Tyrone private school receives recognition

The educational challenge of the 21st century has motivated Crestwood Christian Academy a ministry of the Crestwood Baptist Church, to uphold their standard of excellence that has earned them Quality status.

Using the individualized Bible-based curriculum of Accelerated Christian Education (A.C.E.), this school focuses on Christian character training and outstanding academic accomplishments by its students, and also demonstrates a continuing commitment to state-of-the-art, computer-enhanced education.

This year, the average student’s grade in all subject areas was 90 percent PACE average. Many students completed well over one year’s standard academic expectations.

Crestwood Christian Academy believes that their school’s achievement is attributed in part to community commitment to maintain an atmosphere where a school such as Crestwood Christian Academy can effectively educate our youth today for tomorrow’s achievements.

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In the midst of all the very negative news, local politics, Federal judges getting arrested, local politicians getting DUIs, land deals and everything else the citizen covers, this was a pleasant read.

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Pro-Education, but Anti-Intellectual

In my experience, Christian schools in this area are pro-education but anti-intellectual. That is, the students are force-fed certain ideas without discussion. For example, students are told that the earth is only 6,000 years old and that the dinosaurs were on the ark with Noah, and that is what 'real' Christians believe and that anyone even raising the issue for discussion must not be 'right with Jesus.' Also, there would never be a discussion of how the Southern Baptist Convention originated out of a split with the north over the issue of slavery. That said, the environment at these schools is very loving toward the students. Also, the tuition at Crestwood seems very reasonable compared with other Christian schools in the area.

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interesting errors in reasoning and argumentation

Your post is, indeed, a lesson in logical fallacies.

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In my experience, Christian schools in this area are pro-education but anti-intellectual. That is, the students are force-fed certain ideas without discussion. For example, students are told that the earth is only 6,000 years old and that the dinosaurs were on the ark with Noah, and that is what 'real' Christians believe and that anyone even raising the issue for discussion must not be 'right with Jesus.' Also, there would never be a discussion of how the Southern Baptist Convention originated out of a split with the north over the issue of slavery. That said, the environment at these schools is very loving toward the students. Also, the tuition at Crestwood seems very reasonable compared with other Christian schools in the area.

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Logical Fallacies PS1441?

I haven't presented any real logical arguments here. Just my observations. But, what is it about my post that bugs you? Perhaps you didn't read my response to Courthouse Rules.

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Because Courthouse Rules had

Because Courthouse Rules had already mentioned it, I did not bring up your like, dislike, like, dislike schizophrenic-esque post structure.

I agree, you haven't presented any real arguments.

You did attempt to tarnish the value of the recognition this school received for its academic achievements by lumping it in with a preconceived idea of all (your tried to couch your approach using "many/some") Christian Schools (guilt by association, straw man, appeal to ridicule) based upon your personal experience (biased sample?) and then went down some tangent about Southern Baptist history (red herring).

And lest you make another error (assuming) I do not attend this church, do not live in Tyrone, nor do I currently have, nor have had in the past, a student enrolled at this school.

As to the crux of it, I disliked your "spew some venom, sling some mud under the guise of 'observation'".

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No Venom, No Mud

Perhaps I should have addressed this issue this way. I believe that there is a certain degree of anti-intellectualism at the core of most church-run schools. In some areas, like the Northeast, people may not know that if they send their kids to a Catholic school (aside from the Jesuit-run ones) they are going to get a straight dose of transubstantiation and Hail Marys without much if any discussion. In this area of the country, a large number of the church schools seem to be Baptist or Baptist oriented, and some people that send their kids to these institutions may not know that Young Earth Creationism (the earth is only 6,000 years old) is or could be a strongly espoused part of the curriculum, to the degree of it almost being a requirement for being a 'real Christian.' I have no first-hand knowledge of the curriculum of Crestwood, so perhaps I should not have used them as an example. However, there were no other articles in the paper that day about any other church schools. As for the like/dislike part that upset you and Courthouse, I see nothing wrong with saying that Church schools, despite what I see as a shortcoming in their educational process, can offer a nice environment for families seeking a refuge from the public school system, and that Crestwood at roughly $2,500 per year (according to their website) seems to be a good value compared with other area church schools or other private schools, where tuition can run as high as $10,000-12,000 per year.

