Heavy rainstorm causes flooding Thursday in PTC, but no injuries reported

Nearly four inches of rain fell on Peachtree City in the rainstorm that cranked up Thursday afternoon, creating flash flooding situations on a handful of city streets, officials said.

The rain also opened up a large sinkhole near the cart path along the Center Green subdivision behind Long Leaf. Public works crews have roped off the area, and it is not immediately known if the path will be closed or not, officials said.

While water surrounded the flood-prone Tinsley Mill Condominiums, it never entered any of the homes, officials noted. There were several reports of water entering the basements of several other homes, but no homes had to be evacuated, according to Assistant Fire Chief Joe O’Conor.

Rescue crews had to assist a few motorists who became stuck in large puddles, but no one was hurt during the storm, O’Conor said.

Some 3.96 inches of rain fell between 1 p.m. Thursday and 8 a.m. Friday morning, according to the National Weather Service. Some 2 inches of that rain came in between 3:30 and 4:30 p.m., according to NWS data.

Flash flooding was reported Thursday on several city streets including McIntosh Trail at the Lake Peachtree Spillway, Robinson Road near Crosstown Drive and streets in the area of Fishers Luck and Harbor Loop. As usual, several golf cart path tunnels also were flooded temporarily, deep enough to make them unpassable.

BHH
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Where is PTC's Stormwater

Management Department when you need them?

Aren't they paying a fee for this type of thing?

I think it just proves that storm water cannot be managed no mater how much money you throw at it.

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Nightmare in progress

Thursday afternoon my basement flooded with 3 feet of water. I am not in a flood area, my home is 17 yrs old and has never had a drop of water in the basement...until now. Our flooding was due to a clogged storm water sewer in the greenbelt adjacent to our house. Obviously, Public Works didn't do their job and now I have $10k~$20k worth of damage...everything in our teen-suite was ruined...the refrigerator was floating on it's side! Wet/ruined furniture, sheet rock, insulation and electrical, etc.
8 Very nice firefighters came to our rescue and one exceptionally brave one waded out into waist deep water to find, then unclog the storm sewer. Problem now is...who's responsible to cover the damage? This isn't due to too much storm water runoff, as I said in 17 years we've never had an issue. Oh, and BTW...people need to stop throwing their yard debris and clippings/cuttings over their fences and onto city greenbelts~ don't you jerks realize out of sight/out of mind is an irresponsible way to deal with the issue of your crepe myrtle trimmings and old Christmas trees!?? But then again...the city's employees are supposed to be responsible for code enforcement and making sure public utilities/storm sewers are clear. Hopefully tomorrow will bring some answer of responsibility from the city and their insurance company. Until then the nightmare of clean up continues :/

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Public Works or Stormwater ?

I bet you have learned that this is a Stormwater (a fee) & not a Public Works (a tax) issue. Where has the Stormwater fee gone? Somehow, it was a Stormwater issue to move the cart path near Booth so as not to disturb the wetlands. As Fayette county is learning, it is going to be Stormwater's fee to make up for lack of Public Works / Road Dept spending in the past (tax) to maintain culverts. Good political cover, "I didn't vote to raise your taxes." In your case the $30-$50 per yr you pay for Stormwater. This all started at least w/ Gingrich's govt. shut-down in the 90's, I am sure it can be traced back to some of Ronnie RAYguns budget balancing thinking...Hey, let's make the users pay!

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Fees for government services was the brainstorm of

the first George Bush when he started preaching about his "thousand points of light".

Every government entity jumped on that band wagon as soon as possible.

We first saw it in tag fees and dumping fees.

If they continue to have their way with fees for service there will be no end to this money grab, because there are no checks and balances in place to control it like there is for a tax.

They will just replace all "taxes" with "fees" since they don't have to get voters approval for any of them or to raise them at will.

We will have to find a way to legally define a government "fee" as a "tax" before it can be controlled.

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I have flood insurance

............live high on the hill! But...........things happen.

City will never pay this. They probably don't have flood insurance either. Only insurance they have is against law suits.

