoughts.

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Yes, these people

I said declare Marshall law and tell THESE PEOPLE what you plan to do. The peaceful protesters can't control the rioters so let them know whats coming so that they can go home and be safe. Then deal with whats left.

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/11/25/hypocrites-ferguson-rioters-loot...

Why do you defend rioters that are destroying black owned businesses? Black lives? Is this the way to justice?

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Do you recall

The riot in LA - when the Chief of Police pulled ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT off the streets? The 'thugs' had free reign - and LA burned. It was obvious that where there was law enforcement presence - order prevailed - including at the urging of those protestors on the street who did 'try' to control the thugs. Where were the law enforcement agencies when the businesses started to burn in the 'black' community? Why would any law enforcement agency park a car in an unprotected area where 'violence' was anticipated ? ALL OF THE PEOPLE THROUGHOUT OUR NATION WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE DEMONSTRATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON DAILY - did not participate in the looting and burning. If your reference to 'these people' is to the criminals - fine. But from your earlier contributions, I don't think that was the basis for your words and thoughts.

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Why do you defend rioters that are destroying black owned businesses? Black lives? Is this the way to justice?

If that is your interpretation of my words - well that's your right to your own interpretation Mr/Mrs Earl E. Bird.

Why do you defend incompetent deployment of resources? According to the Governor - adequate resources will be available today/tonight. We'll see.

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If your reference to 'these people' is to the criminals - fine. But from your earlier contributions, I don't think that was the basis for your words and thoughts.

I really don't care what you think I'm trying to say. Talking to you always comes with a racial slant. I refuse to explain myself every time I use a general term simply because you seem to think that you have the right to be the defining entity. Peoples lives are being ruined by these looters and the "peaceful protesters" are providing cover for them to do so. Many of these businesses are black owned and you advocate pulling law enforcement off the street? You want to blame the police for a car that was burned because of where it was parked? Peaceful protest is a right. Providing cover for looters is not. Once things go south the good people have to get out of the way for the police to do their job and protect the property of ALL citizens. Many of these small business owners, black or white, may not be able to start over. Their lives will be ruined.

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Why do you defend incompetent deployment of resources?

Show me where I did this? Is this how you respond when you have nothing? You pull something from you know where? Oh I get it, you think I'm Eric Holder. He's the one that did that.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ferguson-missouri-emergency-announcement-fru...

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Oh Mr/Ms Bird: You have really misconstrued my words - but I will not let your 'general terms' go unchallenged.

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Peoples lives are being ruined by these looters and the "peaceful protesters" are providing cover for them to do so.

Are you serious? Who provides this 'cover' for criminal activity - the protestors or the incompetent preparation of law enforcement to protect the businesses in the 'black' community?

Your 'spin' is not new - but really, in 2014? Keep it up Bird. Tonight will be interesting. No one is fooled by the 'hands off' approach. . .or your interpretation.

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Talking to you always comes with a racial slant.

Do you really think there is not a 'racial' slant to this issue? REALLY????

Did you hear the Governor today? Did you hear the different opinions of those who are in this sad situation in 2014? Do you think that the dispersement of law enforcement was equal in the 'black' business community?

Where was the National Guard last night Mr. Governor?

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Anything but accept responsibility

DM...as usual, you and your brother Al and your son Markel and countless others continue to fan the flames of fools, thanks to the liberal media (retaliating for getting slammed in Nov election??). And as usual, you choose to ignore the facts...the facts returned by the grand jury, the testimony given by the officer himself, and confirmed by many of the witnesses. Perhaps you should tune in to a different perspective, one articulated by former congressman Allen West, and our next black President Dr. Ben Carson. This is anything but racial, except to the race wh*r**, who have to keep someting stirred up to be relevant. You and your likes are the biggest racists of all.

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If your opinion, as expressed, makes you feel completely comfortable with your view of this sad situation in our country - bless you. Nothing in my statement contradicts the grand jury decision. Nothing in my statement condones lawlessness. Those young (and old persons) participating in the protest peacefully are exercising their constitutional rights. This was done more than 50 years ago - successfully. Our country was founded by those who stirred up 'something' in order to obtain liberty and freedom. As long as there are people who take and condone actions that 'appear' to oppress - the American 'way' will be to peaceably demonstrate until correction in perception and law can be achieved. Let's all accept the responsibility as outlined in our Constitution and Pledge of Allegiance. "FREEDOM AND LIBERTY FOR ALL' - not just for a chosen class of citizens. (I've been called almost everything but a 'child of God' in this discussion - and if that makes one feel better - I'm glad.)

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Nothing to protest

There's nothing to protest! A cop shot a thug who was trying to kill him. The grand jury documents make perfectly clear that Big Mike was entirely responsible for his own death. Can't the peaceful protesters read? Anyone following this case has seen the video of Big Mike robbing a store and roughing up an innocent Pakistani clerk about 10 minutes before being shot by Officer Wilson. They've seen him flashing Bloods gang signs in photos. They know Brown's mother was recently arrested for clubbing grandma with a pipe over T-shirt proceeds. They've seen the video of Brown's ex-con stepfather shouting at a crowd of protesters after the grand jury's decision: "Burn this bitch down!"

Liberals Willing To Fight To The Last Drop of Black Blood

It's the culture of thuggery. Note to thugs: Don't attack policemen that are just trying to do their job and you probably won't get shot.

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You are consistent

Once again you spout nonsense without addressing anything that I said. Also, challenge my general terms if you so choose. It gives you another way to avoid the real points of the discussion.

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Where was the National Guard last night Mr. Governor?

Ask Eric Holder.

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Ask Eric Holder.

He will be addressing the issue. Your response is very intelligent and thought provoking. NOT!!! LOL. Have a nice evening.

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I responded to is what YOU said. When a grown human thinks that a 'racial slant' is not part of this discussion - i feel that is ignorant nonsense!!

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When a grown human thinks that a 'racial slant' is not part of this discussion - i feel that is ignorant nonsense!!

And the fact that you feel this way about every topic tells me volumes about who you are.

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So there is no mistake:

I am:
A women; African American; Daughter (Parents deceased); Wife; Mother; Grandmother; Great Grandmother; Educator by profession; Believer in a higher power (God); Community Volunteer; Church Member; Neighbor; A proud American who has seen great change towards the treatment of women and minorities in this country - and will take steps to see that we never return to 'the simpler time of the 50's.

Who are you?

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I'm just me.

I am:

A man, mostly Cherokee, some Irish that is tired of the people that think they are entitled to something. Divorced father that believes in God. I won't say higher power just to be politically correct. I believe in the one true God! Not Allah or any other higher power. A proud American that believes that this country is going down the tubes. I'm not special, there are many more just like me.

Davids mom
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Thanks for sharing Bird

I thought so.

Earl E Bird
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Which Part Nostradamus?

Did you already know? That I'm 75% American Indian? That I'm a divorced father? That I believe in God? And how did you know? Please share so that I may learn oh wise one.

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