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Another viewpoint

"Public school vs. private: quality of education

Private school and public school administrators and educators all do their best to create the best learning environment possible. There are excellent public schools and there are excellent private schools.

In Canada, the Fraser Institute ranks schools, often finding favour with private schools, although it does highly rank some public schools. In the USA, the situation is similar: there are good public schools but many of the best overall schools are privately funded. A study by Harvard University found that private school students averaged higher than their public school counterparts in standardized tests in 11 of 12 comparisons of students."

http://www.ourkids.net/private-schools-versus-public-schools.php

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Education

Our country HAD the best public education school system in the world. I am happy to see most politicians focus on 'education reform' for the future. An uneducated populace is the ruination of a 'democracy'. Let's hope the American citizens understand the importance of a strong public education offering in the United States. It is appalling to see the political pandering to those who have suffered from the lack of a first class education. In this era of the availability of information - no one should remain 'uninformed'.

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The Sin of Incongruity (Courthouse Rules)

Courthouse, please pardon my sin of incongruity. Yes, there is incongruity in my post. Just, as there is incongruity in much of life. I was merely pointing out that many 'Christian' schools in the area are heavily wedded to the teaching of Young Earth Creationism (YAC), sometimes to the point of it being akin to the 11th Commandment. However, some people that might not necessarily buy into YAC might find the environment/cost at certain Christian schools attractive, just as many families over the years have sent their children to Catholic schools, Quaker schools, or other, despite their not fully embracing those beliefs. My main point was that a school can be pro-education but simultaneously anti-intellectual, an idea some in the area might not have considered.

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Ninga - intellectual

Could we get your definition of intellectual? Are these the people that deal in ideas and not things? Is there a monopoly on ideas?

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Definition of Intellectual

Without using the dictionary, I used intellectual to basically mean 'encouraging students to use their brains to think deeply about ideas' rather than teachers merely espousing a certain dogma. The dictionary definition I would offer is as below:

intellectual: appealing to or engaging the intellect

where intellect is defined as

the capacity for thinking and acquiring knowledge, esp. of a high or complex order; mental capacity

I focus mainly on the 'high or complex order' part.

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So, what you are saying then is that other schools do a better job of critical thinking? Like say, public schools or maybe private schools?

The fact is that there are very few students that can break out of an institutionalized dogmatic system to find worlds outside what they are taught in school. To, as you say, acquire “knowledge, esp. of a high or complex order”. To charge that Christian schools are guiltier of the sin of anti-intellectualism than other schools is simplistic at best. Schools in general have their own agenda based primarily on their funding sources.

In particular public schools have a political agenda. They teach children using a generally leftist program of intrinsic, instrumental and constitutive egalitarianism. Beyond primary schools, public universities typically are left leaning, they teach ideas consistent with socialist ideals. Why? A socialist dogma in public schools is necessary to continue and promote the power of the state.

Teachers that are provided a living through the state are tools of the state, well meaning tools but tools nonetheless. Curriculum is designed and shaped by the very people that want to keep and increase power of the state because it is in their interest to do so. This is not so much a conspiracy as a process but a process that institutionalizes state power.

The fact is that schools in general do not teach critical thinking. They all shape our children around agendas that are self serving.

Even Vladimir Lenin understood this when he stated, “Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.”

The myths, legends, and lies taught in schools will always be there, it is up to parents to provide a foundation of healthy skepticism of the ideas taught in our schools.

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In particular public schools have a political agenda. They teach children using a generally leftist program of intrinsic, instrumental and constitutive egalitarianism. Beyond primary schools, public universities typically are left leaning, they teach ideas consistent with socialist ideals. Why? A socialist dogma in public schools is necessary to continue and promote the power of the state.

