In defense of the Fayette NAACP

Despite numerous false accusations lobbed at the NAACP in the media, this historic organization can only be accurately labeled as a true champion of equality, justice, diversity and inclusion.

In the early 1950s, the NAACP filed the landmark case known as Brown vs. The Board of Education and won. As a result, white and black children all over the South were required to attend the same schools like I did beginning in 1970 in Americus, Ga.

Wherever there is unlawful discrimination taking place, the NAACP has an obligation to first seek voluntary changes to eliminate discrimination which we did in Fayette County.

Several years ago, I personally appeared before the Fayette County Commission and asked them to voluntarily switch to district voting. The commissioners all looked at me as if I was crazy and promptly ignored my request and numerous other appeals for district voting.

Efforts to get district voting through the legislature were also thwarted.

So if there is no conspiracy to keep people of color off the county commission and school board, why vehemently resist changing to district voting?

It is a verifiable fact that historically to some degree or another, black people in America have systemically been wrongfully abused, used, discriminated against, neglected and exploited ever since we set foot on American soil.

Yet as Americans, we brave black folks are the ones who must constantly challenge America to live up to its promise of liberty and justice for all.

So with discrimination still being a constant reality more often than not, we find that people in control of Fayette County government have refused to voluntarily do anything to eliminate racial discrimination in Fayette County elections.

So what did you expect the NAACP to do? Did you expect the NAACP to continue to allow the votes of black residents to be diluted?

Did you really expect us to sit back and allow an all-white county commission and school board to continue making policy and decisions without any input from us?

Did you expect us to forgo seeking a court remedy that would give us the opportunity to elect the candidate of our choice?

If the federal judge orders a special election, you can thank all those Fayette County leaders who repeatedly dismissed the call to voluntarily change to district voting.

But thanks to the federal justice system and district voting, Fayette County now has a golden opportunity to finally embrace diversity and inclusion by bringing fairness to government and unity to our community.

As a very proud American citizen who served my country in the military for decades, I fully expect my vote for a county commission or school board candidate to count.

But with at-large voting, it has been proven that my vote and the votes of the black residents in north Fayette County are illegally diluted by a biased group of voters in other parts of the county who have statistically proven that they historically prefer any white candidate over a black candidate.

Thus, the Voting Rights Act and Judge Batten’s 81-page decision in favor of district voting gives me the expectation that we in north Fayette County will soon be able to elect the candidate of our choice, whether that candidate be black, white or otherwise.

Furthermore, shouldn’t there be people of color on the county commission and school board if we are to have diversity and inclusion in government? What is divisive about that?

And if our county leaders were color-blind, wouldn’t they be able to understand that district voting is the fairest way to elect county commissioners and school board members?

Honestly, I do not expect to get those who hate or attack the NAACP to agree with me. As a matter of fact, I full expect to be attacked, cursed and put down. Why?

Because there are a few hateful vocal minority of selfish people who really expect black people to be quiet and stay in our place.

Like vocal white supremacists of the Jim Crow era, they have no respect for the NAACP, outspoken civil rights activists and people of color in general because they expect blacks to be subservient, pay our taxes, cut our grass and be content to let white people make all of the decisions that affect us, our children and our communities.

But somewhere I heard Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. tell Negroes to straighten up our backs because nobody can ride your back when you stand upright.

So call us uppity or upright if you will. That is the charge we have from that great black leader with an amazing dream.

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the historic March on Washington, thousands of black Americans are reviving the spirit of activism that moved us to change things for the better.

Nevertheless, not all black people in Fayette County are willing to stand upright or associate with the NAACP because they may be too scared, apathetic or have been conditioned to not make waves or duped into conforming to the expectation that blacks should stay in our place and be subservient.

But the NAACP owes it to any person of color to show everybody that standing up for our civil rights is not only our duty and obligation, it is the only way we will ever gain the dignity and respect we deserve as real Americans.

So I call upon people of all races to join the NAACP as we fulfill Dr. King’s dream of loving everybody, even those who do not love us or what we do to make this world better.

