Armed robbers strike PTC Target

Armed robbers strike PTC Target

The Target store in Peachtree City was robbed at gunpoint Tuesday night by two men, one of whom was armed with a black semi-automatic handgun, police said. [VIDEO BELOW.]

The two male aggressors entered the store as employees were attempting to close for the evening around 10 p.m., police said. They threatened several employees and customers, and forced employees to open several cash registers, police said.



Police said the robbers were only inside the store for a short period of time and fled on foot after getting away with an undisclosed amount of cash. At this point in the investigation no vehicle description is available, police said. The first suspect, the gunman was described as “possibly a white male” wearing black clothing and with a black T-shirt wrapped around his head. He also was carrying a blue backpack. The second suspect was described as “possibly a hispanic male or black male” with a medium complexion who also was wearing black clothing and a red T-shirt wrapped around his head. The second suspect also was carrying a gray backpack. Anyone with information about this incident is asked to call Peachtree City Police detectives at 770-631-2510 or the crime and narcotics information hotline at 770-487-6010. Callers may remain anonymous.
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Support our police???

You say support our police, well I say it's about time they support our safety. They need to stop pretending this is Mayberry and start policing. Patrolling Target in the middle of the afternoon and giving a middle aged woman a ticket for improper parking on a GOLFCART is not what they need to be concerned with, yet it does bring the city money where as catching crooks does not.

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I wouldn't suggest that cops sit in front of Target 24 hours a day! Also, no harm in a needed ticket while sitting there.

The word "Patrol" seems to suggest that they not sit in front of Target, but "Patrol."
That takes a lot of gas and takes them away from Target!

It is like Terrorists---hiring hundreds of thousands of government "watchers and searchers does not stop an individual from blowing up, poisoning, or shooting someone or may someones!

They won't use planes again anyway---takes too long to prepare.
I would list you a dozen terrible things they could do, but I would then be on "the list."

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Open Carrying puts you at a

Open Carrying puts you at a tactical disadvantage. Bad guys already have a gun in their hand and yours is visible giving them the advantage. They spot you first, you're not going to draw and shoot before them. They're already a step ahead of you. Having it concealed gives you options.

GeorgiaCarry.org means well, but many of the people that join are lunatics. My last experience with some of their supporters was at a gun show.. they're just standing around in their T Shirts harassing passerbys in attempts to get them to join their organization. In the long run, they're only going to make all permit holders look bad.

That being said, I've carried a weapon for many years. I've carried concealed and when faced with a situation, I was able to successfully eliminate the threat.

You walk in a business OC'ing.. you're drawing attention to yourself. Some people may need the attention.. I'm just fine without it. I carry to protect myself and my family.

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If more people would carry

open or otherwise it would curb the misuse of weapons eventually.

It would also remove the stigma attached to being seen with a weapon by those who don't carry if it were more common.

If a perp walks into a place to rob and sees 9 out of 10 people carrying openly he's going to get nervous in a hurry and that's a good thing.

If it becomes common knowledge that people are carrying a weapon then there is no advantage for the perps to threaten with a weapon so they avoid the nervousness unless they are just after the blood bath which is not likely.

Hot lead is dangerous but not always lethal and not everyone considers this but more people should.

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BHH

You are weird.

They tried this is Tombstone in the 1800s!

The MAFIA DOES IT NOW.

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Roundabout, it worked then

and it will work again now.

The Mafia keeps a lot of crime in check.

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Disparaging GeorgiaCarry is not a good idea

They have fought, since their inception, to change the gun laws for law abiding citizens and have been one of the most successful groups in the entire nation, when measured on a state-by-state basis.

They overturned a racist "public gathering" law that was enacted during the Jim Crow law era, have made it mandatory for permits to be in the hands of citizens n later than 40 days after receipt of application, eliminated the school safety zone exemption (we have born the brunt of overzealous reactionary legislation in the wake of Columbine, VA Tech, etc.) and countless others.

You enjoy the current freedoms of carrying in GA BECAUSE of GeorgiaCarry, and them alone. I challenge you to disabuse me of this notion and name an organization that had done more for your 2A rights here in GA.

As for your OC vs. CC argument, you need to look up georgiapacking.org and read through the debate there, as LEOs, lawyers, military, and regular citizens will show you that your reasoning is wrong. I'm not going to continue to argue about it here, because I don't care to change your mind.

