In defense of the Fayette NAACP

Despite numerous false accusations lobbed at the NAACP in the media, this historic organization can only be accurately labeled as a true champion of equality, justice, diversity and inclusion.

In the early 1950s, the NAACP filed the landmark case known as Brown vs. The Board of Education and won. As a result, white and black children all over the South were required to attend the same schools like I did beginning in 1970 in Americus, Ga.

Wherever there is unlawful discrimination taking place, the NAACP has an obligation to first seek voluntary changes to eliminate discrimination which we did in Fayette County.

Several years ago, I personally appeared before the Fayette County Commission and asked them to voluntarily switch to district voting. The commissioners all looked at me as if I was crazy and promptly ignored my request and numerous other appeals for district voting.

Efforts to get district voting through the legislature were also thwarted.

So if there is no conspiracy to keep people of color off the county commission and school board, why vehemently resist changing to district voting?

It is a verifiable fact that historically to some degree or another, black people in America have systemically been wrongfully abused, used, discriminated against, neglected and exploited ever since we set foot on American soil.

Yet as Americans, we brave black folks are the ones who must constantly challenge America to live up to its promise of liberty and justice for all.

So with discrimination still being a constant reality more often than not, we find that people in control of Fayette County government have refused to voluntarily do anything to eliminate racial discrimination in Fayette County elections.

So what did you expect the NAACP to do? Did you expect the NAACP to continue to allow the votes of black residents to be diluted?

Did you really expect us to sit back and allow an all-white county commission and school board to continue making policy and decisions without any input from us?

Did you expect us to forgo seeking a court remedy that would give us the opportunity to elect the candidate of our choice?

If the federal judge orders a special election, you can thank all those Fayette County leaders who repeatedly dismissed the call to voluntarily change to district voting.

But thanks to the federal justice system and district voting, Fayette County now has a golden opportunity to finally embrace diversity and inclusion by bringing fairness to government and unity to our community.

As a very proud American citizen who served my country in the military for decades, I fully expect my vote for a county commission or school board candidate to count.

But with at-large voting, it has been proven that my vote and the votes of the black residents in north Fayette County are illegally diluted by a biased group of voters in other parts of the county who have statistically proven that they historically prefer any white candidate over a black candidate.

Thus, the Voting Rights Act and Judge Batten’s 81-page decision in favor of district voting gives me the expectation that we in north Fayette County will soon be able to elect the candidate of our choice, whether that candidate be black, white or otherwise.

Furthermore, shouldn’t there be people of color on the county commission and school board if we are to have diversity and inclusion in government? What is divisive about that?

And if our county leaders were color-blind, wouldn’t they be able to understand that district voting is the fairest way to elect county commissioners and school board members?

Honestly, I do not expect to get those who hate or attack the NAACP to agree with me. As a matter of fact, I full expect to be attacked, cursed and put down. Why?

Because there are a few hateful vocal minority of selfish people who really expect black people to be quiet and stay in our place.

Like vocal white supremacists of the Jim Crow era, they have no respect for the NAACP, outspoken civil rights activists and people of color in general because they expect blacks to be subservient, pay our taxes, cut our grass and be content to let white people make all of the decisions that affect us, our children and our communities.

But somewhere I heard Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. tell Negroes to straighten up our backs because nobody can ride your back when you stand upright.

So call us uppity or upright if you will. That is the charge we have from that great black leader with an amazing dream.

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the historic March on Washington, thousands of black Americans are reviving the spirit of activism that moved us to change things for the better.

Nevertheless, not all black people in Fayette County are willing to stand upright or associate with the NAACP because they may be too scared, apathetic or have been conditioned to not make waves or duped into conforming to the expectation that blacks should stay in our place and be subservient.

But the NAACP owes it to any person of color to show everybody that standing up for our civil rights is not only our duty and obligation, it is the only way we will ever gain the dignity and respect we deserve as real Americans.

So I call upon people of all races to join the NAACP as we fulfill Dr. King’s dream of loving everybody, even those who do not love us or what we do to make this world better.

So what can you expect from the NAACP in the future years to come? Expect the NAACP to continue bringing people of all races together to challenge racism wherever it exists.

The NAACP boldly aims to lovingly help those who are blind to racism because like many of our vocal NAACP-bashing citizens, they are blind to racism because they are not affected by it.

And because racism and discrimination has become so underhanded, sneaky and hidden in some cases, it’s us up to the NAACP to expose racism for all to see, because no else will. That’s what the NAACP has done for over 100 years.

What else can you expect? Expect that most blacks in Fayette County and those to come will try our very best to improve on what is already a great place to live and raise a family.

So, expect thousands of progressive blacks to migrate to Fayette County because we value the great education system here. We blacks have become very fond of getting a good education because education was once something that our enslaved ancestors were forbidden to get and maliciously deprived of, for centuries.

Most of all, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Fayette County soon becomes a county with a progressive majority/minority population. And I expect that district voting will allow white voters in a majority/majority district to elect the candidate of their choice, whether that candidate is black, white or otherwise.

John E. Jones
Fayetteville, Ga.

[Jones is the president of the Fayette County Branch of the NAACP. The local organization’s website is http://www.fcnaacp.org.]

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Oh that was a good one!

the question was..."I've got a great idea, instead of talking about what you use to do...if you did anything...go to DeKalb, Clayton...etc and vol as a teacher and try to put humpy dumpty back together again. Do the work instead of talking the bs 24/7...how bout that DM?"

you finally admitted it....you want to whine and pick and dig at people till you get what you feel is race remarks. This is your whole reason for being.

By not doing anything as a black to remedy the travesty in DeKalb, Clayton, and South Fulton, you ARE exactly what the problem is!

You as a group feel no responsibility for the messes you have created. You just want to as you put is 'expose ignorance'

Well I think you did....your own, as well as the indifference to the messes you guys have created. You will never feel you are responsible for anything, just entitled. THAT IS THE PROBLEM..
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Show 'us' how - oh great and intelligent leader

Let's see you and your organizations 'fix' Appalachia; the backroads of Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, California, etc., etc., etc. You know, by working together, we just may get this country 'fixed'. Wow - you give one 'black' woman a lot of power - but one person cannot solve the problem of miseducation, poverty, skewed morals, - and we have an underclass in this country/world of all 'colors' that need understanding, respect, - help. There is an organization here in Fayette County called FACTOR. Members represent every race, religion, interest group in Fayette County. They share their skills with one another to get the job done. FACTOR - good citizens in action helping to educate, encourage, enlighten those who need temporary assistance. Keep using your energy to express your obvious frustration coupled with misguided hate. I will continue to express my thanks for living in a community in Georgia that has CHANGED. Proud to be a resident in Fayetteville, GA. Living here for the past 10 years proves to me that the blacks and whites who supported the Civil Rights movement 50 years ago did not work in vain. Its obvious from some contributions that there is still work to be done - but we're well on the way to becoming ONE AMERICA.

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suggarfoot

I guess from your answer - and your opinion that I skirted the question - you don't see a possibility of persons working together to solve problems. I think you're wrong.