So what can you expect from the NAACP in the future years to come? Expect the NAACP to continue bringing people of all races together to challenge racism wherever it exists.

The NAACP boldly aims to lovingly help those who are blind to racism because like many of our vocal NAACP-bashing citizens, they are blind to racism because they are not affected by it.

And because racism and discrimination has become so underhanded, sneaky and hidden in some cases, it’s us up to the NAACP to expose racism for all to see, because no else will. That’s what the NAACP has done for over 100 years.

What else can you expect? Expect that most blacks in Fayette County and those to come will try our very best to improve on what is already a great place to live and raise a family.

So, expect thousands of progressive blacks to migrate to Fayette County because we value the great education system here. We blacks have become very fond of getting a good education because education was once something that our enslaved ancestors were forbidden to get and maliciously deprived of, for centuries.

Most of all, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Fayette County soon becomes a county with a progressive majority/minority population. And I expect that district voting will allow white voters in a majority/majority district to elect the candidate of their choice, whether that candidate is black, white or otherwise.

John E. Jones
Fayetteville, Ga.

[Jones is the president of the Fayette County Branch of the NAACP. The local organization’s website is http://www.fcnaacp.org.]

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leadership in our school system when

the NAACP and their bunch get in in control...what we can look forward too. This is what they did to DeKalb schools! What leadership!
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/former-principal-reveals-details-of-g...

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a real sperm bank
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Yes sir

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This is being shared
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you never quit do you?

"One Easy Thing All White People Could Do That Would Make The World A Better Place"

That is your problem....your idea is what 'WHITES COULD DO TO MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE'

You are always looking at what whitie could do to make it better for you. How bout what YOU could do to make it better for YOURSELF and whitie/

Now that really twist your mind doesn't it? You never want to take the INITIATIVE to do anything for yourself. You are pathetic!!!!!!

There IS a big difference. We are the do ers.... you are the whiners and the do it for ME group.

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An answer for those who cannot accept Americans of another color

This is what some 'blacks' have done :

1. Founded businesses that have proven successful for many yearss. (In spite of segregation)
2. Joined other Americans in overcoming a practice of apartheid.
3. Lost sons, fathers, and daughters along with other Americans in war since the American Revolution.
4. In situations where Americans were not separated, worked alongside fellow Americans in all endeavors to keep America productive and free.
5. The list could go on and on.

This is what a very few 'whites' do today:
1. Continually whine because they feel that because 'minorities ' and women gained equality in the eyes of the law, their (whites) power has been diminished.
2. Continually denigrate the 'black' race with negative comments. (And post statements that infer that 'whites' have no negative aspects of character.)
3. Assume that if a minority or a woman achieves today, it is only because of Affirmative Action.

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Now that really twist your mind doesn't it? You never want to take the INITIATIVE to do anything for yourself. You are pathetic!!!!!!

There IS a big difference. We are the do ers.... you are the whiners and the do it for ME group.

The above statement is pathetic.
I joined others not too long ago on 'missions' to help Americans in Appalachia, Alabama, New York , and California. There are Americans of all colors who are undereducated and poor. These are the Americans that some try to hide - but in today's world, and modern technology, they are no longer 'hidden'. People of character and moral fiber are the doers in our country.
It is apparent that whiners come in all colors. There was a documentary on television a few years back that showed our undereducated, neglected poor - of all races. Our current news programs and movies show that Americans of all colors can work hard and achieve the American dream. . . And Americans of all colors have achieved.

We all, regardless of color, need to speak out against ignorant actions towards our fellow Americans that appear to be based on prejudice.

Thanks to those of you for giving me the opportunity to express an opposite view to your 'Americanism'.

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Suggarfoot

There are a great many Americans of color who have surpassed humans like you. Many Americans are constantly pointing out the 'cooperation' that has existed in this country among the majority of Americans, regardless of color.. This day, Americans throughout our country are remembering how far we have come since MLK's speech in DC. White privilege still exists, and many friends and family members are doing exactly what has been demonstrated in the video. Suggarfoot, please share with us what is being done to correct the poverty in Appalacihia and other poor white communities in our country. Maybe the folks in FC are not aware of these areas in our country. We would all learn from your wisdom and expertise regarding the success of 'cleaning up ' poor white communities - without using government programs. Looking forward to your contribution. Thanks.