Glad to see that you carry for such a noble cause, as it's the reason I carry as well. Carry on and stay safe.

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It seems to me

that the employees are not acting very threatened by this whole event.

Unlike the patron who was completely submissive.

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Right now, this video is

at the top of the list on AJC.com.

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Target(s) - in PTC

For those that are always complaining about the police, watch this video again. These are the predators that will take over our community if we let them.

These guys know how to handle a weapon, you want to face them down with your concealed weapon, go right ahead. The only way to take these guys out in this situation is at the door coming in or going out. Coming in gets the lady killed at the door, so going out would have been the best place. Want to help the police? Then park yourself at the door and report what you see. If threaten, then use your best judgment.

PTC, Fayetteville, Tyrone where would you rather live? I say let's support our PTC police and stop complaining about them. In fact, let's give them more money to police.

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Target(s) - in PTC

The Police in PTC for the last few years are too busy wasting our tax dollars patrolling the cart path looking for carts with burnt out bulbs.....or setting up Fri and Sat night check point "sting" operations. Maybe they should spend less time bleeding the citizens of PTC for purposes of tax revenue and more time patrolling the north side of town at night.

........To serve and Protect, right?

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Chez - Fri & Sat Checks

Well Chez, that's what it is all about, I was stopped on Friday night coming back from dinner and my son was stopped going out to the store on Saturday.

So what? Showing force is another way to stop crime in our fair city. We should show that we aren't open for criminal business in PTC.

Now of course Chez, if you were drunk, or drinking, or didn't have your papers then I suppose you might object to this kind of thing. However, it is all part of the tapestry of crime prevention.

I say keep it up. To serve and protect, indeed.

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Observer - Fri & Sat Checks

Troll Post-->Well Chez, that's what it is all about, I was stopped on Friday night coming back from dinner and my son was stopped going out to the store on Saturday.

So what? Showing force is another way to stop crime in our fair city. We should show that we aren't open for criminal business in PTC.

Now of course Chez, if you were drunk, or drinking, or didn't have your papers then I suppose you might object to this kind of thing. However, it is all part of the tapestry of crime prevention.

I say keep it up. To serve and protect, indeed.

Reply-->OK, I have been stopped twice for Fri & Sat night checkpoints. First time on my way to work (yes, I was late for work) and second time on my way home from work. Reference "Showing Force" it doesn't seem to have made a difference given the recent event at Target (or the earlier smash and grab at the Apple Store).

Thanks for trying to imply I may have been drunk, drinking or no papers. As for papers and such I am born and raised American, grew up in a Police family and have personally been a Civil Servant for over thirty years (and still counting). Feel free to make further attempts to slander me. I have thick skin and it only serves to expose your ignorance.

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Is everyone on here....

.......retired civil service employees, military retirees, pilot retirees, or disabled?

I may be wasting my time.

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Round

You are. You don't support, believe in, nor lend credence to the Second Amendment. It's plain to me you have a disdain for people who choose to exercise their constitutional right to protect themselves. If you care to read the Bible, or will look it up for reference, here is a passage that might shed some light on the subject.

Luke 11:21

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Your Luke and my Matthew

Your Luke and my Matthew 12:29. (armed with facts AND barbs...)

The word "armed" 2000 years ago meant "braced" or some similar word.

I don't think gun powder had been invented as of yet, nor machinery to forge a gun! Can't speak of that which doesn't exist.

Satan was the one to fear then and you weren't to believe Satan! Arm yourself against confused and stupid talk! (Like Luke 11:21, if you don't know what it means!)

99% of any saying in either Bible translation (there are hundreds) and it is easy to find a contradicting saying about it.

Why? Cause they who wrote it didn't go to school and found it in jugs or on golden plates or on rectangular stones on the mountain---some were dropped and broken so they were ignored.

I'm afraid it is all about "faith" or simply the logic of a human and the mercy of the judge.

Next Sunday we will preach on avarice!

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The Hebrew AND Greek translations both refer to armed being "with means of defending oneself from onslaught or attack."

Does that clear it up for you?

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I have been and still am "clear."

Lasers that lock onto any human and automatically destroy them for any reason are obviously coming along.

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Defending one's life, liberty, and property with whatever means necessary has been around since the beginning of time. So has murder, malice, etc. My point is that you have every right to do so. I was using the Bible as a reference to back up what I believe.

