Wrongful death lawsuit filed against Fayette and 11 EMTs

A wrongful death lawsuit against Fayette County and 11 county emergency medical technicians was filed in Spalding County State Court late last week. No dollar amount of damages being sought was given in the court papers.

The suit stems from the April 28, 2009 death of 57-year-old Fayette County resident Dickie Denney. The suit by Denney’s wife Charlene alleges that her husband’s death resulted from a number of errors including the administration of what became a fatal overdose of morphine.

Mrs. Denney filed a wrongful death lawsuit on Sept. 9 naming Fayette County, Fayette Emergency Medical Technician Jason Crenshaw and John Does 1-10 as defendants. Denney maintains in the suit that her husband’s death followed a number of errors made after EMTs arrived at their home. One of those alleged errors included a fatal dose of morphine sulphate.

Noting that Denney had oxycodone in his system (for which he had an active prescription for the past several years), the cause of death according to an autopsy by DeKalb medical consultant Dr. Gerald T. Gowitt was determined to be “opiate intoxication aggravating pre-existing atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease.”

Contacted Monday, Fayette County Administrator Jack Krakeel said it would be inappropriate for him to make any comments on legal proceedings involving the county.

According to the lawsuit filed by Fayetteville attorney John Mrosek, Denney had worked his way through a series of heart attacks and had attained a good state of health after the installation of a pacemaker.

The lawsuit noted that Fayette County Emergency Services staff had visited the home on prior occasions without incident and had transported Denney to either Piedmont Fayette Hospital or Emory University Hospital. But that was not the case on April 28, 2009, the suit stated.

With Denney complaining of mild chest discomfort, EMTs were called to the Adams Road home, arriving there at 10:25 p.m. The home is a short distance from Tyrone Road and approximately 3.62 miles from Piedmont Fayette Hospital, according to the filing.

Once on the scene, the EMT that appeared to be in charge at the home was Spalding County resident Jason Crenshaw, according to the lawsuit.

During the home visit and after the initial diagnosis conducted by emergency medical staff, “they concluded that Mr. Denney was not in an emergency situation,” the suit stated, adding that EMT’s offered numerous treatment alternatives.

Denney said his level of pain was a “3” on a scale of 1-10. The family at some point decided that Denney should be transported to Emory University Hospital.

The lawsuit alleges that during his time at the Denney home Crenshaw “exhibited an angry, antagonistic and malicious attitude and tone to Mr. Denney and to his family and created, in the eyes of witnesses, an atmosphere of hate.”

The lawsuit adds that Crenshaw exhibited numerous breaches of national, state and local protocols and breaches of the standard of care from an emergency medical provider.

Crenshaw at some point is said to have administered morphine sulfate without consulting Charlene Denney and in contravention of the established national and state protocols for the administration of the drug, the lawsuit said, adding that Crenshaw’s explanation for administering the morphine was to “knock him out” for the ride to Emory.

The suit states that, “Less than 10 minutes after Mr. Crenshaw administered the morphine, he radioed to 911 dispatch a ‘Code 7,’ meaning that Mr. Denney had experienced the initial stages of life-threatening cardiac arrest in that his heart had stopped beating due to the inevitable depressive, analgesic effects of morphine coupled with the existing Oxycontin (oxycodone) in his system (in a patient with a history of cardiovascular disease) thus causing his heart to stop and quickly causing Mr. Denney’s death.”

The suit maintains that, “at some point prior to 11 p.m. Crenshaw and defendants decided to administer morphine sulfate without consulting Mrs. Denney” and that “Denney’s situation escalated from a non-emergency situation to a cardiac emergency at approximately 11:03 p.m. when his cardiac arrest started and was witnessed by Crenshaw.”

Crenshaw recognized the error of treating Denney with morphine, the suit stated.

The court filing also states that while in the ambulance Denney was given an injection of Narcan, “a drug designed to offset the depressive cardiac effects of morphine they had just given Mr. Denney.”

According to the filing, Charlene Denney returned from filling her husband’s overnight bag and seated herself in the ambulance. She was not made aware of the life-threatening condition of her husband, the suit states.

Once underway, Crenshaw radioed dispatch saying that Denney was being transported to Piedmont Fayette Hospital.

The suit questions the route taken by the ambulance crew. With the destination now listed as Piedmont Fayette rather than Emory, the suit questions why the ambulance headed north on Adams Road and stopped on the side of the road near Sandy Creek Road, a route to Piedmont Fayette that would be of significantly greater distance than if the ambulance had gone south on Adams Road to Tyrone Road then east to the hospital.

The suit states that, while parked along the roadway off Sandy Creek Road, two additional crews arrived at the scene.

Meanwhile, the ambulance in which Denney was being transported stayed at roadside for approximately 15 minutes before resuming the transport to Piedmont Fayette.

The ambulance arrived at the hospital at 11:24 p.m. and Denney was pronounced dead at 11:59 p.m., according to the suit.

Also noted in the suit was Charlene Denney’s attempt to secure an autopsy and a death certificate. Fayette County Coroner C.J. Mowell was called to the hospital, where he sent various records to the Georgia State Crime Lab. “... an on-duty physician there conferred with Mr. Mowell and concluded that the death of Mr. Denney occurred as a result of ‘natural causes,’” the suit states.

The filing said that once notified, Charlene Denney “disputed the same and pointed out that her husband had been injected with morphine and that that was the cause of death.

“Mr. Mowell rejected her comments and refused to order an autopsy or inquest and said that the matter was closed.

“When Mrs. Denney asked about an autopsy, Mr. Mowell refused and told her that she would have to search on the Internet and pay for an autopsy out of her own funds.

“Despite Mrs. Denney’s repeated demands ... Mr. Mowell refused to issue a death certificate in this case. It was only after he released jurisdiction in August of 2010, more than a year later, that another medical examiner was able to issue a death certificate showing the cause of death to be ‘opiate overuse.’”

The subsequent autopsy performed by Gowitt determined the cause of death to be “opiate intoxication aggravating pre-existing atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease.”

Commenting last week after the lawsuit was filed, Charlene Denney said she is determined to find the answers to her questions.

“You think things like this don’t happen in real life. They knew in the driveway (of her home) there was a problem,” she said, adding that she is not afraid to take a stand on the issue of her husband’s death. “The biggest thing is trying to get the truth from the county and the truth about what happened that night. I couldn’t get the answers so I had to file suit.”

Denney said she does not want others to have to go through what her family experienced, adding that she wants cameras installed in the patient compartment of all ambulances and the capability of EMTs to be able to speak directly with emergency room physicians during cardio transports.

