Familiar county roads getting new look as West F’ville Bypass arrives

Say hello to the next section of the West Fayetteville Bypass. Now under construction is the stretch that parallels a portion of Tillman Road (the narrow strip of roadway on the right). The current section runs from Sandy Creek Road and proceeds north, as pictured, extending to Eastin Road. Photo/Ben Nelms.

There is a new landscape beginning to emerge along the initial section of Phase 2 of the West Fayetteville Bypass. Virtually all the trees along the right-of-way and easement are down from Sandy Creek Road to Tillman Road to Eastin Road and work is expected to begin soon that will raise the grade of the road 4-to-6 feet on the north side of the section where it will intersect with Eastin Road.

Crews have been removing trees along the right-of-way and easement for the past few weeks while construction crews continued grading work from the intersection of Sandy Creek Road and Tillman Road and for the approximately 3,000 feet to the north where Tillman Road currently parallels the bypass. The area where Tillman curves to the northwest will see the bypass continue on a northward track where it will intersect with Eastin Road.

Work on the grade of the road from the Tillman curve to Eastin Road will require additional time to complete because that portion of the roadway will require a significant amount of fill dirt to bring the grade up to 6 feet from where it currently sits, said county project manager Carlos Christian.

Christian said the county has right-of-entry on all the properties in the current section and is waiting on the right-of-way acquisition to be completed on up to three properties.

While not part of the new roadway, the portion of Tillman Road from Sandy Creek Road to the curve will become an easement area.

Construction on the Sandy Creek Road to Eastin Road section is expected to be open for traffic sometime next fall, depending on weather conditions.

The second and final section of Phase 2 will extend from Eastin Road to West Bridge Road at Ga. Highway 92. Negotiations to acquire the right-of-way for the Eastin/West Bridge section are ongoing.

Christian said previously that the final section is expected to go to bid later this year with construction expected to be completed approximately two years from the time of the contract award.

Christian said some simultaneous construction could occur in the two sections, though the phase north of Eastin Road is primarily in the right-of-way acquisition stage.

Phase 2 of the bypass totals 4.5 miles, running from approximately a half-mile south of the Tillman Road/Sandy Creek Road intersection north to the intersection of Hwy. 92 and West Bridge Road.

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"Work on the grade of the road from the Tillman curve to Eastin Road will require additional time to complete because that portion of the roadway will require a significant amount of fill dirt to bring the grade up to 6 feet from where it currently sits, said county project manager Carlos Christian."

you may not realize it, but to fill in a low area is extremely expensive.

I drove down Tillman Sunday. I was surprised at the number of people out doing the same thing. None of us lived on the road but all stopped each other to comment on how sad it looked. There were several common statements among all. Tillman didn't have to be ruined. It was one of the prettiest roads in Fayette county. They could have left Tillman as a dirt road and moved a hundred yards over into the developers cow pasture and not ruined it. It served no purpose. Tillman is a very old road and like most old roads are very deep. They are expensive to fill in and level up. It would have been so much more cost effecient to jump over into the level cow pasture. But alas, the developers would have lost some high priced lots.

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PHOTOS-W. Fayetteville Bypass Land Acquisition/Taking

County Project Manager Carlos Christian.
"Christian said ...is waiting on the right-of-way acquisition to be completed on up to three properties."

What this means is that the county is waiting to take the property from the folks along the route who don't want to sell. But in order to do so, they have to wait for the lawsuits to be settled.

In spite of the lawsuits, they are still pushing on through the property that they have condemned and taken from the owners ...

See some of the photos of the work crews as they push forward with the Fayette County Board of Commissioner's agenda ... to build a road that no one wants ... except the developers ...

http://www.kombatkamera.com/Journalism/Local-News/News-Stuff/7952631_Mx8...

Mike

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West Bypass Land "Taking"

West Bypass Land "Taking" describes the situation perfectly. We were told there would be a crew with chainsaws on our property.

I was approached by a county employee and asked if I wanted to be notified before the crew came on my property.

I said, "Yes. That would be very helpful."

I was asked if I wanted to receive notification by phone or email.

Since we had requested many times before to be notified by phone before workers would be coming onto our property and none of those requests had ever come to fruition, I requested that we be notified by email the night before the workers would be coming.