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I lived in West Virginia Dm...

...and one thing I can tell you is 99% of those there do not believe they live in poverty.. They may be dirt poor BUT they have something you and others like you will never have.

A Sense of PERSONAL RESPONCIBILITY.

They Farm, grow their own food and yes wear hand me downs and they are fine with that..

Black privilege exist too DM it is called Affirmative Action aka QUOTAS... Are you OK with that?

Oh btw- Authors self description...

Upworthy wrote:

A Bay Area born-and-raised left-leaning Berkeley hippie, Oakland raider, Hennessy drinking, pessimistic optimist, compulsive ranter and over-thinker. I write plays, poems, songs and stories, hoping to provoke conversations. In short, working to keep worthy art and ideas in rotation. I have my OWN, and curate to support, spread and encourage the ideas of others. Merchant of Empathy, Upworthy is the marketplace.

Yep I am sure to take life advise from this guy...

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Government help to Appalachia

Read this. This type of assistance is also offered to many urban areas populated by people of color.

http://www.arc.gov/

Helping the poor and undereducated is not limited by 'race'. The changing of these 'cultures' is not easy.

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DM keeps digging the

DM keeps digging the Appalachian people cause he thinks I'm from there due to my reference to "Over the Mountain Men". What he doesn't realize is those were people from as far away as Tenn. Their descendants are all over the US and contain more than a few presidents. For someone who says he was a teacher he is very ignorant of history.

What I've seen of the Appalachian people is as you say, very proud, and independent. That independence and pride is what makes them different. They never grew up looking for handouts. It is all about upbringing and breeding. DM is highlighting that and he doesn't realize it.

What I have tried to point out to him over and over is that the rest of us are what we are because of that pride in our TRYING. Maybe we don't all make it, but it is a hell of a journey and all proud of their accomplishments.

DM wallows in pity, proof that it does no good to reason with him is that latest BS about what whitie could do to make it right. He never thinks of taking the initiative, it always has to be whitie trying to better serve him in his eyes.

That is where the problem comes in and that is why we don't respect people like DM. A clash of two very different cultures.

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I have no clue why you continue feed the internet troll

Stupid is as stupid does.

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Trying not to......

.... but it is sometimes hard not to respond to ridiculous statements.

SF there will always be those that use race or class to divide us. All you have to do is look to our President.

It is in their best interest to keep us that way...

It is like the Stand Your Ground protest in Atlanta yesterday... They are calling it Trayvon's Law. They want it repealed.

EVEN THOUGH IT WAS NOT USED as part of the defense.

Funny how according to the FBI of the cases using SYG as a defense 83% were BLACK. So a repeal would hurt Blacks more then Whites...but yet they march.

Truly Lemmings being led to the cliff and they don't care.

BTW... it is a Liberal/Progressive thing because a lot of White people were in that crowd so...

Stupidity is indeed contagious

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Don't feed the DELETED

It feeds off of attention. Stop feeding it.

This poster has been banned for violating our terms of service.

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suggarfoot - Sweetie

Please quit feeding that troll, it just get's nastier and nastier in it's truly pathetic attempts to garner attention and deal with it's own (significant) racial insecurities.

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someone else posted this

I read it and it is scary!

Needless to say, there can't be much to the background checks for Homeland Security!

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/57391
and
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/22/ayo-kimathi_n_3794900.html

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After you are done mowing your lawn, would you mind driving on over and clipping my yard as well?

Thanks Bunches
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Missing the Racism Forest for the Trees

Good watch given the current climate in our County!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2NYzl0HY1Y&feature=youtu.be

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Excellent video and it makes an excellent point. Most blacks do expect all other blacks to toe the line. Those that actually think for themselves aren't really black.