In today's global economy - students need to understand and be exposed to the pros and cons of all 'isms'. There is no need to fear an exposure to socialism, communism, etc. - if a student has seen the advantage of democracy - and not the hypocrisy of 'democracy'. When we take a look at our implementation of the words of our Constitution - we should not have any fear of our children being exposed to other forms of 'leadership/government'. If we are - then maybe we need to work on reforming some of our 'democratic practices'. I hope one does not consider the exposure to other 'world governments' as 'leftist'. Not using the power of the 'vote' encourages 'big government' by a few.

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I disagree that Christian schools are less guilty then other schools in being anti-intellectual. When an educational institution deems a certain area of history/theory off-limits for classroom discussion, as most church-based schools do (eg, the Spanish Inquisition at Catholic schools, Darwinism at fundamentalist schools, and possible ulterior motives of Joseph Smith at Mormon schools), how can it not be guiltier of anti-intellectualism than those that do not, or do so to a lesser degree? Of course the public schools are biased toward statism in their pedagogy, but I think most public school teachers would welcome a student talking about or delving wholeheartedly into libertarianism or classical economics as espoused by von Mises, Hayek, and Rothbard. Some teachers may not agree with such philosophies, but I don't think most would brand them a taboo topic.

Over the years, I have used private, church-based, and public schools for my kids. I would say that the most intellectually open are the purely private ones, followed by public schools and then church schools. However, the purely private schools also tend to be the most expensive, so unless wealthy, one must decide whether a marginal increase in intellectual openness is worth 8-12 grand per kid per year.

On the other hand, if one is stuck in a failing public school in terms of education quality or safety or both, it may be worth a climb down the intellectual ladder to a church school, especially if the tuition is reasonable, which it appears to be at Crestwood.

As for Lenin, the Russians had far longer than 4 years to sow their seeds, but their empire still crumbled and their country is still backward. So, it would appear that he was wrong on that account.

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Ninga - OK

I didn't say that Christian schools were more or less intellectually dishonest. I said that all schools are philosophically tempered based on their funding. So, in general all schools are "anti-intellectual".

Public schools vary on their openness to ideas counter to their interests. I make generalizations to make a point. There certainly are individual teachers that are open to these discussions. However, school systems attempt to limit and move students to their thinking through "correct" thinking using student grades and intimidation in the classroom.

As for Lenin, I would say that he was very successful. That is why their empire crumbled and the country is still backward.

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Incongruous statement!

Good, bad, good, bad!

I immediately had a doubt that they teach that a boat was large enough to accommodate what creatures there were including all of the dinosaurs, and that any argument or questions as to how this was done means disbelief in Jesus!
Most of the world disbelieves in Jesus as it is taught by Christians and could care less about how Southern Baptists were created.

If a Creator wanted to save all of the animals and enough people to procreate it would be a simple task for such to happen. That should be the lesson to them. Disallowing individual thought from many sources of inquiry while looking for answers to a belief, sure puts a lot of responsibility on the school teachers.

If what they teach of course is either true, or false, the cost and the wonderful attitude they possess, would be a way to convince families of assurance of saving their souls and would be priceless.

What you state though is that the cost and attitude is right but what they teach is ridiculous----hardly makes sense.

Actually in most cases now we also only teach kids in college how to make a living only and very little about lessons from our past mistakes, the arts, and how to organize intellectual pursuits. However most graduates can not use hand tools such as a screwdriver and a saw and forget changing a tire safely.

We left the cave men habits behind from such study but may never leave the twenty-first century behind.

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Crestwood Christian Academy

What a wonderful recognition for Crestwood Christian Academy and for our town. Pastor Edge and his staff genuinely care for the children and youth of our community. It's a privilege to know such great people!

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Be careful of those kind and gentle priests, preachers, choir directors, Boy Scout Leaders, etc.
They are heavily infiltrated---especially in so-called professional jobs at lesser salaries!

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Crestwood Christian Academy

I am very proud to hear about this accomplishment. This is a great place with a wonderful staff.

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