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Pray for the Denney family

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What are the Ten Commandments? Do you know them?

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For Halo to comment about "Jewels". I know plenty with "Jewels" that are making a difference by talking to the "Courthouse Rules" "dumb lawyers." There will be a change in the administration permantly to make our EMS service better for the citizens and for the true, honorable EMTs and firemen that serve our community. When money is involved and criminal prosecution this will lead to a big change. It's going to be very interesting so buckle up and enjoy the ride!

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First of all, I am a Fire

First of all, I am a Fire Fighter and I do work in a near by service . I am not going to address any part of the lawsuit because I do not speak about things that I am not familiar with (some of you should learn to do the same). What is amazing to me is that you all sit on this site and berate who ever you like and do not have the guts to put your name on here so we can see just who you are. I am sure your going to make up some excuse as to why you do not reveal your name so I don’t expect to look here later and see any ones ID. What some of you should know is we already know who the Mercenary is and reading all the lovely comments he has added makes most laugh because he by no means is a perfect person. If he was he would still be working with Fayette County. I am sure the private ambulance service you work for is a great place and we know that the management at those businesses is awesome. Are you part of management at the ambulance service, we will get back to that later.

I happen to know Jason Crenshaw and from what I know he is a good person as well as a good medic. Again I am not going to discuss the issue of the lawsuit. For you all to come on here and pass all this garbage about him without knowing him is a bunch of bull. Jason will not get on this site and defend himself from the crap the Mercenary said about him but I sure as hell don’t have a problem telling you you’re a big piece of crap. Mercenary I am sure when you left Fayette County Fire the service the citizens received improved immediately.

As far as Fayette County Administration goes, I know a lot of those in that organization and they are Educated and well trained people. If you look at the administrative staff all of them with the exception of 2 have worked on line in that department at some point in their career. I am going strictly off memory so my numbers could be wrong give or take. They all do their jobs the best way they know how and sure everyone is not always going to like what any administration does but that’s the way it works. They are the ones that are in the position of running the organization and they get to make the policies and enforce them how ever they see fit. Back to you being in a supervisory roll in your NEW career, (you did not change careers you just changed locations). Do all the people you supervise praise you for all the decisions you make and follow all the policies and procedures that your private ambulance service has in place. OR are you just a puppet that acts like he knows what he is doing and really lets the EMT’s and Medics tell you how its going to work? I am not here to bash you but I am here to say I think what you are doing is wrong . You no longer work for Fayette County Fire so just move on and stop trying to bash those that are still there. You had every chance when you worked for them to tell them what you thought and I am sure you did not have the jewels to walk in any administrative office and say what you have on here. If you have the jewels to say it then sign it as well.

Good luck Jason Crenshaw and Fayette County Fire

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Im not sure you know jason crenshaw as well as you think...Ill agree he is a good medic, but as a person he is the most perverted backstabbing piece of sh@t to ever walk the earth and has no right to bare the honor of being a brother firefighter....theres a reason he's been divorced several times..Ill give you a hint..it wasnt his wives fault...as related to the lawsuite I wasnt there and couldnt tell you if what he done was right or wrong...but please dont try to defend him based on the person he is

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Im not sure you know jason crenshaw as well as you think...Ill agree he is a good medic, but as a person he is the most perverted backstabbing piece of sh@t to ever walk the earth and has no right to bare the honor of being a brother firefighter....theres a reason he's been divorced several times..Ill give you a hint..it wasnt his wives fault...as related to the lawsuite I wasnt there and couldnt tell you if what he done was right or wrong...but please dont try to defend him based on the person he is

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You said "What is amazing to me is that you all sit on this site and berate who ever you like and do not have the guts to put your name on here so we can see just who you are." My name is Randy Clokey, so tell me Braveheart, what is your name, because I believe if you're if you're going to talk about guts, by all means lets see yours. I haven't weighed in on this, because I don't know the facts, but you're doing a little berating your own self, so if you're going to talk the talk, by all means lets walk the walk.

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You are correct I should tell you my name and I would IF I came on this site and started to attack a person on a personal level like the mercenary did to Jason Crenshaw. The things I said were all true based on the post made by the mercenary. If I ever bring in a persons personal life and post it on any site I will put my name with it. However, I would not post personal information on any site about anyone even if they were my worst enemy.

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Splitting hairs, you remind me of the Bladderq on this site, he never spent a minute in the military, but he never misses a chance to denigrate someone else who didn't. If you're not willing to there, don't go there.

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Not sure how you got me in on this post. The man said he was in the profession (not that I agree w/ his discourse). Is this an attempt to bait me into defaming those who readily send soldiers to war, while having no taste of it for themselves in the past (or evidently, their children in the present)?

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You're my favorite example of a hypocrite, I thought that was pretty obvious. You already defame people for not doing what you didn't do either.

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Hutch & a Hypocrite

Sorry, I miss your point & still miss why I come up in the EMT suit. I would be a hypocrite if I did not serve but .. well, I waste my time. If you are happy w/ the choices you have made following charlatans & false leaders, sleep well.

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You miss my point? I thought it was quite clear, but hey, we can try again. Like you do, HALO was castigating someone for something they didn't do, when he himself wouldn't do it. You yourself, are always putting down politicians who didn't serve( but only the Republican politicians) while you yourself didn't serve. I think that's hypocritical. Is that clear enough, like I said BEFORE, you're my favorite example of a hypocrite, and lord knows there's a lot to pick from. Look at it this way, YOU'RE NUMBER 1.

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I don't want to get off topic w/ this EMT suit but... I use Repugs because they seem to be the ones urging & fabricating wars. I can disagree w/ McCain & Hagel, even Rummy but I will call the likes of Chan$y out. You are you really comfortable w/ a man that is quoted, Away from the hearing room, he told the Washington Post that he had sought his deferments because "I had other priorities in the 60's than military service."

"I don't regret the decisions I made," he added. "I complied fully with all the requirements of the statutes, registered with the draft when I turned 18. Had I been drafted, I would have been happy to serve."
You like that comment? If I was a 'Nam vet, I'd have a big problem w/ it. 5 deferments. I'm sure all I can mention were good college Young Reps. I like Stockman went to "Divinity" School. Fine preacher he became. At least now he is preaching that Trickel Down is just that..down the leg. I like our Sen Sadsax who attacks a war hero to the point that a fellow (R)Hagel is embarrassed. I like a pull strings to get in the TX Guard has Swift Boaters do his dirty work.. like they did when they went & he didn't. What no coke in 'Nam?

