FREE SPEECH for the week of Sept. 24 – Sept. 30

Free Speechers, here’s your “have at it” page again.

Post on topic or off topic or make up your own topic.

Here are some anonymous contributions that showed up in my email last week to get your pumps primed.

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I have some advice on how to fix our messed up schools and budget deficit. Don’t cut the teacher pay, but cut their extra supplement by 5%, start charging for school busses, collect all the money we are owed from the out of county kids who have been caught in our schools illegally and do NOT let them back in, quit letting kids go to different schools in the county with “special permission” as that is what messed up our schools to begin with, get rid of the senior tax exemption if they have grandkids living with them that are in our schools, and start charging the out of county teachers kids that go to our schools. Maybe even stop serving hot meals. Not popular decisions, but necessary to save our school system. There you have it, and the advice was free.

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WOW,WOW,WOW. I just got put in the group that doesn’t pay federal income tax. The group that Romney says he doesn”t worry about because we expect the gov’t to take care us. My wife and I paid income tax until our retirement. Our retirement is not enough that we have to pay income tax. Mr. Romney, you really are out of touch with the lower middle class. I get nothing, natta, from the government; never have. Mr. Romney, you need to go into the cities and go to the poorer areas in the morning. You would see thousands of people going to work every morning on the subways and buses. Most of these folks go to jobs that do not pay a living wage. Mr. Romney, many of the folks clean homes, cars, offices, and have more than one generation living in a small apartment and they need government’s help. These folks furnish the young to fight our wars. How much is it worth to you, Mr. Romney, to have the poor kids to die in war so that you and the higher class won’t have to? You just lost our vote. — Senoia, Ga.

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E-gad. Yet another, too lengthy, dissertation from that Mr Parker in Peachtee City. ENOUGH! Even the AJC limits letter, faxes and e-mails to so many words or less. His using The Citizen to hear himself talk (and voicing his political views among other things) is getting to be too much. Who made him king? I'm just about ready to just throw your paper in the trash when it shows up, because it is the same thing over and over (about the same stuff, from the same people). We are just WEARY of it. Must say, though, I love the editorial cartoons!

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Thank you for the excellent article by Derek Wolter. It was superb. Kudos to you for giving us a good dose of thinking print.

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Free Speech is free for another week — have at it!

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Brown won't let those wascally developers get away with this

The Chairman knows how to ferret out sneaky developers who are taking advantage of us. When he was mayor his first act was to have a moratorium on all development until he could sort everything out and rewrite the rules. I expect he will do the same thing here. Can't remember what the beef was back in the city but here and now we have huge square footage, multi-family housing slid in a couple weeks ago and now big tall buildings.

I can't imagine the caped crusader letting this fly by - especially now that he has 2 or 3 yes men to do his bidding.

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No doubt, the SB supporters shouting anti development

Are curiously silent.

A total 180 by SB for sure.

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RWM

If you think this is the case, would commission not try to get this out to the public sooner?

Ms. Aisha Abdur-Rahman wrote a very good email that is in tonights package. If her information is correct, property values will go down. In addition, we are allowing Pinewood to do whatever they want in hopes of a cash cow. Yet we have no guarantees from Pinewood on anything.

Commission aint driving this ship, they are sitting on deck getting a tan.

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That was actually sarcasm, Husband

I was just pointing out another of his famous 180's. Put very simply - he was against everything and everyone that had anything to do with development and growth, including the road to nowhere that this thing is built on - until he is now suddenly for this studio deal, arguably one of the largest changes in county zoning since PTC was founded in the 1950's. Wonder why.

You are sure right that county commission is not steering this. Pace, Foley, the other guy are now in charge. Good PR campaign, guys.

I wouldn't worry about property values. Besides if property values on a few houses with large acreage go down, that will be more than offset by the vacant land within the 1200 acres which has already increased quite a bit in value. I'm sure that when the next mayor and council in PTC begins to understand this whole thing that they will get aggressive on the east side of town and annex as much as they can before Fayetteville does the same thing. PTC annexing eastward will protect our values and tax base which would be good. Fayetteville annexing to our eastern border would probably decrease our values and that would be bad. The only way we can lose in PTC is to put our collective head into the sand and pretend nothing unusual is happening.

This all leads to some real good questions to ask our multiple candidates for mayor and city council. If they understand what I wrote in the preceding paragraph and agree it is worth considering and planning toward- then consider voting for them. If they don't understand the economics of an eastward annexation or worse yet take a firm stance against annexation anywhere at any time - mark them down as lightweights not deserving of your vote.

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RWM

Its the 180 I still have yet to grasp. There are no guarantees from Pinewood. None. Yet the political lightweights keep giving and giving.

Just a few short years ago, most on commission were meeting with the residents in this area fighting to kill the road and save our pristine land. Its like they turned their backs at the first sign of a dollar on the street tied to fishing string that Pinewood keeps luring them to.

Personally I am not worried about property values, though I do feel for the lady, who like me, feel like we are being hoodwinked into the dream.