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World War II beaten to death by 2 blacks for no reason
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where is Obama on the Aussie?
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Sugar, guess Obama is not responding to the Aussie killing or to

the senseless killing of 80+ year old vet, little baby in stroller, etc., because they don't look like him or could be his child, like Treyvon.

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The content of character

The content of character is severely lacking in the colored population.

73% out-of-wedlock births
50% drop-out rate (because doing good in school makes you look too white)
Absentee fathers/mothers
Degredation of the family unit
The thug-rap culture that glorifies crime and violence

All of these factors and more contribute to the problems in the colored community. It's not whitey's fault, no matter what the hate-mongering racebaiters obama, holder, sharpton, and jackson say.

Then there's the war on white people that the race baiters obama, holder, sharpton, jackson, and many otheres in the colored community have promoted:

DHS employee spends spare time promoting race war against 'whites'
Racist tweets: '90% of white ppl are nasty. #HATE THEM'...
'Interracial violence is overwhelmingly black-on-white'
Black mobs routinely terrorize cities across the country, but the media and government are silent. Read the detailed account of rampant racial crime in “White Girl Bleed a Lot: The Return of Race Riots to America”

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The content of a black man's character -checking all the boxes

So if a Black man marries and maintains a stable relationship with his wife, strongly upholds the family unit, fathers and supports two children, finishes college at Columbia and Harvard Law School, steers clear of all criminal activity, pays his taxes, and holds a steady job, he is...(drum roll here)...the worst person of character that ever lived.

I love your consistency Joe. Truth is always stranger than fiction.

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the article he pointed

out is just the opposite of what you are saying. He never attacked someone like you...quite the opposite.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/dead-souls-of-a-cultural-revolution/

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Not about Black or White it's about "Progressive"

I don't care if the candidate is white or black but am offended by the need of the NAACP to shove their progressive agenda down our throats. Most of us in Fayette County are not for more government and more programs. We want to be able to succeed based on our ability and want to share our bounty based on folks we feel are worth helping. We do not want to have our hard earned money pulled from our hands and paid out to government bureaucrats and others who milk the system.

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national news in Australia but we treat it as no big deal

http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/20/black-teens-murder-white-australian-jo...

the former prim cautioned people of other countries not come here because of crime (really our tolerance for this type of behavior)

When does this end? I think the rest of the world is somewhat disgusted with our "tolerance" of thugs. This isn't a little 'purple drank' Trayvon who attacked a man he thought was unarmed. This was a nice, clean cut, kid, going to college, doing his best to make the most of the life God gave him, the hard way....working for it, working for every thing that came his way. Look what we let happen to him with our "tolerance"

Sharpton and Jones, NAACP...where are you? As Fox news said this morning of Obama after his pity party of Trayvon could have been his...what about this child?....crickets...!

People are sick of this....and this US attitude toward this is a mockery to our ancestors who fought, died, and built....something else!

The people of Australia know something MORE about slavery...after the English couldn't make this a penal colony after 1783... all their life prisoners...were sent to Austrial....they never got all the hand out/charity/guilt...that the blacks and politicians spoon fed the whites here. EVERYTHING THE AUSSIES GOT...THEY EARNED IT THE OLD FASHIONED WAY...THEY WORKED FOR IT. NO WONDER THEY ARE TOTALY DISGUSTED WITH THE TOTAL BS WE ARE BRAINWASHED WITH. Thank God they don't want to come here ....someone call the US politician's and the NAACP's hand on the lunacy!

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I'm sure the Aussies are as disgusted as am I

There is no reason at all for this senseless mayhem. I know an Aussie well and have spent time with him Down Under. He is as astounded at our gun freedoms as we are at his allegiance to the Queen of England. No one in the civilized world understands why guns are so abundant and menacing in the USA.

I hope they grill the perps on this one.

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This case

And others where there is suspicion of the mental health of the suspects makes one wonder why the delay in providing more mental health education and services in this country? These suspects and the miscreants who killed that innocent baby will go to prison where, as far as I know, will receive no help with their complete lack of human caring. I agree that people kill people, but we seem more concerned with the weapons that sick people use than with dealing with the sickness of these killers. Why do we wait until these persons manifest their illness!! Believe me, knowledgeable parents and educators see these symptoms early. Some may be beyond help - but some should get specialized care before their illness is responsible for tragedy.

