FREE SPEECH for the week of Sept. 24 – Sept. 30

Free Speechers, here’s your “have at it” page again.

Post on topic or off topic or make up your own topic.

Here are some anonymous contributions that showed up in my email last week to get your pumps primed.

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I have some advice on how to fix our messed up schools and budget deficit. Don’t cut the teacher pay, but cut their extra supplement by 5%, start charging for school busses, collect all the money we are owed from the out of county kids who have been caught in our schools illegally and do NOT let them back in, quit letting kids go to different schools in the county with “special permission” as that is what messed up our schools to begin with, get rid of the senior tax exemption if they have grandkids living with them that are in our schools, and start charging the out of county teachers kids that go to our schools. Maybe even stop serving hot meals. Not popular decisions, but necessary to save our school system. There you have it, and the advice was free.

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WOW,WOW,WOW. I just got put in the group that doesn’t pay federal income tax. The group that Romney says he doesn”t worry about because we expect the gov’t to take care us. My wife and I paid income tax until our retirement. Our retirement is not enough that we have to pay income tax. Mr. Romney, you really are out of touch with the lower middle class. I get nothing, natta, from the government; never have. Mr. Romney, you need to go into the cities and go to the poorer areas in the morning. You would see thousands of people going to work every morning on the subways and buses. Most of these folks go to jobs that do not pay a living wage. Mr. Romney, many of the folks clean homes, cars, offices, and have more than one generation living in a small apartment and they need government’s help. These folks furnish the young to fight our wars. How much is it worth to you, Mr. Romney, to have the poor kids to die in war so that you and the higher class won’t have to? You just lost our vote. — Senoia, Ga.

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E-gad. Yet another, too lengthy, dissertation from that Mr Parker in Peachtee City. ENOUGH! Even the AJC limits letter, faxes and e-mails to so many words or less. His using The Citizen to hear himself talk (and voicing his political views among other things) is getting to be too much. Who made him king? I'm just about ready to just throw your paper in the trash when it shows up, because it is the same thing over and over (about the same stuff, from the same people). We are just WEARY of it. Must say, though, I love the editorial cartoons!

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Thank you for the excellent article by Derek Wolter. It was superb. Kudos to you for giving us a good dose of thinking print.

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Free Speech is free for another week — have at it!

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Message from Kevin King

I received a text from Kevin with the following message:

"Butt hole razored off my Obama-Biden sticker(included photo of the truck where the sticker was). You can tell these free speech haters that there are more where that came from. God help them if I catch them."

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RS, make sure Kevin is kept informed about the next coffee. ALL

of us would love to see him.

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Correction

It was not the truck it was his golf cart that was vandalized.

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Msg to KK

You ought to be ashamed of yourself to put ANY kind of sticker on that truck (if it's the one from your Daddy)!

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KK to AHG

Kevin wants you to give him a call. The truck is safe.

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Rolling Rock & Phone Call

I don't have a number to call--but he's got mine--or did have.

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AHG, I have his number but do not know how to get it to you.

I am sure he will probably contact you when he sees you do not have his no. if not let me know how to get it to you.

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Message for Hack

or Diva, or whatever he is calling himself these days.

Obama supporters (thugs) are much worse. They are the most hateful, destructive, vile people on the planet. A lot of them are threatening riots or causing harm to Republican candidates if Obama loses. So much for free speech, Jaggoff.

Vandal Keys ‘Obama’ Into 2 Cars In Alta Loma

Someone keyed the word “Obama” into two cars and slashed seats in another outside a residence that had Mitt Romney campaign signs.

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Anyone for a Romney-Biden administration?

It could actually happen and doing the math on the states/electoral college numbers, it isn't that crazy of a possibility. A 269-269 tie in the electoral college and the House then picks the Prez and Senate picks the vice-president.

Biden would rack up some serious frequent flyer miles as he'd be about everywhere except DC. "Looks like a 20 year old great grandson of the nephew of the King died....u need to make that funeral, Joe."

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The Senate could pick someone who wasn't in Wizard of OZ

Biden actually reminds me of all of those male characters from that movie. Had to pick one it would be Straw Man.

The Senate would probably pick Hilary, but there are many better choices. They don't have to pick one of their own, but they probably would. Lieberman, McConnell, Kerry, Reid, Snowe, Collins - they would all get nominated. Hey, they could even pick Obama - he was a Senator for a few weeks, wasn't he?

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Gremlin Growlers-PTC

I salute them! Was in the Peachtree Crossings shopping center today and stopped by there and got a couple of 320z growlers, Jailhouse Summer Wheat and Red Hare IPA. I'll get to the Red Hare tomorrow but I can say the Jailhouse wheat is really damn good.

Talked with one of the owners(Glen) there and he's a super nice guy. I wish them well and hope people will patronize the place because they carry some good brews that you can't even get at a place like World Beverage in Tyrone that has about everything else.

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Nuk & Beer

You're still missing the boat if you don't visit Johnny's Pizza on Thursdays and get 16oz Jailhouse Mugshot IPA for 2.95! And their thin crust pizza is pretty damngood too!

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AHG: Love their pizza

gonna have to mark that on my calendar. Usually on Thursdays, I'm hitting the Half Shell in Newnan for half price oysters and half price beer. A real win all-around!

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Can anyone help decipher PTC Building Code Variances?

Specifically: Article XII, 1204, 1205, 1206
Regarding: Required Documents for Variances

It is my understanding, after corresponding with City personnel, that the PTC variation application form does not indicate, which supporting documents are required for each type of variance, specifically..... supporting documents from neighbors that are affected by the variance.
I cannot find any information in the PTC code/ordinances/meetings that support the lack of neighbor input for 1204 administrative variances.

Can someone please indicate where this is located or referenced? Or are there no references?
There is a grey area here, that is not defined for the public, at least that I can see.

When I have read (and re-read) the application form and related ordinances, it was clear to me, at that time, that ALL of the documents were required for each type variance that the form describes. (there are boxes to be checked off, before the application form will be accepted)
Now, the recent information is that no neighbor input is needed to bring administrative variances to fruition.