If it were me, the Cancer Treatment Center in Newnan would have been a better fit. Close to the hospital, high paying jobs, ect... The cancer center is now in the process of expanding after 1 year. Talk about lost opportunity.

I am going to lay low on PTC politics until everyone announces their intentions. Like Mr. King, I think more are going to announce. If GD doesn't revisit his mayoral run and gives up his seat, Im afraid he could be left out. Vanessa is gone and the mayor is toast. Not sure if JB really understands the work involved and the burden on his young family. Hopefully we will see more announce soon.

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Tim Hudson

our prayers are with you.

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Obama shows up stoned

In the WH press room unannounced. Right after the Congressional Black Caucus meets with DOJ , Barry saunters in with big grin on his face.
Check out the video from the moment he walked in and scared the crap out of the press corps who have never experienced him do this before.
This is the Haavahd Barry, the Joe Cool Barry, just enjoying himself at the expense of a man who spent 17 months of hell waiting for his day in court, only to be found guilty again after a jury verdict of not guilty in a court of law.
Look at Barry's eyes, his demeanor, his whole attitude. How can there be any question that this country ever made a mistake twice at the polls.
Yes Barry you ARE Trayvon.

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Yep, MLC, that jaunty saunter out, that grin and then he becomes

sober and -could have been me, blah, blah, then back to the grin and all fun and games. The only statement he made asking the nation to respect the jury's decision was released by e-mail. Is he for real? Has he actually shown a real emotion since he has been in the White House? Now will come another investigation, ad nauseaum. The man was acquitted by a jury chosen by both the prosecution and the defense, let it be before we end up with rioting and destruction all over the country. The latest Time magazine said that blacks make up 13% of the nation's population but more than half of America's homicide victims and culprits were black in 2011. Where is the uproar over this? Where are the Sharptons, the Jacksons and all those marchers?

In another article in that same Time magazine by long time Philadelphia Mayor Nutter (an African American), he states in his city 75% of homicide victims are black men and about 80% of the people arrested for homicides are black men. He goes on to say that black men across the country are killing each other and yet that epidemic is rarely the part of any national conversation. Again, where is Jackson, Sharpton and the rest? This, to me, is the travesty.

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It's only an issue if a Cracka does it...

...other then that I think it is just their version of extended Abortion policies.

Because obviously it doesn't mean much to them...

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mytmite Rev. Al is going to be

on the ferris wheel downtown tomorrow. You know, that 58 year old married Baptist minister who has been shtunking a 35 year old not wife while he has been writing his book coming out this fall that will brag about all the shtunking he has done to other than the current recipient and the wife of over 25 years.

Rolling Stone is reporting he will be in the VIP car of the ferris wheel and will be sipping champagne and yukking it up with Aisha and the local Rev. Markie Hutchins as the masses stroll by. If any of them want to ride with them there will just be a small $13.95 fee to get up close and personal.

Jesse will be hanging out at the water fountains in the park and will baptize any female under the age of 75 who will smile and wink at him as they stroll by. For a love token of just $22.50, of course.

Black men killing each other? Say what? In Philly and Chitown? Why, they just don't have time in their day to even give that silliness a thought. Too much to do, so little time.

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Ah - the numbers game - Mytimite

The percentages represented here are mainly black on black crime. Are you saying that you are unaware of the cry in the black community of this travesty? Are you saying that Sharpton and Jackson and other black men and women are not addressing this horrendous daily occurrance that is happening in black communities throughout our nation? Well, maybe you're reading and listening to the 'white press' - Pick up a black community paper and see what is happening and read about the murders, ususally gang related, that are happening in urban areas in the black, brown, and Asian communities in urban areas.

Quote:

he states in his city 75% of homicide victims are black men and about 80% of the people arrested for homicides are black men.

How many of these homicides are reported in the main media? Do you think that human beings who live in these communities do nothing to try to stop this? You are wrong. There are many citizens and law enforcement who are trying to stop this devastating activity. Too many innocents are killed on the streets in our urban areas. The press focus is on Sharpton and Jesse - but there are many, many more out there risking their lives on the urban streets of our country - yet we're cutting budget for law enforcement, we're cutting budgets for recreation activities, and it appears to some that we are celebrating in some discussions the killing of 'another black thug'. Guns are collected and seized - and the next day, more illegal guns are on the streets. - These guns are not sold to 'hunters' or citizens who want to protect their person and property - these guns are SOLD to criminals. Yet we don't want to give law-enforcement the tool to confiscate unregistered guns.

I know I won't change many minds in this discussion - just wanted to share another point of view.

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Ah, DM, you are so predictable. I am sure the people who live

in the areas where these crimes are being committed are trying to do what they can to change the status quo, what I am wanting to know is why Sharpton and Jackson are not running to these cities and taking to the streets with their horns. Why are they not using their time and energy to try to save the thousands of young black men who are being lost every year? It definitely is suspect when they pounce on one event when it includes a 'white' person (who, by the way is usually not considered white--but guess here it suits their purpose). As for the numbers game--I feel that is something we all need to see in print. Yes, I was aware that most of these are black on black crimes--that is what this mayor was stressing. Isn't that even a greater travesty? I don't have to read 'black' newspapers to see the statistics; they are in enough of the papers, magazines etc, I do read as well as on the news day in and day out.

