Copeland fighting unsettled DUI charge

The Aug. 21 runoff election between attorney Ronnie Mabra and Fulton County school teacher T.J. Copeland will decide the winner of the new Dist. 63 seat in the state House. But surfacing just days before the election is the report of a 2010 incident in Atlanta that remains unsettled, one where Copeland was charged with a DUI and other misdemeanor offenses. For his part, Copeland said he is fighting the charges that are being transferred from Atlanta Municpal Court to Fulton County State Court.

Attorney Lamar Willis on Friday said Copeland decided to fight the case, a move that requires a greater length of time than would have been needed if he had decided to plea out on the offenses from late 2010.

Documents from Fulton County State Court Solicitor General Carmen D. Smith dated May 29 note that on Nov. 14, 2010 Copeland was charged with DUI alcohol less safe, driving the wrong way on a one-way street, driving with a suspended or revoked license and driving with a revoked, canceled or suspended registration.

The incident from which the charges arose occurred at 2:26 a.m. at the intersection of Piedmont Road and Lindbergh Drive in Atlanta, according to police reports. The incident did not involve an accident, reports said. All the charges are misdemeanors.

The Ga. Dept. of Public Safety incident report noted that Copeland was stopped after driving the wrong way on Lindbergh Drive. The officer asked Copeland how much he had to drink after smelling a strong odor of alcohol coming from the vehicle. Copeland told the officer he had consumed one frozen alcoholic beverage, reports said.

The officer performed a standard field sobriety evaluation and attempted to perform a preliminary breath test but Copeland refused, according to reports. The officer then placed Copeland under arrest for DUI, reports said.

Willis said the case was initially bound for Atlanta municipal court but was moved to Fulton County State Court after Copeland decided to fight the charges. That move, to date, resulted in his client still not being informed of a court date, Willis said.

“To fight a case you believe you’re not guilty of takes a long time. In Fulton County (State Court) it takes even longer,” Willis said. “If you refuse a breath test you’ll be arrested whether you’re intoxicated or not. We could have taken the pleas but we’re fighting this because we believe he will be exonerated.”

Willis said Copeland’s drivers license has been re-instated and that once that occurs charges are typically dismissed.

Copeland and Mabra were the two top vote getters in the July 31 primary election, with Mabra securing approximately 48 percent of the vote and Copeland coming in second in the three-person race with approximately 28 percent of the vote.

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Dm I do agree with your thoughts here...

...but how is constantly dredging up the past, creating imaginary slights and then just outright uhh.. exaggerating helping to turn the tide with our future generations?

Every time a Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, Jackson, Sharpton or Shabaz says things and does things that are outside the norm and all you hear are silence from the Black community it re-enforces two things.

1. That young black males DO have something to be angry about..

2. It re-enforces the stereotype that many whites believe in.

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Lindsey - another perspective

Do you really feel that the 'black' community is ignoring the racists online, the minister who wouldn't marry black members of his church in the church edifice, etc., etc., etc. - and then hear and 'see' members of the white community who support such actions in the same 'perception' as you see what you have mentioned? The 'black community' perceives a re-enforcement of the actions of the three young white men who were sentenced for the killing of the black man 'for fun' by running over him - when we see supportive statements on the 'white supremacists websites in support of this type of atrocity against another human being. When statements are made such as 'slavery is over'; you have your civil rights;, 'black's' are receiving preferential treatment - as if that is an excuse for the actions in 2012 of the 'white supremacists groups' - humans do have feelings of 'anger'. Lindsey, many blacks have stereotypes of 'whites' and are beginning to wonder 'where are the good 'whites' that we knew so well in the past? Is it possible that because of the lack of healing in American race-relations - there is fear/anger from both blacks and whites that is still festering? Is saying get over it - and denying that these feelings exist a way to heal what is obviously still in the hearts of some - a way to 'heal' a festering sore of racism? There are many here (in this discussion and in Fayetteville) who are good people and practice what is preached in demonstrating good human relations. When the 'white' community shuts up the racists in their community, maybe, just maybe the 'blacks' will feel responsible to shut up the racists in the 'black' community. THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE WHO HAVE POWER IN BOTH COMMUNITIES WHO CAN COME TOGETHER AND CELEBRATE THE PROGRESS THAT IS BEING MADE/HAS BEEN MADE IN RACE-RELATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES -but there is a real fear to be considered liberal in social ideology in this country today. It's interesting that a slight felt by a 'black' person is labeled 'slight', while a comment that makes a 'white' person feel uncomfortable is 'dredging up the past, etc., etc., etc. What is that all about? Lindsey, I believe that our enemies realize that we have not overcome our failure at respecting Americans for the content of their character rather than the color of their skin, and they're watching to see if we will ever be able to demonstrate to the rest of the world our success in inclusiveness since the '60's.