What is needed for the form to be considered complete? Is it a subjective analysis of each variance application that determines the required documents?
Hopefully some of you can understand where this becomes unclear to me and why I am asking the specific question about the supposed required documents.
Lets remember the old saying....."Rules are Rules"

I also would like to point out the Article XII,1204 loophole here......If a 2012 homeowner was to build an oversized shed and place it in the encroachment area, without a permit, then sell the house, the next 2013 homeowner could apply for the same 1204 admin. variance, if caught, and get it approved.....
Most people do not question the exactness of the codes, that I know of and like to see construction since it raises the general property values.......
Your input is greatly appreciated and respected.

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Haddix: Variance

Maybe I can help some, since I sit on all the levels of variances.

We want to see your neighbors letters of approval for what you want to do. If they don't like it, that is a big problem.

We want to see your HOA approval, if you have one. We do not override HOA Declarations and By-Laws.

When we look at a variance, we look at your lot, what you want, how it fits, has similar variances been granted or denied in the past, what are the details of the plat for your development, deed, etc.

If it sets a precedence, it is almost guaranteed to be denied.

Now, as for your example, that is not accurate. We have required structures built without permits by prior owners to be removed, including parts of homes.

Building to build or increase a home value is not a reason, alone, to allow anything.

Does it make the property non conforming to surrounding homes? Then a no.

Does it improve enjoyment and value without violating wetlands, green space, the value of neighbors homes or the enjoyment of their property? Then a maybe yes.

The codes give guidelines, targets and goals, not exacting lines of detail to cover each individual request, which is impossible.

At the end of the process the decision can be a very clear yes or no. Rarely is it subjective.

Hope that helps.

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Can the neighbor's input be ignored by the City or

is it a requirement for each variance type to include all of the neighbor's input before a determination is reached by the city?
Is there a possible scenario, that would exclude this input parameter? The cloudy area to me, is what exactly is required for the administrative variance? Can there be documents excluded? Who makes that call, if possible? I cannot find this information in any PTC codes/ordinances or past council meeting minutes. The codes and corresponding variance application form seem very clear to me, but the information from City Hall does not support the rules.(i.e. no neighbor input required for 1204 variance)
I appreciate your knowledgeable opinion and I will agree with you, that neighbor input is quite vital to any variance process, since it affects them directly.
Thank you for your guidance.

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Subjective & Annexation

In all fairness to the mayor's backhanded slam to the 3 council members regarding annexation.
Look at the recent podcasts where city staff presented their findings.

Then ask yourself, are you better off 4 years ago when the mayor wanted to put Low Temp on that property and annex it as industrial near a shopping center, schools and ball fields or are you better off today annexing it as institutional and residential.

You can google Low Temp and Peachtree City and see the facts of what he was trying to accomplish.
It's all there for people to research and read. Unfortunately in today's political environment you need to fact check and there is now enough material available to check the facts.

Yes, its very subjective.
And time for this mayor to act like a leader instead of slapping city council around of which he is a member.

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Fot the record...

I would not have voted to annex the property for Low Temp, either.

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George Dienhart & Development

I am glad to hear that you would not have voted for Low Temp in that 77 acre location.

This might not be the right forum to ask this since the mayor politically attacks you every time you post here but I would like to hear your thoughts on building/annexation development and economic development.

New retailers are opening in Coweta and instead of getting a Kohls, HomeGoods and TJ Maxx on the west side on Highway 54 we are getting a huge 24 hour gas station with convenience store (aka robbery central).

Our villages have been renewed thanks to the shopping center developers at Peachtree Crossing and Braelin but what has happened on the west side with a RACETRAC is a real shame and needs to be avoided in the future.

Meanwhile, our city is not growing, population is aging, taxes are rising due to increasing costs and declining revenues. School enrollment is dropping and for 3 years we are burdened with no clear leadership or plan to grow.

So, if you were to run and become our elected mayor in 2013 how would you handle economic growth, as well as housing, instutitional and retail growth and annexation.

Also, how would you begin to repair and/or build our reputation in Atlanta with economic developers, many who may live here.

Maybe this is not the right place to ask you.

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Um, Larry. Mr. Dienhart voted against the annexation

and hasn't explained why he did - and you are suggesting he run for mayor? I don't think so. We just had a 3-2 vote for what most agree was a good move annexation to protect Peachtree City from uncertainty. Since the 2 no votes were Councilman Dienhart and you know who, I don't think it is time to start promoting him for mayor. Sure, he should have a chance to explain his no vote, but he hasn't. I'd love to hear about economic development as well, but he can speak as just plain old councilman Dienhart for now.

If the no vote is a product of a campaign promise that is along the lines of "All annexation is bad and I will never vote for one" then I'm concerned about his or anyone's ability to function as a councilperson. We need people who can process new ideas and see the big picture rather than the rabid anti-growth mentality which gets us lower uses - such as RACETRAC and occasionally some lawsuits. That's the last thing Peachtree City needs - some activist judge telling us how me must zone our property.

Anybody that says that all annexation is bad or all annexation is good is a fool, IMHO and not worthy of serving in elected or appointed office. We want thinking people who can evaluate each proposed annexation or rezoning or variance professionally and without political rancor or being aggressive and rude to the applicant or other members of council. That applies even when provoked by those who can't play by those rules, by the way. Is that too much to ask?