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you skirted it

What I am saying is....you and the NAACP wanted CONTROL of already well run counties....right here. You took control of good schools, good neighborhoods. You demanded your minority right to run the majority. Now look at what you have done, all in a matter of a few years. DeKalb, Clayton, and S Fulton. You have ruined them all. Your so called improvements haven't been improvements at all. Wherever you have taken over, you have laid waste. You didn't have to go in and build these areas from the ground up like the people who's lives you destroyed and property so ruined they got up and moved. You took well run, good schools in DeKalb and ruined them so bad they have made the papers repeatedly. Whitie didn't ruin them. Whitie built them.

Now it appears to me, for power and money, the NAACP wants to come in here and do the same. There is nothing wrong with how this area is being run. One of the reasons you and other members of the NAACP moved HERE was cause it was well run right? Why didn't you move to Clayton, S Fulton, DeKalb if you wanted minority control? It certainly is there. Answer me that.

The areas you have taken over for the sake of taking over, you have ruined.

What I'm saying to you is that if the answers to the problems of Fayette (we didn't know we had any) were that you needed to be in control, then why is DeKalb, S Fulton, and Clayton not working where you very much TOOK control from the white majority?

Let me ask you another question, if you have a child and it continually makes a mess, do you give it more, unlimited material to make more messes?....or do you guide it back to its original messes and let it learn by fixing/cleaning up those? That is what logical people have done with their children, but in this country, the government has gone crazy and upheld your right to dismantle what we have so painstakenly built.

I'll tell you what is going to happen. The next election, you will see a backlash for your insatiable hunger for power. We will elect someone who will stop this. You have only to read some of answers to blogs on CNN where Oprah has talked about how she was discriminated against about a saleswoman showing her a bag that wasn't the most expensive in the store, the Travyon deal, etc... read the responses and you will see that white America is growing very tired of the race card. The expiration date on your advantage above all other races for God knows what is about to end. The time to grow up and act responsible with all the many advantages you have been given is long over due. People are very tired of the pity party/race card and the endless experiments till you get it right at the expence of others life work.

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One district seat on a governing body=control?

Well, if you say so.

YOU

1. Can't stop generalizing
2. Enjoy expressing your insecure anger at having to deal with 'some' people of color having equal opportunity
3. Can't see that there are poor white people who need assistance.
4. Possibly have never seen a 'poor white' neighborhood or 'whites' who are living in Section 8 housing - and are 'ruining' the neighborhood.
5. Don't realize that I don't need 'power' in Fayette County.
6. Don't realize that there are still 'whites' in Clayton, DeKalb, Fulton - and not all have the funds/education to fit the demographics of Fayette County. I think the 'experts' called in to create a 'map' for the new district - and the intelligent leaders who see why the Districtwide voting was seen as a possible ploy to diminish a minority vote will deal with the problem. As many have stated here - in Fayette County, one minority on a governing body will not cause people to leave their homes - it is the crime. Fayette County with the cooperation of the city law enforcement agencies is dealing with this.

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Now it appears to me, for power and money, the NAACP wants to come in here and do the same. There is nothing wrong with how this area is being run. One of the reasons you and other members of the NAACP moved HERE was cause it was well run right? Why didn't you move to Clayton, S Fulton, DeKalb if you wanted minority control? It certainly is there. Answer me that.The areas you have taken over for the sake of taking over, you have ruined

This is a free country - and my membership in an organization was not requested when I purchased my home; or when I shop in this community; or when I pay my taxes. If you are growing tired of the race card - stop playing it and bragging about it. Your threatening minorities with what the 'white' community will do is stupid 50 years after the Civil Rights Movement. The majority of Americans, until some politician decided to use race in politics, are dealing with issues, not race. Yes, it did seem the south had a more difficult time in implementing change - but Fayette County has changed greatly in the last 50 years. Do some harbor fears and distrust based on race - evidently yes - but as long as it does not affect the opportunity of enjoying full citizenship, individuals will have to deal with their personal fears. (black and white)

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The time to grow up and act responsible with all the many advantages you have been given is long over due. People are very tired of the pity party/race card and the endless experiments till you get it right at the expence of others life work.

There you have it. The advantages that have been given - after years of segregation and denial, minorities and women have finally been given the rights enjoyed by males and whites under our Constitution.

You and your family have been here for many years I would surmise. Why aren't you president of the United States? You have had every advantage, opportunity - and legal support. I bet many, (white and black) did not expect to have a 'black' president in 50 years after voting rights were established for all citizens of our county. Americans are admired throughout the world for making positive steps in overcoming a segregated society.
You may have only been around middle class white citizens in your American experience. In the 50's, many middle class white citizens acted like 'thugs' around black people. In the 60's-2003, I had the opportunity to observe poor white communities in California - and believe me, skin color was not the issue - education, income, home training were the common factors in those communities which were poor and needed assistance. FACT: There are 'poor' communities that are NOT CRIME RIDDEN. (And with the current ecomonic situation - the residents of middle class communities are becoming targets of the 'have nots - criminal element of our society.

FACT: Poor people without the funds or education to maintain a home - regardless of color - will have difficulty maintaining a home in a 'middle class manner'. Many people in this country are trying to provide a workshop for new homeowners instituted in areas where the new homeowner or renter may need that assistance in maintaining their own home.

The 'change' in Clayton, Dekalb, etc. was according to the record, not instituted by the NAACP, but by the Atlanta Olympic Committee in displacing certain neighborhoods in the Atlanta area - with the cooperation of allowing homes in some neighboring counties to be rented out as Section 8 housing. There were middle class blacks who moved to these areas also - and some still reside there. There are very, very few Section 8 or low rent apartments in Fayette County - as another poster shared. You seem to feel that all people of color 'ruin' a neighborhood. You are entitled to your opinion - but I will continue to share an opposite point of view. My husband and I did a lot of research on the neighborhood that we moved into. It was very important to us that the HOA was strict about the upkeep of the homes and yards - for this helps to maintain the value of the property investment. If 'white' homeowners did not obey the covenants - we would want them fined just like 'minority' homeowners would be fined.

Thanks for taking the time to express your opinion and point of view. I think we've exhausted this topic, unless you have another point to make.

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again you skirted this

(Last troll feed...I promise everyone)

"The 'change' in Clayton, Dekalb, etc. was according to the record, not instituted by the NAACP, but by the Atlanta Olympic Committee in displacing certain neighborhoods in the Atlanta area"

you would like to rewrite what happened to DeKalb wouldn't you. The Olympic committee had nothing to do with ruining the schools, DeKalb schools were ruined because you decided there weren't enough blacks in them. The NAACP went wild and we had kids bussed in from neighboring counties. The classes were horrible. I was there to witness it. The teachers lost control. Whites didn't like their kids experimented on. They moved to Fayette. There are a lot of whites here with "experiment scars".

You don't like it being pointed out that you COULD live in a black governed utopia....you compared the black run counties...DeKalb, Clayton, and S Fulton...and found them lacking. You don't even like the results of black run areas. By moving here you have ADMITED IT! Ha ha... the more you open your mouth the worse it gets.

I, like so many others, G35, Nuk, etc...will not respond to your prattle. You do get my pity on at least that issue. You will never change. Poor DM.

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Don't feed the skeezer!