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Dm= Race pimp?

you really need to get out those yellow pages and look under P.

You have gone past being a nut case, your every waking moment is to get 'whitie'. Don't you understand that people have read your same old dribble for years and couldn't take anything you say as the truth?

Your relatives really need to take some sort of steps.

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Dm ok we will agree to disagree...

Maybe someday your Children's Children and mine can actually work together instead of having to worry about "Code Words".. and race pimps working just as hard to break up any harmony.

Maybe they will be able to speak out against wrongs and have disagreements without being called racist.

Maybe that word "Racist" will cease to exist..but somehow I doubt it. It's been used as a weapon far too long to just die.

btw-Those 3 "White" Boys are in jail are they not? Were they not convicted, sentenced and are even now residing in jail? So was justice done.. or did they get off on a technicality?

Just wondering because we both can find EXAMPLES of racially motivated behavior DM the difference is I don't let it guide me and my views.

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Lindsey

We're not talking about the past here! You cannot bring yourself to acknowledge that progress has been made in race-relations in our country. You still speak as an insecure male representing the white community, which makes it necessary , IMO, to represent a different perspective. Lindsey, my children and their friends are already working cooperatively with Americans of different hues and ideologies. Aren't yours? My children are just as concerned as I am about the growth of 'hate' groups in this country. They do not want to see a return of the ignorant times of the '50's and '60's. (Especially since today the criminals of all hues are armed with military style weapons. You don't hear these types talking about non-violence today)You just don't get it! You honestly feel that because the criminals who killed a man because he was black were caught, I should be OK because justice was done? Lindsey - I and most Americans are outraged at the act!! IMO, the only area where we agree is that we both have a racial perspective. I feel you are the one who needs to move on and celebrate the progress that Americans have made in race-relations in the past 40 years and encourage our children to study history and learn about failures and successes. This information should help in implementing plans for a stronger America.

Today we celebrate another first! Two women have been accepted in The Augusta National Golf Club! Condeleeza Rice and Darla Moore! A celebration for progress in both race and gender relations!

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danged dups...

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Mabra

He'll make a great representative for the 63rd District. Lots of Americans worked diligently for his success. An outstanding product of Fayette County!

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Oh boy Copeland is gone!

How do you have an unsettled DUI since 2010 in the first place?

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Don't have a dog in this fight but...

I thought Ron Mabra lost the residency complaint and was to be taken off the ballot!

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Mabra appealed and won

on his residency issue and then became the top vote-getter in the primary.

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MABRA

A true product of Fayette County and Fayetteville! Fayetteville and Fayette County should be proud.

Ronnie Mabra was born and raised in Georgia. Ronnie Mabra is a proud native of Fayetteville where he was a standout varsity athlete for the Fayette County High School Tigers. Despite several out-of-state opportunities Ronnie was committed to staying in Georgia and attended the Georgia Institute of Technology (Georgia Tech).
Today, Ronnie Mabra is a dedicated trial lawyer and founder of the Mabra Firm, LLC., a personal injury firm in Midtown Atlanta, which is committed to serving injured Georgians. Ronnie is an active member of the legal community. He is a member of the Georgia Trial Lawyers Association and the Fayette County Bar Association. In 2011 Ronnie Mabra was selected by Georgia Super Lawyers magazine to appear on its Rising Stars list, which features outstanding young lawyers throughout the state. Ronnie Mabra and his team dedicate considerable time and resources each year to pro bono work in order to help indigent Georgians with their legal needs.

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Mabra & Mabra Firm, LLC.

He didn't build that!!

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AHG

Sununu, Arizona Sheriff, etc., etc., etc. Come on AHG - don't join the line of 'angry white men'. This young man has worked hard, made good decisions, etc., etc., etc. - and still you're going to attack him? That is what causes so much distrust. Even if a young person does the right thing, there are some (not necessarily you) who judge by skin color only. Cute retort. . . .but it puts you in a category that I don't think you deserve IMO.

The president's comment (which I think you are referring to) means to most of us that 'no man is an island' - and we all have someone to thank for the support we received in achieving our goals.

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Hey, DM, lighten up some! Not everything is an attack.

You know, you seem to be a very nice, intelligent person but sometimes I think it must be hard to be you. It appears that you are ever vigilant for what you could consider a slight--usually racial--but you know it makes it difficult to have a conversation with you. Every sentence does not have to be dissected for a veiled intent. I almost said that it appeared you were always seeing boogie men where there are none--and then I realized you would probaby take it the wrong way. Why would you even consider putting AHG in the category of what you call "angry white men"? Judging from other things AHG has posted, I would venture to say that he would have made the joke even if it had been a Repub who had made the original statement. I have probably left myself open to your telling me how this feeling is a carry-over from what your family has had to endure in the past--but you know unless we all move on from what has happened in the past (not forget it but move on) we will never get to that place that you always say you want us to reach.