I read in one of your other posts that 'cracker' was not necessary derogatory. Come on, even you couldn't possibly believe that--I am sure this young man (not little boy) was not referring to a remark from slavery, he probably has never heard that reference --ah, but what a chance to get that word in--that word that has a permanent place in any of your posts. When he said 'creepy ass cracker' that is exactly what was meant. You know it and I know it as does anyone else black or white who heard the context it was used in. But, if it is okay to use words that were used in days of slavery, then I guess it is okay to refer to African Americans as 'darkies' or any of the many other words from that era.

Of course you will read this and skew it as you usually do--but that is expected. You are predictable if nothing else.

p.s. Laugh of the day---Urban dictionary says crackaa is a term of endearment from one black to another. Guess Trayvon was just showing his love by your definition.

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Mytimite

I'm not skewing - but sharing my point of view as an African American. When the witness was asked if 'cracker' was used in her community as a racial derogatory word - she answered based on the history that she was aware of of the word. Because you are not aware of the history of the word - and it has been used as a derogatory word towards 'white' people in many instances - is because in her community and contacts - white people have been in authority and are crackaas. Believe me, there are plenty of other derogatory words used in inner city communities that are far worse than that word when denigrating 'white' people. Because you don't know the history of a denigrating phrase - doesn't mean the history is false. She answered the question correctly. This word is used in 2013 daily - and we don't have slavery today - so stop acting as if African Americans are only referring to the denigration of slavery. Darkies from that era? Do you believe that the term is not used today? Really? How closed mind are you if you cannot accept that others have a different opinion than yours? Sharing with you is frustrating because you can't listen to another opinion or concept that is different from the one you have based on your culture and experience. Some blacks use the word 'nigger' affectionately also. Has nothing to do with 'slavery'. It has to do with taking the sting out of the word - because it is used in 2013 to denigrate. Some whites have used the word 'redneck' as a term of pride - but there were other cultures who used it in a derogatory manner. Anyway, we will never change one another - and I only take the time to respond to you for the benefit of sharing another point of view based on my experience - which is different from yours.

As for Jackson and Sharpton - they have not been in the 'black' communities trying to stem gang activities? Really? One advantage that I have is that I have access to 'minority' media as well as the 'conservative' and main press. Believe me, they (Jackson and Sharpton) are working with the political leadership in those areas as well as the church leaders. What is your experience living as a black in a gang infested community? Who is working in 'your' community to assist with the guns that are getting into the hands of mentally ill 'white' citizens? Maybe if citizens would start working together instead of 'taking sides' and only seeing fault in the 'other side', something could be done to solve some of these problems.
Thanks for sharing.

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DM, second verse, same as the first. No, you do not answer

people's posts to 'share'. You post to espouse the same old tired tripe. Just about everyone on this site is on to you. When you stop with your usual claptrap then perhaps people will not seem to be taking sides as you usually accuse them of doing. No, I have no experience living as a black in a gang infested community or anywhere else; but I am sure you have; as you seem to have been everywhere and done everything---I actually expect someday to hear that you were one of the survivors of The Titanic. As for Sharpton and Jackson, they are all out for themselves and are there for the publicity and what financial gain they can garner. Anything they do is highly publicized so I am sure any efforts they may have made/are making to improve conditions would be widely touted.
As for working together, you are one of the most devisive people on this site.

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Mytimite

Thank you for your input and your expression of understanding another's point of view. The group of people that I have had the privilege of meeting here in Fayetteville have taught me a lot - and I have gained great understanding from their point of view. We do not have to 'argue' to be understood - and understanding does not necessarily mean agreement. Unfortunately, too many people think the expression of the African American's experience in this country is 'clap-trap'. Fortunately, the generation of my grandchildren do not. You represent the generation of Paula Dean - and many understand that. No need to argue. Disagreement noted.

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Haddix: Clarity on Some Comments

Spyglass, You can contact whomever you wish, but I will see the email. The Mayor (CEO and City Supervisor) and City Manager (Chief Administrative Officer) have issues like this as part of our jobs. It actually makes the flow smoother if it starts with me or the City Manager.

NUK, any such issues concerning the City, please do send to me.

Mail to:

Don Haddix
Mayor of Peachtree City
151 Willowbend Road
Peachtree City, GA. 30269

Or attach to an email to me.

Either way it will be properly handled.

Doing it this way also removes any doubt anyone could possible have about it not being dealt with properly. But I can assure you the Interim Chief does not ignore any such complaint.

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Thanks for the smart arse reply

I expect nothing else.

Have a nice weekend.

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Haddix: Actually

It was a very factual answer on how things work.