Sugarfoot? Feel better now. You could have achieved the same result by banging your head against the wall. The villiage skeezer will never admit that the black culture of out-of-wedlock birth, absentee fathers, racism, hatred of whitie, crime, poor performance in school, general thuggery and criminality is responsible.

Then we have this feckless, incompetent 'president' that won't lead the country and throws a temper tantrum every time he doesn't get his way.

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Classy Joe

Is it not possible for you to put forth an argument without calling someone a nasty name? How old are you? Five?

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Busy Bee - Wake up and smell the roses!

Exactly what language would would you use in describing our "resident racist" hmmmmm? I've seen the term "race whore" regularly used to describe both DM and a variety of others who regularly prostitute every last bit of ethical behavior that they may (or may not) have ever had in order to maintain the slavery of their own people. Note that not all chains are forged from steel.

Of course even I would prefer that Joe kept his descriptions both grammatically and factually correct and in the future preface the noun "skezer" with the appropriate adjectives "low" and "rent".

You may, as you see fit, use any of the multitude of other descriptive language available to describe human garbage ....... as you see fit. Perhaps you would be more comfortable with the time honored / end all of insults: Poo Poo Head. Personally I think I'll stick with what I consider to be most truly descriptive of that particular piece of garbage: "race whore".

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This is an interesting, but not unique attack on one who respects Americans who support the unification of what was separated due to the practices of legal segregation in this country. I think there are those who are shocked at the depth of ignorant expression that some are willing to expose publicly(but anonomously). One really has to wonder what in the world is one so frightened of in 2013? Are the words of one black women really so threatening that you and others have to try to denigrate her character because she is proud of who she is and proud of the accomplishments of her forefathers - and proud of the young black man who is now president of the United States? How is her expression or opinion a threat to who you are and who your forefathers were? I'm sure there are not too many people who are even bothering to read this stuff - but I'd like to share Websters definition of 'racist' or 'racism'

Definition of RACISM

1
: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2
: racial prejudice or discrimination
— rac·ist noun or adjective
See racism defined for English-language learners »
See racism defined for kids »
Examples of RACISM

the racism that was the basis of apartheid

The recording career of the Henderson band was brief … due partly to the racism of booking agencies that didn't take on black acts until the mid-'30s, when Henderson's career was on the downswing. —Greg Tate, Vibe, April 1995

There are many other definitions, but I think this is the one you are using to describe me. Your view may have been prevalent when I was 11 years old. I have met too many citizens in Fayette County who obviously do not agree with you today. If you really are a citizen of FC. - and fit the demographic of this county - why do you and others even bother to comment? I'm not trying to change minds here - just present another point of view. Disrespecting individuals based on their skin color or heritage is viewed as ignorant hypocrisy. My point of view is that of a black women who has lived long enough to see positive change in a suburban southern town since she drove through with her famiky some 63 years ago. Citizens have expressed fear of crime; lowering of property value, etc, These problems are not caused by the black citizens of Fayette County.

As far as calling me a 'whore', the men in my family feel exactly as the men in your family would feel if someone called your wife or mother a whore.

No matter your attacks, I will still voice my opinion on the progress that I have witnessed in race relations in our country and in Fayette County.

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Davids mom -

There you go with the same old morally bankrupt protestations and feeble attempts to convert specific facts to politically correct generalizations.

The term used was the common garden variety phrase "race whore". Your pathetic and repetitious attempts to cherry pick dialog in order to portray yourself as the eternal victim is quite frankly .... boring. Simply put, I won't play a rigged game by your rules.

If indeed your fore bearers were actually persecuted in the numbers and ways that you incessantly drone on and on about, you might be due the courtesy of an attentive audience. The fact of the matter is that you have been caught dead square in so many lies on so many subjects that it would not be hard to believe that you would even lie about your gender.

You remain the reigning champion of cut and paste as you remain an insult to honest people of color everywhere.

If the "men" of your supposed family really object to your cherry picked
verbiage, then they should, as the old expression goes; "get their momma off the streets". Past that - deal with it.

There !!!!!! I've fed the troll (low rent skezer/race whore) all I'm going to in one day.

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Cal

I know that David's Mom has specifically asked that she not be referred to as a whore.

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rolling stone

Freedom of speech is a right. Ignorance is a given. I don't think many here think that I have painted myself as a victim - certainly not in 2013 as a citizen of Fayette County. Politically, I am certainly in a minority - but morally, I feel that I am among people who want exactly what I want - peace, safety, respect and civility. Cal Beverly has given me an opportunity to express my opinion - and has not 'disciplined' me, since I try to abide by his guidelines. I learned a long time ago that no one can label you but you! Some are just tired of my posting my view in contradistinction to the view of obvious bigots when it comes to 'race'. It is a shame that this opinion is tied in the eyes of so many citizens to the 'southern' Republican Party. In this country we need leaders who can listen to one another and at least find areas where they can work together and get the job done of governing this country. The 'race card' in politics has proved detrimental to those who play it. America has come a long way in 'race relations- and I wrote an opinion about that some time ago - and over 7000 readers of The Citizen took the time to at least glance at it. It doesn't matter whether they agree or not - but I think my generation has done a pretty good jog in 'marching towards the dream'. (White, black, Hispanic, Asian, Native Americans - all Americans in 2013.) I came along when there were no minorities on television - today one sees people (Americans) of all races on TV - truly representing the diversity of our country. Whites are not excluded from this representation - for our Founding Fathers were white - and it is their words that we are finally trying to manifest in our daily relationships with one another.

Haven't experienced any 'bad' water and not eligible to vote on PTC matters. Interesting discussion however. I just love Fayetteville and my neighbors. . . people like Major Mike can't hurt anyone with their words. May God bless us all.

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David's mom

You need no defense from me, that is a given. My opinion is that while using vulgar epithets may be free speech they are not a good idea.

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What 'they' don't seem to realize is that their 'words' tell a lot about their character. Vulgarity sort of loses the argument. . . .and doesn't really relate to the issue. No doubt they don't agree with me - on many issues. LOL!!

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rolling stone - David?

Is your name David?

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Is your name David?

That's a negative.

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rolling stone

I knew that!!!!

Keep the shiny side up and your landings equal to your number of takeoffs.

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Rolling Rock & Titles

How about you Joe some help with terminology in DM's case. I don't like the term used either but would "Race Pimp" be better? As a temporary resident, just how would you describe her attitude & demeanor? All I ask is that you be honest in your assessment.

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I'm not going there. David's mom gives bloggers plenty to disagree with but absolutely nothing that warrants being called a whore.

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OK, so do you say that attaching the same title to Jesse Jackson and Sharpton is wrong/incorrect/misleading? That's been happening for perhaps years. Their activities beg for descriptive identification--and they are unwavering in what they do and say, though it's commonly destructive to racial harmony. Well, I'm outta my lane here, I normally avoid racial controversy. When you headed to PA?

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Do not feed the troll

It is what it is.

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Rolling Rock & Titles

OK, as a part-time resident, how about you give Joe some help with an unbiased term inhow to describe DM, her philosophy & demeanor. How about Race Pimp--does that sound better? All I ask is that you be honest with your assessment--fair enough?