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Mytimite

I'm sure we could have a conversation on many topics - which would not take a 'racial' tone. See my response to moc. As for AHG, we have a history when he considered my information regarding DEFCON incorrect. (DEFCON - an alert procedure [military].) My living here in Fayetteville, GA in 2012 is a testimony to my moving on. Believe me - I do not feel it necessary to have this conversation in my everyday life with my friends and neighbors. I learned today that there are some who are very comfortable with their perspective of Americanism - and that's a good thing. To ignore or not understand the perspective of those of different gender, race, religion, etc., etc., in America can be stifling. The United States is truly a multicultural country - with different regional cultures, many different religions, different 'home' languages, etc. Americans are not all the same - but all Americans are proud to be Americans. The rest of the world wonders at this problem we have at home with 'race' - when at an event like the Olympics, we seem to get along just fine. The 'black diaspora' is evident throughout the world - and many countries have 'black' athletes. At the Olympics, they are identified by their nationality - not their 'race'. It's still A LITTLE DIFFERENT HERE in the states.. .but we're moving on.

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MYTMITE - Bogeyman

I have always heard that this term originated based on pirates in SE Asia.

Here's what wiki says -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

Pretty interesting if you don't want a "scholarly" interpretation.

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ptco, I have known many people of different backgrounds and they

all seem to have their own version of the boogie, boogy, boogey--man. I grew up hearing about the boogie man as a child. We all thought that if you went by the 'graveyard' at night that the boogie man would get you. Needless to say we always made a concerted effort to not be anywhere around there after dark. We even avoided going there in the day if possible. It seems to have come to mean anything that someone can be afraid of--not necessarily a human, or ghost or any such but an idea or ideal. I think our latest boogie man may have been T-SPLOST. LOL

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Good Point MTM

You're right about the TSPLOST bogeyman. Look back at the link provided by PTCO, substitute demagogue for parent and uninformed voter for children and you have the perfect scenario of the transportation referendum.

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Mr. Drake

Still haven't gotten over the vote?

If us "children" had just been more "informed" then we would have swallowed your argument to give up our money?

We would have overlooked the fact that government does just about nothing well, wastes our money, solves few problems and is corrupted beyond all recognition?

That's a big stretch pal coming from the likes of you.

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Over the Vote?

I'm still a little bitter but I'm getting better.

I guess I could have used skeptical or distrustful instead of uninformed (although I do recall debating someone on this blog who insisted that they were going to widen GA54 from 2 lanes to 4 lanes by adding 1 foot) and the scenario would have still played out with a loss.

Believe it or not, I share quite a bit of your antipathy for government, I just haven't figured out how transportation infrastructure is built without their involvement. Already, roads and bridges are built by private companies but the government still has to pick the projects and administer the funds. Even with P3 projects where private enterprise raises the capital, you still have to have government involved in project selection and contract administration. I would love to know how you propose to get government completely out of the process.

As for "the likes of me", you don't know me but I'd be happy to buy you a cup of coffee and sit down and share our thoughts and perspectives.

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Why Mr. Drake!

Are you extending the hand of reconciliation?

As a matter of fact I do know you, through your posts on this blog, you have revealed your character.

You see Mr. Drake, you are thinking backward, or more precisely you are thinking like someone entrenched in the political system. You can't imagine road building without government involvement. You can't "manage" the market Mr. Drake, the government can't manage the market, only the free exchange between individuals can manage the market. That's because that is what markets are, freedom to chose. To the extent that government is involved in the exchange between individuals it introduces corruption, inefficiency and waste. Something that we are all familiar with as we observe our government at work. Unfortunately, it is also something that we seem to expect and accept.

Now here is a little secret for you to sell more concrete, let people decide where they want roads, let them band to together financially to buy land, plan road construction, execute contracts and charge for the use of these roads.

Or alternatively, (with distaste) if people are stuck in traffic and want to get out of this misery, then let them pay for the roads they use. Stop trying to force everyone to pay for their roads. Why yes, it's the concept publicly financed toll roads! At least this way the corruption costs will be limited to those that pay for it. GA400 seemed to work out pretty well, except for the broken promises by politicians. BTW, I think the toll on 400 should continue and actually be adjusted upward and downward like the HOV lanes coming down I85 based on traffic levels.

As for coffee, let's wait until I retire, I'll have more time to unscrew your ideas. ;-)

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PTC-O & Retirement

So whats it look like--next year? As I enter my 12th yr of retirement, I encourage all who can see their way clear to do it---you won't be sorry!

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AHG - Well

Well it's looking better and better, it's getting harder to get my walker into the car. If I don't kill myself coming home from work by falling asleep at the wheel this year, I should make it to retirement next year!