That very polite and friendly request also did not materialize. However, to be perfectly honest the county employee who had approached me in the first place has come through today. I received an email today saying that a crew will be on our property tomorrow with the drilling machine to make geological borings due to the huge rock formations found on our property.

Even though the "taking" of our property has not been through the legal system, we have not been paid for our property, and construction for that phase of the W. Bypass wasn't supposed to start for another year, none of that mattered.

Just to be perfectly clear, we know of another family, whose property was in way of Phase I of the Bypass, and that family was treated exactly the same way. The County took the property, constructed Phase I through it, and opened Phase I with great publicity.

Believe it or not, the County still hasn't gone through the legal process with the Phase I family and they still haven't been paid for their property. Public traffic is allowed to use a road that was built across property the County hasn't paid for. We were told that every time a Court date approached, the County said they were not ready to go to Court.

According to our attorney, it is all perfectly legal.

The County saw fit to send their Independent Contractors onto our property with a huge piece of equipment called a track hoe instead of the previously stated "chainsaws." That huge machine is capable of taking down very large trees. When all was said and done, the Independent Contractor had cut a swath through our twenty acres a little wider than one lane of the Bypass.

Fayette County is destroying property they haven't paid one cent for, and it is legal. Fayette taxpayers pay high property taxes each year. We have all paid our share of the 2003 Fayette Transportation SPLOST. However, the County does not have to pay a taxpayer for their property until the COUNTY IS READY!

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IF the County is working on building a road through property

they do not own, I certainly do not approve of that.

IF your property has been taken as you say, there had to have been a deed signed, etc..these are public records...

I would be very interested in knowing more info on this parcel. Something sounds fishy.

Put the facts here....

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No facts posted yet..

Still waiting, and curious.

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Spy: Sounds like part of the property was already condemned

As far as FC goes, that means it is "their" property now to do with what they want, not Ginga's or any other landowner.

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You don't just condemn property..

without deeds being recorded, etc...

Like I said above, still waiting on specific facts.

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The idea is to finish it before they are booted out of office

I mean come on. They have obligations ...ha ha.. they will do the bidding at all cost. Then once we get them out of office...who are these homeowners going to sue? The county! And these jokers will be long gone. We will pick up the tab. They have nothing to loose. They know they are gone next election.

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Legal Question for our CrooksCriminals in office

The county commission has ordered workers to work on property it doesn't LEGALLY own.? So who will be held liable in the event of an unfortunate accident? The taxpayers?? The contractor??? The person who still holds the title to the land?

If the court finds in favor of the LEGAL owner of said property how much will the taxpayers have to pay to restore the land?? Will the crooks we voted into office be held accountable for damages to property they don't LEGALLY own??(wow how much pot would they have to sell to pay for those damages? )
Will they pay off a judge to bully their way through court??? ( Naw, they would never do that ....right????)

This sounds like a huge liability and an accident waiting to happen. Soooo if I'm following the crooks and criminals in office, if I'm following their lead...I guess I could order bulldozers onto their property to build whatever I want. Since you don't LEGALLY have to own the property to do whatever you want on it, I guess the taxpayers of Fayette county should have free reign over our criminal politician's property. Since the precedent has been set, why not?

Our county criminals on the commission smell like they should be working for the city of atlanta or clayton county.

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skyspy, Legal Question

You have raised some very valid legal points, and that is precisely why I asked to be notified whenever workmen would be on my property. I specifically told the county employee that I have 2 dogs. Even though I have a fenced back yard, if my dogs were in the fence when workmen were there, they might dig out. One of my dogs will bite strangers who come on our property.

The liability factor is precisely why I asked to be notified.

Thanks for raising these legal questions.

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Ginga : Fayette Criminal politicians

Until a judge decides one way or other, ie you keep your land or forfeit ; until a judge decides the county is trespassing on your land.

I understand your concerns and your lawyer should be addressing them, and so should our local news agencies and their investigative reporters.

I thought they would have to wait for your appeal before they started work. We know they will pay off or bribe the judge that is a given. How can they justify confiscating someone's property for a road that goes nowhere and actually takes a longer route than the current roads we had?