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He just hasn't been himself

since the 11 buckets of fresh marijuana were seized story showed up in The Citizen.

Have a nice weekend.

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16 short weeks, spyguy. Hang in there

16 weeks until election day and since I have 3 trips planned during that time - I am sure the weeks will just fly by.

This November will be a turning point for the city and I really am looking forward to it. Next November (2014) is more of a turning point for the country as there is some real hope of getting the Senate back. I suspect many incumbents are going to retire rather than be booted. The lessons of California and Detroit are very valuable to the semi-literate, knee-jerk Democrat voter and he and she may convert. Or they may be so hopelessly stupid that they will continue voting themselves welfare and other goodies that can't possibly be paid out for much longer. We'll see.

But, first things first. 16 weeks until we get our city back. Then we can start using that hotel/motel tax money for business development. Maybe build some rental housing for the thousands of Pinewood employees.

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PTC Fire Department

First of all let me say that I admire the men and women of the PTCFD but what I witnessed this morning gave me concern. I was leaving my subdivision this morning about 8:20 and was coming up on the crossroad before you exit the SD. This crossroad has a stop sign on the side roads but not the main rd. The fire truck was approaching the stop sign and I expected them to stop, but no, they blew thru the stop and pulled right in front of me. I continued on behind the truck as they were going the same way that I was headed. Going down the Pkwy I pulled up behind them just to see how fast they were going as it seemed that they were going in excess of the posted 40mph, they were traveling at 52mph.
My question is don't the men and women of the PCTFD have to follow the same posted laws that you and I have to. They were not headed to another emergency, they were heading back to the station on south Ptree Pkwy. Someone at city hall needs to address this as these are public servants that like the PTCPD should be held at a higher standard as they are one of the most visible parts of our fine city. The old adage still stands, slow down the life you save could be your own.

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I would contact the Fire Chief

Directly if I had a concern. I too think they do a great job.

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Interim fire chief

Well, let's hope this one is better than the last. The complaint I filed with the last one about an employee turned out to go nowhere, as I found out he was sexually harassing her and she was only being kept around for his sicko kicks. Other than that, yes, they do a great job.

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LongTime,

Please email me with the details and I will follow up on the issue.

If you know, please advise the truck number or Station number, which are on the vehicles.

dhaddix@peachtree-city.org

I will include you on my correspondence with Staff, but I need more than an anonymous blog contact for issues like this.

Our Safety personnel are indeed some of the finest in the nation. But occasionally mistakes do occur and sometimes there is a good reason for what happens.

Thanks.

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Hey Don: Would you like the info on a PTCPD cop in Newnan?

He's still tailgating people an inch from their bumper and going around 75-80mph on Hwy34 in Coweta, all while changing lanes rather erratically in his PTC patrol car. Loves to tailgate everyone on Lower Fayetteville Road in Newnan on his way home, even if they are exceeding the speed limit.

I've had enough of this guy's BS. He lives in Timberlane subdivision in Newnan and I posted about this a week ago here, but after observing him again yesterday, I'll make it more formal than just throwing it out on The Citizen. This guy is beyond aggressive driving and I guess it's because he's in a marked car and thinks everyone else won't notice that it's a PTC squad car and not Coweta/Newnan, so he can just go wild.

This guy is an azz. I'll send the letter via postal mail. I might can get some pics this weekend even if he goes out and about.

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Detriot - Chapter 9 Bankruptcy

Gee, I wonder how they're going to satisfy the pension obligations which are currently under-funded by $3.5B?

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Cy, they could...

...ask the UAW & other unions that drove the industries into the ground to give some back...naw, let it rot...

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Kc - Detroit

Last gasp.

Lets see if Obama steps in with our money.

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Well, Cy...

...he kinda already did w/ the GM bailout, as Bush did w/ Chrysler. Amazing power of the UAW, huh?! At least the Germans got a deal in the end...

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A Memo to Canongate golf club management

Seems some wimp, low testosterone management person has decided to lift his hind leg and stake his territory at the clubs here.

The new (very cheap looking, I might add) signs popping up at every intersection with the city paths with the threat of "No Trespassing....blah, blah, blah..." are just so terrorizing, I had to stop my cart, lower my heart rate and whip out my weapon as I went by to protect myself from any violators.

Back in the day, signs used to be worded with courtesy, the design was reflective of the green lifestyle of PTC, and they were innocuous, but to the point.

This is what the new Canongate is all about? Guess with the record profits they are experiencing and the more than 100 new management contracts they are going to sign on to their portfolio this year, their brass feel they have PTC at their mercy. It's a shame they couldn't turn some of that money back to club members as lower fees or as improvements that actually improved their "brand", instead of cheapening it and threatening the population.

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Obama's $100 Million African Family Vacation

A fully staffed medical trauma center on a US aircraft carrier that will be sent to the region.

Military cargo planes will airlift in 56 support vehicles, including 14 limousines and 3 trucks loaded with sheets of bulletproof glass to cover the windows of the hotels where the first family will stay. Fighter jets will fly shifts, giving 24 hour coverage over the president's airspace.