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The Olympic committee had nothing to do with ruining the schools, DeKalb schools were ruined because you decided there weren't enough blacks in them. The NAACP went wild and we had kids bussed in from neighboring counties

You've been angry since mandatory bussing? Let it go. I have enough experience to know not to generalize with your use of YOU in stating that - yes there were some 'whites' who found this distasteful. Most who could afford it went to Christian Schools - so the public schools really weren't integrated according to those who were raised here

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You don't like it being pointed out that you COULD live in a black governed utopia....you compared the black run counties...DeKalb, Clayton, and S Fulton...and found them lacking.

You don't get it. I would never move to an all-white area - since that would not be my choice. Fayette County was not 'all white'. I have always lived in an integrated neighborhood, attended integrated schools, etc. I used my choice and my income to decide where I would live in Georgia and who my neighbors would be. As long as you print a bigoted/ignorant view point - I will respond with another point of view.. LOL (Why don't you have the 'guts' to ignore me and have a great day?)

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MYTMITE: People Forget History

When we forget history we are doomed to repeat it.

Right now with the racist bs coming from the naacp we are exactly where Clayton County was early 1990s.

I hope you and your family are well. I have only been in the ATL area never Miami.

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Sad but true, Skyspy---Right now my family is doing okay--

daughter is in remission and we are praying it stays that way. All good things to you and yours.

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Naacp or kkk Same not different

The local naacp wants to vote for someone based on color alone. They don't want to compete against any other politician in the county they want a district based on black race alone.

There is no difference between the racist policies of the local naacp and the kkk. They are both racist. It's very simple.

I have two questions for our local naacp : 1. why haven't you cleaned up Dekalb, South Fulton and Clayton counties? You know the same counties that you threatened in the past. You know you told them you had to have blacks in leadership positions to um......what was it again??? "Improve" ?????? their counties......really? Why aren't you cleaning up your untreated sewage plants?? You trashed those counties with incompetent leaders....you weren't looking for people who could do the job....you were only voting based on the color of their skin. A couple of weeks ago our local news stations declared Dekalb and Clayton counties to be 85% ghetto. They went from being clean safe places to live, with good schools and now they are urban waste lands of high crime, failing schools.

Don't tell us that you want to improve a community that already has low crime and good schools. Be truthful. You want to destroy our nice safe community. I could have more respect for you if you would just be honest. You see a community that is clean and safe, and it is different than the naacp counties of DeKalb, South Fulton , and Clayton. It makes you mad that you were such a failure in those counties doesn't it? Epic fail for all of those counties where you voted based on race alone. The fact that Fayette County exists demonstrates that not all counties in the Atlanta metro area need to be ghettos. Every time we succeed, we demonstrate what a failure your policies in other counties has been. You can't handle that, can you? You can't handle the fact that your policies have failed in 3 other counties. You aren't capable of improving anything....in fact you have destroyed every community you touch....by voting only based on race.

My second question : Where will you move when you turn Fayette county into the crime filled waste land just like you did with Clayton and Dekalb? You see most of us moved when Clayton fell to high crime and failing schools of the naacp black only agenda.....so we don't mind moving. How many more failures would you like to add to your resume? How many more communities do you want to ruin with your blatant incompetence?

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Thank you Skyspy

For noting the differentiation between the local and national NAACP. Looking at the demographic changes over the years between certain areas of Clayton County and Fayette County - not all 'whites' could afford to leave Clayton County. The economic demographics of the two counties remain quite different. Those who could 'move on up' did so. There are some who moved out of Clayton - but did not move to Fayette,

Unless there is a boom in low-cost housing in Fayette County - Fayette will not become Clayton. Black skinned citizens with a desire to live in a clean, safe community, attend better than average public schools, participate in community activities will be your neighbors in Fayette County. Check it out.

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A Question?

Will middle class families move from Fayette County because of a black in a leadership position ? There is a black on the City Council in Fayetteville, and middle class citizens of all colors are moving into old and new homes. Many ran from Clayton (black and white) and allowed section 8 tenants to move in some areas. The reality, there weren't many whites left in those counties to be elected. There aren't many section 8 families moving into FC. With the projected growth due to Pinewood and the college, it doesn't look like section 8 families ( black or white) will move to FC. There are more minorities and whites moving to FC, but many of them have chosen to keep their children in private schools. But who knows, the BOE may have to provide more classrooms within two years.

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DM - Moving

People are moving from Fayette County because of the thugs that are ruining it...the crime...the crime.

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Moving out?

Why all the building of middle class homes in Fayetteville? Who is PTC expecting? Whites and others are moving into Fayetteville. I have no idea what is happening in other parts of the county. The Fayetteville Police Dept. has stepped up to the plate and citizens are feeling safer. We'll see. I do agree - that if crime increases, many will leave, Unfortunately some equate black skin with crime (as I used to equate white skin with meanness and brutality) - but this is 2013 and many have moved past this type of thinking. We'll see.

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DM no one

Is going anywhere because a black is elected to the Commission or BOE.

People will move when they feel that crime and thuggery are winning in our neighborhoods, schools and shopping areas.

That's why people move out of communities that once thrived.

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PTC - Moving
PTC Observer wrote:

Is going anywhere because a black is elected to the Commission or BOE.

People will move when they feel that crime and thuggery are winning in our neighborhoods, schools and shopping areas.

That's why people move out of communities that once thrived.

Exactly why we moved out of Clayton County...crime and thugs. Exactly why we are going to have to move out of Fayette County - crime.

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PTCO...Exactly...

...why we leave.

Fayette will soon be like Clayton... a wasteland.

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Not nearly enough cheap housing/apartments here for that

I know, I grew up in Morrow.

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Spyglass

From current building plans in Fayette County, I think/hope you're right.

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Yup!

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skyspy & naacp

Damn! Think you been getting too much scope time!

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at HomeGym : Good to Hear from You

I have been busy. I have been trying to keep out of this sad issue. It is a shame to see our community leaders being bullied by a group that is just as violent and hateful and racist as the kkk and the black panthers.

I guess I'll have to keep practicing at Autrey's until I get enough criminals to use for target practice in my own yard.
We are living in crazy times.

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Mr. Jones, NAACP

What has transpired has only served to further divide this community. If you studied history, you would see how this has NOT worked for Clayton County. When is the NAACP going to stand up for the hispanics in Tyrone and get them some special voting so that they can elect one of "their own"? NAACP is NOT a good thing for race relations.

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The national NAACP

Everyone is entitled to their opinion of the NAACP. Below are some facts of their current leader – and their expenditures. The NAACP is a national organization – and its funds are spent on many issues other than the voting practices of Fayette County Georgia.

http://www.naacp.org/pages/benjamin-todd-jealous

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=4158#...

Some information regarding the current president:

Over the past two decades, he has helped organize successful campaigns to abolish the death penalty for children, stop Mississippi's governor from turning a public historically black university into a prison, and pass federal legislation against prison rape. His journalistic investigations have been credited with helping save the life of a white inmate who was being threatened for helping convict corrupt prison guards, free a black small farmer who was being framed for arson, and spur official investigations into law enforcement corruption.
A Rhodes Scholar, he is a graduate of Columbia and Oxford University, the past president of the Rosenberg Foundation and served as the founding director of Amnesty International's US Human Rights Program. While at Amnesty, he authored the widely-cited report: Threat and Humiliation--Racial Profiling, Domestic Security, and Human Rights in the United States.