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"our gun freedoms ?"

This isn't about gun freedom/gun control. This man wasn't shot in the woods by hunters....he was shot by little black thugs. Australia doesn't want us boycotted about gun control, they want us boycotted because of our irresponsible tolerance, and over abundance of thugs!

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Obviously, You've never been to Australia

When visiting Australia, the Aussies regularly peppered me with questions about our lax gun control laws. They (very nicely mind you) called us fools for not restricting firearms to the levels they see as rudimentary. This may be about thugs to you, but it will clearly be about guns to the Australians.

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When visiting Australia, the Aussies regularly peppered me with questions about our lax gun control laws. They (very nicely mind you) called us fools for not restricting firearms to the levels they see as rudimentary. This may be about thugs to you, but it will clearly be about guns to the Australians.

The Aussies that I know are very upset with their government over their gun control. They believe in the right of law abiding citizens to have weapons.

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Interesting that you have had this experience. Perhaps the Aussies are divided, and I just happen to be in the company of one side. I can tell you that my good friend in Brisbane (we visit back and forth) is unequivocal in his opinion that our lack of gun laws spawns considerable misery.

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I'm sure that in a country that large there will be many people that both support and oppose gun control. Just as there is here.

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Australians

Been there and don't recall hearing that viewpoint. However, keep in mind that Australians are similar to the British in that if the government says jump they ask how high.

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He was shot by by three

He was shot by by three American thugs.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/21/police-say-teen-shot-australian-stu...

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"He went by a residence where these three boys were, they picked him as a target, they went out and got in a vehicle and followed him," Ford told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, according to AFP.
"[They] came up from behind and basically shot him in the back with a small caliber weapon, then sped away," Ford added.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/21/police-say-teen-shot-australian-stu...

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Oh, and by the way....

It is being reported that one of these thugs may have been posting some racist tweets. Now, we all know that only whitey can really be racist, but here they supposedly were:

"90% of white ppl are nasty. #HATE THEM."

"Ayeee I knocced out 5 woods since Zimmerman court!:)lol $#!^ ima keep sleepin $#!^! " (profanity overwritten)

Apparently "woods" is used as a derogatory term for whitey. Also apparently, this thug didn't win the recent spelling bee either.....

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Despite current definitions

To most people, anyone who finds it necessary to constantly denigrate a race of people is considered racist. Since the Civil Rights movement , the black community realizes that in the US not all white people are racists.

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Interesting
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Since the Civil Rights movement , the black community realizes that in the US not all white people are racists.

So prior to the Civil Rights movement, the black community thought all white people in the US were racist? Wonder why precious few are offended when called racist today?????

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MOC, don't waste your time. You know it is an exercise in

futility and it just gives credence to anything that is said that would otherwise be ignored. Even tho' this person doesn't need anyone to read or respond as they are satisfied just seeing their own words in print. Sort of like someone talking to themselves because no one else will listen to them.

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To be completely honest, I was ignoring her until a few weeks back when she posted that low-class, personal attack on you. I laugh at what the old fool says to me, but that was over the top and intensely mean-spirited. At least it got deleted.

Anyway, I hear your points too. Thanks!

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MOC, I didn't see what 'she' posted, but probably would have

gotten a good laugh out of it. Guess for a few minutes her true self got the better of her and the goody goody facade dropped; then she realized what she had done and/or else the 'handlers' got to her and made her delete it. Believe me I would be more concerned if she had nice things to say about me. I have gotten to the point that I read her posts for my daily laugh. I wish someone would go back to her very first post and print all of them just so we could see just how many times she has played that racist card. I'm kinda glad she is here, sorta makes up for losing Bonkers.

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Glad you didn't see it, but I'm not sure you would have laughed.

Notice how she excused herself: "....when poster realized she had been as nasty and mean as other posters." Apparently her defenders on here fall for that routine. In other words, I don't normally get in the gutter and realized maybe I had then. Well, it was not like the typical name-calling that occurs here at times.