Then I can stay on these pages continually to irritate the likes of Mr. Drake, Gort and DM all the time. Unfortunately, Mr. Brown and Mr. Haddix are beyond being irritated, their ego won't let them. However, there's always the next election!

Heck, I might even find some time to meet for coffee, who knows?

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AHG: Retirement

When I see retirees like CourthouseRules/Bonkers/NumerousAliases and americanpatriots getting obsessed with The Citizen blogs, I think about NOT retiring EVER!

"Would you like a buggy? Oh yes, yes you do. Take it! Take it nice!" That's me at Wal-Mart before becoming the next Bonkers :)

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AHG & NUK_1 - Retirement

I see in these two posts my dilemma, on the one hand all my friends and most old associates retired long ago and on the other becoming old an nonsensical.

Perhaps if I would just come to grips with the fact that I am already old and nonsensical my decision would be easier. 8-)

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PTC-O & Retirement

Your confession in para 2 crosses the first bridge and opens the door to retirement at thearliest point! You'll be surprised how easy it is to work out any small issues like this forum. There are sufficient keys on the keyboard to make whatever happen you decide. And you and only you, control the ctrl,alt,delete keys!

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NUK,AHG,PTC-O Retirement

You could always start slowly....work part time. Cut back to 50% and the fill the open days with hobbies or a new easier career. Charity work can be rewarding or some form of consulting/mentoring.

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Larry - But

I do all those things now, I get up at 4:30am and run, work, volunteer, and have a couple of hobbies. I am at my desk, airplane, etc. by 7:30 to 8 am. So, if I retire, I guess I could fill in my extra time doing some more of those things. I can tell you I won't travel much when I retire. ;-)

Anyway, thanks for the suggestions and positive support Larry. Oh, welcome back.

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PTC-O

I totally understand,
I retired 7 years ago then started a business...now I am working on retiring again, and sure enough, the minute I said it, I started working on yet another business. In another state no less.
Guess that's my hobby.

thanks for the welcome back

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Nuk & retirement

Well Ispend considerable time here too but it's all about how serious one takes all this stuff. I've been to too many places, seen too many things and had to deal with every type of person there is and have a pretty good idea about what's really important and what isn't. And I'm comfortable with my decisions about all that.

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PTCO

Let me know when you are available. The hand of reconciliation is extended.

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Drake & takeover

Damn Gene,I go out to the Amphitheater for a couple hrs to listen to some music and you've commandered the comment page! All in good fun--music good and only about 3 minutes of sprinkle! Season now finished--will have to look elsewhere for entertainment--or at least to subsidize what this site provides!

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Ah, Efie, I think this is one time that the boogie man

(T-SPLOST)was very real and would have come back to bite us all in the nether region. Of course that would not be your take on it but then I am not in your shoes. See where you made nice at the coffee---are you being a good guy or are you just trying to butter us up for the next foray in this ongoing battle for T-SPLOST, which I am sure will be rearing it's hydra head before too long? Bet you didn't buy did ya? Saving those big bucks for when I can make it--we'll have to go to the Mexican restaurant (not being politically incorrect-just can't remember it's name) where we went several meetings ago. They have some big, ice cold maragritas--and you will be buying, right???? I seldom drink but if you are buying, I think I can manage at least two.

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One day, and I hope that day

One day, and I hope that day never comes, (as we’re driving to the gym so we can ride a stationary bicycle,) we’ll be sitting in our cars, delayed by gridlocked traffic, and moving only a few feet at a time.

As the anger builds inside us, suddenly, we realize our folly of voting down the TSPLOST.

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Ah, Gort, better that than one day to be driving down the road

filled with anger as you sit in gridlocked traffic, moving only a few feet at a time, and curse the fact that we were stupid enough to vote in a T-SPLOST that squandered our hard earned tax dollars. Especially after reading that morning in the AJC that our fellow blogger Elfie has just built another mansion and bought another fleet of luxury cars with his share of the booty. Perhaps your solution to that problem would be to buy a stationary bike (cheaper than membership to a gym) and ride it at home as you count all those pennies you saved and realize that you can get two McMuffins with your morning coffee--if only you had the nerve to fight all that traffic.

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Mytmite, I voted against the

Mytmite, I voted against the TSPLOST, I was just wondering if some day we would regret it. If professional politicians can’t propagandize us into voting for boondoggles, they will just go back to “pork barrel spending” to deliver the money to the special interest.

I don’t follow ‘Elfie’ in the funny papers so I don’t know exactly what you’re talking about but be careful, your wealth envy is showing! 8 - )

Never liked the McMuffin, used to like the Chick-Fil-A chicken biscuit but not any more.

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There's not going to be any traffic gridlock.