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Larry and Mudcat

Some interesting questions have been asked of me. This post will serve as both a council update and an answer to constituent questions.
First up, some have wondered if I am "anti-developer". The answer is no. I reposted a newspaper column I had published at the Fayette Daily News in Dec of 2010 (http://dienhartforptc.blogspot.com/2012/10/line-creek-and-kohls-1210.html). I was for the Kohl's development at Line Creek. In short, that annexation would have made sense because it benefited the people of Peachtree City. I urge you to read my reasoning, above.
The question that begs to be answered. Why no to the airport adjacent property? The were numerous smaller issues, but the two main issues boiled down to timing.
The development has a chance to be a beautiful place to live. My concerns were not with the developers- they did an excellent job in designing the community and the perks to the city. I have no problem with the city annexing land to control what is on our borders. This was also a good move, I agree with my fellow council members on both of these points.
I have stated many times that I believe we are headed into a double dip recession. The country's economic policy is not working. Economic growth has already ground into a near halt. If the President is reelected, we get four more years of failed domestic policies. If Governor Romney is elected, it's going to take at least two years to fix the economy. That means more problems in the housing market. More housing problems means more developers going out of business. Failed developers bring incomplete housing developments- near ghost towns of undeveloped and half developed lots. Will this happen here? I don't know.
The second issue was schools. The much heralded analysis by Dr. Bearden was based on the school boundaries as they exist today. Before we close 5 schools. The school closings will completely eliminate the "extra room" at Peeples Elementary and Rising Starr Middle school. This analysis was as useless as the paper it was printed on- it did not in anyway analyze what the situation will be like when these homes are actually built.
To me, these two things added up to a hold on developing this land. The only way to stop the development was a no vote. So I voted no. It could have just as easily been a yes vote after the school situation and economy are resolved.
So- the short answer is that I am not anti- developer. I am pro common sense development. This could very well turn out to be a wonderful addition to our city- it looks that way on paper. I just hope outside influences don't hinder the site in any way.
Another question recently posed to me was "If you were to run and become our elected mayor in 2013 how would you handle economic growth, as well as housing, institutional and retail growth and annexation."
I'll say that this has been coming up more and more lately. I don't know what I will do in regards to the mayoral election. It's still early. I do hear those of you that have asked me to run, and I am considering it, as promised.
Let's breakdown the answer into pieces.
General Economic Growth.

General economic Growth is a four legged stool. The first leg is a well managed city. We have the pieces in place- but we are not there yet. I have been working with staff to ensure that council gets the type of information that we need to make good decisions. There has been massive improvement in this area. I expect the improvements to continue. This leads to the second leg. The Budget. The days of Peachtree City's budget being driven by a constant influx of new property development are over. We are now entering a redevelopment phase. We need to find our way to balanced, no frills budget that will not break the back of Joe the Taxpayer. We do that by eliminating that which we do not need, and which the citizens do not desire. That may mean a smaller, leaner government It may also mean an end to popular perks, like the vehicle take home policy. The third leg is leadership. The political (and therefore accountable) component of our city government needs to lead from the front- not hide in the rear. Some of us are willing to do that, others are not. This is a problem that can be corrected by the electorate. I believe it will be. The fourth leg is redevelopment. We need to think outside the box to give tax breaks to those willing to redevelop older properties. Industrial, retail, or even a homeowner. If we take sitting properties give business tax breaks for new or innovative uses, everyone wins. We gain the benefit of their goods or services, and some taxes, even if some is refunded. Some will say this can't be done- I urge them to work with me, instead of giving up before we even try. We need to use every tool at our disposal to fill empty commercial space. I would also like to great tax breaks to those that buy an empty home in order to turn it into an owner occupied space. We need to help those who would move here and become part of our vibrant community.

Annexation

I am all for annexing land to protect our borders and development- when it makes sense and passes the criteria I laid out above. Every development is different, and must undergo it's own analysis. After council gets the facts, I would continue to vote for what is best for Peachtree City.

The Graying of Peachtree City

This is a major issue. We must continue to provide support to the older demographic, while we try to attract younger families. This new development will actually help in that regard, as will the Wilksmoor Villiage developments. I would be careful in where we cut the budget- trying to ensure we have enough in the budget to provide services for both of these important demographics. One way I would try to save is to privatize Kedron Pool. It is very expensive to operate and serves many people outside of our border.

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Right you are George, how right you are

except on the recent annexation. Let the school board worry about the classrooms and the bankers and the builders worry about the housing market and/or the recession. A no vote for that reason is as dumb as a yes vote just to collect some impact fees. But we can agree to disagree and move on because you are spot on correct about everything else.

Economic Development. Well, that stool needs to grow a few legs somehow, but you are correct. Most people combine 1 and 2 and have a 3-legged stool on the assumption that a well-managed city does know how to budget properly. I have been preaching the demise of the developer, loss of impact fees and becoming leaner and meaner for years. Hasn't been seriously addressed and ignoring it for a while longer is not a good option. And what can I say about redevelopment except that no one on council or staff seems serious about that. I would think that doing a needs assessment (One PTC comes to mind) solely focused on what areas need to be redeveloped and/or what new uses are needed would be a sensible start.

Annexation. Yep. 100% right.

Graying of PTC. Yep. Fewer kids, more seniors. Recreation needs and priorities are changing and some areas might have to be redeveloped with a new use and focus. Kedron pool is a great place to start because change of ownership and/or management is indeed a for of redevelopment. So is an aggressive user-fee program. Let's pay attention and keep up.

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George Dienhart

Not sure I agree with you on the current annexation since we already had 2 failed attempts to develop that property over the past 4 years, one was the ill-conceived LOW TEMP plan and the other a shopping center.

As for outsourcing the pool. The jury is out on the long term benefits of outsourcing...sure it moves an item off the expense side of government but private industry wants to profit as well. Companies will "low bid" a government project with the hopes of getting their foot in the door and/or raising fees over time. All outsourcing should be studied carefully over a 5 to 7 year period to be sure it stays financially benefical.

2 questions, which are crucial to PTC's future.
Should you run and get elected mayor:

1-what's your view on building consensus and a team approach vs digging in and fighting?

2-If you were to run and become mayor, would you view yourself as a member of city council or not? and do you see them as a political enemy to continually battle with including letters to the editor? (sorry, 2 part question)

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Larry

I don't want to outsource it, as much as I want to sell it. That would get us off the hook. I think the new owner should be eligible for some of the tax breaks I mentioned as well. This would not be done without analysis.

Consensus is always the way to go. It's how things are supposed to run on council. Most members of council understand this, and are willing to let the vote decide the issue without holding a grudge.