There are issues of his contribution that some here may find negative – but at least you have the ‘facts’ of the national organization and it’s current leadership.

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Mr. Jones, I applaud your

Mr. Jones,
I applaud your passion for the NAACP. I respect you standing for your beliefs. The problem I have with the NAACP is the fact it is an organization based on progressing one race. Story after story after story shows the NAACP arguing on behalf of blacks, but when a black person commits the same act on another race, the NAACP can be seen no where.
The idea and origin of the NAACP had a wonderful beginning, but as most political organizations, it became diluted from its original purpose. It isn't used to better colored people, as its name states, it is used to progress political motivations of a select few. Sounds like the same type of organizations that you say are harmful.
I regards to the district voting. The district lines will be drawn so that a section of Fayette County is destined for a black representative on the school board and commission. Does that sound legitimate? If a group of individuals of another race were to go into a majority black area and carve a small section to specifically elect a candidate of their race, the NAACP would sue to block it. The double standards of your organization are the issues most citizens of another race have.
I am not jumping on the "if you don't like the way we do it, don't come here" group. Maybe I am a naïve individual, but I truly look at the candidate's position and goals they are bringing to the table to be elected. Don't force someone simply because you want a black representative. Work hard and cultivate a candidate that can bring great ideas on the things that matter most, taxes, public safety and education. Weather you're a conservative, republican or democrat the goal of representatives of the county government is for the furtherance of Fayette County citizens, not just a select race.

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Applauding Mr. Jones - not so much

If you look at just district voting without the racial element, then it is pretty simple - do you want to have just one vote on the county commission candidates or would you want the opportunity to vote for (or against) the candidates for all 5 seats. Hardly anyone would say that giving away 4/5 of your voting power makes any sense.

So now Mr. Jones and the NAACP comes along and proposes the same thing and injects race into it and all of a sudden it is a good idea? Are you kidding me? Black people are no more capable of running a county government than anyone else. Why should they get a leg up by rigging the election through gerrymandered districts? I don't think this is what Martin Luther King was speaking about when he said we should all be judged on the content of our character rather than the color of our skin. And yet Mr. Jones somehow implies that MLK would endorse this district voting thing.

No Mr. Jones, what MLK (and Bill Cosby and Benjamin Carson) would tell you is to hold yourself erect, pull up your pants, stay in school, don't have kids until you can afford them, get an education, get a job, contribute to the community and then - run for office. You do that and recognize you are in a conservative county - you might get elected and it won't matter what color your skin is.

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Thank You suggarfoot

I had to laugh when I saw the news tonight. The apple doesn't fall to far from the tree apparently

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another example

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2601391734001/teens-charged-in-school-bus-bea...

If you could clean up your act...maybe someone would take you seriously. Where was Sharpton and Jones?

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with the constant attacks on whites

like the toddler in Bruswick, the poor child on the bus, the man in Minn. etc., I am reminded of the story of the "over the mountain men"

Whites don't take to the streets like a pack of dogs everytime things don't go their way. They think it is low. But if people like Sharpton, Jackson, DM, keep pushing, they will be surprised at the reaction. Whites have a lot of tolerance but they are no fools and the incessant hounding and badgering by the NAACP for more insane tilted laws, and attacking of our children won't be tolerated much longer. When a thug like Martin gets it for attacking what he ..thought...was an unarmed man, you are outraged.

For any that don't know the story of the Over the Mountain men, they were white settlers from northern Ireland that moved to the US to get away for the oppression of English rule. When Cornwallis followed them here and threaten their families, they came over the mountains after him and his well trained army! They clearly had had enough!

Be careful how you push, you might get pushed back and with very good reason!

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You are Correct suggarfoot

The liberal news media ignores the racist hate crimes against whites. We are discriminated against.

Try to ignore our resident racist race baiter "davids mom". I believe she is a white person in the kkk who is trying to pit whites against blacks with her racist hate filled comments. Just ignore her hatred she is an ugly refugee from the kkk of old.

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Try to ignore our resident racist race baiter "davids mom". I believe she is a white person in the kkk who is trying to pit whites against blacks with her racist hate filled comments. Just ignore her hatred she is an ugly refugee from the kkk of old.

Well - you have really lost your credibility regarding your reasoning ability. There are those readers who know for sure that Davids mom is not 'white'. LOL!! We wouldn't know of racist hate crimes against citizens unless the news media informed us. I read both liberal and conservative media - and race/hate crimes are pretty evenly reported. The very liberal and very conservative will use these crimes to further their 'racial' agenda. . . but unfortunately/fortunately, the general public is well aware of this sickness that exists in our midst. In urban areas, the crime is black on black/hispanic on hispanic, anyone against the 'gay' or lesbian community. . . .which is integrated.

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my comment above was posted in response to the above. I do not understand how you could say such things.

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my comment above was posted in response to the above. I do not understand how you could say such things.

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Baiting for a 'race war"

You are sick.

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NAACP and Race relations

I know that your response to this post will be that this is a small group that doesn't represent Fayette County. I disagree. I think we're seeing a sample of feelings that does represent FayCo. If you take a close look you'll see what the NAACP is doing to race relations here. Let me see if I can explain how whites are starting to feel. It's like if your great grand dad borrowed $50 from mine and never repaid it. So I come to you for the money. You say OK and give me $50. I then say no, I want the value of the $50 when it was loaned. So you say OK again and pay me more. Then I say but I should entitled to interest. You pay again. Then I say well if my great gran dad had the money he was offered a chance to buy stock in XYZ company but couldn't since he had given $50 to your GG dad. So I want the value of the stock. At some point you're going to tell me where to get off. But this is the game the NAACP plays because when they stop they will no longer have a reason to exists.

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G35 Dude

That's the best analogy I have seen to date. Thanks.

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I thought we had agreed

To NOT feed the troll. It is a one act play.

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You Hit the Nail on the Head G35 Dude

I think they actually get an extra bonus for causing division and hate in a community. What else could be their motive? Why would you destroy a peaceful community where everyone gets along?

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G35

You raise a good point here - many younger whites feel that they are wrongly blamed and punished for things that occurred prior to their births (slavery, jim crow, etc). I would place myself in that group.

Additionally, many of those who now stand to benefit from weighted systems (affirmative action, race-based voting districts, etc) were ALSO not alive to have suffered under the aforementioned racist systems.

Consider this as well - prior to abolition, somewhere around 5% of American whites owned slaves. This means that large numbers of whites today don't even have an ancestral connection to slavery.

Moreover, most "African Americans" today have white ancestors (22% European DNA, on average, according to the journal Genome Biology), presumably from slave master/slave relationships (e.g., Jefferson & Sally Hemings). SO... the percentage of black Americans with slave owning ancestors is likely HIGHER than the percentage of whites with slave owning ancestors.

With that in mind, perhaps blacks should get together and start paying reparations to one another... and leave me alone regarding things that I and my family had nothing to do with.

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You raise a good point here - many younger whites feel that they are wrongly blamed and punished for things that occurred prior to their births (slavery, jim crow, etc). I would place myself in that group.

Many of us are now being punished simply for being the wrong color.