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Roundy On Everyone

I am proud to say that I am none of the above! And, I am not Chris P. Bacon either! I think he is Gort!

Let's all thank editor Cal for this wonderful forum!

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Roundabout, it's been clear from the start.

You are certainly wasting your time.

Aren't we all?

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Checkpoints.....FAIL

PTC didn't do these before the new Chief took over because a lot of law enforcement will tell you that checkpoints do not work as well as regular, moving patrol cars in terms of crime prevention and apprehension. Plus, they are often seen as a nuisance to the very citizens LEO are trying to serve and protect.

I've always though roadblocks/checkpoints are a violation of the 4th Amendment, but the SC doesn't share that constitutional opinion :)

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Agreed
NUK_1 wrote:

I've always though roadblocks/checkpoints are a violation of the 4th Amendment, but the SC doesn't share that constitutional opinion :)

Correct on both points. I'm with you on this one NUK_1. What RAS or PC do they have in order to pull me over in a "mass" check of license, insurance, registration, etc. It is the law of the land, and I wll abide by it for now, until we can change it.

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I Agree With PTCO

that we need to create a police state in PTC and the rest of the USA--more power to the government! Cops with Uzis on every corner! Cameras everywhere! Big Brother is nice!

Go Braves!

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Police funding

"In fact, let's give them more money to police." Why? They will just ask for more. Not every problem especially in the government can be fixed by simply throwing money at it. We need to demand that they use what they have more effectively.

As it is I think they spend the majority of their resources chasing the easy money; traffic tickets during the day. Maybe instead of having an officer sitting at the end of Huddleston during rush hour every day trolling for stop sign tickets they could relocate that resource to evening patrols.

Before we give more money to the PD I would like to know how much of their existing resources are used on traffic during the day vs. mid to late evenings. While I do believe our city's aggressive traffic policy does deter some rift raft from even stepping foot in PTC I am concerned that it is being done during the wrong hours. As a result, we are running off a lot of good people.

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"As a result, we are running off a lot of good people."

And bad ones too, mostly bad ones.

The time to say we are not open for business for criminals, is now. We need to send a message that we won't let this type of crime happen in our city.

The best way to do this is to increase police visibility and if you don't pay for it now, you will pay for it later.

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PTCO: visibility?

If visibility is all we need to resolve crime entirely, might I suggest that a cop stand at all the entrances to PTC, one at 54/74 on a corner, and one at the entrances to each shopping area.

They could call for a car or motorcycle if they see anything.

They could have one of those roofed standing places and a stool.

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under the bus!

The state is a human institution, not a superhuman being. He who says state means coercion and compulsion. He who says: There should be a law concerning this matter, means: The armed men of the government should force people to do what they do not want to do, or not to do what they like. He who says: This law should be better enforced, means: the police should force people to obey this law. He who says: The state is God, deifies arms and prisons.

Omnipotent Government, P47

Welcome to Uziland!

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Hmmm robber in back = Ninja, Citizen Blogger

That's a positive ID! :)

Pretty alarming this happens at Kedron and is this brazen.

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That is why I changed my pic to Nathan Bedford Forrest! The Ninja ain't foolish!

Braves Win! Lowe Goes Deep for the first time ever, Chipper for the 450th!

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Not the first time for this Target

Close to the woods and the highway.

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I have held a GWL for nine

I have held a GWL for nine years now, since I was 21 and legally allowed to do so. I also belong to an organization, GeorgiaCarry, that fights for 2A rights for LAW ABIDING citizens. This scenario, and many others, are why I OPEN CARRY, not conceal unless I deem it necessary to do so.

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Open Carry

Only wannabe cowboys open carry.

Be smart and conceal it.

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Why?
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Only wannabe cowboys open carry.

Be smart and conceal it.

Why? I'm not a wannabe cowboy, nor are any of the LEOs, are they? It is perfectly legal to open carry in GA. It is my PREFERRED method to do so. If you like to conceal, then do so. I have no problem with either, but am more comfortable open carrying.

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Because you give up the only tactical advantage you have

These guys were committed the second they stepped into the store. If they see you with a gun, two things happen - 1) you are in a gunfight, and already on the defensive 2) you lose your weapon

The only thing open carry delivers is a show of force to KEEP things from happening - in this situation it was already happening. Concealment gives you options on when AND IF to act.

You can paint a target (no pun intended) on you - that's your choice. I'll choose not to be noticed.