Sniper teams with high-powered rifles that will shadow them on a safari in Tanzania, ready to kill any animal that becomes a threat. (Oh whew, that last one got cancelled for a trip to Robben Island where Mandela was imprisoned.)

Meechele's mommy (you know, the one who is really raising the girls) is going, her niece Leslie Robinson is going.

First doggie Bo and Joe Biden were not invited and are spending the week with together getting their hairs trimmed ( a mere $2,963. for Joe, $6,241. for Bo) and will be marking their territory out in the back yard. (One of them will, you get to pick). The other will be practicing how to be the grand marshall in the 4th of July parade on the Mall (again, you decide).

Eric Holder has left for Mexico to pick up some really, muy bueno firecrackers and bottle rockets that he plans to set off in a most Fast and Furious way on the 4th in the yard of the home next to Supreme Court Justice Roberts estate. Cost to the taxpayers for the above? A paltry $473,000 (if you include the 6 newly unemployed board of directors of the now defunct buyyourfakevoteridcard. com he will take along with him).

Me? I'll be right here making an idiot of myself. Cost to taxpayers? Priceless.

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McAfee Site Advisor.

All of a sudden, starting this morning, McAfee Site Advisor is warning me that this is a dangerous site. You don't suppose they've been reading the content? McAfee message follows:

This link might be dangerous. We tested it and found security risks. Beware.

Website Category:
General News, Malicious Downloads, Malicious Sites

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Chelsea Chaney

It seems to me that the BOE has three(3) options (1)be a defendant. (2)negotiate a cash settlement or (3)counter litigate for harassment.

I'm betting on 2. Hope I'm wrong.

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SPQR - Chelsea Chaney - I disagree, I hope they fight it

I would love to see her try to justify $2 million in damages to a jury.

Plus, based on the 4 point test I have outlined elsewhere in this string, I'm of the opinion that is falls under fair use. Her lawyer seems to think that it is blatantly and obviously unethical and illegal.
1) the use was for educational purposes, not commercial gain.
2) It wasn't a previously unpublished work, like a private letter. It was on an open access facebook account, so there is no expectation of privacy. Nor was it a creative work, which usually gets more protection. It was a "non-art" vacation photograph.
3) I'm sure the entire photograph was used so may be some issue there. But I didn't see the presentation, might have been a cropped, edited or a low res version used.
4) The commercial value of the picture hasn't been compromised. There was arguably no commercial value in the first place since she published it on a an open source where anybody could have copied it.

She has no more standing to sue the school for copyright or privacy infringement than snoop dog has standing to sue her for the same thing. Didnt she take a picture of the snoop dog image and post it on her website without permission? She did the exact same thing with that cardboard cutout she is accusing the school of doing. What a hypocrite. And DM thinks she is courageous. If she sues for 2 million and wins I hope snoop dog sues her for 2.1 million.

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renatul

back in 1960 my high school buddy had a Renault. I digress. I would really like to see her "lawyer get spanked for trying to take advantage of a distracted school board and make a few bucks by getting out of their hair.

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FCBOE in trouble again!
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Stupid Adminstrator

I noticed that they never name the "administrator" that made the decision to use this lady's picture without her permission. If that person is so stupid as to make this type decision they need to be fired!!!! I do not want that person making high level decisions for the BOE on my behalf.

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Is that Snoop Dog?

She is an attractive young women and very courageous. I hope all young people get her important message. The outcome of the law suit will be informative and possibly precedent setting.

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I dont think its courageous

to get upset when a few dozen people see a picture of you in a swimsuit that anyone on the planet could have seen anyway and then claiming $2 million dollars worth of damages. I think its opportunistic and low. She doesn't even go to Starr's Mill anymore. In what way has her life been ruined? In what way has her professional life been compromised? Was she fired from her job or something? No. Since the incident she has started going to UGA and is still there. Exactly what wrong is 2 Million of your taxpayer dollars going to right for her? The only reason this story is still in the public eye is because she keeps talking about it. She could have complained to the administration and had the technology director censured or disciplined in some way. that would be the end of it. but now, if you do an image search for Chelsea Chaney, its all over the internet. That is her doing. not the school systems and it wouldn't have been there at all if not for her trying to soak the school system for some cash. I see bad decision compounded by more bad decision, many of them hers. I fail to see the courage here.

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I just placed the young lady's name into the Citizens search engine. The first item displayed was for her participation in the Ms. Starrs Mill Pageant. This is an event where the ladies prance in front of everyone in casual and evening wear.

I'm not sure how much sympathy she is going to get when it appears that she likes the spotlight.

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I'm no attorney

I am not an attorney, but I will play one tonight. I believe the editor of the training session used poor judgement not getting prior approval from the young lady and her parents before using a local child's photo.

However, I believe the Internet is open game especially if the profile was open for all to see. The instructor was only trying to make a point.