Well, me & Slick Willie & Ali (Kerry & Gore went) all had a reason of at least conscience, not cowardice. Hey, Barney Frank might have gone but they wouldn't let him. I am pretty sure time has proven us right. It was a worthless, unnecessary waste of national treasure, time and blood. And it was very obvious early on. "My Country, Right or Wrong" is just a slogan. You and I obviously have differing def's of Hypocrite. My dictionary has a pic of Chan$y as an example.

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HALO

Obviously your real name is HALO since you are big on Identifying everyone on here?

You are correct though about some making a whole department a bunch of "do as they pleaser's," instead of a full servant method to the community. This site sure has more than it's share of "hang em now--no trial people,' than anywhere I have ever seen!

On the other hand, public servants and electees of any kind are not paid to band together and protect everyone from scrutiny.
Investigations are necessary and should be done rapidly in order to clear up the problem.
Don't wait for the dumb lawyers to work it out for money---do it in house.

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Chief McCullough was interested in the implementation of policies that are beneficial to himself and his administration. The administration did not tolerate mistakes. Especially something that could portray the Fire Department negatively in the eyes of the public. The Fayette County Fire Department Policies and Procedures consisted of three volumes. That is alot of rules and regulations. Fire department personnel have been demoted or have resigned from their positions at an unprecedented rate since McCullough became the chief. Also, the fire department has probably lost over 30 employees during his reign. That type of turnover, especially during this economic climate, should be a sign to anyone of his ineffectiveness.

I do not know the names of any of the personnel involved in the lawsuit other than Jason Crenshaw and what was reported in the citizen. Normally, five to six people would be more than enough to handle even the most serious medical emergency. I do not know why there would ever be a reason to have eleven on a medical call. I can only guess that some of those eleven are administrative personnel. They may have been named as indirect participants.

Since I have moved on to another career, there is little that I can do to make the department a better place for the firefighters and emts. In order to bring about any changes it will be up to the men and women who serve at the station level to rise up against the totalitarian regime of Chief McCullough and make their voices heard. The Fayette County Fire Department is in desparate need of personnel changes in the administrative positions because the firefighters and emt's at the stations have no respect for the chiefs.

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Fayette County Fire Dept. Cover-up

As a former employee of the Fayette County Fire Department, I can state with the utmost sincerity that it was the most screwed up fire department around. The department is divided into two distinct factions: the administration (headquarters staff) ond the on-line personnel (the firefighters and paramedics). The administration routinely mistreated and berated the firefighters. It was unquestionably a hostile work environment and I am sure it still is.

The administration will most certainly sell out Jason Crenshaw. Jason Crenshaw is a great paramedic and I am confident that he followed all commonly accepted protocols when treating the alledged victim. However, the administration is going to distance themselves from any perceived impropriety by Jason Crenshaw. As information comes to light about Jason's formal reprimands from the fire department, unstable behavior while on duty at the fire department, in addition to his many personal issues outside of work (multiple divorces, threats of suicide, mood altering prescription drugs, etc.) the administration is going to take steps to protect themselves and their jobs. The fire department administration really does not care what happened to Mr. Denney. The administration's only concern is absolving themselves of any liability. If that means putting either increasing pressure on Jason Crenshaw in the hopes that he will resign or looking for faults in his performance so they can be justified in firing him then that is what will occur. The administration does not care about Jason Crenshaw either. In the eyes of the administration, Jason has become a liability to the department. It is truly unfortunate for Jason because, through nothing directly related to his job performance, he will most likely be gone within a year. I am only surprised the county does not already have him on some type of paid leave. Chief McCullough and his staff will do whatever it takes to keep this from involving any of the administration. I would be willing to bet they have all gathered to discuss contigency plans in order to pawn this entire incident off on Jason Crenshaw.

Maybe one day the commissioners and the taxpayers of Fayette County will discover that the fire department administration is truly run by thugs.

By the way, the men and women that work in the firestations are some of the greatest people on the planet. The administration is nothing more than a drain on the moral of the ones who truly make a difference.

Good Luck, Jason.

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Any recent news of this

Any recent news of this lawsuit?

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mercenary, Do you think the administration being run by an ego Chief may be the cause of the EMTs "unstable behavior while on duty" and with their personal life?

Jason is not the only liable emt as reported in the paper. Do you know who the other emts are? Are they in the administration? "The administration is nothing more than a drain on the moral of the ones who truly make a difference."

Can you help the citizens get rid of the "thugs" and make a better work environment for our firemen and emts? I think you will do a diservice to yourself and all of men and women that work in firestations and the citizens if you can help and do not help!

You know what to do.

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mercenary, your name says it all

I guess your name describes you very well. "Working or acting merely for money or other reward" I would assume you are posting your comments for the "other reward". Let me guess, you couldn't cut it working for one of the best services in this state. Now you sit back and cast stones at those who are obviously superior to you. Its easy to play Monday morning quarterback or second guess what should have been done on this call, but I assure you, that you don't know all of the facts. There are two sides to every story and usually the true rest somewhere in the middle. It is sad that this person passed away, but the facts you are basing your judgment on are from the family or someone they have paid. You obviously connect with those who have been paid for their expert opinion...

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Mercenary, you are fooling no one with your malicious blog.

You present yourself as someone on Mr. Crenshaw's side and then go on to list many unsubstantiated, detrimental things about him. You are someone on here to smear his name and nothing else. Clever, trying to make it look like you are talking against the administration when in fact your one and only aim is to discredit Mr. Crenshaw.

I am a total outsider, not involved with either side, and I can see right through your ploy. Hopefully, others will also. Shame on you.

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Screwiest comment I have seen

Does both things: praises the Paramedic and at the same time lists some serious and repeated discipline and violations of rules at the fire department by the paramedic!

Sounds like a stupid way to put the items into the public view---pretending
to say that those violations are perfectly OK.

Either there are those out to get this Paramedic using this forum, or are after the Management of the Fayetteville City and department management for not firing him long ago, or for firing the writer!

There are scandals in city governments just as there are in judges in court rooms, but I somehow doubt this one.

I vote for the latter!