The mayor is a part of council- there is no disputing that. I don't feel any of us should have enemies on council. We all need to work together. Sometimes we will agree, sometimes we won't. After the vote it is time to move along to the next thing. An example is the vote on the annexation. I disagreed with the 3 of my peers, and we have all moved on. I even supported Kim when she came out for the ESPLOST. No grudge there, either way.

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Haddix: What is Council

The best way to clarify the roles of Mayor, Mayor and Council, Council and Council Members is to read the Charter:
http://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=11414
Subpart A - CHARTER
ARTICLE II. - GOVERNING BODY; DEPARTMENTS; APPOINTIVE OFFICERS

Mayor - Is not a Councilmember, has all the power and duties of the Councilmembers plus a lot more. Some include authority over Councilmembers.
Councilmember - There are four, not five.
Council - the four Councilmembers only.
Mayor and Council - can be collectively called "Council."

That is where it gets understandably confusing. If the full meaning, Council is only Councilmembers. In the collective meaning, which only regards issues we all have powers and duties over, it means Mayor and Council. Where it is Mayor only authority, It is solely Councilmembers, not Mayor.

It all depends on how the word is being used as to if the Mayor is included in, or separate from, Council.

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The other school of thought is

Per the Georgia Municipal Association website: Under the council-manager form of government, typically the mayor is primarily a councilmember who is first among equals and who serves as ceremonial leader of the city. In the weak mayor--council form, the mayor has some administrative tasks but is primarily involved as a member of the council.

We have a hybrid of the two- granting the mayor 13 additional duties:
(1)To preside at all meetings of the city council;
(2)To see that all meetings are conducted in a parliamentary manner;
(3)To preserve order and decorum in such meetings;
(4)To inflict such punishment upon any person guilty of contempt before said council as may be authorized by municipal ordinances;
(5)To see that all laws, ordinances, rules, regulations and resolutions of the city council of said city are faithfully executed and enforced;
(6)To appoint and be an ex officio member of all committees;
(7)To see that all funds are properly accounted for and that all revenues are properly and promptly collected;
(8)To inform the council from time to time of the general condition of said city and its affairs and recommend such measures as he may deem necessary or expedient for the welfare of said city;
(9)To inspect or cause to be inspected by one or more of the councilmembers of said city the records and books of accounts of the city and see that they are properly and correctly kept to require such reports to be made by such city staff and given to the council;
(10)To see that order is maintained in said city and that its property and effects are preserved;
(11)To convene the council in extra session as frequently as he may deem proper;
(12)To bind said city by signing any contract, obligation or other matter entered into and authorized by ordinance or resolution of the council of said city, properly passed in accordance with the provisions of this act; and
(13)To do acts and things as may be proper and necessary in the proper conduct of the affairs of said city and as may be hereinafter authorized.

None of these duties precludes the mayor from being part of council.

Additionally, our charter states:
The mayor and councilmembers of said city shall collectively be known as "Council of Peachtree City" (hereinafter sometimes referred to as "city council" or "council" and when so referred to shall be construed to mean the Council of Peachtree City), in which all legislative powers of said city shall be vested. (Sec 2.1c at http://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=11414)

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Haddix: No Councilman

GMA only says a first among equals for the Weak Mayor where they often rotate the Chair between Councilmembers, like the County Commission or our Committess, Boards and Authorities. They recognize their is a wide spread of government types in Georgia.

We elect the Mayor and are a hybrid of the Counci/Manager and Strong Mayor, not Weak Mayor.

In a true Weak Mayor system the Councilmembers usually serve as Department Directors due in small communities that cannot afford a City Manager.

There are 3 forms of government, not two. Those being Weak Mayor, Council/Manager and Strong Mayor. All have Councils and a Mayor.

Your list is not complete, either. The Mayor is also exclusively the CEO and Supervisor of the City. As such the City Manager reports to that office primarily.

Now, go back and read the whole Charter, where you see distinctions of offices. Note the words you posted, as in "sometimes" when referring to legislative powers. Sometimes is not all the time.

Council is the Legislative body, which is an area where we share authority and responsibility. But, you do not share CEO, Supervisor, and many other authorities and duties in that list with the office of Mayor.

So, no, the Mayor is not part of Council in every circumstance. In your areas of duties we are always Council. But in my area of duties we are not always Council.

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Yes Mr. mayor, it is confusing, I agree. We'll get someone to

read it and explain it. Don't you worry about all that. George is not going to mount a palace coup and take away your authority or control. The voters do that next year. Just put the charter down, walk slowly away. After all it is almost time for Happy Hour.

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Haddix: mudcat and confusion

Never said Councilman Dienhart was trying to do so.

But, that is not a reason to not give some clarity to the real facts.

A lot of people have decisions to make next year. Councilmembers Fleisch and Learnard also are end of term. The rumors are already flying both plus Imker are planning to run for Mayor. Dienhart said he is thinking about it as well.

As well, rumors are flying madmike and Randy Boyett are going to run for Council Posts.

Terry Ernst also said he is thinking about it. That was in the news.

Others are talking about running as well, for Council Posts.

For me, I have not made up my mind yet. Could run again and once more disappoint a few bloggers by yet again getting elected after being pronounced politically dead the last two elections.

Could run for something else.

Been a lot of requests to run for one, the other or one of two.

Next year will prove to be very interesting. On that I think we can both agree.

But until then, don't place any bets on outcomes. You and some others did that before and lost.

Enjoy Happy Hour.

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Haddix announces run for re-election

I thought it appropriate to reference back to this post where you were lecturing us on the fact that mayor is not part of city council and that you have many options coming into the new year 2013 to run for different offices.

So, you have decided to run for re-election! Congratulations!

Are you being endorsed by the Republican Party, Tea Party of Democratic Party? Curious to see which party will endorse you in light of the $12,000 funds you took from the taxpayers.

Regarding your debate on our form of government posted here, if each council member is elected AT LARGE, which means they are elected by the entire population of the city as the mayor, does that mean when something is voted and agreed upon by majority rule in council that this represents the true majority for the city?

