Fabricius shows Fayette’s ‘inherent racism’

As a plaintiff in the NAACP lawsuit against the Fayette County Board of Commissioners and the Board of Education, the article written by the chairman of the Fayette County Republican Party, Mr. Fabricius, more than justifies the lawsuit, which we WON.

The comments of Mr. Fabricius shows the inherent racism that has been practiced by Fayette County politicians and voters for decades. It is obvious by his tirade about the “travesty” of district voting, simply because African Americans want and demand the right to have full participation in county politics.

It amazes me as to why politicians and the Republican Party in Fayette County are so afraid to have an African American serve on the BOC and BOE?

Under the at-large voting system, it was almost impossible for an African American to be elected in Fayette County. The fact we have had only ONE African American elected county-wide is proof of that. And Mr. Floyd was appointed and then ran as an incumbent.

It has been said that we need to run qualified candidates. We have had attorneys, CPAs, business people and educators run for office. I dare anyone to say they weren’t qualified. They were more qualified than a mechanic who ran “to preserve our heritage,” got elected and reelected, was arrested on a drug charge and still remained a commissioner! Talk about qualifications. Please!

With district voting, any candidates who lives in the district, be they black or white, can run for election. That is what democracy is all about. The point of district voting is that whoever runs and wins will do so because the citizens of the district voted them into office because it was felt they represented the interests of those citizens, not someone they do not know anything about.

It is always interesting that Republicans are always holding up people like Clarence Thomas, Dr. Ben Carson and Condelezza Rice as great role models for black folks. While we may respect these people, we may not agree with their political views.

But, for some reason, you don’t seem to think we can think for ourselves, that we need a Republican to think for us. Why don’t you ever hold up Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Julian Bond, Dr. Joseph Lowery and people like them as our role models?

Mr. Fabricius, district voting may be a “travesty” to you and your party, but, one day it may prove to be your salvation.

Dan Lowry
Fayetteville, Ga.

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This is so stupid!!!

Dr. King would've laughed at the district voting mess.

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I hear you. debating with the disingenuous is totally counterproductive. It assigns creditability to the those with little or no credibility.These circular endless conversations really get boring after a while. This blog needs some fresh blood.

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I see the troll is back

Wash rinse repeat...and you guys continue to get suckered in to this one trick pony.

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You're all missing the point

Here's the point. Winning an election is all about votes. Getting votes requires effective campaigning and going to the polls. Not enough minorities are voting, and you never see them campaigning all over the county for local candidates. If more of them got out and voted, their candidates could prevail.

I've seen some top-notch minorities actively involved in Fayette County politics. I believe they have the county's best interest at heart, and would make excellent candidates with good countywide support.

The last county commissioners race involved a lot of volunteer work, campaign signs, pavement pounding for hours and hours, and door knocking. Many folks spent many hours working for the candidates they supported. Personally, I saw only one group of minorities campaigning with signs in Fayette County. This was on the courthouse square, and their candidate was Obama.

Obama's campaign strategy proved to be effective.

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Fayette doesn't support Democrats. Race is irrelevant.

"It is always interesting that Republicans are always holding up people like Clarence Thomas, Dr. Ben Carson and Condelezza Rice as great role models for black folks. While we may respect these people, we may not agree with their political views."

Why is it interesting? The point you're missing is that this county would overwhelmingly support a qualified Republican who is black. By using the collective "we" are you saying that all "black folks" are Democrats?

I'm not saying there isn't racism in this county, because there is plenty. But district voting is divisive and territorial. Previous black candidates in Fayette have lost because they were DEMOCRATS. Not because they were black.

Judge Floyd could have had any position he wanted in this county. Years ago Dylan Glenn beat Lynn Westmoreland in Peachtree City's district.

The lack of blacks in county government is due to their political party, not their race.

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Race based representation

The only racism I see going around here is the folks who apparently can only be represented by people their own skin color.

Why the hell are you guys so obsessed with race based representation? Just seems like the NAACP wants to slam the car in reverse.

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tikigod-NAACP has a plan

DM and the NAACP are aware of the fact that very very few black conservatives have even run for office here in FayCo. When I asked in another post I think 2 names were mentioned. Yet since they didn't win FayCo is a "Bastion of white supremacy". You are correct in your statement. But actually this is not about race. I mean you can't tell me that Herman Cain or Alan West couldn't move to FayCo and have any seat they wanted. Read inquiringminds post above. This is about the liberals executing a divide and conquer strategy. Divide FayCo into 5 districts and gain control one district at a time. And then before you know it you won't be able to tell FayCo from ClayCo.