If one of those county workers gets hurt on your property I think they will try to hold you liable. Ask your lawyer, but I think to protect yourself and to prove that you did not allow workers on your property you have to file a criminal trespass report with the sheriff's dept. Get it in writing, that way you can prove that you did not allow them there. The county was trespassing and if they get hurt while trespassing on your property the county meaning the rest of us taxpayers will be liable. You need to protect yourself, because our scumbag untreated sewage politicians have already proven that they don't care about your rights. Construction accidents happen all of the time and I wouldn't put it past our current band of rabid raccoons to stick it to you for their injured workers. Channels 2, 5, and 11 all have investigative reporters and the news has been kind of slow lately, this might be just what they need. Maybe they can follow the money trail to our politicians bank accounts so we can see just how dirty this deal really is.

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Can condemned property be uncondemned, or maybe just have to pay more for the land?

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"Our county criminals on the commission smell like they should be working for the city of atlanta or clayton county."

Does sound like they are taking lessons from them doesn't it?

I have no dog in the fight, but have kept up with it. Way back when Rivers was built in the middle of no where, I looked up on the county site who owned the land around it. The whole thing reeked back then. It was rezoned before the bottom fell out of the economy for small lots. The real stinker, and I mean it literally, is that it was zoned for a community septic tank. They have one of those communites in Tryone and it has had many large stinky problems. The community septics were outlawed in Coweta.

The worse deal is that unless Fayetteville incorporates that area, they will go ahead with the septic deal or 'community outhouse' as I like to call it. The county water dept has already stated that if it failed, the county will pay for the upkeep. In other words..AGAIN...the taxpayers are putting money out for developer welfare. What incentive does the developer have to make it work if they aren't responsible for the outcome?

This whole deal would indeed make the city of Atlanta and Clayton county officials envious of the screw job to the taxpayers. Just my thoughts

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OMG Community Septic System?

Who in the hell would be stupid enough to buy a home there?? I thought Fayette county had such "high" standards, tough ordinances to keep everything nice? You are right the crooks/politicians of Atlanta will be jealous that they didn't come up with something like this first.

The new Fayette county poltician/criminal motto:" if there is a tree growing, there is space to build a cluster home" or "we can only ruin one county at time, then we will move somewhere else where nobody knows us"

How much money or "gifts" did they have to accept to approve community septic for a development?

Which group approved this? Was it the wheelchair dude playing the handicap card and jackoff the 2 that we got rid of, or was it the current group of crooks? How long ago was this community raw sewage thing approved?

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Which developers?

Name one chomping at the bit to get started developing?

I'll hang up and listen.

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Spyglass, I'll Name Several Developers

The last time I checked county records, ARC Enterprises LLLP owns 370 acres around Rivers Elementary School. When I contacted them to find out who I would speak to about the development of that land, I was told to call Bob Rolader and Brent Scarbrough. They are well known developers in Fayette County.

Austin Builders, John Austin owner, was listed as owning 98 acres across from Rivers School on Tillman Rd. However, I was also told that Austin Builders sold that piece to another developer. I haven't verified that yet.

There is a small 21 acre tract owned by developers Dan Stinchcomb and Ned Walker in the Whitewater Creek/Eastin Road area.

John Wieland Homes owns 229 acres. That acreage is listed in the name of Highway 92 LLC, and that corporation is owned by John Wieland Homes. The Bypass meanders through that property and another developer property that is adjacent.

Now we come to Green Development Co. and Fayette Builders both of those companies are owned by Ed Wyatt. The Green Development property, which consists of 242 acres is on the East side of Lee's Mill Road with a small portion adjacent to Lee's Mill. When the Bypass goes through that 242 acre tract, Mr. Wyatt will have a huge amount of road frontage to access that property on either side of the Bypass. The Fayette Builders' 91 acres is on the West side of Lee's Mill. The map I have shows that property has an extremely small access piece on Lee's Mill. In other words, the map I have shows that piece of property being almost land locked. That piece of property sits behind my house. When the Bypass goes through, it will fragment my property leaving a small portion of my property on the Fayette Builders (Ed Wyatt) side of the Bypass and then it will run adjacent to the Fayette Builders property. By last calculations, Green Development Co./Fayette Builders/Ed Wyatt will receive close to 1/2 mile road frontage along the West Bypass. Ed Wyatt owns many service stations in Fayette County and was a large supporter of Jack Smith and Eric Maxwell in their last campaigns.