In fact it will get better. Real unemployment (which counts all the unemployed without playing numbers games) is approaching 20%. If Obama gets elected - 30% is possible. Everybody with a job can work flextime, telecommute, take MARTA or just buy a cheap foreclosure near work - like Mr. Mabra did. Of course most of the jobs will be in Washington. The rest of us have excellent access to traffic data and we will plan our discretionary trips accordingly, at least as long as we can afford gas. After the price tops $5 because we refuse to use our own domestic energy resources, even the discretionary trips will be cut in half.

You don't need a sales tax to do all this. You just need someone who plans ahead. Plans to fail. Barack Obama, Traffic Engineer.

Problem solved.

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Why you taking shots at Ron Mabra, you racist cat?

Dude is cool. He lives in the hood he reps sometimes and then he lives in his crib downtown. Doncha know a hustler got to be flexible? Don't be takin' shots at my bro, he cool. He's slick. I want him to rep/rap me in North Fayette County. The DUI for Copeland? No biggie. Let's compare Maybo. Hey can we include his Wife? How about Momma? Add up the DUI's and let's roll. You one biased pussy cat.

Isn't it great that we have so many classy people running for public office?

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Missed My Chance, MTM

I missed a golden opportunity to be magnanimous and pay since there were only four of us. I could've gotten off easy!! Unfortunately, I didn't know who anyone was this first time until after I had bought my coffee. I'll be happy to buy your margaritas if the next gathering is for Mexican.

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efdrakejr - Missed My Chance

What makes you think that you've gotten off at all? At least two of us were simply waiting for the hard liquor (I prefer single malt scotch). In re to MTM, you are still on the hook for a steak lunch due to all the abuse you dished out.

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MajorMike

Well, I like a single malt scotch as much as the next guy so I look forward to the next gathering. As for MTM, I can't imagine I gave her half the grief she gave me but I'm really looking forward to meeting her. I'm not commiting to picking up anyone's tab but I will get hers.

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Okay guys, you read it here. Mark this day in red on your

calendar. Even though he says he's not committing to picking up anyone's tab but he will get mine. Sounds like usual political double talk but I do think there are enough witnesses so he can't back out. Won't even hold him to a steak because I know how his wallet must be hurting with no T-SPLOST, but hey, Elfie if you have some left over cement(or concrete, or whatever) this poor lil old widder lady could sure use a new driveway.

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MyTMite & Mexican

I do believe you speak of "El Ranchero"!

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No, the one I am referring to is almost at the back end of shop-

ping center with IHOP, Longhorn's etc. Is it Taco Max or Taco Mac or something like that. We met there when Kevin came with his two sons. Sorry, having one of those senior moments that seems to be lasting for much longer than a moment-----by the way has anyone talked to Kevin lately? I will have to give him a call and see how things are going with him. Bet he hates he is missing all this mess on this site. LOL

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MTMITE & Taco Mac

There you are--got it nailed now! FYI< Kevin also brought his two sons to El Ranchero! Those guys can put away some groceries! On second thought, believe only one son came to El Ranchero.

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Yes, those boys can eat but so can their dad! Miss Kevin and

his blogs. Liked the area must better when I knew he was around. All of you coffe klatch guys are great. Sorry had to miss last one especially since a 'reformed' Elfie was in attendance. Maybe the next one.

Maybe DM can make the next one. I keep feeling that at some point we will learn that DM is a twenty-two years old white male college student from Mississippi who has been pulling our collective leg all along.

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MYTMITE, DM, & Coffee

NO, the surprise will be when she is escorted in by Steve Lindsey!

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Escorted in by SL

Now that would be something!!! LOL! What I'm afraid of is that we have already met!!

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I would be honored to escort you in DM

and who knows we might even have a great time...

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Or better yet, we will find that she is really SouthernBelle who

has not been heard from in a long time. Or maybe she is Lindsey----

Used to wonder about the old coot who got booted from here. Wonder if he is blogging under another name. If he is he certainly has changed his style.

Speaking of people booted off--surprised to see Larry Sussburg or whatever back here--he used someone else's name to spew venom--surprised Cal has not banned him permanently. He is right back where he left off.

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Who is Southernbelle?

Anyone have any of their posts available? Just curious.

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Southernbelle is just someone who used to post here and on the

AJC blog and then disappeared. She had disappeared once before and resurfaced.

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PTCO - LOL

I don't think the 'bogeyman' ever had a 'race' when I was growing up. Thanks for the interesting information.

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dm, I didn't either (know or think the boogie man had a race).

But you see, that seems to be the problem. We never seem to know just what you may take umbrage at in a conversation. Just did not want to step on your toes, so to speak.

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When I 'step on your toes' (figuratively speaking) you and others have had no problem letting me know that your toe hurts. Should I hold back my perception of your idea so as not to hurt feelings? Some here seem that is not necessary to do for me - and I hope you don't either. Can't learn anything by being 'politically correct' all the time. You and others have learned to be honest without being disrespectful or nasty in the past. I hope you continue. I've been an American, a woman, and black for a long time now. I think I've been through the worst of all times - and I'm really enjoying the 'best' of all times here in Fayetteville.