If so (and that is my question), does that mean that after council elected to defund DAPC and hire Joey Grisham, you actively engaged in the disruption of our government under majority rule and proceeded to undermine those decisions which resulted in Mr. Grisham resigning. Also, going into the next council election, when you resurrected DAPC, after majority rule defunded it, you turning it into an issue again then actively participate in a disruptive way to sway the election to your hand picked candidates that supported you also interupted in our form of government.

All of these events occurred over a 2 1/2 to 3 year period while you were mayor and it had a negitive effect on the city preventing any positive movement of economic development.

I guess re-worded:

You decided to push your miniority opinion to actively disrupt the majority rule of government on the issue of execution of the economic development policy of Peachtree City and did so for the majority of your time as mayor of Peachtree City.

Am I connecting the dots correctly?

If so, this election needs to be about issues/policy, not about popularity or mis-information. If I am not correct here, please let me know. If I am, and I may be wrong, this is a major issue for consideration going into November elections.

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Zowie, Mr. Mayor -sock it to them - all 6 of them

So far you may be tied with Steve Brown as the worst mayor PTC ever had, but you are looking good on opponents - from your own post . Here they are:

Fleisch
Learnard
Dienhart
Madmike
Boyett
Ernst

6 of them - same as the Brown Clown had. Good deal. Any one of them are 10 times more qualified and much more mature than you. Hope they all run. What in the world are you thinking when you even imply that you are going to run again - before the $12k is paid back to the city? Or will it be paid back by then?

And "run for something else"? Please, please, please do.

And since you are an illiterate fool, I must post the quote of the day:
"Been a lot of requests to run for one, the other or one of two." This one mystifies me, it implies that more than just one pumpkin person wants you to run again or even for something else. Wow! Don't guess you would consider listing the names of your supporters on here, would you?

Hint, Hint

Bike
Diesel
Activeman

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RWM

Lets hope for a large number of candidates for mayor in the 2013 election.
I'm hoping to see at least 6 candidates this time around.

This time, PTC citizens need more choices. It also makes it more expensive to run so candidates will need to raise funds.
Candidates will have to be truly motivated and offer true leadership.
Raising the funds for support should not be a problem in the first round and then in the run off.

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Haddix won't be eligible for a second term

Imker and the others will expand the ban that people who owe back taxes to the city can't qualify for elected office. While it just addresses unpaid taxes now, the plan is to include unpaid reimbursements to the city for illegally diverted funds. I think it will pass 4-1. But even with that, I too would like to see many candidates step forward to replace the mayor.

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Mr. Haddix
Don Haddix wrote:

For me, I have not made up my mind yet. Could run again and once more disappoint a few bloggers by yet again getting elected after being pronounced politically dead the last two elections.

You can never underestimate the stupidity of the electorate.

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I like the annexation

Myself.

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Me too. Annexation good. Thanks council

It protects us from the evil-doers that would put a Racetrack or a manufacturing facility on our southern "gateway" entrance. We even get a big sign out of the deal. What's not to like?

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Duplicate

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Haddix: Input

Yes. We want to know the neighbors' thoughts unless there is very good reason to ignore them.

The Variance Committee, which is the City Planner, City Manager and myself makes the final call.

Glad to help.

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"good" is a relative and subjective term.....don't you think?

What my understanding is, at this point, is that the variance committee has the authority to override(or not even ask) all of the neighbor's comments, if they deem that they should be ignored.
In my opinion, the lack of clear, objective rules and processes, sets up a perfect opportunity for collusion to set in, depending upon "who" applies for the variance and "tells the story" first.
As an example, if there are 3-4 neighbors, that are affected by a variance, they would not be able to provide their thoughts, within this scenario.
It is then the person who applies for the variance, who gets their side of the story "heard", irregardless of the other comments that the other neighbors may have.
Wow....appears to be a slightly slanted and jaded process to me......comments welcome from everyone please.

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Haddix: Subjective

Yes, it is subjective. But, when anyone gets into government you learn very quickly that not all things can be reduced to a set of rules.

Zoning, variances, annexations and similar decisions are always subjective. That is why people are elected to make such decisions and why the electorate need to pay attention to who gets elected.

I always ask about the HOA and neighbors. When I first came on Council that was not the policy to do so, but I pushed it and now it is.

We have continued variances to get neighbors, HOA, etc. positions.

Even on an administrative variance it is required and we do not hold the meetings until that information is provided.

Look at the recent annexation that passed 3-2. I didn't hear one good reason to vote for it and the use of declining available property demands being job creation focused, for me. The member that pushed it hard sells real estate for a living. Another wants income, so the one times fees look good and another centered his objections around impact on schools. The other never really gave a clear reason to support it other than they liked this design.

Arguments of retail on septic were non starters. I am a Board of Health member and spray fields are not allowed in the County, so that was a fear tactic. Nor can you build anything of any density without sewer, else it would have been developed years ago.

So, yes, subjective, collusion and poor judgement are always risks. That will never end.

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Big Blind Special........

Thank you for all of your comments and insight to how the variance process is used in PTC. I understand the difficult and subjective part of government issues and that all scenarios cannot be black and white....
But I will maintain that the PTC codes/ordinances/rules that have been instituted should be adhered too, without individual subjective interpretation even being considered (i.e. required documents on a PTC variance application form).
I would also like to commend you on upholding the importance of HOA's and neighbor's input to ALL variances. This should always stand true, since the "old time" residents truly care about this city and want to keep it that way for as long as possible (this is why we have the codes/rules/etc....)
The PTC system is in serious danger, if people decide to subjectively apply the rules, as they see fit, on a case by case basis, ignoring statutes and ordinances.
I appreciate your statement "Even on an administrative variance it is required and we do not hold the meetings until that information is provided."
As I understand the ordinances/codes, the City Manager, Planning Admin and yourself (and/or a council member) need agree to the admin. variance at a variance meeting.