The photo was obviosly taken as a joke with her wanting to show off to her friends. The girl was probably teased for a few weeks, but if the profile was accessible to everyone in the world, then the lady learned a simple lesson that will probably last a lifetime. I think she and her parents need to take responsibility for her actions ask for an apology and move on with life.

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However, I believe the Internet is open game especially if the profile was open for all to see. The instructor was only trying to make a point.

I think this is true as far as being able to view the picture but not for reproduction and/or distribution. For example you can go to You Tube to view video's but you are not allowed to make copies for distribution without permission. Someone made a really bad decision and we may have to pay for it.

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copyright law and fair use

from the columbia law library website
What Is Fair Use?

To determine whether you are within fair use, the law calls for a balanced application of these four factors:

the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
the nature of the copyrighted work; the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
These four factors come directly from the fair use provision, Section 107 of the U.S. Copyright Act, and they have been examined and developed in court rulings. The following summaries explain the significance of the factors as they relate to many university needs.

Factor 1: The Purpose and Character of the Use
The fair use statute itself indicates that nonprofit educational purposes are generally favored over commercial uses. In addition, the statute explicitly lists several purposes especially appropriate for fair use, such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research. These activities are also common and important at the university. But be careful: Not all nonprofit educational uses are “fair.” A finding of fair use depends on an application of all four factors, not merely the purpose. However, limiting your purpose to some of these activities will be an important part of claiming fair use.

Courts also favor uses that are “transformative,” or that are not merely reproductions. Fair use is more likely to be found when the copyrighted work is “transformed” into something new or of new utility, such as quotations incorporated into a paper, or perhaps pieces of a work mixed into a multimedia product for your own teaching needs or included in commentary or criticism of the original.



Factor 2: The Nature of the Copyrighted Work
This factor centers on the work being used, and the law allows for a wider or narrower scope of fair use, depending on the characteristics or attributes of the work. For example, the unpublished “nature” of a work, such as private correspondence or a manuscript, can weigh against a finding of fair use. The courts reason that copyright owners should have the right to determine the circumstances of “first publication.” Use of a work that is commercially available specifically for the educational market is generally disfavored and is unlikely to be considered a fair use. Additionally, courts tend to give greater protection to creative works; consequently, fair use applies more broadly to nonfiction, rather than fiction. Courts are usually more protective of art, music, poetry, feature films, and other creative works than they might be of nonfiction works.

Factor 3: The Amount or Substantiality of the Portion Used


Although the law does not set exact quantity limits, generally the more you use, the less likely you are within fair use. The “amount” used is usually evaluated relative to the length of the entire original and in light of the amount needed to serve a proper objective. However, sometimes the exact “original” is not always obvious. A book chapter might be a relatively small portion of the book, but the same content might be published elsewhere as an article or essay and be considered the entire work in that context. The “amount” of a work is also measured in qualitative terms. Courts have ruled that even uses of small amounts may be excessive if they take the “heart of the work.” For example, a short clip from a motion picture may usually be acceptable, but not if it encompasses the most extraordinary or creative elements of the film. Similarly, it might be acceptable to quote a relatively small portion of a magazine article, but not if what you are quoting is the journalistic “scoop.” On the other hand, in some contexts, such as critical comment or parody, copying an entire work may be acceptable, generally depending on how much is needed to achieve your purpose. Photographs and artwork often generate controversies, because a user usually needs the full image, or the full “amount,” and this may not be a fair use. On the other hand, a court has ruled that a “thumbnail” or low-resolution version of an image is a lesser “amount.” Such a version of an image might adequately serve educational or research purposes.

Factor 4: The Effect of the Use on the Potential Market for or Value of the Work
Effect on the market is perhaps more complicated than the other three factors. Fundamentally, this factor means that if you could have realistically purchased or licensed the copyrighted work, that fact weighs against a finding of fair use. To evaluate this factor, you may need to make a simple investigation of the market to determine if the work is reasonably available for purchase or licensing. A work may be reasonably available if you are using a large portion of a book that is for sale at a typical market price. “Effect” is also closely linked to “purpose.” If your purpose is research or scholarship, market effect may be difficult to prove. If your purpose is commercial, then adverse market effect may be easier to prove. Occasional quotations or photocopies may have no adverse market effects, but reproductions of entire software works and videos can make direct inroads on the potential markets for those works.



As near as i can tell, #1) it was for educational purposes, #2)the girl already put the picture on the web herself so had "first publishing" rights, #3) they did use the whole picture so that might be a little bit of a problem, #4) the use did not damage her ability to make money from the pic in any way.

for the purpose of "balance" it seems pretty obvious to me that this is fair use.

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BBC TV

I got to hand it to BBC as they come up with some rather strange TV shows. This Monday evening, the feature show is titled "Man with the ten stone testicals". I'll pass.

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Cy & Ten stone

Hell, that's only 140 lbs! They probably had to do a nationwide search to get someone even close! I think it's called"elephantitis"!

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Longest Day of the Year

today. Sun sets at 8:51PM.