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First,My condolences to Mr

First,My condolences to Mr Denny's Family.I wasn't there when this Man died so I don't know the Particulars except whats been stated by this Paper.Fire Dept Personnel have to make fast decisions at times,some are right,some not.I don't think they would do anything deliberate to hurt anyone.EMT"S do need to know what Meds a Patient is taking at the time of thier arrival,this is where a Family member needs to make known to EMT"S,what Drugs a Person is taking to avoid Major Drug interactions.Oxycontin and Morphine do have Major interactions.A pain level of 3 wouldn't justify morphine,A fast transport to Piedmont Fayette seems to be a good plan,instead of Emory according to whats been stated.Fireman are under extreme Pressure at these times,trying to do thier best for the Patient at Hand.As for thier attitude at the Denney Home,I can say We all need to develop a better and kinder attitude on these Calls,remember the Patients well being should come First and foremost.We should never be rude and let Our personal feelings be known.This type conduct is unacceptable and only puts deeper fear into Your Patient,this could be You on the receiving end,"How would You feel".I think We all need to work together and help each other as EMT's and do Our best in the care of Our Citizens,A job well done gets a raise faster than a whining attitude,If You don't like Your Job,"Hell" Just Quit, it's that simple.I knew what I would be paid when I started,Nobody twisted My arm to take this Job.My concern and desire is to deliver the best Emergency care I can.Some of You need to grow up,it's obvious you are not mature by the blogs You are posting,reread them then think about what you are saying to the Public,I think You are only creating confusion and fear in the Minds of Our Citizens,We don't need this,neither do they.God Bless You Guy's,I love each one of You!

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Good for you Upfront. I am sure the Dennys appreciate your condolences. Some of your fellow EMTs could only bad mouth the deceased and the widow.
I think the widow and her kids could use a big brother at this time. It is bad when one of our fellow citizens has to endure threats just because they want to seek justice. Put yourself in their shoes for just one day. Think about it! You can't even imagine. You think the blogs are bad? Check out what goes on outside of the "BLOGS!"

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I am a Fayette County resident and have been for 40 years. I have had to call upon the Rescue squad on 3 occassions. Having had a heart attack, septic shock and congestive heart failure these men and women were excellent. Every time, the response time and quality of there efforts was above and beyond there call of duty. They made sure that I was taken care of and was very coutious and kind. I hate that someone died due to an illness and not being a judge or doctor, I cant say that an error occured. My heart goes out to the family, but without the Medical Response teams, I would be dead now. I applaud these people and think they do an outstanding, unrewarding job and could not concieve that an intentional act caused his death. Things happen for a reason and only one person knows the truth, GOD. For the paramedics and EMTs in my case, you have served me well. Thanks you for what you do.

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tortugaocho

You know you are right the State and the County Coroner did not wait until the autopsy.

The words you use so lightly stating mistakes and everyone makes them, lets assume they make mistakes with your loved one. What would you do?

It is considered okay and acceptable if you make minor mistakes in life but when you make major mistakes and take a life it is not accepted. It never has and it never will be accepted. Only God and not man has the power to take a life. When man does this it is not a mistake and man must be prepared for the penalty involved whether it be punishment by paying sums of money or whether it is punishment by paying their life behind bars.

Many professionals make medical mistakes but most try to correct their mistake. Some on the other hand only try to cover up for their own benefit and livelyhood and let a patient die. It is easy to do in back of an ambulance. Who will ever know? Everyone trust the medics. Don't they?
Who would ever know anything? But every now and then shit happens in life and in a world of excellant technolgy one must be stupid to not know what others are capable of doing with cell phones, cameras, tapes, and all kinds of technology out there. You just can never think even old grannys have the souped up technology available in their hands. It is amazing what some people have and can use to break these things you say are "mistakes"!

One must think and be cautious of the older citizens of this county because they have all the bells and whistles sold on the market today and they will BLOW!

Just food for thought when you use the word so lightly "Mistakes"!

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tortugaocho

You know you are right the State and the County Coroner did not wait until the autopsy.

The words you use so lightly stating mistakes and everyone makes them, lets assume they make mistakes with your loved one. What would you do?

It is considered okay and acceptable if you make minor mistakes in life but when you make major mistakes and take a life it is not accepted. It never has and it never will be accepted. Only God and not man has the power to take a life. When man does this it is not a mistake and man must be prepared for the penalty involved whether it be punishment by paying sums of money or whether it is punishment by paying their life behind bars.

Many professionals make medical mistakes but most try to correct their mistake. Some on the other hand only try to cover up for their own benefit and livelyhood and let a patient die. It is easy to do in back of an ambulance. Who will ever know? Everyone trust the medics. Don't they?
Who would ever know anything? But every now and then shit happens in life and in a world of excellant technolgy one must be stupid to not know what others are capable of doing with cell phones, cameras, tapes, and all kinds of technology out there. You just can never think even old grannys have the souped up technology available in their hands. It is amazing what some people have and can use to break these things you say are "mistakes"!

One must think and be cautious of the older citizens of this county because they have all the bells and whistles sold on the market today and they will BLOW!

Just food for thought when you use the word so lightly "Mistakes"!

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Hey eyeopener

It's much more easier and neater to reply to someone using the "Reply" button at that other person's post (in this case "tortugaocho")than it is to post a response and then post a quote of the same response. BTW, welcome. ☺

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Thanks Cyclist. I just like being on top if you know what I mean but I will take your advice.

Looks like a lot of the cowards out there have crawled back under the bridge and hiding now! Why they scared now. Is it something I let slip?

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Thank you EMT's and ER medical staff

at Piedmont in Fayette County. Your expertise had my mother's condition improved before she reached the hospital. Your correct observations were important to the discovery of a blood clot by the ER staff - and the prompt removal of this clot saved her life.

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DM - Agree

Great group of dedicated people.

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Fayette EMS and PiedmontER--- occasional fatal mistakes

Fayette EMS and Piedmont ER--- occasional fatal mistakes.....That is all we are talking about. Are they great people? Yes. Are they dedicated and hardworking? Yes. Do they make serious mistakes and people die. I am afraid so. And looks like our Coronor has seen more than his share of these.

How about James V. Robertson, MD, at Fayette ER, and the medical director of Fayette EMS... His found mistakes and reprimand for wrongful death in 2006 included:

"The physician failed to meet the minimum standard of care in his treatment of an emergency room patient. The physician diagnosed the patient with chest wall pain and discharged the patient. The patient subsequently died later that same day of aortic dissection. The physician failed to evaluate the patient's chest pain, address the patient's elevated blood pressure and abnormal electrocardiogram, misinterpreted the chest x-ray as normal, discharged the patient with unexplained symptoms, abnormal vital signs, and abnormal test results and failed to admit the patient to the hospital or conduct further diagnositic studies."

Dr. Robertson paid a $550,000 settlement to the family of the dead man, a $10,000 fine to the state and agreed to additional education. Here is his state file:

http://services.georgia.gov/dch/mebs/retrieveBoardOrder.do?licenseNumber...

Give the Medical Board at least credit for investigating. Here, the Coroner, the EMS director and the State of Georgia didn't even wait for the autopsy.