Let's just say I don't think her old confidant and protector Kevin would have approved and leave it at that.

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Deleted post was deleted

By poster when poster realized she had been as nasty and mean as other posters. Sometimes it's difficult not to become as low as the vermin Major Mike refers to. Interesting that there are a very few here who seemingly refuse to believe that there are minorities who have the same American values as the so-called majority. This fringe group is giving the conservatives in the south a bad name. Keep talking. 2014 is approaching.

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I've got to tell you....
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This fringe group is giving the conservatives in the south a bad name. Keep talking. 2014 is approaching.

You'd be doing me a big solid by stopping that talk. You done got me skerred.....

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MOC, now I am worried--2014? Doomsday? Armageddon?

Should I be hoarding water and MRE's and having a bomb shelter dug in my back yard?--now would be an ideal time--with all this rain the soil will be easy to move. Must remember not to make any long-range plans or renew any subsctiptions for next year.

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I think 2014 is the year of the horse. I know the Winter Olympics occur and there is supposed to be an annular solar eclipse. But no, I think it is way more sinister than that. I think she might be referring to the mid-term elections.

Hmmmm, maybe hoarding water, MRE's and a bomb shelter aren't such a bad idea.....

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meanoldconservatives - respectfully

Respectfully sir, please don't feed the "resident racist" troll.

Past that, your point is well made.

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I guess the easiest way to explain it is like when you see a wrinkled-up, old, gray mouse in your garage. It doesn't really do anything destructive, just eats your old newspapers and leaves LOTS OF DROPPINGS everywhere. You trap it, you wound it, and then you just play with it a while. Eventually you get bored with it, since it is not able to put up a decent fight. Pretty much sums it up....

Respectfully heard and noted though!

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meanoldconservatives - follow that analogy

Follow that truly excellent analogy through to it's logical end point. Since the dawn of man, rats, mice, and other vermin have been the ever present scourge of any civilized human gathering. Their parasites and droppings have been responsible for every known plaque and wave of pestilence in recorded history. It appears that little has changed.

It matters not that many/most ignore her racists ramblings, racist accusations, twisting of others words to suit her pathetic racial agenda, hate attacks on her betters, and the general spewing of racial and social hatred, it's what she is! It's what she does!

That pretty much lends a new and socially valid definition of vermin, doesn't it? Her current ravings all appear due to the fact that she got "tossed" into a "room full of mirrors". She takes the current social phrase "race whore" (which has been around for decades)and immediately attempts to morph it into the single word "whore" with sexual connotations and complete with inferences that the "men" in her family are gonna get me. She similarly tries to turn "internet troll" (shortened to Troll) into something other that what it is. What is amusing is that in all instances she is truly defined by her protestations and hate spew. Sorta brings Shakespeare to mind, doesn't it?

I watched with amusement as the true libs (in this blog) took to the hills. The few weaker minded ones that have attempted to echo her cries of victimization have not received much sympathy. Keeping that thought in mind - I love a party!!

LET THE PITY PARTY BEGIN!!

salute'

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moc's point

is based on bigoted ignorance. Keep posting your insistence on keeping another point of view from being expressed - and the more I'll express it!! Doesn't your head hurt yet? LOL

However - keep sharing. The more you share, the more bigoted you appear.

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Moc

You are twisted. Is it really that difficult for you to accept that there are more whites and minorities that 'get along' than those like you who try so hard to create division based on race? Again, most Americans relate to each other today based on actions rather than color of skin.

The 'whites' in the south by law treated Negroes as non- citizens. Many 'whites' joined the movement to change this legal practice. Moc, has your understanding of history made this so difficult for you to understand? Obviously whites and blacks have gotten along in this country since before the 1700's. It's legal rights that became an issue that involved racist actions.

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DM - Well said

Well said DM, the only thing I would add is many minorities don't just get along, they are actually friends and spouses, this is a sea change from the way things use to be nationally. It's not just the South that has changed or don't you recall the riots in the North like Boston and parts of NY during desegregation. No DM, this was not a exclusively Southern thing, it was and is a national thing.