Just before the economy collapsed Driven Development/Becker Homes was able to build 4 homes on a tract that runs from Hwy. 92 to where the Bypass will run adjacent to that property. Two streets were paved in that development but only 4 homes were built. The map shows 19 lots. When the Bypass was mapped out to run through my front yard, I had a conversation with County Engineer Carlos Christian discussing the possibility of running the Bypass along the little gravel road in front of my house. Mr. Christian said, "Oh, No. We can't do that because it would run right into the Fairhaven Lakes subdivision where they are building those million dollar homes." The 4 homes in the Fairhaven Lakes/Driven Development/Becker Homes subdivision are not even close to being million dollar homes.

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Developers own about all vacant land in FC...

..and most everywhere else. That doesn't mean they are jumping up and down ready to build the moment they can. Matter of fact, a lot of prime undeveloped land is sitting around FC and Coweta right now(and has been for years) because developers are either not getting the financing needed and/or there are no potential tenants for the property if it was developed right now.

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Don't you know if a developer owns some land it will be developed or sold to another developer? Alll OK unless they used someone to get it.

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Name one chomping at the bit?

That land across from Rivers is owned by developers. Why do you think they built Rivers in the 1st place? The land behind Tillman rd is owned by developers. Why oh why do you think rather than condeming private property along Tillman Rd they didn't just jump about 100 ft over into the rather large cowpasture and buy the land much cheaper and leave Tillman rd alone? If all was above board that would have been a lot cheaper and easier. It is because it has already been mapped out and rezoned for a subdivision. The developer would loose land that they hope to make a mint off of. Fayette county commisoners and back room buddies much rather go after the little guys. This is common knowledge about the subdivisons. One person that lives at Tillman and Sandy Creek has already seen the drawings.
They are selling to the developer who owns the land behind them. Where their house now sits is suppose to be the entrance to the development.

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You still didn't answer the questiion..

Most any open land that is owned could be said to be owned by developers, or someone who might sell to a developer if the price was right. I'm still not sure how the guys that voted on this road are going to get rich....nobody has been able to explain that to me yet.

Who are these developers chomping at the bit to get going? And why is "developer" such a dirty word with some posters on here? Do you all live in grass huts on property you don't own?

And as far as schools sitting under utilized, with what happened in the economy, I think it's a fairly easy thing to figure out. Had things kept going, and the schools not been built, folks with kids in school now would be complaining about being over crowded.

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Spyglass, Check That Developer Reply Again

I replied to your question concerning the developers. It just took a little while for the reply to go through. It is titled, "Spyglass, I'll Name Several Developers."

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And the keyword is..if..

"And as far as schools sitting under utilized, with what happened in the economy, I think it's a fairly easy thing to figure out. Had things kept going, and the schools not been built, folks with kids in school now would be complaining about being over crowded."

If. Most people don't put their money out there on speculation unless they like Las Vegas. But it was OUR money, funny money you might say, that the BOE group were having a learning experience with.

You don't build schools in anticipation. You build them on fact.

We still own millions of dollars worth of land that the BOE bought and now can't unload. That was shear stupidity. If a developer is going to build a development...YOU MAKE THEM DONATE THE LAND FOR THE SCHOOL. You don't run out and buy land like a giddy school girl at a makeup counter in anticipation of a date with the football star. If you make them put their money where their mouth is, they would have got them to donate the land at least.
As it is, things went sour and we are holding an empty school and millions of dollars worth of land around another school, that some very uneducated BOE members bought/built, hoping (I think) to improve their social status with the movers and shakers.

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I personally can only conclude one thing

We have some crooks on the Fayette county board of commissioners. That is my opinion. I'm sure that is a complete surprise and no one else shares the same view. ho ho.

What a travesty!

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I promised to fight the West Fayetteville Bypass and Commissioner McCarty, hundreds of citizens and I have done everything possible to stop the project. Phase III was canceled.

The enormous waste of funding associated with this Road to Nowhere is a tragedy. The majority of three commissioners are allowing the financial strength of the county to dwindle with deficit budgeting and poor decisions when we could have used the funds from the bypass to make the budget whole.

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There is one other thing to conclude, sugarfoot

All you silly little people that voted for Steve Brown because he promised to stop the WFB were defrauded. Can't imagine how anyone believed his line of BS, but obviously some did - enough to get him elected. Wonder how many people actually voted for him, or were they just voting against the incumbent?