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Longest Day

Out here in Paris, the sun went down at 9:57pm.

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Cy & Paris

You get to see the new Airbus Wide-Body yet?

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Hey gym

Probably see it when I get to Toulouse on Sunday.

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Cy-Watch for the Super Moon

On Sunday night....wherever you happen to be...doing much night flying?

Longest day & Super Moon all this weekend...cheers.

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moe - Mooning

The weather is crummy here at Orly Airport - low clouds and occasional showers. No mooning going on here.

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The most daylight

But yeah, i love it :)

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Spy, if you

Hadn't looked that up, your whole day would have been ruined, I reckon. Good for you. Enjoy:)

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Hey gang - Happy Father's Day

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Mookie Blaylock

Did anyone see the WSBTV news report with our very own DA, Scott Ballard, declaring that he did not sign court documents supporting a lesser sentence for Mr. Blaylock? If I heard the story right, it was reported that Ballard's signature was on those document but he denies signing it.

It appears to me that either someone in the courthouse forged the DA's signature or the DA is.......... mistaken.

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Hey gang - batten down those hatches..

and keep an eye out for the weather. We might get a strong "blow" come through.

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Cy & Ugly Wx

Intellicast Radar says it ain't gonna happen!

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Ugly Wx

I retract--it just might happen but not clear!

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Roll cloud on its way

I'm shutting down.

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Egad, Cracker Jacks has no more prize

inside the box.

Can the end of civilization be far behind?

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MLC- No!!!!
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Cracker Jacks has no more prize inside the box.

Say it ain't so Moe!!!!!!!!

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G35 Dude

Digital codes for Androids instead of secret decoder rings and temporary tats. Sad, but true.

I''m saying it, but I guess it's of no use to brood, Dude.:(

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moe - Cracker Jacks Prizes

eBay has them. Ten dollars and up. Perhaps I should have saved all of mine.

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Cy-prizes

the joy of the find, not the save. For me, at least. Sigh...Cy

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Obamacare and Medicare in Fayette County

The new beginnings kick in on July 1st. Anyone get the letter from Dept. of Health and Human Services in DC? Get used to this new phrase:

Competitive Bidding Program

Medicare will no longer deal with suppliers of durable medical goods that do not agree to the "contract price" that Medicare sets, even if you, the recipient, agree to pay the difference in what the supplier charges and Medicare will pay. They claim there will some grandfathering of existing suppliers, but don't count on it.

A discussion with Freedom Medical Care in Fayetteville has opened my eyes to how our federal government will control what I can buy for a wheelchair, a hospital bed, a walker, scooter, oxygen and related supplies and other durable medical goods.

We will see storefronts such as Freedom no longer offering supplies such as those above due to the fact that they cannot make enough of a profit to survive. Potentially, stores such as these could close.

Fayette County residents will no longer have a choice, will have to rely on middlemen set up in industrial parks out of county that will provide a very limited choice and no customer service (other than by phone and an actual delivery person).

Anyone who will be in need of these supplies coming up, get your physician to prescribe them now, and get them before Jul 1st, since you might have to wait for days or longer to have them come from suppliers in north Atlanta instead when this new program kicks in.

If you or your elderly parents or relatives or neighbors are not familiar with this, make sure to pay attention to this huge change in coverage. Finding a "supplier" as of July 1st will be a whole new experience.

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moe - Obamacare

And to think that the incompetent IRS well manage the revenue stream which will feed this beast. (eyes rolling)

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Cy IRS

About 40 years ago, when my sister was just out of college, she rented an apartment in a private home. The homeowner was an IRS agent. She didn't have a clue how to file, so she asked for his help. He not only helped, he did her taxes, for free for years and showed her how to claim things that, shall we say, we're nonexistent. He knew how broken the system was then and was so bold as to know he nor she would ever be found out. I learned a lot at an early age about the IRS, and so did my sister. Nothing since has changed my opinion that the system is a sick joke on all of us.

Now, as you say, this sick joke (pun intended) will be in the middle of every decision made on our health. (Eyes rolling here, too)

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Hey moe,

Yep, I remember those heady days of income averaging and interest deductions.

Hey I got an idea. Lets crash the next IRS party. They can teach us how to line dance. After all, it's our money

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Okay, Cy

Let's film it and put it on you tube just like how they do it in the home office! You get to lead, too. I'll be in the back row watching everyone in front of me, totally out of step. I will have a smile on my face, though. :)

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*** COURT RULING ON RACE AND VOTING DISTRICTS ***

Here is what the Federal Judge said about Fayette County's voting districts:

"Here, it is undisputed that no African-American has ever been elected to the BOC or BOE and that voting in Fayette County is racially polarized in BOC and BOE elections. Based on the heavy weight of those two factors along with the other factors identified above that weigh in Plaintiffs’ favor, and having conducted a “searching practical evaluation of the ‘past and present reality’” of the challenged electoral scheme…..the Court finds that the “dots” of circumstantial evidence, ….. form together to show that African-Americans “have less opportunity than other members of the electorate to participate in the political process and to elect representatives of their choice. Thus, the Court is satisfied that “under the totality of the circumstances, [African-Americans in Fayette County are] denied meaningful access to the political process on account of race or color.”