Now for the big blind special....
Would it surprise anyone that I have an interesting official document from our PTC City Hall that approves a 1204 variance without a date for a variance hearing or the signatures of all the variance committee members?
A very obvious attempt at skirting the PTC system without hearing ALL sides of the story before determining the outcome......If you are truly interested in the document, let me know and I will setup a Google Docs site for everyone......"How much more grievous are the consequences of anger than the causes of it."
Marcus Aurelius

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Crickets?

The lack of interest and action regarding the enforcement/application of the PTC codes and ordinances, as they have been defined by previous PTC "councils" has driven another nail into the coffin of my confidence in this city upholding its long tradition of higher standards. We cannot even execute the simplest of statutes......without collusion and side-stepping being the norm.
The interest in how this city operates is obviously not a concern, for most of you, since most Americans live in their own isolationist world and apply the basic thought "if it doesn't affect you....why give a hoot" attitude.......how sad it is to think that the people in this once great country, who use to come together under many different issues(not some partisan backed crapola) and rallied against the government to force them to execute the laws, as they were originally written, have turned away from basic common sense.

It is also a tragedy that the majority of Americans have slowly turned into a self-serving bunch of hypocrites......only concerned with who they can "blame" for the specific scenario at hand. (thanks mass media ;)

Just in case, you may find yourselves, in a similar situation, I will inform you of the following criteria, used to define misconduct by a public official:

-The offender was a public servant.
-The purpose of the act is to obtain a benefit for himself or another or to injure or to deprive another of a benefit.
-The act related to the public servant’s office.
-The act was not authorized, and knowingly performed without permission.
-The act can also include the non-commission of an act or a duty that the servant knowingly failed to perform and which he or she was obligated to perform under law.

"I have often wondered how it is that every man loves himself more than all the rest of men, but yet sets less value on his own opinions of himself than on the opinions of others."
Marcus Aurelius

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Post it up, Aurelius

I have a feeling I know what variance you are talking about but want to make sure before I cast further aspersions upon this public official.

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I agree, Aurelius -

post it up, let us know what you have found.

If you don't want crickets, then give us some information.

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No access at the moment,,,,,,,

I apologize for not having access to the files...
The Google Docs site is set up and will be loaded tomorrow.

The emails and official determination document are on my laptop at work and my mobile will not go back more than 1000 emails, so I cannot email to my home pc the information that is dated September 21 and earlier.

Update to follow tomorrow...hope all is well

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Aurelius - Time?

Can you give us a time range when this will be available tomorrow?

Thanks

PTCO

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Google Docs Site

Have at it!
Took longer to due to family obligations......sorry

Anyone can view or search this zip file......

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0Bz12KIBdeFd9N2k3aUxXVmppbG8

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Websmaster? How is it that AHG goes from

AtHomeGym to Aurelius blogger name above so fast?

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MLC, board names & variance

Relax, the variance process in PTC means nothing to me as I live out in the country. And you oughta change your brand of smokes--no board name change for me, your analytical tube getting weak!

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AHG-Ollie & Harry names

My, you sure woke up on the wrong side of your bed today, now didn't you. My most profound apologies for making a most regrettable mistake yesterday. I know you don't live in PTC. That is what I found confusing, when I thought it was you questioning PTC variances. Since I have obviously gone over my quota of making a human mistake for the month, I will just allow you to pick up the slack. Sorry to have ruined your day. My tubes are just fine, thank you very much.

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Obama at Al Smith Dinner

Not so funny. Tried, but not so good. Kind of like his last 4 years. Tried, but not so good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6g2YkTAYQ4

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Mitt Romney at Al Smith Dinner

He nailed it. Just nailed it. Listen below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIHbe-aO6oI

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Gathering at the Gazebo

I'd like to personally invite EVERYONE to the Gathering at the Gazebo event today at 2:30 pm.

The 3rd District GOP, Local GOP, local Tea Party and 9/12 Groups of the six adjacent counties are sponsoring the event “GATHERING AT THE GAZEBO – HEAR THE FACTS REGARDING OUR FUTURE.”

FREE EVENT - OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. Bring friends, neighbors, children, lawn chairs, and blankets. A child’s play area and free parking is available.

Speakers include Sen. Josh McKoon (R-Dist 29), Rep. Matt Ramsey (R Dist 72), Alton Russell (3 rd Dist GOP Chairman), Rob Doll (Columbus businessman and the Ga. Romney/Ryan Chairman), Marty Harbin (local businessman and 3rd Dist GOP Delegate), and PTC Councilman George Dienhart.

Location: GAZEBO IN FAYETTEVILLE, SE corner of Ga. Hwy 85 and Ga. Hwy 54 on Sunday afternoon, October 14, 2012 from 2:30 – 3:45 pm.

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Biden vs. Ryan

Rather than title this the only VP debate, I would have titled it: "#1 Reason for Term Limits--Watch This"

Why Martha didn't lean over and whisper in Joe's ear, "Wipe that smirk off your face and STFU", I have no idea. She missed her big chance.

Every time I hear Biden talk, I feel like I need to go take a shower.

Ryan is a cool drink of water. I, personally, like a guy with a cool drink of water. Ryan wins.

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Ryan wins, depends

Gotta agree with Krauthammer, If ya read the transcript it's a tie, if ya heard it on the radio Biden wins, if ya saw it on TV Ryan wins in a walk.

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CBS, Huffington (Shocker) gives it to Biden

However, CNN, AP, ABC, Reuters all go for Ryan.

Joe's maniacal laughter, snark and sarcasm didn't go over well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PCtemaHgjyA

Biden felt like laughing at the issues while Ryan looked like he tried to give some substance.

The Media ***gasp*** is actually reporting two major uhh... departures from the truth.

1. Biden said the Consulate NEVER asked for additional Security-The State Dept has already acknowledged that they did in fact ask for additional security on at least two different occasions.. He Lied.