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Herman Cain

Is a true conservative. We saw what the Republican Party did to him when he came too close to winning the primary presidential bid.

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Davids mom wrote:

Is a true conservative. We saw what the Republican Party did to him when he came too close to winning the primary presidential bid.

Not being one to defend the Repubs...what do you say they did to him?

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When his 9 9 9 comments pushed him into true contention in the Republican primary, a lady companion was introduced to the press where she shared a 'story'. Politics at it's best. Democrats have done the same. You have evidently forgotten as have his family and many of his supporters. This man has defeated prostrate cancer, maintained a respected marriage, and is a regular church goer .

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Herman Cain

There were actually 4 women who ultimately made accusations against him. Herman has never blamed anyone for orchestrating their complaints. I believe if he thought the Rep party was responsible, he would have left the party and gone Independent. And he had Colon cancer, not Prostate cancer.

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What you just saw was a classic example of DM creating her own set of facts. LOL She does this often when pinned down!!!

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You gentlemen know so much more than Herman Cain's wife. I bow to your infinite wisdom. Thank you for the correction of Mr. Cain's stage IV cancer. AHG, remember DEFCON1? You're always right!

Herman Cain believes in his principles - and not just Republican or Democrat political position. . . or so- called supporters. Wow! Do you really believe everything you read? There were many who believed that some of Mr. Cain's ideas had/have merit, regardless of politics - but too many fell for the 4 women story and went for 'other' candidates. It's called politics - and not everyone can survive the nasty side of the political games.

Another view of Mr. Cain's illness:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/10/herman-cain-cancer-survival-....

Unfortunately, there are too many who have lost loved ones to cancer. To make healthcare a political football is sad. For those Americans who have health insurance, Obamacare may not be an issue. There are citizens who are paying a very high monthly premium for healthcare - and as long as they are healthy, it may appear to be a financial headache. However, my family has just experienced an unexpected health issue which required surgery and a hospital stay (short). The cost before insurance? Over $40,000!!!!! Now those monthly premiums don't look so bad. If persons in Georgia elect not to take advantage of the insurance exchange, then those of us with jobs/income and continue to pay our taxes, will pay for their healthcare. What is the political alternative?

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Alternative???

The political alternative is simple if you want to help those without insurance and not take total control of peoples lives. You provide Medicaid to those that need it and charge on a sliding scale. Place a sin tax on things like alcohol and tobacco to help with the difference. You don't turn the entire system on it's head and force the majority into something they despise and not give people a choice. The government has no business running my healthcare. They can't even run the government!!!

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You don't turn the entire system on it's head and force the majority into something they despise and not give people a choice

Please share your understanding of the Exchange. Please tell me who is forcing me to change my healthcare insurance. Too many are without health insurance, but is it the majority of our citizens? Thank you.

Families will make informed decisions - I hope. If you and others have saved enough money to cover the cost of your own healthcare, I would hope that some legislator would add to the program that those who could afford to pay for their healthcare without the assistance of insurance, they should be exempted from being punished/fined for not getting insurance.

One has a choice to opt out - but I don't want my taxes paying towards their healthcare. This country will not let these people die in the 21st century.

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You do play the game to the end don't you? The company that I work for used to offer insurance from several companies. This year it's just one. The cheapest. Not the one I used to choose. Why? Because of the increased cost of Obamacare. (That is the company response) Yes insurance goes up each year anyway but they know how much of it is due to Obamacare. And yes many are without insurance but no it's not even close to the majority. Something does need to be done. But Obamacare is about control. Not insurance. I'm sure in your infinite wisdom you'll tell me I'm wrong without providing any backup. You know like when you used to say that the majority of people wanted Obamacare and I provided polls proving otherwise? And your response was something to the effect of Who believe's polls? They can be wrong. LOL

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You're fun to play with G35! Only you know how this health care situation will affect your family and you. Misinformation is unfair to the citizens of Georgia. Because of politics, Georgians are not getting the pros and cons of Obamacare or Common Core. Because of 'polls' - Georgians thought that Romney had won the election! (The polls had him ahead - remember ?) G35, you and AGH are always 'right'. I'm sure, sincerely, that you will make the best choice for you and your family. I must admit that my husband and I made good choices years ago - and thankfully we experienced great health in our younger years. There are challenges now - and we are most grateful for the 'insurance' that we have to take care of our needs without forcing a great financial hardship. If healthcare was at a reasonable cost, citizens wouldn't be so fearful of the cost of insurance. But that's another discussion.

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G35 now you know...

...if you walk out to see your car has a flat not only do you have to buy 4 new tires so do your neighbors.