My point--- humans are not perfect and when people die unnecessarily there should be some accountability.

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Sunday Pray

Today will be the beginning of cleansing of our sins. Those that want to be cleansed will step up for it is not to late to redeem your sins and tresspasses against others.

God is watching all and has his eyes opened.

So does the United States of America federal government. They may not be so forgiving as our God.

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eyeopener wrote:

Today will be the beginning of cleansing of our sins. Those that want to be cleansed will step up for it is not to late to redeem your sins and tresspasses against others.

God is watching all and has his eyes opened.

So does the United States of America federal government. They may not be so forgiving as our God.

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to everyone...

I'll admit I am an Firefighter/EMT. Just to clarify facts. Most local fire depts. get paid for 106 hours every two weeks and this is straight time. And since someone was questioning how much money fireman make I'll tell you about myself and you can go from there. I have been in fire service for over ten years and have been promoted several times and am making 39000/yr. I am not here to defend anyone at the fire dept. if Jason screwed up he should be punished but for the people that think FC Fire would cover it up, in my opinion they are wrong. For one simple reason, If Chief McCullough knew of a screw up, he would distance himself from it in a heartbeat. Jason would be fired or atleast suspended. McCullough is way too egotistical to let this come back on him. He would throw Jason to the wolves to protect himself I can promise you that.

Like I said this is not a defense comment saying that no one in the EMS profession ever screws up because like in every job they do. The only difference is a screw up in this profession people can and do die and if a screw up caused the unfortunate death of this man then his family deserves to be compensated.(I am a Fayette County Tax Payer and my family has been for more than 100 years) so I do know I will be paying for it. But for the people on here that are worried about your safety you shouldn't be. You can check with the state and the national EMS offices and they will tell you that Fayette County Georgia is one of the most respected and well trained EMS departments in the country(not just the state). And for the Fireman on here that think people have to respect you or whatever because you work multiple jobs and are underpaid for the demands of the job, get over it. When we all went to work with the fire depts of our choice we knew we had to work multiple jobs but that was what was attractive about the schedule. We all thought we could be rich entreprenuers and have million dollar side businesses at some point. We all know most of us ended up working doing private transports or other 911 services instead but we all had our dreams. The reason we went into it was because we had been brought up around it or just had a calling or for the crowd that came in after 9/11 it was kinda the "it" job. In my opinion and its only my opinion if you don't get your satisfaction from knowing that you've helped someone then its probably time to move on because if you are looking for the approval of and back pats from todays society to get your satisfaction you will be waiting a while because in todays world most people are just way to preoccupied with their own lives tow worry about motivating someone else. Please everyone just wait for the day in court before we judge either way. SORRY for the punctuation, spelling and run on sentences....

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Hey slowdown fire person

Keep this in mind, Your county will hang you out to dry before they will admit to anything. He may be sacrificed for the team. Remember they are part of government and they will lie like all the rest.

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Hey slowdown fire person

Are you one of the 11? I think you running scared now because you know there are some true souls in our Fire and EMS Department. Are you trying to help your pals by having "slowdown" shut his mouth?

Reading all the blogs it appears you were the beginning of evil innuendoes (liabel/slanderous statement). "Times are tough". "Maybe they need some extra easy money". "Sure wish they had a loser pay in court!"

You started the ball rolling and you know it. Now when some of our finest step forward you cowardly try to shut them up. Got a news flash for you ("Normal?"), I got your number and YOU will be hung out to dry!

You are right about the government "they will lie like the rest". But some will trump them up and make us a new government and it starts right NOW!

Do you know that song "I always feel like somebody's watching me"? It aint no fantasy!

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Normal? Somebody watching me
eyeopener wrote:

Are you one of the 11? I think you running scared now because you know there are some true souls in our Fire and EMS Department. Are you trying to help your pals by having "slowdown" shut his mouth?

Reading all the blogs it appears you were the beginning of evil innuendoes (liabel/slanderous statement). "Times are tough". "Maybe they need some extra easy money". "Sure wish they had a loser pay in court!"

You started the ball rolling and you know it. Now when some of our finest step forward you cowardly try to shut them up. Got a news flash for you ("Normal?"), I got your number and YOU will be hung out to dry!

You are right about the government "they will lie like the rest". But some will trump them up and make us a new government and it starts right NOW!

Do you know that song "I always feel like somebody's watching me"? It aint no fantasy!

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i agree..

That is exactly what I was saying that the Chief of Fayette would feed him to the wolves if he felt like the medic didn't follow protocols. I work in an area where the local government in my opinion is as crooked as it gets so I understand that but I don't think it is only in local government that is just the way alot of people are in general today... Fairness, honesty and loyalty are in the past across all spectrums of society. Politicians are just the mirrored image of the constituents that voted them in.

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"If he"??

Couldn't be more wrong with this statement "If he?? felt like medic didn't follow protocols" You don't feed close friends to the wolves! No matter what! You protect and honor your close friends! To hell with anyone that ever tries to rock their boat! Just like the song "all the right moves", "all the right friends" but they do go down.

We will soon find out who realy has "Honor and Integrity" in this community. The feds know! Do you know?

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If he knew?
eyeopener wrote:

Couldn't be more wrong with this statement "If he?? felt like medic didn't follow protocols" You don't feed close friends to the wolves! No matter what! You protect and honor your close friends! To hell with anyone that ever tries to rock their boat! Just like the song "all the right moves", "all the right friends" but they do go down.

We will soon find out who realy has "Honor and Integrity" in this community. The feds know! Do you know?

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slowdown

I have nothing to say about the law suit.

Thank you for the pay information. $39,000/ year. (included O.T. I suppose.)

The info I have is that Paramedics make about 20% more or $46,800 in your case of 10 years. (maybe includes OT?)
There are maybe 10-12 Holidays per year and vacation pay, but I don't know how that is calculated in.

If one calculates a month's work starting with the 1st as a 24 hour attend day, and day 2,3 as off days at 24 hours per day....on through day 28 (4 weeks) using the same pattern 1 on 2 off, then the following occurs:

Attends work 10 of 28 days or at firehouse 240 hours per month.

Off work 18 of 28 days or 432 hours per month.

If this is carried out over 12 months it would pick up the other 2 days per month.

So 2 weeks you would have off 4 days per week, and 5 days off the other 2 weeks.

Standard work hours for most people is 40 hours per week, 5 days per week, and 2 days off every week, plus Holidays and vacations. Some get bonuses for results or as a standard practice. There are certain personal benefits that Police and firemen get from others, but no fortune.

Some people do work night shifts other than fire and police officers, but they in the case of firemen can sleep at work until needed if they wish.