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OC vs. CC

You guys need to educate yourselves on the OC vs. CC debate. There is ZERO evidence that says you give ANY tactical advantage if you OC. For that matter, I believe you GAIN an advantage in that you have less movements in order to draw your weapon.

As for the "painting a target on your back" statement: show me statistical, or anecdotal, evidence that says so. I can cite a recent, less than six months, old case in which robbers who targeted a Waffle House in Cobb Co. AVOIDED a particular location due to the high number of open carriers present when they did their casing.

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Perfectly well educated - and trained.

A WaffleHouse is not a Target. Completely different scenario, and demographic of people. There are a lot of "regulars" at Wafflehouse. There is a much more transient group of people bound to be in a target. Short of the employees open carrying - there is no way they would be able to consider that in their choice of target.

These guys blitzed the store, they had no idea who was inside at the time - nor did they care. If you had been in the front of the store when they came in - you had better hope you could recognize whats happening before they see you because they were already drawn and pointing at any person that was there.

There is only one additional movement in my draw stroke from conceal to open and if anything it adds under a quarter second to presentation. I know, I regularly train both. I'll take that over them not knowing if I'm an armed threat vs. an unarmed civilian every day of the week. Shooting isn't always the answer - whether I'm ready for it or not - it's a choice I'd rather make rather than be forced into. There's an excellent story I know of a gentleman that was concealed and jumped at an ATM, after they got the money, they forced him to drive him to his house. When they turned away and he had an advantage, he then chose to engage the criminals, and of course, won. Open Carry removes that option.

I'm a GeorgiaCarry member as well, and I respect the argument for OC, but in this situation, the better option was not to be OC'ing.

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Then we agree to disagree.

Then we agree to disagree. But I have had the experience of deterring crime before it happens, via open carrying.

On another note: we are having a meet-n-greet at Athena's in PTC this Tuesday at 1830. Please join us for good food, good folks, and of course, gun talk!

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Gladly agree.

I have no issue with your position - it's just not one I choose :)

I appreciate the invite - unfortunately Tuesday's are USPSA night at Autrey's and we start at 1900. Pass it around at your meet and greet, it's a great time. We start at 1900, but show up between 1800-1830 to get acquainted if you havn't done so already.

roundabout, please continue to show your ignorance. While I don't have disdain for your first amendment right to do so, please don't step on my second amendment right to protect myself as I see fit.

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Sounds like a good time! I will do so. Unfortunately, I won't be able to make those matches as I normally shoot pool in a league in Fayetteville on Tuesday night. However, I will make sure your invite is well received.

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Wouldn't want to be within a mile of that place and listen to that BS.

Isn't Athenas a music place?

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Glad to know you're a staunch defender of Second Amendment rights. And no, that would be ATINA's. Athena's is a Greek restaurant over by Wally World. The owner is very 2A friendly and quite hospitable to open carry, too.

P.S. Just OC'd at Target with no issues. Though there was something going on at a house that sits back a ways on pkwy north. About 15 cop cars and an ambulance as I was driving by.

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newlifer & Waffle House

You say Waffle House is not a target---well, not since they caught those two mopes in ALA who are also suspected of robbing multiple Waffle Houses in the Atl area. BTW, hometown: Ellenwood!

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Please notice the captial T

A Waffle House restaurant is not a Target shopping store... they most certainly were targets of crimes... please read the entire post next time.

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I'm with you on this one. My gun stays concealed until the last moment. But I'm curious about the lady at the door. Once the robbers were in the store and not paying attention to her why didn't she run for help?

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Good advice!

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This just absolutely stinks!

BadPTC! Evil Elvis! Major Mike! Git! All of my conceal to carry friends. We need you guys to just start going around to the local businesses around closing time and just doing some "shelf checks."Yes, I know no one was hurt, BUT. these thugs need a disincentive to make them think twice about putting guns in the faces of hard working people. So terrible that these folks had their lives threatened over peanuts. We've gotta turn this tide. More police cost money, but we'd better start spending it.... or at least sell a few dozen of the extra police vehicles and put a Segway patrol at the avenue and other shopping areas. This is a completely unacceptable trend. Any ideas???

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More police?

We don't need more police in PTC. We just need the ones we have to get off the cart paths looking for silly golf cart DUIs and on the roads where they are needed.