Not only that if you can't pay for the new tires... everyone else pays for them..

That makes sense... right?

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LOL Right you are. What was I thinking????

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G35 & Medicaid

You do know that Medicaid is just another lending program don't you? Upon the eventual death of the patient, the local State Govt will file against the estate to recover whatever was paid by that State. I don't quite undersrtand how they legally do that, as the funds are a combo of both State and Federal dollars. But they will--I know--I have personally experienced it!

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Yes, but usually these people do not have anything for the government to get. The important thing would be that my plan does not force anyone to do anything. If you can care for yourself you do so. The medicaid is there for those that don't have another way to get care.

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G35 & Medicaid

Oh not always true! Whenone applies,your residence is exempted from the assets--which includes no more than 2 or 3K in the bank. In my case, my Mother had no money and no income other than Social Security. I personally supported her in her home for 6 yrs with 24x7 care but then funds shortage forced me to go the Medicaid route. She was in a Nursing Home for 2 yrs where she contracted Pneumonia and died. The State of NC then filed a claim against her estate for more than 43K! The house & land was only worth 33K--that was all that was left. I never took possession of the property and eventually abandoned it.

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AHG Medicaid

I'm sorry to hear that. My Dad suffered for years before he passed. I know what that does to a family. I just don't think that Obamacare is the answer. In fact I think it'll make things worse.

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128 years with 'white only' representation does cause one to pause and wonder. Racism on both sides of the issue is apparent. It's the county that is under observation and scrutiny. Someone here claims that there are no / or few Republican minorities in Fayette County. Interesting. Maybe there are none who care to combat some 'racist' feelings that haven't been adjusted in 128 years, (I know, I know, there was Judge Floyd - an exceptional human being - as all Republican leaders in Fayette County must be.)

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128 years
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128 years with 'white only' representation does cause one to pause and wonder. Racism on both sides of the issue is apparent. It's the county that is under observation and scrutiny. Someone here claims that there are no / or few Republican minorities in Fayette County. Interesting. Maybe there are none who care to combat some 'racist' feelings that haven't been adjusted in 128 years, (I know, I know, there was Judge Floyd - an exceptional human being - as all Republican leaders in Fayette County must be.)

So, what you are saying is that there are none who care to combat racist feelings? I am not buying that for one minute. I think the truth is that there aren't many Republican African Americans in Fayette County who want to run for office. I do not agree, nor will I ever agree with what the NAACP did with this lawsuit. It's further divided the community and only causes many more hard feelings on all sides. It has done NOTHING to unite the citizens.

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I speak and read English as do you and the participants here. As you shared, this is what I said:

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Racism on both sides of the issue is apparent.

. You are entitled to your interpretation. Evidently there are qualified whites and blacks who choose not to run for office. The NAACP challenged a voting practice in FC. That is being dealt with according to law. I will repeat , Fayetteville and PTC are role models of the 'new south' 50 years after the I Have A Dream speech. I don't have personal contact with those who feel they or their neighbors are racist.

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Remove the plank from your own eye first

Mr. Fabricius’ argument for at large voting for Fayette County is indeed flawed because it runs counter to Madisonian tenets of republic representation in favor of diffuse democracy. However, it is a tremendous stretch to vilify him as a racist based on his view of democracy

Conversely, Mr. Lowry makes no secret of his ethnocentricity and is willing to gerrymander an entire county – not for district representation – but specifically for a racial outcome. If anyone deserves a derisive sobriquet here, it is surely not Mr. Fabricius.

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Julian Bond

some don't think much of Bond, drug charges by his wife and all..

http://articles.philly.com/1987-04-15/news/26194978_1_drug-charges-cocai...

I know you mentioned a local and his drugs...I don't like him either..you said..."They were more qualified than a mechanic who ran “to preserve our heritage,” got elected and reelected, was arrested on a drug charge and still remained a commissioner! Talk about qualifications. Please!"

he was pot...Bond's wife accused him of the hard stuff...either way...neither is someone I would like my kid to look up to...

"But, for some reason, you don’t seem to think we can think for ourselves, that we need a Republican to think for us. Why don’t you ever hold up Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Julian Bond, Dr. Joseph Lowery and people like them as our role models"

"On May 14, 2013, while on MSNBC, Bond called the Tea Party the “Taliban wing of American politics"

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Role models? The political party does not always describe the character of our leaders. Thank heavens MLK preached 'love' and not revenge. We are progressing towards his dream. Non-violence, respect, and loving our neighbors as we love ourselves seems to work.