Private jobs using police and fire talents add income during the 4-5 days per week off. Some have businesses.

The hours are a matter of choice when job is taken. Some schooling as in most jobs now is required to keep up.

I see it as a good way to make a decent living and something very helpful overall to society.

There is the problem of it being paid by taxes which is painful in recessions, especially. Up to 1 in 5 are not working to pay taxes.

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courthouse rules

Yes that includes overtime...you basically get 4 to 6 hours of overtime on one check a month. This number comes from a federal act telling municipalities and counties how to pay public servants for the unique work schedule without being in violation of the fair labor standards.(not sure all my terminology is correct). Counties and munipalities do vary on how they handle those hours tho. Some offer it in flex time so that they keep the salaries per year down to help the budget. But as far as overtime ,besides the amount I speak of above, does not exist in the fire service today in this area and hasn't even before the recession hit. From a couple of administrative people of I have spoken with in two diffent departments in the south metro area there overtime budget for the year is between 2 and 6 thousand dollars for the entire department in case of emergencies. This number differs all over the area I'm sure depending on the size of the department and the risk in the community. Just trying to answer your question about the OT.

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slowdown

I very much appreciate your honesty and I believe you say these words from your heart. I wish there were more of you to protect me and my fellow citizens of this county.

Some things you do not know but some things you are right about. One big thing you talked about you are wrong. Maybe you will be right about what the chief will do to protect himself. Too late don't you think so?

We will wait patiently for this horrible thing that happened to Mr. Denney and his family to get resolved in the courts.

God bless you and hope your dreams do come true one day. I know they will.

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slowdown
eyeopener wrote:

I very much appreciate your honesty and I believe you say these words from your heart. I wish there were more of you to protect me and my fellow citizens of this county.

Some things you do not know but some things you are right about. One big thing you talked about you are wrong. Maybe you will be right about what the chief will do to protect himself. Too late don't you think so?

We will wait patiently for this horrible thing that happened to Mr. Denney and his family to get resolved in the courts.

God bless you and hope your dreams do come true one day. I know they will.

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Nuk, No it's not usualy 72 hours a week

So they work 24 hours and off 48 hours? Wow, that is wonderful. We would all like to have a work schedule like that. So what they are paid is basicaly 40 hour check for just being on call for 24 hours at the station?

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Now you must know they attend more than one full day!

However, no matter how much you make fun you are not going to find out just what a schedule would look like for say a month!

Nor the average pay with OT for the whole crew and supervisors.

They won't tell you in a way that is understandable. Nor will the city or county.

Look, if they made $150,000 a year for one days work, they would never admit it!

Did you know that Civil Servants as a whole now are paid more than business people of equal talents and seniority. And with a much better retirement age and amount.

Doesn't work in hard times.

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CHR$ You're Funny!

I LOVE reading your comments on here! You have so many characters and do so many different voices it's just like watching the old Carol Burnett show. Every time I see a new poster, I eagerly click on the link hoping to find you with a new costume on, playing the foil to the likes of eyeopener (Harvey Coreman?) or creating a new persona out of whole cloth. I like it best when you do your "ig'nornt coullard persun" routine, man, now that is funny! "I no whut I gunna do, al'rdy taked too mu lawer" PRICELESS! (Forgive my lousy imitation; I'm nowhere near in your league)
Just wanted to let you know that some of us out here really "GET" what you're all about. I know it can sometimes be frustrating for an artist to play to an audience that just doesn’t get it.
Keep up the hard work, I'll be watching!

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Hey, MikeyC, I was just beginning to think that CHR, et al had

added Eyeopener to his repetoire. Really beginning to sound like him/her and our sweet, little curmudgeon does have that trait of posting and replying to him/herself. Whatever, CHR, et al are what makes this site the bright spot it is. I think it may just be our own Betty White in disguise. One of my favorite pastimes when I am out and about is to try to guess which of the people in the crowds just might be ole' CHR, Bonkie, Dollar and the cast of thousands. May they all long wave--or at least post.

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Mikeyc and the monkey

I think you two have hit the jack daniels tonight. Talking about trolls is that what they called you when you first got on blogging last year? its okay I dont care. i just like to "F" with idiots is entertaining I must say. It is good to see some on here do have some savy and motzi like me!

What the hell is a troll anyway? I that it was some bitch under a bridge in the story book,

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Trolls & EMT Pay

Really, chill. Everybody knows the Troll under the bridge is male. Anybody ever have 1 of those cute DamnIt Dolls as a kid? I looked & I can't find where ParaMeds or EMT's make 100k. Looks like they start like cops & teachers in the underpaid 30's for education, etc. Not anwheres near the Million$ $ bonuses paid to "Wonderkid" bankers etc that create nothing but ghost money.

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WOW what class

you do know kids reads these don't you?

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MikeyC

I'm no artist---poet maybe.

You may be wrong about "them" not getting it, I think they do but don't want to hear it.

You mean there are more than one (us) out there?

I do need to do some more mountain talk (not coullard persun) and Sonnets. That draws out of me real stuff!

I'm not looking for fans however, just readers. I have written several books and haven't tried to publish them yet. May never in my lifetime.

Also, I don't consider myself any smarter than most here. Maybe just some by putting it down in writing. They are all better restaurant pickers, better pulled jerky eaters, better beer drinkers, better gunners, more appreciative of red-nek riviera, more religious (talking anyway), better judgment about politics (republican anyway, like Sarah better than I, love Cheney more, hate Clinton and Hillary more, detest Christian Carter more, Thought George was the cat's meow more, think Reagan was a benevolent King more, hate health insurance and welfare more, think women are inferior more, can overlook criminal acts by one party more than I, and might elect money stupid people like Deal and the Delaware lady, which I won't.
I can't even vote for Deal or the big rat! Will write in Jimmy Carter.

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Dollsparts/morphine

You made a comment about your fellow emts have to go to a patient that wants morphine 3 times a day but does not want to go to the hospital?

Who keeps tabs on all the morphine supplied to emts? Can you give me a name? This is a narcotic and is a controlled substance. Who is in charge of these Fayette County narcotics.

Just wondered because some language makes one think it is handled freely like Kool Aid!

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morphine control

We would need to hire three more people to measure useage on the road and pill counting at the hospital to control it.

So we don't control it really. We know what we are doing!

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Death Certificate for Mr. Denny

Pls tell me, in GA, is it not common for the attending physician at the time of death to issue the Death Certificate?

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Death Certificate for Mr. Denney

AtHomeGym maybe you could find out for us why the attending physician could not sign a death certificate. Maybe you could contact CJ Mowell and ask him.

