So now it’s radical to halt deficit spending?

This election period has been historic. The people learned the Transportation Invest Act (also called T-SPLOST ) was a perfect example of how much trouble the state legislature can create on issues they know very little about.

The T-SPLOST legislation not only created a horrible special interest plan, but it also penalized the voters for voting their conscience.

People trampled by legislation have no prospects of success other than distancing themselves from those creating the nefarious plans.

As our citizens continue to see that government is a force to be opposed, rather than a body providing for the common good, you can expect more grassroots movements to spring up from the fertile ground.

Organized party politics is proving to be a failure in our modern day. Only small pools of people in either party are willing to take a stand on principle.

How repulsing it was to watch as our Fayette Chairman Herb Frady lectured citizens, again, on the West Fayetteville Bypass project. Even worse, Chairman Frady still blames the road to nowhere on the citizens themselves for approving the referendum by a razor thin margin.

The citizen voters were never given a list of the projects when they voted. In 2004, Commissioner Frady announced that the East Fayetteville Bypass was the number one priority. The priorities were rearranged after the vote.

Seven newly elected officials in Fayette County have been elected largely on opposition to the West Fayetteville Bypass. The direction the citizens wanted was crystal clear, but the leadership refused to listen.

For those who decry the nastiness in politics, I recommend following the money. If there was no money to be made off of government decisions and contracts, there would be no malevolent behavior.

It was incredibly disturbing to watch the Atlanta Journal-Constitution not disclose their parent corporation s $250,000 donation to the pro-T-SPLOST PAC until a few of us protested.

Our metro Chambers of Commerce pushed agendas counter to the best interests of our citizens.

Tax Commissioner George Wingo, when endorsing his candidates in the countywide races, stated that the opposition was part of some radical sect of the TEA Party.

The humorous part was calling for an end to deficit spending, halting special interests projects like the West Fayetteville Bypass and actually bidding out county government contracts did, in fact, make us radicals in the current environment.

It would be naive to not think that the people who make money off of government will not go to great lengths and expense to have their people in power. But the paradox is most of the people who will claim to want a sound, honest government do very little to ensure one.

I watched as an incredibly small band of people worked to the point of exhaustion promoting candidates they researched and knew would serve the best interest of our county.

The volunteers were few, but people willing to donate financially to their campaigns were scarcer.

There is a burden that comes with comprehending how your government really works. The battles surrounding T-SPLOST and the West Fayetteville Bypass have proven the good, regardless of geography or political affiliation, must associate to overturn a more powerful wrong. Otherwise, we fall one by one.

Alexis de Tocqueville was right; we really do get the government we deserve.

For those who participated in the election, thank you. I wish David Barlow, Chuck Oddo and Randy Ognio the very best as the county moves forward.

Steve Brown

Fayette Commissioner, Post 4

CommissionerBrown@fayettecountyga.gov

Peachtree City, Ga.

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Mr. Sussberg, tonto, And Others-Some "Radical" Information

I received no less than 87 emails per day during the recent campaign for our commissioners. Most of the time, I received well over a hundred each day.

Trying to remember who said what has been extremely difficult. However, I did track down ONE of the sources pertaining to the terms "radical faction" and "sect."

Former Commission Candidate Susan Stopford, who was originally running against Lee Hearn and Randy Ognio, later sent out a letter promoting Lee Hearn and Sheila Huddleston.

In the first paragraph of Mrs. Stopford's letter she said, "...please just trust me as your 'insider' on this race that it is vital for our county, your tax dollars not increasing, our look and feel of our community, and securing competent, educated people representing us locally and regionally..."

Mrs. Stopford continues in the second paragraph of her letter with, "The other candidates represent a radical faction of the Tea Party. Tea Party-fine, this small sect-NOT."

The last sentence of the second paragraph says, "They will get their folks to the polls...so we need reasonable, intelligent people to combat that movement and cast smart ballots in return."

After that and during the campaign for the runoff, Commission Candidate Sheila Huddleston, Commissioner Lee Hearn, Tax Commissioner George Wingo, Brooks Mayor Dan Langford and others appeared together in an ad endorsing Hearn and Huddleston.

Mr. Wingo sent out email endorsements and wrote letters in support of Ms. Huddleston and Mr. Hearn. He appeared in newspaper ads supporting Ms. Huddleston and Mr. Hearn.

All during the campaign, the Fayette County Issues Tea Party was labeled as "a radical faction," "puppets of a kingpin," "a sect," and dishonest citizens.

One very dedicated Fayette County Issues Tea Party member, who couldn't take the labeling any longer, addressed a letter to Ms. Huddleston, Mrs. Stopford, and Mr. Wingo.