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DMom, this is my favorite

DMom, this is my favorite boogie man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlrKxDGrEMs&feature=related

Snappy tune, eh? I bet Mitt Romney’s ballet horse could dance to it.

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GORT!!

I'm still dancing!! KC and the Sunshine Band - Americans at their best!! What a way to start the day!! Thanks!!

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DMom, this is my favorite

DMom, this is my favorite boogie man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlrKxDGrEMs&feature=related

Snappy tune, eh? I bet Mitt Romney’s ballet horse could dance to it.

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Gym's comment was an attack?

Maybe to you DM, as a charter member of the "angry black women" group. I thought it was nothing more than a timely political joke. Someone who sees every comment made on a black president or any black candidate as an attack puts them in a category that I happen to think you do deserve to be in. A person who judges everything by race.....

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And I congratulate you for judging from your perspective, which I assume is not a black female over 70 years old. I make no excuses for my perspective, and I'm very grateful for my longevity and ability to live in a small Georgia town with neighbors of all colors and religions in peace and with respect. I do find it interesting when my friends who were brought up in the south are validated when they say that I have blinders on when I read some of the 'trash' here on the Citizen blog. I was warned about the 'code' words that the die-hards would use in trying to hide their feelings about 'blacks' who achieve. There are many contributors here who have valid issues for not agreeing with the policies of this administration - and I respect their views. There are others who have done nothing but share talking points and hate from 'white supremacy' websites. The interesting thing about the internet - is that websites are available to all. I also know that all conservatives in Georgia are not 'racists' - but those who use the code words are IMO.

AHG'S COMMENT: This is almost verbatim on at least two hate group website - as well as the GOP response to POTUS comment (taken out of context).

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-I make it a slap-in-the-face to individual accomplishment and a reminder that you must feel indebted to the Govt--no thanks.

Really a stretch.

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Color, unfortunately, DM...

...will ALWAYS be used by those in our vast governmental system, especially at the Federal level, as a tool or instrument, to achieve political gain or favor. In a melting pot nation such as ours, with it's diverse and truly unique history, 'color' (nationality, religion, race, et al) have, and are, chips for political gamesmanship. Only making oneself aware of this and applying it to the aims of EACH pol & party can we vote with good conscience what is the best for OUR city, county, state, and nation. Rich or poor, white or 'other', Dem or GOP, we MUST be vigilant and as aware as possible that we are ALL being used & pushed to believe one thing or another.

In our workaday lives, most of us have precious little time to focus deeply on most big issues and are led by big headlines & posturings by the news outlets & such. I doubt most on this site - as they bicker on how this or that tax system/approach - have any real, specific idea of how this-or-that plan or tax will truly effect you or me, other than parroting those whose job it is to come up with the numbers, and then how they twist them to bias their statements/beliefs to support one view or another.

Anyway, here's to advancing, achieving, and propelling our nation to maintain and improve upon the high ideals our founders outlined for us; just be aware of what angle our reps are taking.

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Agreed. :-)

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The stretch is the "Code Words" DM.

Now no matter what anyone says if you disagree you get to call us racist because we used "Code Words".. I guess I didn't get my super secret tightey whitey decoder ring.

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Lately, you have been 'politically correct'. (HA(!) Earlier - you didn't bother with code words. Your stand on minorities was very transparent.

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My stand may have been transparent to you

since you see everything through a veil of Racism. To the rest not so much..

DM I have come to truly enjoy your...uhh....views. It is an insight into the problems we face.

Hopefully my Children's children can live in a World where, while everyone will not ever be equal, they can live with the Black Community without having the chains of the past shoved in their face constantly. Then and only then can the community come together as a whole for the benefit of society. Now not so much....

You see much like Muslims who remained silent after 9/11 the black community has remained silent over people like Reverend Wright, Louis Farrakhan the the New Black Panther Party. Each have either called for "revolution" note the little "R" or outright violence.

Recently the NBP has called for bombing Nurseries to kill white babies...

Now you may say that's just enthusiastic musings of a 1960's social club that has forgotten that it's 2012 like Business Insider said but what if the leaders of Storm Front were making the same terrorist like statements about black babies? Would the black community be upset? Would there be arrest? So why the silence..you don't even have the excuse of death like the Muslim's do so....

So does the Black Community support these groups? I don't know the crickets are louder then they are.

Racism and bigotry is not owned just by us DM. It's alive and well right where you live.

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Hopefully my Children's children can live in a World where, while everyone will not ever be equal, they can live with the Black Community without having the chains of the past shoved in their face constantly. Then and only then can the community come together as a whole for the benefit of society. Now not so much....