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Moreover, most "African Americans" today have white ancestors (22% European DNA, on average, according to the journal Genome Biology), presumably from slave master/slave relationships (e.g., Jefferson & Sally Hemings). SO... the percentage of black Americans with slave owning ancestors is likely HIGHER than the percentage of whites with slave owning ancestors.

With that in mind, perhaps blacks should get together and start paying reparations to one another... and leave me alone regarding things that I and my family had nothing to do with.

Add in the fact that the blacks that were slaves were sold into slavery by other blacks and this statement carries even more weight.

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G35/Silverstar Wow!! Where have we heard this before!

Now whites are victims? This is very interesting. Please enlighten us so that we have a better understanding of why you, as whites, have such a feeling of fear, distrust, etc. of the blacks in your community. (Not the blacks represented by STATISTICS, or the blacks who live in poor neighborhoods, or the blacks who commit crime) But the blacks that you actually interact with. Please include exactly how you are being punished. (By the way - check carefully your source - and please put your opinion in your own words. I have copies of some of your sources)

I will listen - and not respond to your answer - but learn from it. No statistics please - just your experience with the blacks that you interact with here in Fayette County. Thanks

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" Please enlighten us so that

" Please enlighten us so that we have a better understanding of why you, as whites, have such a feeling of fear, distrust, etc. of the blacks in your community...................just your experience with the blacks that you interact with here in Fayette County"

Well I know of one that we all unfortunately know!
Most think is crazy as an outhouse rat!

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Just so I can better understand (to improve my blogging tone), would you rate your comments to Dads Mom as sanctimonious, rude, mean, or normal?

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DM - homework assignment

Ok DM, I'll play along. But first, I must point out that your desire to severely restrict the parameters of the conversation is... interesting. And yes, I'm using that word as you do - as a euphemism for "you're probably a racist."

But I will answer your question. You may be shocked to learn that my experiences with blacks in this community are largely positive. But, as I stated before, any large group will have its good, bad, and average. I live in a very nice neighborhood that is probably almost equally divided between black and white families. Two of my black neighbors are law enforcement officers; they are awesome and we have much in common. At the other end of the spectrum, two of my black neighbors are criminals. One is in prison for drug trafficking and one has a lengthy record of domestic violence arrests.

So DM, I'm sure you're disappointed to learn that I do not "fear and distrust" all black people. What I do fear and distrust is the gangsta/thug/ghetto/welfare culture that is eating away at our society like a cancer. Sadly, it appears to be the PREVAILING culture among young blacks, which explains all of the pesky statistics and facts you'd like to exclude from the conversation. And yes DM, I know that some whites participate in it too. Don't worry, I dislike them with equal enthusiasm. Based on earlier conversations with you, I think you fail to grasp that - unlike race - culture is a CHOICE. As such, it is a very valid means by which to judge people.

Lastly, I fear and distrust the hypocritical philosophy to which you and the Fayette NAACP subscribe. Unlike ya'll, I believe that ANY discrimination or favoritism based on race is wrong. I have a hard time believing that you would be okay with an advocacy group for white people pushing a lawsuit to create a special voting district for whites, based on the assumption that white people can only be adequately represented by other white people.

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Thanks for taking the time to answer. I am not at all surprised at your answer, for I feel that most citizens of Fayetteville or Fayette County are having similar experiences. My concern is that from some of the words posted here - there is a generalization that most young black males in Fayette County are

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Sadly, it appears to be the PREVAILING culture among young blacks, which explains all of the pesky statistics and facts you'd like to exclude from the conversation.

Is that 'culture' found in Fayette County? (Rhetorica) But many persons who happen to be mothers of; grandparents of; young black males are getting tired of some expressing this 'fear', distrust' of all young black males. It is very similar to my miseducation to fear all white males. Young men have died because of an 'appearance' of a prevailing culture. Are judgements and opinions made on RACIAL appearances in this county/country?

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And yes DM, I know that some whites participate in it too. Don't worry, I dislike them with equal enthusiasm. Based on earlier conversations with you, I think you fail to grasp that - unlike race - culture is a CHOICE.

Really? There are many aspects to the development of culture or a culture.

the act of developing the intellectual and moral faculties especially by education

I think exposure to home training, education, adult role models is not always a CHOICE. But that's just my opinion.

Another BIG generalization -

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Lastly, I fear and distrust the hypocritical philosophy to which you and the Fayette NAACP subscribe.

The NAACP of Georgia (I'm sure at the prodding of the local NAACP) made a case against Districtwide voting in Fayette County - stating that the outcome was prejudicial to 'black' voters. (Precluded them from electing a minority to two governing bodies) I wonder why the legal counsel for the county didn't see this one coming. Georgia was under monitoring for Voting RIghts for all of its citizens since previous practices were deemed un-Constitutional. The Federal Judge found for the NAACP. The gerrymandering has been taken out of the hands of both the NAACP and Fayette County. I agree with this move. I am a lifetime member of the NAACP - and I am very proud of my membership. I have not spoken with anyone in the Fayette County NAACP or Georgia NAACP about this case. I have read insinuations in The Citizen that are not given as 'quotes' by the local NAACP organization - but certainly has raised anger and mistrust in the county. A Mr. Sullivan posted some time ago that if the 'black' community wanted a member on these governing bodies, there are proven methods of grooming a candidate, surveying the likelyhood of the candidates success, and taking steps to insure that candidates success.

Many citizens that I have spoken with have stated that they are tired of being called 'racist' because there is no minority on two governing bodies in Fayette County. I am a realist. It would be difficult for a Democrat to be elected to either body. There are 'black' Republicans in Fayette County. I have no knowledge of anyone of my race who would be interested in taking on the responsibility of serving on either body. I am a Democrat, but I'm sure , as has been stated here - there are 'black Republicans' who are qualified. I really don't ask the political affiliation of any of my friends, black or white. Since I don't see some of my friends at Democrat functions - it may be safe to assume they are Republicans. (black and white) Actually, I have friends of both races who would not attend either political party functions here in Fayette County.

I don't think statistics are 'pesky' if used appropriately. My father taught me that there are three LIES:
1. Little white lies
2. Big black lies
3. Statistics

Observation , experience and education usually gets one to the truth.

I did not see this as a 'homework' assignment - but you would have received an A! Very honestly and respectfully completed. :-)

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Now whites are victims?

This is classic DM. You see only blacks have a right to be victims in her mind. She tries so hard to make her points that she will try to limit/expand the discussion to fit her needs. She will call FayCo a “Bastion of white supremacy” one day and a great place for all races the next. She will make up her own statics one day, “most people want Obamacare” and tell you that the polls are inaccurate when you call her on it. She will then challenge you to refute her but you can only use the sources that she approves to do so. And as a last resort you will accuse you of being afraid. Challenge her to explain how district voting will improve FayCo without using race and she’ll call you immature, naïve, and childish. And lets not forget the race card.

In past discussions with her I’ve shown support for Herman Cain, Alan West and a couple of others. So she responds that these men are not black leaders. I submit to you that this may be problem number 1. But these men are not black enough I guess. It has to be a DM approved black man. Challenge the NAACP and she will try to distance the local chapter from the national NAACP. Bottom line is that she will go to any lengths to advance her racist agenda. You will never make a dent in that stone wall no matter how long you beat your head against it.