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That's Racist!

"Our country has now twice elected a black person to serve in the highest office in the land," Leah Aden, assistant counsel for the Legal Defense Fund said in a release. "Today's decision provides an opportunity for Fayette County to embrace its racial diversity and finally integrate its political process and provide avenues of voting opportunity for all of its citizens."

All citizens already have the same voting opportunity. what Ms. Aden is basically saying is that white people can be represented by black politicians, but that white people are not good enough to represent black people.

The next step in this process will be for the Fayette County school system to lose it's accreditation, just like Clayton and Fulton counties.

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Mr. Mrosek - Oh!

Surprise, surprise!

Now what about Asian Americans? or Hispanic Americans?

The courts need to get with the program here and make sure that every possible division of our diverse society is represented. The fact is there are citizens that are simply not represented here and we need to correct this injustice!

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All of this if fine and dandy, except for the fact that the

first thing the illegals learn when they get here, or even before, is that they can go to Duluth or several other places and get every and any forged document they need including fake drivers licenses.

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MYTMITE & Licenses

Doesn't matter--many don't bother at all--just look at the weekly arrest report & see how many get arrested for "NO LICENSE". What you never see is the disposition of those cases.

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Great News from Gov. Deal

Yesterday, he signed into law Senate Bill 160, eff. July 1st, which prevents illegals from getting a drivers license, grants, retirement benefits and public housing in Ga. Foreign passports cannot be used, either, to get public benefits unless they have paperwork proving they are here legally.

Maybe we can reclaim Taco Trail behind Crimeony Village and empty that place out at the same time. Watch those vans pack up and move on out. Thanks, guvnuh!

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So, no drivers license for illegals. What does that do?

Well, it doesn't prevent them from getting behind the wheel of a van and running into you, because after all they are illegals and illegals do illegal things. It does mean that they won't have insurance when they run into you and then away from you. Has that been thought out before this law was passed? No I didn't think so.

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So, no drivers license for illegals. What does that do?

It makes it easier for law enforcement to lock them up at road blocks. No insurance? No tags!!! Recent history has shown that illegals tend to leave areas that make things hard for them. What would you have done. Just said it's ok for illegals to have a drivers license? Thereby making it easier to get a job, benefits, etc?

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Mudcat - correct

Check out The Dustin Inman Society and see why it was founded.

Also check the DIS Blog http://www.thedustininmansociety.org/blog/ for current updates, as well as the DIS Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Dustin-Inman-Society/161980267181359?...

The problem is even worse than you think.

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Mudkitty & Insurance

How does one get a Tag without Insurance? But just about every week, you will read aboutsomeone getting arrested for no insurance. Maybe that would stop if they started confiscating vehicles with no insurance.

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Good Point Mudcat

Yes the law of unintended consequences will now increase our insurance premiums for uninsured motorist protection. It's probably worth the trade-off of reduced government benefits for those who "broke in line" or avoided the line altogether.

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I think maybe this has to do with Ga. has opted out of the federal program for Obamacare/Medicaid. I have not read up on it, but the free medical care burden by the illegals is crippling all states. If Ga. is not going to opt in and is going to go it alone, those costs have to come down. This might be one step to doing something that should have been done 10 years ago.

There are plenty of americanos here who have no insurance. They just drive better.

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Moe, Illegals and Obamacare

I just got back form LA where TV commercials are making the point that Illegals can't partake in the Obamacare scheme. The unwritten message is that it's sooooo unfair. Lets see how this plays out.

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Hi Cy, welcome home again

With the Republicans wanting to win the hispanic vote and be a "more inclusive" party, how many do you think would vote no due to a clause in an illegal immigrant bill that would have free health care for the illegals as part of the package? If we thought Obamacare would bankrupt our country (without including the illegals), add over a million more illegals to the system and watch it totally collapse.

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Try 20 Million...

...because by most estimates that is how many is really here..

The system will collapse and THAT is what they are trying to do..

"The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward (1926–2001) and Frances Fox Piven (b. 1932) that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty".

Sound familiar?

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Ah yes, Ted Kennedy's guaranteed national wage / income. One of many, many social programs that ole Ted discovered in the bottom of a bottle(s) of Russian Standard Vodka.

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S. Lindsey - Ted Kennedy

Ah yes, Ted Kennedy's guaranteed national wage / income. One of many, many social programs that ole Ted discovered in the bottom of a bottle(s) of Russian Standard Vodka.

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S. Lindsey

Sound familiar?

It sure does.

BTW, I honestly don't think the "Guv" has have any idea of how many are here illegally.

Oh, and if we give illegals healthcare I'm reasonable sure we'll have even more.

The Simpson-Mazzoli Act was a complete failure and we'll soon have the new and improve version which, IMO, will not do what it's intended to do.