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The future, our children, will not have to be reminded of history or false inequalities and be open to make the same relationship mistakes of the past based on one race being superior to another in the United States. Us =. White and I guess where I live = Black.

To continue to compare the radicals in our country and ignore the thousands of citizens right here in Fayetteville who are living together in peace and harmony is ignorance. Thank you always for your honest, heart felt responses.

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DM there is a big difference in reliving the past

and living in the past.

Too many still want to live in the past instead of moving on. It's used as a crutch to excuse everything from poor grades, bad behavior to outright crime.

The excuses must end DM.

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SL - History or Eternal now?

History is the past - and those who refuse to learn the lessons from history will continue to fail by making the same mistakes which caused past failures. Most of the 'black's' that you come in contact with as neighbors in Fayetteville have achieved at one level or another - as most of the citizens, regardless of color. If any of these people were 'living in the past' - Fayetteville, Georgia would not be the Fayetteville of today. We are in the present - the eternal NOW. I have studied history from many different perspectives - and will not allow my grandchildren or my great-grandchildren to suffer by allowing the failure of past relations in the United States to resurface.
When one hears of and reads about the resurgence of the KKK and the growing of 'white supremacist' groups in Georgia - or the resurgence of a violent Black Panther group, it is time for ALL AMERICANS to be ever vigilant to see that this sickness does not permeate our society again. Don't you agree? The history of 'gangs' in the United States started way before 'race' gangs. We can learn from history how to prevent criminals from taking over our cities, our law enforcement, etc., etc., etc. Don't you agree? My family has had tremendous support from successful Americans of all colors. We do not need crutches. We have benefitted from a superior American education; superior opportunities; etc., for generations in these United States. People from all over the world marvel at what the 'average' person can achieve in the United States without a 'title' , or inherited riches. There is more than 'one race' in this country that is considered poor and uneducated. I cringed when I read that 67% of Georgians do not graduate from high school! This is unacceptable in the United States IMO. I may have made the mistake of assuming that you implied that I was living in the past. Or maybe you meant that blacks were living in the past and using discrimination as an excuse / crutch for poor grades, bad behavior, and outright crime. What is the 'white' childs excuse for poor grades, bad behavior and outright crime? What is the 'excuse' for 67% of high school students in Georgia or any other state for not graduating? Again, I certainly acknowledge that the percentage of black males/females who are not graduating from high school and not succeeding in today's society is too high - but it is a percentage of a minority!! We must take the blinders off and see what is happening to AMERICAN CHILDREN who do not have the advantage of living in a city like Fayetteville. {Just sharing my perspective]

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DM - Facts

Read them and weep, from the Morehouse Initiative

http://morehousemaleinitiative.com/?page_id=178

No excuses......for those that want to excel in this country.

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PTCO - thanks for sharing

. . and Morehouse graduates between 500-600 black males a year. Of these males, many go on to Ivy League grad schools - as did Martin Luther King. This initiative is sent to almost every black educator in the US - to remind us that in spite of our success stories - THERE IS SO MUCH MORE TO DO. As I stated - the percentage of the failure of our black youth is too high. But what is the excuse for the failure to too many 'white' youth? Just because the percentage is not as high - we should not be satisfied with any failure - because there is no excuse!! But children need a support system in order to succeed. In order for America to remain strong, we must continue to support a meaningful educational system which is available to all; (oh I've said this all before - and if some feel comfortable as seeing this as only a minority problem in the US - that will be a failure of judgement for the next generation to overcome)

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DMom & My comment

My comment is that exactly--all my own words, no help from a person or Govt entity! I know nothing about so-called "hate group websites"---unless it's one run by the DNC!!

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DM

And I congratulate you for admitting you are a member of the "angry black women" group.

My perspective is white and several years away from 70 years old. I don't have a clue what these "code" words you reference are, so I might use one unintentionally sometime. I've also never bothered to even attempt to locate a "white supremacy" website on the Internet. I must admit I stick to mainstream news sources, local news, and sports websites. Guess I need to broaden my horizons.....

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Judging another with little or no knowledge of their history or experience is not a quality of an informed American.
I respect your honesty. I will remember your lack of knowledge in reading your contributions from now on. I have found it enlightening to read many websites and their perspectives on current events in our country and the world.
I have found that in most discussion of issues - Americans have more in common in their quest for solutions to our problems then the media report of our opinions based on demographics would indicate. Have a nice day.

By the way - do you really not understand why I celebrate the race relations in Fayette County in 2012 as compared to the situation which existed in the '50's and '60's? Interesting. Only my religion and knowing that God is Love has released me from much of my anger. I'm human - and I have not forgotten.

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DM, the informed American....

See your original comment to AHG. Judging is what you do here on a daily basis and you don't know any of our history or experience either.