2. Biden said that the Whitehouse gave to the American Public the information as soon as they knew it.. BUT..14 days after the attack President Obama was at the UN touting the Video as the reason and apologizing for it... The State Dept has acknowledged that Intelligence assets knew within 24 hours that this was a terrorist attack and the State Dept and the Whitehouse knew it, as well. He LIED.

Overall the snap polls last night gives Ryan the win... Will it matter..I don't think so. If you are still uncommitted today then you are one of the hopelessly confused that probably spends their days trying to figure out what letter Vanna is going to turn over next.

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I had it as a draw

Biden made some good points in the debate and obviously came prepared to try and clean up the disaster Obama left on the table, but he couldn't help himself when it came to showing anything resembling "class" or "dignity," as usual. When the bar is set so low for Biden and yet the media and especially the Dems accept him as the "spokesman for the common man," that's scary.

Why anyone expects a guy like Biden who has been busted twice for blatant plagiarism in his horribly failed Prez campaigns and caught lying over and over about his law school standing is beyond me. He does play the part of "drunk Uncle at the family gathering everyone wishes would shut up" very well, though.

Ryan seemed a little shaky for about half the debate then got rolling a little better but Biden made the points he wanted to and would have been a clear winner if he could have contained himself and not acted like he was either wired on coke or just a real jackazz.

Everyone remembers how much Lloyd Bentson's big zinger on Dan Quayle affected the race(none at all) and this was also a pretty forgettable debate, except for reinforcing the idea that Biden 2016 is a total joke.

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I'm going to miss Crazy Uncle Joe

If obumbles loses. I love the entertainment that crazy Joe provides. He looked like a nervous teenager caught lying. Even crazy Joe knows that obumbles has not one success story and they have no plans to change their failed economic "strategy" . His nervous laughter was maybe to distract us from the glaring failures.

Solyndra, fast and furious : Brian Terry's murder, cash for clunkers, the national debt that has continued to grow at a fast pace despite the economic genius tactics of our "community organizer" , the outbreak of violence in the middle east that took our illustrious "community organizer" and his illustrious cabinet completely by surprise, and cost an ambassador his life.. etc...
so many things to chose from....all of the green energy jobs..... oh wait there aren't any green energy jobs ...but, but, but, obumbles promised there would be tons of green energy "shovel ready" jobs. I'm so disappointed in our little "community organizer" I thought for sure he would have done a better job.

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Ryan

Biden made too many silly/sarcastic facial expressions, Ryan had him beat on "style".

Biden had the advantage of office and foreign affairs experience but Ryan showed he's made of the "right stuff" and proved that he could assume the presidency in case of emergency.

Both did well, but Ryan really helped to prove his ticket!

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Biden Claims He Voted Against Afghanistan, Iraq Wars

“I was there, I voted against them,” Biden continued. “I said, no, we can’t afford that.”

Then Sen. Biden voted for the Afghanistan resolution on Sept. 14, 2001 which authorized “the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.”

And on Oct. 11, 2002, Biden voted for a resolution authorizing unilateral military action in Iraq, according to the Washington Post.

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SL: He is confused

"Common Man Joe Biden" was getting his teeth capped and his hair plugs re-done and doesn't have a clear memory of his voting record at that time.

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Proverbs 29: 9

If a wise man goes to court with a fool, the fool rages and scoffs, and there is no peace.

Sounds like God knew what he was talking about...

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VP Debate

Think of it as a job interview.

Who would hire Biden after his on-camera antics?

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VP Debate/Cyclist

"""Who would hire Biden after his on-camera antics?"""

Answer, Barrack Hussin Obama, David's Mom,95% of Black America,
Majority of people in New York, California, Oregon, Washington State, Chicago, and other large inner cities...
in a sentence, Bigots who will vote for Skin Color over substance

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Qualla: You got it

The same people that have no problems at all with someone acting like a jackazz would gladly hire him. That's pretty much the Obama Administration and all of the incompetent liars he has appointed. They decry hyper-partisanship that their Prez started with "I won, you lost. Elections have results" ever since the results turned around entirely in 2010, yet applaud a blathering idiot like Joe Biden who has the gratas of a Dorito and have no problem lying for a week about Libya(and last night) until the media nails them on their BS.

Problem is: it's not like Romney/Ryan are that much better, but I'd rather trust the nomination of 1/2/3 new Supreme court justices and all the Cabinet/"czars"/agency appointments to them than the bumbling morons presently disgracing this administration.

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NUK, Romney/Ryan

is NOTHING but a further surrender of Freedom albeit more slowly...
A REAL choice in 2012 would have been"
Obama (Marx) Biden (Stalin(
VS
Jefferson (Freedom) J Madison (Liberty) ,,,

ANYTHING short of this ticket,, The IDEA of America ,,,looses (and odes those of us that hold Liberty ABOVE all else

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The thought

of having to look at Biden 4 more years for any reason, much less listen to him, makes it a no-brainer for me to give it to Ryan. I rate Biden about 6 steps below the proverbial used car salesman.

Ryan is even-tempered and is soaking this all up like a sponge. I see a lot of potential in him and think he will grow into being a real asset in the VP position.

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International Space Station - Tonight

Rising out of the southwest at 7:33P, almost overhead at 7:35:50 and sets in the northeast at 7:41. It is suppose to be bright.

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Last Night...

Thought it came over last night???

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S. Lindsey

In one minute.

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Yep saw it...

Came over last night at 8:33pm

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S. Lindsey

I didn't get to see it last night. I been out in Sheriff Joe Arpaio's area since Sunday.

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In town Cy?

Time for a coffee...

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Got in....

at 1400 today. Good to be home.

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On another note

The current Fayette County BOC appoints a committee to interview and make recommendations for a new County Manager once the new board is sworn in.

The committee consists of Steve Brown, Allen McCarty and the three newly
elected commissioners.

The first thing they do is ignore the 'public notice' of 24 hours required by law and hold a meeting in violation of sunshine laws.

First attempt at doing anything and they screw it up?

Get ready for the ride, citizens.