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Yep...they do

have insurance and their adjuster is coming out Tuesday. Not sure about everyone else's issues, my problem wasn't caused by an overwhelming of the stormwater system with rain, but by the city's budgetary decision to cut workers that clean the stormwater/greenbelt areas of their own downed trees and debris that stopped water from getting in the stormwater runoff system. I've already been told by the insurance company to get receipts for my losses. So, we'll see how it goes from there.

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kimberlyinptc

One correction here. We are now referring to them as brownbelts, not greenbelts.

They are filled with dead trees and debris and ARE choking every waterway that was originally planned to accommodate water runoff. Whether it is a creek, gulley, stream or bed, they have been neglected and clogged with every sort of debris. The city even moves debris from the cart paths and dumps it into these greenbelts. Ask the tree companies that have been contracted by the city to move the large tree debris where they leave it if it isn't put thru a chipper.

Add to that, lazy a#@ residents who dump every possible bit of yard debris there, including grass clippings. The lazy a#@ morons who build foot bridges and cart bridges and walkways over these specifically built runoff areas which block the rushing water and reroute it onto paths and onto neighbor properties. They line the edges of their property with debris and wait for a storm to wash it away or think that Public Works will haul it away for them (those good old days are gone).

If the insurance companies were smart, they would document cases of this when these claims are paid out and band together and sue the city for improper storm water management. Then, guess who will pay for that. Us. This is how your "storm water fee" is being used. Replace a few cart path tunnels a year and you are supposed to be satisfied your money is being spent well. Or, use a half a million of it to buy the best darn street sweeper ever built (with no other bids considered, mind you) so that you can feel assured that any parking lot gravel or oil is being "managed" in top notch fashion.

Please come back with updates on here, because others in this city need to know about it. And just remember, if anyone in this city says "Oh, well that is all being addressed now with the new three million dollar bond that was just passed, that is not true. That money legally is NOT to be used for maintenance in any form.

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Exactly! We have had an independent insurance appraiser (hired by PTC's ins co) come and write an estimate, the ball is now in their court and we're waiting to hear what comes next. Our damages have hit almost $20k so this isn't something we'll let go.
I find it ironic that when I asked the city several yrs ago if we could take down a huge pine tree in the adjacent greenbelt because it scares me to death in storms and was told no. Now I think I'll pursue that again because if it snaps and destroys my home I will have to jump through hoops again to get them to take responsibility. From my understanding if a 'neighbor's' (in this case, the city?) tree falls on my property it is my insurance company that has to pay...After 27 yrs with State Farm I am looking to change insurers...we will get policy's for earthquake, flood, asteroids,
etc etc etc! LOL

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kiminptc

Just a comment. I don't know if an appraiser hired by the city is going to be "independent". I assume you have hired your own appraiser, also.

It was explained to me years ago that if a tree on my neighbor's property falls on my house, the neighbor pays. If a tree on my neighbor's property falls on my property (not house), I pay. I was told if there are potential dangers I see from a neighbor's property to mine, put it in writing to the neighbor. That way you have done the cya that attorneys and insurance companies like to see, and you might get the neighbor's insurance to pay for the fallen tree (not on the house).

Mind you, I am none of the above (insurance, attorney or appraiser), so take this advice for what it's worth. Yes, I would ask again about the pine tree. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

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I ♥ PTC

Well, my flooding ordeal is almost over...the city's insurance carrier settled with us for our home damage and loss of personal items, and I couldn't be more pleased with the outcome...considering what a nightmare it has been. Some of my faith in humanity has been restored. The city knew it was at fault and rectified the situation. I'm so happy to know that the 'little guy' doesn't always get the fuzzy end of the lollipop.

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kimberly

thanks for the update and glad you got some resolution. Now, if Mother Nature would bless us with some slow steady liquid gold (not too much, mind you) that would be most welcome.

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2" per

hour can't be managed at all. That's far from normal for sure.

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Managing 2" per hour could never be managed 100%---that is correct.

However a fully planned community could be built to handle 90% of it in collector ponds strategically placed. Providing they were properly maintained.
That last part won't happen however. First thing on a budget cut!

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Push down turn the cap to the right. Only take one.