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Herman Cain, Alan West and a couple of others. So she responds that these men are not black leaders

Just for clarification - for the above are certainly 'black'! They are not leaders of the 'black' community. There are very few 'black' members of The Tea Party. We really need to do a better job of ignoring each other! :-)

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We really need to do a better job of ignoring each other! :-)

I could care less whether you ignore me or not.If I have something to say I'll say it. I used to try to treat you with a certain level of respect. But then you showed your true colors by misposting my words and name calling. I've seen your true nature. Martin Luther King said to judge people not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. That is what I'm trying to do.

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[ Bottom line is that she will go to any lengths to advance her racist agenda. You will never make a dent in that stone wall no matter how long you beat your head against it.

Exactly...how is this so hard for everyone to understand? What's one of the definitions of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

Responding to a totally bigoted poster over and over sort of fits that definition too.

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G35 and SilverStar

Nice job by both students! Early assessment would be that SS stuck to the stringent parameters of the assignment a little better. But then, you didn't have a lot of wiggle room there G35! She does love to frame the argument doesn't she? Seems to be a mindset of needing some advantages, maybe? I do think SS may have some problems though. You were both instructed to exclude blacks who commit crime. Then he goes right ahead and states that two of his black neighbors are criminals. Obviously points will be deducted there.

Good news for both of you is that she clearly stated "I will listen - and not respond to your answer - but learn from it". Where have I heard that before????

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Good news for both of you is that she clearly stated "I will listen - and not respond to your answer - but learn from it". Where have I heard that before????

I lied!!! It's too much fun to reply!! You certainly don't have to. Bye!

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Stop using slavery!

Jim Crow and false feeling of superiority because of the color of your skin based on ignorance is what minorities in this country are sick of! Stop painting all blacks as on welfare, thugs, having babies without benefit of marriage. Are all white men like the miscreants who killed a black man and then ran over him with their pick up last year? However, I appreciate learning about those who still harbor these feelings. If you are younger than the 'old' practices, please judge the minorities that you meet by their character, (And help out by refusing to buy drugs from blacks.). And make sure your children do not listen to or buy 'hip hop' music. ( these artists are not making millions from 'black' customers ) Thanks

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DM - I'd be happy to!

And I'd appreciate it if you'd admonish organizations like the NAACP to do the same!

Can you cite an example of when I painted ALL blacks as on welfare, thugs, etc? No? Yeah, I didn't think so.

As far as judging people based on character, I'm confident that I have ALWAYS done that. I have worked for blacks, I have worked with blacks, I have hired blacks, and I have trusted my life to blacks in life or death situations - many times.

In doing so, I've found that - as with any large group of people - you will have the good, the bad, and the average. There are MANY blacks who would earn my vote in a heartbeat because we share the same values and principles. Unlike the Fayette NAACP, I do not see race as a qualification (or disqualification) for office.

Having said all that, I would also appreciate not being automatically viewed as a racist because I'm a white guy. I am not the truck driving boogy-man your family warned you about, DM (that must have really scarred you). I and every other white American I know would honestly love to see a color-blind America. The irony is that our nation cannot be color-blind as long as organizations like the NAACP exist, because these groups force Americans to categorize others based on race. How sad.

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Thank you . I have no reason to doubt your words . The words of G 35 are the words I responded to. I read the NAACP's case. I'm sure the legal team for the county. is working on whether or not they will challenge the judges findings. There are obviously deeper feelings behind this issue than the possibility of a black being part of the county government structure. Some have stated that they didn't want a Democrat on either body. Throughout our country the political parties are gerrymandering districts to maintain or gain power. I may be mistaken, but I think Mr. Johnson in Fayetteville was listed as a Democrat. I know nothing of the local NAACP - but areas in our country where citizens have complained of not so subtle attempts to deny them opportunity to have a seat at the leadership table are being dealt with using the law. The fear and distrust in Fayette County, as expressed in this discussion is based on both race and political party in some instances. I was asked once if I knew any 'white' people. That question was an eye opener. Like you, I have not led a segregated existence. However, I also have never been in a situation where I was considered subordinate to a white person except here in the south many years ago. - because that was the law. The law and times have changed. There are evidently some people who feel the change has come too quickly. There are some people who have lost patience with waiting for 'hearts' to change and are using the law to expedite change. It is good to discuss feelings and concerns. IMO - it helps understanding. The best way to correct this problem is for Americans to realize the diversity of our country and respect one another. The only true natives are the Native Americans, the rest of us have an immigrant background .

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The words of G 35 are the words I responded to.

My post re slavery was posted 8/14/13 at 6:17pm. You responded to me on 8/14/13 at 6:10pm. That is 7 minutes before I posted. You are really good DM. LOL You were responding to Silverstar and are now afraid to accept responsibility for your words.

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Wed, 08/14/2013 - 10:22am

This is the post that elicited my response to you. But G35 - nobody cares! Have a great day!

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Wed, 08/14/2013 - 10:22am

This is the post that elicited my response to you. But G35 - nobody cares! Have a great day!

Where do I mention slavery in that one?

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G35 and Silverstar

I saw your homework assignments. That sucks that you have homework on a weekend!!! Back when I had homework, I tried to get started early Friday and hopefully have Saturday and Sunday free. Maybe that would work for you guys?

By the way, I didn't see any specifics in the assignment, but I believe you should shoot for 1500 words, double-spaced. Be diligent though, she has copies of your sources.

Good luck to you both!!!

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MOC-LOL

And I can't use statics, polls, or verifiable facts. Only those sources that she approved. LOL Oh well guess I better expect an "F" on this one!!!

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I have no reason not to accept responsibility for my words. If I post and want to take back my words, I can delete them. You have responded to me with negativity for several days - so pick whatever post you feel is appropriate. I take full responsibility for expressing my opinion - and why are you getting so upset because I do not agree with many of your opinions? (Rhetorica question - not really interested in the answer - LOL)

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Silverstar-Warning

Let me warn you about trying to discuss anything with DM. Just for an example look at my post above about the NAACP and race relations. I tried to point out what the NAACP is doing to race relations here in FayCo. Read her response to me below. You will see how she avoids the original point and tries to expand the the topic to welfare etc so that she can argue her point better. Get ready. She is a master at this and you will feel like you've been beating your head against the wall when she finally posts her last post of your discussion with a long "Can't we all just get along" post.

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Yeah, I've witnessed the DM Shuffle on many occasions. On 6/21, she lectured me on "the culture of slavery" when I questioned the relative merits of cultures (not races) in America. Tonight, she's demanding that we "stop using slavery." Interesting.

Here's some food for thought - DM is fond of pointing out that "the younger generation" is less racist/bigoted than previous ones. I think that's true; however, I wonder if those attitudes will survive decades of exposure to the blatant hypocrisy of people like DM. I wonder how she would feel, knowing that she and others like her were responsible for creating a new generation of Suggars, Joe Kawfis, and others whom she considers racists/bigots.

Also, in light of your astute observations, I think it's time for an addendum to my summary of DM's philosophy:

1) People should judge others solely on the content of their character, without regard for racial background; race-based discrimination is wrong.