In part her letter said, "Mr. Wingo, we are not a 'radical faction." FCITP is very much like the many citizen groups who have sprung up in counties all over our nation as we have 'awakened' to the fact that good government starts at the local level. And, in order to have good government it is the civic duty of all citizens to h ave oversight. Here are a couple of our neighboring counties with oversight committees similar to what we have formed with the FCITP. NOT the radical faction...rather the 'new norm." Clayton County Oversight Committee and Tracking Henry County Politics."

She ended her letter by saying, "As is stated on the website: We are active citizens who routinely pursue our values through participation in our local government, and welcome like-minided citizens to join us in our purpose to promote local governments that : consistently practice the rule of law & ethical conduct; serve the electorate in an open, transparent manner; hold officials accountable; and are prudent with public resources."

Please visit the Fayette County Issues Tea Party website at: fayettecountyissuesteaparty.org/

Ginga Smithfield

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Jim

Please chill....its statements like this that give the Fayette Issues Tea Party a bad rap. If you want to attack, then take down your American Flag and Eagle logo unless you are speaking on behalf of the Fayette Tea Party.

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DITTO!

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Following are the highlights of Wingo's comments in his endorsement "letter to the editor" in the Citizen on 8/18/12:

"We are at a critical point in Fayette Count politics. We can choose to retain control of our board of commissioners by supporting and electing the best qualified candidates, or we can choose by default to give a local tea party faction, not affiliated with the national tea parties, majority control of our local governing body. We do not want or need individuals or kingpins behind the scenes controlling a majority of the Fayette County Board of Commissioners."

"Given the well documented source of their primary support, I do doubt their ability to serve and represent all of the citizens of Fayette County in a fair and impartial way."

The Fayette County FACTIONS voted as follows:
Oddo 69.15%, Ognio 71.55%, and Barlow 61.78 compared with Horgan 30.5%, Hearn 28.45%, and Huddleston 38.22%.

Based on the vote results, you would have to admit the "NON-FACTION" group did not fare too well.

Wingo didn't call us" radical" but he called us a "faction." And, you can argue all you want about semantics, but Wingo's clear intention was to label people supporting Ognio and Barlow as an undesirable group.

I believe it was Susan Stopford that used the label “radical” in an email she sent to soccer moms of PTC.

Jim Richter

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So Richter, you're

Confessing that you lied. Good, case closed.

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No you moron! I'm not confessing anything.

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Of course

you confessed to lying. Your reply to me was a feeble minded attempt to re-spin the original.

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I stand my by comment. You are a freaking moron!

Jim Richter

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Attn Richter and all bloggers

Here is the exact verbiage Richter used in an e mail on Aug 19, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Jim richterwrote:

"I haven't read any of Wingo's emails. I set a filter to send his emails to the trash.

Wingo received the votes of all but two of our group. For that, he dubbed as radicals.

Well, we will not forget if he runs again for office in the future!"

This is all about showing that the so called leader of the Peachtree City tea party is just not honest and in my opinion, not much of a leader.

Richter, post your address and I will mail you a copy of the e mail referenced above. But I won't be holding my breath.

Once in a law class on cross-examination, the professor talked about how to bring out the truth. He said that if you anger a witness, keep giving them rope, eventually they will hang themselves. Richter played it out perfectly.

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Tonto707-Tea Party?

If I read this correctly:

are you saying that this group or members of this group or in Mr. Richter's mind, that this group goes after people..?

He does state "we", is "we" the Tea Party?

The attacks we read on-line about Huddleston and Hearn, was that done on purpose and in an organized manner?

Are you saying that the Tea Party is pursing an agenda that borderlines vigilantism? trying to control the voters with mis-information/representation?

or is it 1 or 2 rogue people?

what about the threat....."we will not forget if he runs for election again"

and if this is true, what are the next targets FCBOE, Mr. Chance?

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I am not saying anything about 'this group or members of this group', those are his words, not mine. Perhaps you should just read what I said without trying to read anything into what I said. Too damn much of that going on with bloggers already.

I'd suggest you ask Richter how to understand his use of 'we', again, his words, not mine.

I am not saying that the Tea Party membership has any agenda other than to exercise their right to participate in the political process.

Trying to control the voters with mis-informantion/representation? Plenty of that going on all the time with every group involved in politics.

Is it one or two rogue people? I believe the majority of tea party members are decent, honest citizens who simply want the best government.

I doubt the threat 'we will not forget if he runs for election again' matters a lot to anyone.

The FCBOE seems to be settled so far as this election is concerned.

Going after Mr. Chance? My guess is Ronnie Chance has a pretty solid base that will have something to do with his elections.

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Thank you....

Not reading into your words, trying to understand Mr. Richter's comments and why he says "we".....

As posted earlier, "chill" because his statements can lead people to believe what I posted, right or wrong!

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tonto: You're confusing americanpatriots with Brown

It was Steve Brown who made the claim a few times that George Wingo said this and that about a "radical sect", not Richter. Brown, of course, lied as usual because that is all he's been doing for the past month on several occasions repeatedly, but don't blame Richter/amercianpatriots for what Steve Brown spews, even if they usually agree with each other.