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"We are progressing towards his dream. Non-violence, respect, and loving our neighbors as we love ourselves seems to work."

Please advise where this is occurring because it's obvious that all of the news outlets have missed it. They also must have missed MLK's speeches in DeKalb and Clayton counties where the political party in power claims MLK as their own, and demographics should indicate the greatest levels of harmony in our state. Hmmmm....I wonder if MLK might more closely identify with the conservative values of the other party and rebuke the Dems, their racebaiting, and vote-buying by cell phones, section 8 housing, and food stamps for the lazy? Don't bother trying to preach about hating the poor, I'm in favor of helping anyone INCAPABLE of helping themselves but I have no use for the party that keeps the uneducated masses uninformed and on the government plantation. I believe MLK would have little use for them either.

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Cheap talk

IMO - the words found in that 'cheap talk' has saved this country from a lot of bloodshed. Those who cannot respect their neighbors, and find solutions via non-violence are stomping on the dream of all Americans - which is the dream for peace and liberty in our communities.

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"Please advise where this is occurring because it's obvious that all of the news outlets have missed it. They also must have missed MLK's speeches in DeKalb and Clayton counties where the political party in power claims MLK as their own, and demographics should indicate the greatest levels of harmony in our state."

When I 1st moved to Atlanta, it was Stone Mountain, and all was well, it was beautiful and a wonderful place to live...then the "harmony" took over. I was young and single and couldn't walk the streets. It was scary.

Then I moved to little Tucker, got married and had a child. It got scary too. Divorced, I was very afraid raising my child there. "harmony" again. I would go to work very early Sunday mornings....leaving my child tucked in...only to see street gangs from Sat night still roaming the main little street of Brocket Rd! Unless you were up that early, you would have no idea what was out there looking for a way in! They didn't live there...noting but and elderly area, all sleeping, little knowing of the thugs I saw till they were robbed in their sleep.

Now, I've moved here and put down roots. Only to see "harmony" coming over my shoulder. It is so sad to work all your life and see it go up in smoke and your property worth less. My next move will be to another state where "harmony" doesn't devalue your property and schools.

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When did you move to Stone Mountain? (with all of it's harmony) I had relatives who were KILLED in Stone Mountain by a 'REPUTABLE' organization with three capital letters!! It is difficult for me to call Stone Mountain even harmonious today. There are 'blacks' and 'whites' in Stone Mountain who live in beautiful homes and live side by side in harmony - and there are 'blacks' and 'whites' in Stone Mountain who live in poverty - and have difficulty getting along. In Fayette County, where demographics of the 'whites' and minorities are very similar (kindred tastes) there is harmony in day to day living. Criminals, those who don't accept responsibility of citizenship, come in all colors. (And politics makes strange bed fellows - and can be the cause of disharmony) You're not alone suggarfoot - but in this country, thank God, you are a minority.

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I'm sorry that you depend on the news media to tell you what is happening in your life. In our country, the uneducated come in all colors. In today's economy, too many middle class citizens have slipped into the class who needs assistance. MLK based his actions on expressing love through non-violent action based on respecting all mankind. I'm sorry, but fortunately I have met very few people in Fayette County who find it difficult to treat their neighbor with respect and dignity. MLK would not judge, but hope they would follow his actions towards others. MLK expected all Americans regardless of political party to 'do the right thing'.

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Why would I need the news media to tell me what is happening in my life? I see it every day, whether working either one of my two jobs or while taking care of my family and personal business on my occasional day off. Your dreams of unicorns and rainbows have little to do with the realities of the world or our nation and your lofty ideals of respect and dignity are lovely until you're trying to explain them to a carjacker from Riverdale. Good luck to you.

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Your dreams of unicorns and rainbows have little to do with the realities of the world or our nation and your lofty ideals of respect and dignity are lovely until you're trying to explain them to a carjacker from Riverdale

If a so-alled intelligent person equates a skin color with criminal acts, generations of my family would still be sitting on their porches with shot guns. The world had changed, criminals come in all colors. In my youth criminals were supposed to be ALL white males with pick up trucks , Most residents judge their neighbors by their actions . The dream is not based on unicorns , but the basic goodness found in most citizens in Fayette County. You represent the group that our young people consider antiquated

Good luck to you too.

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You may get your little district, but you will not get our respect. If you could point to one thing you have taken over and show you improved it, it would be different.
We residents are refugees from your other experiments in Clayton, DeKalb, S Fulton, who have seen 1st hand what putting someone in office cause they are black and want their way has done. It has destroyed so much that we have built. You have 'built' nothing. Just taken over very well run areas and destroyed them. This will be no different. Why can't you accept what you can do and be happy with it...run fast and dance and leave the rest to those that know how to accomplish the hard stuff.