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WGST RIP
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Free Admission to all Ga. State Parks today
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Highway 74 Left Lane Drivers

Please move to the right lane when you see my Lexus crossover approaching from behind. I am an important and busy man (otherwise I would not drive a Lexus). I understand you have your own little lives and commitments, but trust me – your “goings on” are insignificant compared to my affairs.

If I ride your bumper and throw a snooty look your way when I zoom by, know that I am engaged in matters of the utmost importance which cannot be delayed.

Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

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Sorry Steve, I had no choice because of bikers

Have to use the left lane to avoid the bikers who for some reason ride in the street instead of the bike path which is 10 feet away and goes in the same direction. But since I drive a real Lexus (not just a crossover), am I not more important? Or do I have to drive it fast to be important?

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RWM - My guess is

you have never ridden a road bike? If you had, you would know why road bikes ride on the road.

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Old Man's Lexus

Not a crossover = old man's Lexus = not important whatsoever = outta my way.

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Old man's Lexus? Are you kidding me. I paid $80,000 for it

Good car and not an oldster's car at all. Besides, I have a beard and might have some tats. How about that?
I think you are doing paradoy here and that is fine.
Any chance the impatient, self-important and speeding Lexus crossover driver is an airline pilot?

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Old Man's Lexus

The other day I drove into Atlanta and had a Lexus crossover bearing down on my bumper and noticed the same behavior by one or two other Lexus crossover drivers; hence my conclusion that there's at least a weak correlation between pinheads and Lexus crossover drivers. I imagine the ride in your car is satisfying enough that you may not want to hurry, even when you should. Hardly an old man's Lexus.

I thought pilots generally were cautious drivers, at least that's true of the ones I've known.

Steve

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Electric Golf Cart Battery Safety for Everyone

There was an electric golf cart that caught on fire, due to an electrical failure within the battery compartment, near Battery Way Park this past Sunday September 23rd. It only took 17 minutes to go from a small fire under the seat to nothing but a burnt frame(I have time-stamped pictures to prove it). Our awesome PTC fire department quickly and effectively responded, as always, and ensured the safety of the public. The young teenage girl driver was unhurt but very shaken up.

Please understand that there is a chance that this could happen to your golf cart batteries, if left unattended.

The danger with golf cart batteries is that many require that distilled water constantly be added to keep the leaded plates submerged in the battery's sulfuric electrolyte. The other factor in this equation is that most owners don't realize that their golf cart batteries need this type of constant attention. The average cart is powered by lead acid batteries which are positioned underneath the seat. It isn't uncommon to fold back the seat of the cart and find all 6 (or 8)batteries desperately in need of fluid.

When batteries run dry, they can smoke and even explode. With each battery packing the explosive power of a grenade, the potential danger is a real threat. In order to prevent this, it is essential to check your golf cart batteries on a regular basis. First, there should be no corrosive phosphorus should be growing around the terminals.

Next, you'll need to remove the caps and check the water level. The water level in your batteries should be just below the filler cap's opening. If your golf cart batteries are completely dry, you should probably take them for maintenance. If levels get too low and remain low, there is a chance that the battery won't hold a charge or that it could be a potential fire hazard.

The other option is to replace golf cart batteries with maintenance free sealed electric golf cart batteries. This type of battery, called an Absorbed Glass Mat or AGM battery, doesn't require that distilled water be added. The acid in an AGM golf cart battery is absorbed by glass mat separators located between the lead plates. Because of their design, AGMs are maintenance-free, leak proof, and designed against terminal corrosion because there are no discharge tubes or filler caps.

Be safe and take care everyone.

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Cart Fire at Battery Way

Thank you for those words of wisdom. Many of the ten thousand owners don't have a clue what you are talking about, so maybe a dozen or so will check the batteries tonight.

Of course, there is no more scenic "park" right now in this city to start a blaze and smoke plume than at the Battery Way "park".

Just add it to the damaged fishing dock, the paint-peeling benches, the population of flies that swarm anyone who dares to have bite of food at the (one) picnic table. Oh, please don't put a cover on that garbage can, as all the flies would starve to death. Add the 10 foot tall weeds that block any view of the lake from any seated position. The bare clay, rutted promenade that you are able to enjoy along both sides of the path are a stupendous sight.

Funny, but for the first 45 years of this city, we didn't have the "excuse" of saving the shoreline from the dreaded weed trimming and mowing to preserve the the wildlife, now did we? My, my, how things have changed when we try to save a dime, oops, I meant save a duck nest.

The most scenic part of the "park" isn't in your view. It is the oh-so-pleasant wafting of scent from the thousands of dead fish that fill your nostrils as you glide quietly and peacefully over the one lane bridge to get to the lovely burnt grass of the golf cart carcass.

Now, let me see. Have I covered all five senses for us to use to get our full enjoyment of the "park"?

Sight..to numerous to list here...see above

Sound..of the ever present flies buzzing while you picnic

Smell..of the rotting fish and the odor of sewer coming out of the manhole cover along the side of the path there.

Touch..of the child next to you as they say, "Daddy, I can't see the boat in the water, would you pick me up?" Or, your significant other who elbows you and says, "Can you ever remember this looking so bad?"

Taste..of spring, summer and fall at the "park".

On a clear evening, all of this kind of dwarfs the magnificent view of the sunset over the water that we find so appealing, if only there was just that to focus on.

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Smell of smoke

Also let your kids know to stop driving if they smell smoke or melting plastic (may not be obvious to a teen). One of my batteries was defective and the battery case around the terminal melted. Fortunately we caught it before it leaked or caught fire.

Steve

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Hmmmm...New Chevy Volt AD:

Comes complete with batteries that pack the power of exploding grenades!

Excellent camping vehicle, the illuminating fire lasts for hours!

Since the Postal Service is so Profitable the auto industry was a logical next step! -GP

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So many cops at the Avenue?

So what was going on at The Avenue last night? (Wednesday) about 7:30. Just drove by on 54 but could see several patrol cars with lights flashing down by Books A Million.

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Cops At The Avenue

The rapper T.I. was doing a book signing session at Books A Million.