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Deficit Spending & High Salaries for Commissioners

Mr.Brown

As part of balancing the budget, I request that the commissioners re-visit the annual salaries being paid.
Mr. Richter was kind enough to post the salaries which is approximately $32,000 for a commissioner and $39,000 for the chair.
When compared to PTC City Council and FCBOE those salaries are 3x to 5x higher than other elected positions in the county which might have contibuted to the same people wanting those poistions year after year.

Term limits and lower salaries should be considered heavily.

Thanks
Larry

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tonto707 - you have no idea what you are talking about

Giga & Steve Brown were referring to a comment made by one of the defeated commissioners at a meeting recently. The commissioner made a comment that was heard by several people when he spoke to John Munsford of the Citizen Newpaper.

Jim Richter

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The fact is Richter

tonto707 does know what he is talking about. You made the same allegation about Mr Wingo in an e mail to another candidate, I have seen that e mail and read it. You made the statement in the affirmative, and you, like Brown, are lying.

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PTC Observer - no dog in the fight

Evidently you misunderstood my comment.

I didn't say anything about Wingo. I said it was a comment made by a defeated commissioner - Wingo was not a defeated commissioner.

Anything you say to a reporter is on the record as a rule - especially when you make it before a large crowd.

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Yep, I sure did. I was referring to the Steve Brown comment in his letter stating:

"Tax Commissioner George Wingo, when endorsing his candidates in the countywide races, stated that the opposition was part of some radical sect of the TEA Party."

Did he say this, if so I voted for the wrong guy.

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Radical Sect comment

I saw an email blast where Susan Stopford made that statement. Don't know about Wingo. Wingo did endorse Stopford... not sure what they did, or did not discuss.

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Wrong, Dienhart

Mr. Wingo endorsed Lee Hearn, not Susan Stopford, who was in the same race as Hearn. You're trading in lies, hear-says and rumors, like so many bloggers are prone to do.

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Brown said Wingo made that comment

According to this article at least and anothr blog from Brown.

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No Dog

in this fight, but did he make a statement publicly or was this an off the cuff remark in a private conversation? It does make a difference doesn't it?

If Mr. Wingo made the comment to Mr. Munsford why wouldn't Mr. Munsford confirm this?

Just asking.....

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Steve, your

statement about Mr Wingo declaring 'the opposition was pat of some radical sect of the Tea Party' is simply not true. Jim Richter made the same claim, but no one has been able to produce the evidence to support the lie. Why don't you dig up the evidence and confront Mr Wingo, or just stop the lying.

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Why the tirade Commissioner Brown?

You won the election and now control the entire county agenda with your four sycophants. In a few short months you will rule the county; please terminate these tirades and focus upon your agenda. Lead for a change and give your electorate a break from your logomachy.

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It's SB's MO...simple as that...

Nothing more to see here.

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50, 60, and 70 Year Olds Form Radical Sect

Yep, we are a "radical sect." What else would you call a group of people who expose their commissioners for having approved a budget in 2010 that stated there would not be any employee pay raises due to the precarious state of the budget, and then six months later give county employees $500,000 without the item appearing on the Agenda?

That is what happened here in Fayette County. Former Commission Chairman Jack Smith, along with former Commissioners Eric Maxwell, current Commissioners Herb Frady, Robert Horgan, and Lee Hearn passed that little half million non-Agenda Item a few weeks just before Smith and Maxwell left office. That bunch couldn't or wouldn't repair collapsing roadways so that school buses and emergency vehicles could service the folks who lived on those roads, but they could give away a half million dollars to county employees without notification to the taxpayers who provided the half million.

Is it "radical" to expose the actions of public officials? It must be, that's what one of our "public officials" said.

I guess it is also "radical" for voters to expect that the people they put into office will uphold the laws of our county.

It is "radical" when voters hold elected officials accountable for saying one thing a doing the opposite. Our public officials voted in favor of Concept 3 which shows mass transit running all through Fayette County, but they told the voters they weren't in favor of mass transit in Fayette County.

The very few issues I've just mentioned form just one drop in my bucket. There are so many more that have been exposed.

The last time I looked, it is the American way to vote out officials who don't live up to what they say or promise. That is exactly what our little "radical sect" accomplished. We wrote letters to the editor and posted comments. We scoured Fayette County to find trustworthy, honest citizens who were courageous enough to stand up against the well established politicians. We provided the citizens with many opportunities to listen to debates and attend forums. We stood on street corners in the blistering sun, held campaign signs, and waved friendly greetings to motorists.

At certain points in American history our little band of discontents might have been labeled "patriots." However, if one happens to be among long standing politicians, or citizens who have grown apathetic we just might appear to be a "radical sect."

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Ginga, 'radical sect' ?

I refer you to my post, tonto707 above. The very least you bloggers should do is research and know what you are talking about.