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Suggarfoot - I

I take it all back. Your words speak for your heart and I assume for your actions as well.

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Enough said

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Agreed

Just a tad over the top....and not needed here

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Most likely

Wrote this before she went to church tonight.

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How about we just give the portion of the County you want?

You rename it and run it. Obviously Fayette county is not good enough in its current state. You could even merge with Clayton and use their services...they have district voting....

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District Voting

I have no problem with district voting if the NAACP's map was not drawn to make a gerrymandered Minority majority district. That is racist. Most of us don't care if the member is black white or hispanic but we don't want another Clayton County with left leaning democrats taking over the county. It is not about race but conservative versus liberal.

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Are the people who contribute here really that unaware of who the 'black' people are who have lived here for years? Is the Secretary of the Fayette County Republican Party - who happens to be 'black' a liberal Democrat? Is she the only 'black' Republican/Conservative in Fayette County? Do you mean to tell me that there are no 'black' people who attend Republican meetings in Fayette County? These are not rhetorical questions. There are 20% minority citizens in Fayette County - and it is not 'Clayton'. It looks like a person of 'color' is running for office. Is this person a Democrat? Thanks for your answer. Davids Mom is a moderate/liberal Democrat who is African American - but I certainly don't speak for all 'blacks' in Fayette County - and don't have neighbors who have allowed their homes, their community , etc. to 'run-down'. (and I've been here for 10 years) Gerrymandering has been a tool for racism, power-gaining, elitism, etc., etc., etc. since the practice began.. The reason for the Republican's Party problem with 'race' is because of the incorrect assumption that all African-Americans are left-leaning Democrats in Fayette County. IMHO.

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DM oh come on

African American voters are more than likely to vote Democrat, look at the statistics. The is not a stereotype but based on voting patterns. Heck, I have a bunch of black relatives who are the biggest liberals ever. You can't get my Uncle and Grandpa in a room with out it getting ugly on political debates. Yes there are conservative African Americans and some really great ones. I lived in Clayton and had no problem in living in an area that was 50% African American since I grew up that way. The problem I had was when the Deomcratic party took control over Clayton County in the late 90s (and the statistics went up to over 90% African American and Republicans had no way of getting voted in)thank goodness we moved when we did or we would have lost all our hard earned money on our home(are old home is currently only worth 50% what we paid for it)..we broke even. I lived in a great neighborhood and had no problem until safety and the school quality became an issue. And parts of North Fayette are looking like Clayton did 10 years ago, race or not. I don't care what color a candidate is...but the Gerrymandering is about creating not just a district that would vote in an African American but a Liberal one. I am insulted that you have gone off on my post.

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rmoc-You are correct

Only about 7% of the black population is registered as Republican. DM will in her way of slanting try to make you think that the percentages are closer to 50%. She knows better. You are 100% correct in the point you're trying to make.

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Didn't mean to insult you - but I have met Republican/conservative 'black's ' here in Fayette County. Do they just not participate? Do they only associate with Atlantans? (I'm not trying to be funny - I'm really surprised. Before Obama - I knew many, many 'black' Republicans in California. Most were business people, conservative - etc. I admit that after Obama - and the 'stuff' that he has been put through because of his color and heritage, almost all African-Americans have voted for him. . . no doubt. Regarding gerrymandering - if the Democrat Party finds that it has a chance of getting a Democrat elected in Fayette County - you can bet your bottom dollar that they will do all in their power when redistricting comes around to 'gerrymander ' a district for their benefit. Republicans and Democrats do that all the time - it is nothing new. What is new - that in Georgia, it is being done based on 'race' in a county that hasn't elected a person of color for some 128 years. Years ago, the schism between liberals and conservatives did not have the racial overtones that it appears to have today. I have been in the south for the past 10 years - and may have incorrectly attributed that schism to southern attitudes. I admit I don't do much 'politic's when I go to California or other parts of the country to visit friends and relatives. I too, however, have proud black relatives who are Republican and conservative. I just don't understand that there appears to be a perception that there are 'none' here in Fayette County. You partially answered my question. Are there black Republicans here in Fayette County who identify themselves with the local Republican Party? (I know they are here. . they're friends of mine - we just don't discuss politics.)

By the way - I have met many former Clayton County residents - black and white - who feel exactly the same about what happened in Clayton and their property. Most that I have met left before the politics became 'black'. But honestly rmoc - the 'white' politics here, according to the posters in this discussion - aren't that much better IMO.

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