2) Race-based discrimination is totally fine... if it happens to benefit people who look like DM.

3) There is no moral or logical problem with reconciling #1 and #2.

4) If you disagree with #3, it's because you fear minorities, think you are superior to them, and want to preserve "the ways of the past."

5) If you are losing an argument on facts, either change the topic or make some really vague, meaningless statements about people working together and living in racial harmony.

In my mind, I picture DM with a spreadsheet beside her computer. The top of the page reads, "White People on The Citizen." The left hand column is labeled "RACISTS!" and the right hand column says "One of the good ones."

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There are obviously several agendas at play here. But, improving race relations in Fayette County is decidedly not one of them. Those who believe it is, please report to lost and found. The reality train has left the station and you ain't on it.....

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Race Relations

In Fayette County among its citizens in public is 'role model' quality. Have you had a black person in FC blame you for anything? As one looks at the periodicals in our county, it is obvious that there are white and minorities that are working together and providing great activities for the younger generation. Stop with the generalizations . Blacks are guilty of generalizing also. If we treat one another as we want to be treated- that will be a start at improving race relations. How about improving human relations as we speak to one another?

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If you are correct - this is sad; for my experience here in Fayette County has not been anyway similar to my experience in 1981. The NAACP in Fayette County is not the national organization - but they have found how to get the Federal government to look at the practices of the election board in this county. This is happening not only in Fayette County. Changing of precincts, districtwide voting, gerrymandering are methods of how political parties maintain/gain power. Race is not always the issue. In Fayette County it appears to be. The NAACP still has reason to exist - and is growing in membership on the national level. I have no personal knowledge of the local NAACP or their history. I don't feel white people owe me anything but respect, based on my character and contribution to the community. Many persons , both black and white, are concerned regarding the broad brush that people in this discussion give both races. There are only 20% identified minorities in this county - so it is very possible that the majority here have very little contact with a minority. This is a sad reality and outcome of enforced segregation. Fear, distrust of the unknown is not uncommon. The 'game' you attribute to the NAACP is based on what reality? Federal/State programs for the undereducated; poor; are not only for 'black' people - since white people also receive assistance from these programs. Would you feel better if 'black' people were excluded from these programs - or would you feel that all those who take illegal advantage of these programs through fraud should be excluded ( including whites)?

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NAACP....gag

I started to spend a good bit of time composing a point-by-point rebuttal and then wisely decided it wasn't worth the effort. There are so many bigoted and hopelessly ignorant and illogical opinions in the NAACP missive that I just said, WHY?

When you start talking garbage about electing "one of your own" and all the past injustices and grievances along with incessant whining, why bother responding? It's not like you're going to convince a zealot with an obvious lack of education and very minimal critical thinking of an alternative viewpoint.

I will give Mr. Jones credit for one thing: he's become a little wiser politically. Before, it was "we must elect a BLACK PERSON!!!" Now, it's we must elect a "progressive" from this north Fayette district, even if they aren't black! That's quite a leap from before now when all Jones and the NAACP had to say was a black person must be elected in north Fayette and that was the ONLY thing that mattered.

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but you can't expect to keep up a one sided attack can you? You can't be that nuts. People are sick of little thugs attacking their children. People are sick of the NAACP making outrageous demands. Only you would think of a race war. That is your mentality. People will not keep putting up with this.

I posed a question to you some time ago and you never answered. I imagine it put you in shock. When are you and your group going to 'give back' so to speak? Start doing nice things for whitie for all the good things we have done for you?

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I do not live in a segregated world. The Good I do is for more than just one group of Americans. I have been privileged to go to school with diverse Americans; work with diverse Americans. This appears to be 'strange' to you, My family has contributed to this country since the 1700's. Now, who are you saying I need to 'give back' to? In my world, 'whitie' is not separate from other Americans. In California, there were 'whites' who worked with the NAACP; in Tenneesee, there were 'whites' who marched for Civil RIghts; there are 'whites' who attend my church; there are 'whites' who attend the political party meetings; etc., etc., etc. I am sorry that your world is still 'segregated. I guess that is possible here in Fayette County. I have not attacked 'whites' here since I realized in 2006 that Fayette County is not the same county that I visited when I was 11 - or when my son attended school in Georgia in 1981. However, you are not doing the conservative Republicans here WHO ARE NOT RACIST any favors with your constant attack and denigration of the 'black' race.

There was a time when the denigration,distrust, and fear was prevalent on both sides of the racial issue. - and it appears we are returning to this era of distrust. MLK preached to 'blacks' that hate and the threat of violence does not work - when seeking harmony in America. There are 'black' people who also spew hate towards those who are different. Many leaders and preachers who happen to be 'white' have done the same. There was a time - recent - when I expressed fear of all white men who drove pick-up trucks due to experiences that I had and had been exposed to by members of my family. I have been exposed to hateful 'white' thugs. I have been exposed to ignorance and disrespect because of the color of my skin. . .but this is 2013. Americans will always disagree on issues - religion, political, ideology, etc. - that is the American/human way. BUT IT IS TIME TO HEAL THIS RACIAL PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY. The majority of the citizens of the world are not 'white' - and our children are going to be exposed and interact with the global community. They truly, in order to be successful, will have to be able to judge humans by their character rather than the color of their skin.

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"I posed a question to you

"I posed a question to you some time ago and you never answered. I imagine it put you in shock. When are you and your group going to 'give back' so to speak? Start doing nice things for whitie for all the good things we have done for you?"

What I'm trying to ask is when are you going to take responsibility for your present/prior/ and future actions? When are YOU as a group going to take responsibility for the fact that a lot of your young grow up to be thugs and gangstas? They kill little white kids, and that's ok, just don't kill your little Trayvons or you will take to the streets and riot. When are you going to go to your own and tell them it is wrong to keep having babies they can't feed and the gov has to?

Just how many gov programs and gov giveaways and being put at the head of the line for 50-60 years going to be enough? Have you no shame at all? Don't you realize that when you demand that you be given specials deals (little ole voting districts of your own) that you are saying you don't have the intelligence, dignity, or stamina to get it on your own? By your actions, Sharpton's, Jackson's, and the NAACP, you validate the mind set you can't make it on your own. Thus far, what you have been given training wheels to run, DeKalb, S Fulton, Clayton...not one success story yet. Might it just be a little harder to straighten the messes you made of those fine counties and the school system BEFORE you demanded the RIGHT to ruin this one in another little experiment?

Nuk is right, why even respond.

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Thus far, what you have been given training wheels to run, DeKalb, S Fulton, Clayton

In the early days of integration in Georgia, there were white and black leaders who realized that Atlanta was the hub and power house of Georgia. They worked together to bring the two communities together to keep Atlanta powerful . Other communities did not benefit from this leadership, there was massive white exit, etc. Today, Atlanta attracts business and an integrated middle and upper class citizenry, (Atlanta also has an integrated poor community). The attitude that the other counties were 'given' to blacks for training wheels is destructive to any so- called desire for harmony.. I was told that I was dealing with male testosterone on this site. I think in some cases it's more like arrogance based on gender and skin color.. Testosterone is really not a bad thing!

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suggarfoot, Thank You

You just said what we all are thinking and asking ourselves, when is enough enough?