We would all like to know what he has to say.

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Eyeopener

Eyeopener, Sounds like you need to open your eyes. I have a fulltime job as a teacher, I have a Masters Degree and a part time weekend job, so I do help my family. I also pay my taxes, own a home, and pay for my school and my husbands. Yeah, some people in Fayette County make six figures, if they are near retirement and are high in the ranks. If not, your salary is NO WHERE NEAR six figures. Obviously you need to get yourself a reality check, or a clue. Just because someone files a lawsuit doesn't mean it is legit. If it is, then those that were accused should have to pay and should be punished, but that is up to a judge to decide. Oh, and judges are public servants paid by taxpayers too, so I guess if they don't make the right decision you will never go to court either?

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I am just having a hard time swallowing this. You have a masters degree and a teacher and also hod down a part time weekend job?

Sounds to me you trying to live outside your means? Many families have many kids to raise and make the best they can sometimes with just one income. Sounds like somebody likes to blow money and hang at the beach. Should not have to hold down two jobs unless trying to live like a big shot!

Get for real! Who is going to feel sorry for you and your husband?

On the other hand I do commend your husband for his efforts to better his education for his job with this county. Hats off to him. At least he is not a loser! There are a lot of great emts and firemen in this county and they know who they are and so do I.

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Eyeopener, are you for real? First you misinterpret Beachgirl's

blog and accuse her of being lazy for not working to suppliment her husband's salary and when she says she has a master's degree, teaches and holds down a part-time job you accuse her of lying, wanting to live beyond her means, blowing money and trying to live like a big shot! You do not know their home situation, so how dare you make assumptions. Perhaps she and her husband happen to be some of the few people who feel obligated to pay their student loans in a timely matter, maybe they are helping elderly parents, maybe they have a child/children with special needs, or maybe they are saving to afford children or pay for children's college. Whatever the reason, it is none of your business. Care to tell us, honestly, the lever of your and your spouse's education, if both of you work or not, and if either of you do not why? Are you just lazy and hanging out trying to get those eye opened? If employed, what is you and your husband's pay scale? Are you trying to keep up with the Jonses? Living like a big shot? WHAT! You say it is none of my business--exactly--just as all of your questions pertaining to her finances were none of your business.

And before you light into me--I am not a nurse, EMT, Paramedic, doctor, coroner or indian chielf. Just sick and tired of ignorant people like you who jump to conclusions and make assumptions about people you know nothing about. You have really shown your level of intelligence in each of your blogs. Bless your little heart.

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Eyeopener and other Trolls

Please don't feed the trolls! Look at this creation date and read a few of the comments. They're just "bait" to get you riled up. There are several on the blog just joined this week. Afew new members joined to defend a profession and/or a friend. The're are pretty easy to pick out and usually post only once.

Trolls like this one are the kid down the block who used to listen in when we had party lines, stole the caps off tire air valves of cars and bikes, poked holes in anything with plastic on it, write's dirty words in fresh concrete and pick their nose.
The ONLY cure is just ignore.

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Bless your little heart

Thanks. I am glad you like my level of intelligence! God bless you!

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You get what you pay for...

Everyone is on here judging the EMT's on call that night, what about the coroner? If he thought something was done incorrectly, why didn't he immediately order an autopsy? Is he being sued?? Nope.. just the EMT's that work their behinds off at a job that they obviously love or they wouldn't be doing it. They sure are not doing it for the money. No public servant is in it for the money because they don't make a whole heck of alot. My husband works for Fayette County and I know what he makes. I also know that he busts his behind at work for 24 hours, plus goes to school to be a BETTER EMT/Paramedic, then leaves there, goes to a second job to help support our family because he doesn't make enough at his first job, which he won't leave because he loves it. Oh and by the way, we are Fayette County taxpayers too so I guess that "they work for me the taxpayer" doesn't apply to him. But of course, this never happens in other counties, just Fayette, who happens to have one of the best response times in the state of Georgia. So all of you who aren't going to call Fayette County EMS when you have an emergency, try calling another county, maybe they will get there by the time you stop breathing.

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Beach???

I have never been able to get anyone to explain how the 24 hours on 24 hours off works for such employees as your husband.

Since 40 hours is considered a week's work--does he work less than 2 days a week (48 hours). Or does he work more and get overtime?

I suspect that this is one of those questions usually not answered, but I don't know exactly why.If it is a political problem, it is OK!

Also, do you know what and EMT or a Paramedic's average salary is with say 10 years service? Including overtime, etc.
The most accurate way to determine this is to add up all the dollars all of them make including officers, and divide by the number of them.

Can't get those numbers from the county or cities.

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Actually they get paid a Crap

Actually they get paid a Crap rate, since they do not get overtime. 24 on and 48 off. Usually that's 72 hours a week. Their salary is no big secret. If you look on the government website under careers it is clearly stated there.

You guys are really showing your ignorance by making assumptions and accusations to someone over their username. Get over yourselves and your sad miserable lives.

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No, it's not "usually 72 hours a week."

While I agree with the rest of what u said, EMT's/paramedics are not "usually" working 72 hours a week. They work one 24 hr shift and then have 48hrs off and that isn't anything resembling 72hrs a week. Math...it's a good thing.

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hm. If someone works 24h on

hm. If someone works 24h on Sunday. Is off Mon and Tues... Then works 24 on Weds... off Thurs & Fri... then works 24 on Sat... does that not equal 72 hours?
Common sense... It's a GREAT thing.

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doll?

Yeah, but knowing a little about progressive math is even better!

Do it again, but keep going for a month. Then add up all the hours worked and divide by the four weeks to get an average hours worked per week for the month.
Work less some weeks than others, you see.

I don't mean to insult your math intelligence but it is always good to think ahead with math! Anyway, Sunday is the first day of a week!

Also, don't forget that they are there but can sleep if not on call. They get paid for that sleep, but if you are thinking how do they stay awake all of the time---there you are. Firemen are noted for being able to wake up, dress, and be on the truck by the time the exact location is determined and crews assigned. Food can also wait when an alarm sounds.