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kevink wrote:

BadPTC! Evil Elvis! Major Mike! Git! All of my conceal to carry friends. We need you guys to just start going around to the local businesses around closing time and just doing some "shelf checks."Yes, I know no one was hurt, BUT. these thugs need a disincentive to make them think twice about putting guns in the faces of hard working people. So terrible that these folks had their lives threatened over peanuts. We've gotta turn this tide. More police cost money, but we'd better start spending it.... or at least sell a few dozen of the extra police vehicles and put a Segway patrol at the avenue and other shopping areas. This is a completely unacceptable trend. Any ideas???

Yeah, I've got an idea. Why don't you go to Fayetteville and apply for a GWL? Then buy yourself a gun, become prepared to defend yourself and stop depending on others for your own safety.

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Lifefrom 65. It's Kevink. How do you know I don't Conceal?

Think about it. If you think I depend on others for protection, you obviously don't know me very well :-).

Life after 65 must be a bit foggy.

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Sorry Kevin...K

Typo.I am foggy but it sounds like you're asking people that carry to get out and do somrthing for you. If you carry, good for you.

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lifefrom65. typo is my middle name

I've moved from PTC and am only back sporadically, so I don't think I'll be of much help. But we have some proud CCers who could be te quite useful in the right circumstance.

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Clerks with guns...

Right, they are the brainest we have---let them carry, and get killed.

Are you saying that Targetr ought to have a Police Officer all day and night?

And all of the other stores, maybe?

Most of these guns are stolen or bought at gun shows.

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Really?
roundabout wrote:

Most of these guns are stolen or bought at gun shows.

Please cite your sources when making these claims, as they are completely baseless in regards to being bought at gun shows.

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They stole enough at Autry's to supply the locals for some time.

Even the Mayor of New York is suing Local gun stores and shows about supplying New York gun buyers!

I really do get fed up with these people who want to carry guns all of the time and have never been helpful to anyone at all.

They have also never shot anyone.

Sound like these false military heroes like the football player to me, whose buddies shot him for shooting at them.

And about a dozen Generals in the last ten years who didn't resign so as to be called heroes for doing nothing helpful.

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You're logic astounds me - and...

you clearly don't know the state of mind of most lawful carry folks. Like myself - most would rather NEVER shoot someone, but when it comes to someone threatening MY life or MY families life, confronted with the situation, I'd rather be prepared. Yes, there are those that talk "if I was there..." yada - but you are dead wrong that armed citizens have never been helpful to anyone - and there is plenty of stories and statistics to counter your statement.

And the Mayor of New York - his holiness - can sue whomever he wants. Gun stores must sell to state residents or transfer through the foreign state dealer with a FEDERAL firearms license. If they violate it - it's a federal offense... and as for gun shows - typical gun controller talking point.

And last I heard, most of the take from Autrey's was recovered - so - what was your point again???

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roundabout wrote:

They stole enough at Autry's to supply the locals for some time.

Even the Mayor of New York is suing Local gun stores and shows about supplying New York gun buyers!

I really do get fed up with these people who want to carry guns all of the time and have never been helpful to anyone at all.

They have also never shot anyone.

Sound like these false military heroes like the football player to me, whose buddies shot him for shooting at them.

And about a dozen Generals in the last ten years who didn't resign so as to be called heroes for doing nothing helpful.

I invite you to explore gunssavevelives.net It's dedicated to ordinary citizens using firearms in various scenarios, reported to local papers to defend themselves and others.

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A word of advice in regards to debating the Round one. Logic will get you no where. As a friend pointed out to me "You can't be logical with an illogical person".

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Thanks!

Noted. I honestly don't care whether your preferred method of carry is concealed or open, mine happens to be open, concealed when need be. One of the gun forums I belong to has people that do the same. Kinda embarrassed I didn't recognize it this time around...

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"Ghetto" isn't a location as much as an attitude.

Robbers do not necessarily have to be from the "ghetto". Who knows? These men could live in one of the big, nice subdivisions in Peachtree City. But the attitude of "I want that, let's steal it"-that is where the "ghetto" comes from and it is sad to see it appearing more and more often in Peachtree City.

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Wow

Seems the ghetto has moved from Fayetteville into PTC. So very sad for our community.

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RKS

If these are ghetto crimes, then we are the ghetto, it was here.

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Not excusing the robbery at all.

but I don't buy your definition.

Find the thugs, arrest them.