Again you show your judging when you cast me as having a lack of knowledge because of the Internet usage I described. Knowledge comes from a lot of sources besides the Internet, try a book sometime. Besides, Al Gore didn't even invent the Internet that many years ago, so I had to fend for myself before that.

We're all human. None of us have forgotten. Most of us have just moved on, without you.

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We're all human. None of us have forgotten. Most of us have just moved on, without you.

Thank you moc, that's mighty 'white' of you. I have learned that many people here are understandably fearful of 'black' young men and have no hesitation expressing this fear because of criminal activities involving these persons. (even though statistics state that the majority of the victims of these individuals are 'black's) However, I am considered an angry racist when I express fear of 'whites' who have driven over and killed blacks, 'whites' who have killed numerous Americans within the last 10 years here in the United States; 'whites' who have molested young girls via the internet; whites who drive through black neighborhoods shooting for fun; etc.; I'm sorry - but this fear is not tied to slavery or Jim Crow - but the activities within the last 30 years here in the United States by 'whites'. When a black criminal is identified - some equate his/her actions with the entire 'black' race (yes often on this board) - however when a 'white' commits a criminal act - that white is seen as an individual and the entire 'white' race is not held accountable for his/her actions. Fortunately, I have had the personal experience of meeting 'whites' as neighbors, church members, business associates, etc., and I KNOW that race relations has moved on. I celebrate that. However, unless I see 'race relations' through a white persons eyes, based on a white persons experience - according to some, my perspective is the only one that is racist. Interesting. I have gained an understanding of your perspective - which is based on your shared experience. Most people who post here appear to only want to see life through their eyes - and don't want this view disturbed with another perspective which is foreign to theirs. Everyone must understand and adjust to your view? That is not the road to understanding. Why do minorities have to be more understanding, more tolerant, more loving than some 'white' people? If I 'moved on' - I wouldn't thoroughly enjoy the 'entitlements' that I enjoy today in Georgia - like voting; eating in restaurants with 'white' people; staying on the sidewalk when a white person passes; expecting fair justice from law enforcement,; drinking from the same drinking fountain as 'white' people; using the same restroom as 'white' people.etc., etc., etc. The vigilance is necessary when we read, hear, basically good Americans talk about 'going back to the good old days; when we see an article in the newspaper making sure that the 'race' of the student body is advertised - in a county where schools represent neighborhoods and are not STILL separated by 'race'.

The history of Fayetteville is filled with accounts of good people who assisted 'black' people well before and after the Civil War. The recent history of Fayetteville also has accounts of KKK activities. (Recent=the last 50 years) I feel the majority of the contributors here are well educated, informed and very comfortable with the life that they and their forefathers have provided. I have learned a great deal here - but I will not apologize for making some uncomfortable or for expressing my perspective of LIFE IN AMERICA. My perspective isn't wrong and yours isn't right - just different.

How did I miss this!

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Again you show your judging when you cast me as having a lack of knowledge because of the Internet usage

Sorry - Lack of knowledge due to your lack of understanding or exposure to American history. With the use of the internet today - everyone should be better informed.

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DM, still and ....ALWAYS... the racial nut case

You never change do you? Always spewing hate and "please pity me".

I have ignored most of your post lately but decided to read your last. Frankly, it is too disgusting to finish.

Whites are out there murdering abd molesting blacks and you know it, you are always looking for the boogey man. Then you get on here and whine.

Anyone that doesn't pity you has a lack of American history, Well honey, I know a lot of American history and it don't jive with what you spew.

I've told you several million original, first slaves in this country were white Irish. I've told you that your garbage of wanting district voting and tilting the tables by the NAACP in that respect is equal to 'equal but seperate' or as you like to talk about 'Jim Crow'. You do it to yourself and then want pity.... most don't have any.

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I was almost afraid you wouldn't reply. As I stated, most here are well educated and articulate. You're obviously are not among that group. Thanks for helping to validate my point. . . And thanks to those who read, are not offended, and expose themselves to different perspectives without feeling a need to change theirs. This may sound corney, but I have always turned to God, she's a pretty good 'shrink'!

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Dm truth hurts doesn't it

you will never get the mental help nor pity you want/need on this board. I think you need to look in the yellow pages.

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Dm truth hurts doesn't it

you will never get the mental help nor pity you want/need on this board. I think you need to look in the yellow pages.

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go find yourself a srink. Someone who is ....paid....might offer you sympathy

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DMom & comment

As much as you'd like to make it so, my cmt has absolutely nothing to do with color, skin or otherwise. And you can make what you wish of the cmt by POTUS--I make it a slap-in-the-face to individual accomplishment and a reminder that you must feel indebted to the Govt--no thanks.

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AHG

Sorry I misjudged your comment. Thanks for the clarification. You're quite a secure guy!!