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"Silly Little People" Is An Attitude

I voted for Steve Brown and Allen McCarty because I knew without a shadow of a doubt that they would "TRY!"

And, TRY they have, repeatedly. I would rather have two people fighting for me than no one fighting for my side.

Also, there are no "silly little people" in this world. We all matter. "Silly little people" is an attitude that needs to be adjusted.

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And your side is exactly what?

You silly little person. Who are you against? Or for?-

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I voted for him because he tried..

That is all anyone can do. He never said he would, he and McCarty tried. I'll take those two over the toker, the thumper, and the sleeper any old day.

By the way, I'm not a 'silly little people' as you put it. I don't vote Rep or Dem, I vote the Suggarfoot party. Meaning who ever is doing what I think is correct.

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He tries for sure. He tries very, very hard.

He tries to insert himself into issues that will position him as an outsider fighting against the system with no expectation that he will prevail or even make a difference. He is like President Obama - always complaining about "them" and their obstructionism without ever offering a specific plan to solve whatever problem is being discussed. A specific plan means something written down with numbers and funding sources that can be scored by the CBO.

Sure he tries, but the idea that he in there fighting for us is ludicrous. He is in there for himself, the publicity and eventually the votes when he makes another try at state-wide office after he has a two-year run as chairperson of the county commission. I agree that you are not a silly little person because you do seem to have a grasp of most issues, but the Sugarfoot party needs to analyze things a bit more deeply when it comes to our maverick county commissioner.

And the three you have such cute and funny nicknames for are actually very effective at what they do. They also have no intention of representing the average citizen of Fayette County. They were supported by business interests and they are acting exactly as their supporters expect them to act - like royalty that passes out favors to the gentry on the backs of the serfs.

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mudkitty, You Are Right and You Are Wrong

You are right about the 3 amigos being "supported by business interests and they are acting exactly as their supporters expect them to act."

However, I know for a fact that you are wrong about Steve Brown. If you had been to commission meetings since Mr. Brown has taken office, you would have heard him repeatedly give facts, figures, and documentation to support each and every issue that has been in contention before the commission. I have seen his facts, figures, and documentation. Many other citizens have evaluated Mr. Brown's facts, figures, and documentation and have found them to be more than valid. The problem there has been that the 3 amigos would not allow Mr. Brown's information to be presented to the public.

Mud, the Bypass is going through my property. Hundreds of people have been fighting the construction of the road for many years. Since I have a huge interest in whether or not the road is built, I would never ever lend my support to someone unless I was completely sure they were honest in their motives. The people who have been fighting the Bypass, including myself, are not ignorant. We are well educated and intelligent people. We do our home work. We research the facts and figures, and we obtain documentation to support those facts and figures.

Thanks so much, mudcat, for your interest. Thanks for your comments. They provide fuel for the conversations to expand and expound.

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County Commissioners favors off the backs of the serfs

"They were supported by business interests and they are acting exactly as their supporters expect them to act - like royalty that passes out favors to the gentry on the backs of the serfs."

On this we agree. They were elected by business interest and the average taxpayer would have been too busy to notice just how badly they were being used if it hadn't been for the bottom falling out of the economy.

It wasn't just the commissioners. There was a block of 3 on the Board of Education that took our tax money and built Rivers Elementary. A selling tool for the new projects that were to go in. That was disgusting and I don't even want to go there. As I've said before, we have 3 out of 4 of the favorite schools for out of county kids in this area. The BOE rep from our area, in my eyes, made no attempt to clean them out, but used poor Burch elementary's so called 'overcrowding' as a rallying cry to push on with building Rivers right out in the middled of developer owned cow pastures.

What is a crime is that the average taxpayer is too busy running up and down the road, trying to support their families, to pay attention to what these fools are doing till it is too late. The taxpayers trusted these people and for that all they got is higher taxes and their money used to help big money get richer.

If I was Frady, as old as he is, I would be scared to meet my maker. As for the other two, when anyone corners Hearn, he wraps himself in his self rightous BS to do battle, like he is the only one with an inside track to God. How disgusting. Horgan just blows it all off and with a straight face starts talking about oranges instead of apples. Maybe I need some of that.

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horgan should have resigned

after lighting up a fat one

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