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CHR - I'll do the math for ya

Fire Departments nationwide work a variety of schedules including 10’s / 14’s, 24 / 48’s and 24 / 96 to name three of the more common types. The most prominent of these would be the 24 / 48, meaning working a 24 hour shift followed by two days off, which is also referred to as a 56 hour work week (average). This is typically all straight time, with most departments giving a day off without pay to employees, most commonly referred to as a “Kelly Day” every month or two to avoid going in to overtime, this based on the FLSA and employee worked hours. Almost all the departments in the entire metro Atlanta area work the 24 / 48 schedule which is considered one of the most cost effective staffing cycles, while providing the most resources (personnel) to respond and do the job.
As for sleep, all FD’s have sleeping quarters, but knowing you may have to go from zero to twenty in nothing flat, just think how restful sleep can be at the station. Also, with most departments, even around here it isn’t the norm to sleep all night, with calls going out at all hours. An ambulance call with transport can easily add up to two or more hours, even much longer if transported downtown.
During the day and evening there is training, inspections, cleaning of facilities and apparatus, fire hydrant maintenance, hose testing and maintenance and a host of other activities to keep personnel busy. Not all “sleep” on those 56 hour weeks.

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Beach girl

Sounds like you need to get off the beach and GET A JOB and help your husband provide for family!

Anyone can pull up on Google EMS salaries in Fayette County. Some make way over 100k a year.

Be a real woman and get a job and help husband! LOSER!

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eyeopener

Hey troll, I've seen your posted rants just chocked full of ignorance and mis-information and haven't posted anything, but with this one "Google EMS salaries in Fayette County. Some make way over 100k a year." I just had to chime in and state the facts - You're an Idiot!
You must be related to CHR/Dollar/Bonkers

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You get what you pay for....

I volunteered for a number of years with Fayette County. There are some fine men and women working for them. It is a stressful job and they are underpaid for what they do. The amount of money a paramedic makes is ridiculously low for the amount of responsibility they have. I'm not saying they made a mistake here, but they do happen. It happens in all jobs, even doctors. I'm sure they did the best they could in the situation.

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I'm sure?

There is no room for mistakes when you have someone's life in your hands.
How sure are you they did the best they could?

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what you pay for?

Are you suggesting it is my fault for not paying them more?

Should we fire them all, raise the salary, and hire better ones?

Or, simply accept what we get cheaply?

None of that has anything to do with this case!

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Look at the source of this info, folks!

This is an account of an alleged negligence from the PLANTIFF in the suit!

There are NO comments/rebuttals from the DEFENDANTS. All that is presented is hearsay.

The Plantiff has had since April of 2009 to consult with counsel and formulate the suit. A statement of Wrongful Death as presented in this case to be any less damning of the accused, would be negligence on part of the Plantiff's attorney.

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Good point...

Do you think, perhaps, the DEFENDANTS were advised by legal counsel not to make statements, comments, or rebuttals?

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If the persons posting to

If the persons posting to this thread that claim to work for EMT actually do, one might do better chancing a drive to ER or simply letting the hand play itself out unassisted.

You EMTs have not acquitted yourselves well here.

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No thanks to EMS....I agree

No thanks to EMS....I agree with Elvis. I don't know why in the hell I am gonna call for EMT for anything when I live 5 miles from the ER. Not after hearing from these EMT's on line here. I'll have my wife drive me.

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I can promise you fools

I can promise you fools something. If you dont call us, we wont call you.

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I CAN PROMISE YOU FOOLS

DontYouWorryBout!

I see you represent the mentality of all your family of EMTs and firefighters.

You just don't get it do you bubba? You work for me and my family of tax paying citizens. I think my brothers and sisters are a lot smarter and a lot bigger than your brothers and sisters.

I am going to be watching this case and I know listening to all of your comments and horrific remarks about Mr. Denney and the widow is as though you are making the remarks to their fellow brothers and sisters in this county. So be prepared because it is a lot more of us out there than all of you cronies that hate your job but not even grateful for your job when so many of my fellow citizens do not even have a job or food to eat. You lazy fat EMT!!!

Any and every person that reads your blog is smart enough to know you are SCARED and you must be one of the 11 ! You coward!

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"You work for me" ...?

What kind of power trip is this?
All the EMS employees that are posting on here are just aggravated about the bad things being said about the profession on here. So what's the need to talk crap saying you wouldn't call 911 if you were injured? I'm not saying that everyone is 100% on top of their job, but these people DO save lives, and I can actually say I've never spoken to a medical professional that hates their job... and even on bad days, these people know how to put the patient first.
And the complaining about being ABUSED as a taxi service... is a valid complaint... To call an ambulance three times in one day for morphine and NOT want to go to the hospital, or to call for a ride to the hospital with a broken NAIL (which has happened) is misuse of EMS service, and it is NOT right! When you call 911, and they ask... "What's your Emergency" ... THERE SHOULD ACTUALLY BE ONE. that's all. Why is that so hard to understand?

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dollparts13

If all this is the case and they can't take it, they should simply all quit.

Seems simple to me, if they don't like the job they should go do something else.

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Its comical how mad you

Its comical how mad you people get. I set up an account just to ruffle feathers, and boy did it work....

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Try not calling....

How about this. If you hate EMS so bad, DONT CALL. Handle things on your own, see how that works out for you. We get tired of being abused by you anyway. We are not your taxi cab's. I dont care if your have a Dr appointment over by Grady in the morning and "really" need to get downtown. Find another way....Losers

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Try not calling

Let me tell you one thing. You work for me the tax payer. I have to wonder if you are one of the 11 EMTs being sued? In the way you blog I can now know for sure the animosity in your words and you all must be evil and it must be truth in what was in the paper how Mr. Denney was treated that night! I will now pray for the safety of all my fellow tax paying citizens. hell is not big enough to hold all of you evil employees being paid with my money!

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Eyeopener ---Dear Sir or Madam---so all EMTs are evil---

If that is the case, then how do you account for the many sucessful trips they make to the hospitals--how many lives are saved? How many heart attack or stroke victims they got to the hospital in time to prevent death or permanent damage? I do not know anyone connected to this case. I do not know if you know or are connected to anyone in this case. I can only assume that if the responder who is being sued was as mean and hateful and unprofessional as he is painted that he would have been reported before. I have not read on this site or anywhere else that there were previous complaints against him. I can see where some of the other EMTs etc, who posted her have vented about people using emergency vehicles as taxis. I personally know of someone who calls an ambulance constantly to be taken to the hospital if she is upset with her family, wants attention etc. It matters not to her as Medicaid pays for all expenses. Usually, the same nite or following morning she is sent home--and again she calls an ambulance to take her home. If I were an EMT or other responder I would resent the time she is taking away from someone who really needs the service. As with all things, there are abuses.

I think instead of people making statements they cannot back up with actual facts, and making disparaging remarks about all EMTs, they should wait until this case goes to court and the true facts come out. That is the only fair thing to do.

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MYTMITE

Your last paragraph is a voice of reason, this board won't tolerate that you know.

Better be careful. ;-)