We will never have perfection on race relations but we can always strive to have it, that's what Jesus would do. We can start by getting our government out of race based "equality" laws that benefit a few at the expense of the many. It only feeds strife and envy between the races. Let's rise up based on the content of character rather than the color of skin. Let's just make sure we have the Constitution that protects our rights, that's all we need. It certainly worked in the 1950's and 60's.

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We can start by getting our government out of race based "equality" laws that benefit a few at the expense of the many. It only feeds strife and envy between the races. Let's rise up based on the content of character rather than the color of skin.

There are some who are studying the reconciliation efforts made by DeKlerk and Mandela in South Africa regarding the 'end of apartheid' and comparing it to the steps taken here in the US in 'ending segregation'. You are right about the strife and envy between the races - and just wondering if any different approach in the ending of segregation would have produced the 'healing' that was MLK's dream? As the demographics of our country changes - those who benefited from segregation (in the minds of some) are no longer the 'majority' when compared to races other than 'white', religions other than Christian, and women. The humans of the aforementioned demographic have benefitted, IMO, from 'equality' laws and IMO are not among the 'few'. The striving that is exhibited by persons like you is very beneficial towards reaching the goal. As has been said, people of all colors and beliefs can have differing attitudes regarding many, many things - but as Americans, should not be judged on the COLOR OF THIER SKIN. Some here have been so accustomed to making generalized statements regarding race (and I certainly include myself among that group) that we don't realize how those statements offend others. I appreciate being made aware of the offensiveness of those generalizations - and by sharing honestly with respect and civility, we learn how to communicate with one another as Americans - with different views.

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but as Americans, should not be judged on the COLOR OF THIER SKIN.

I agree totally but this is an argument against the NAACP. So many circular arguments!

We have a national association devoted to advancing the cause of those with darker colored skin over those who's skin is lighter colored. That sounds so ridiculous today but it is true.

Does this organization need to continue to judge folks based upon skin color to counter balance the folks who judge folks based upon a different skin color? Wouldn't it be great if they dropped skin color all together from their mantra and held to the ideals of equality and equal opportunity? Yes it would. But they're so far into the skin game that they're even going house to house to find out the skin color of voters in order to put together a district solely based upon skin color.

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How true

NAACP is obsolete and racist

"We have a national association devoted to advancing the cause of those with darker colored skin over those who's skin is lighter colored. That sounds so ridiculous today but it is true. "

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dm

how were you able to email me I do not find a way to respond to your email.

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Pumpkin

Your email was available on your avator. I don't have mine available , for obvious reasons. LOL. Would love to speak with you privately. We'll figure something out!

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We agree on all points except this:

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Let's just make sure we have the Constitution that protects our rights, that's all we need. It certainly worked in the 1950's and 60's.

The Civil RIghts movement began because the Constitution was NOT BEING FOLLOWED in the 50's and 60's. I remember that part of that period of time as pleasant and peaceful - in Los Angeles attending integrated schools, living in an integrated community and having friends of all races. What ever barriers were there baring my opportunity for advancement in future endeavors, my parents and their friends were addressing. We were protected from 'racial' inequality. I was enjoying the felt poodle skirts, white buck shoes, etc., etc., etc. My parents wanted me to know the reality of other parts of the country - so when I was 11, we traveled by car through the 'south'. It was the most beautiful country that I had seen - but I was scared to death. I was most grateful to return to LA and my very sheltered life. Then the 1965 Riot erupted - and brought some huge realities to the forefront. I was an adult who had already dealt with prejudice in the workplace regarding race and gender. . . .and most grateful to my parents and grandparents generations who had taken steps that assured that I had more opportunities than they had. Most people (Americans) are like you - and want Americans to live up to the words of our Constitution - and we have certainly come a long way since 1776.

My father was a racist - in that he taught me that I was better than 'white' people. Bless him, this was his way of trying to protect me from how certain Americans would 'see' me because of the color of my skin. The teachings of MLK were more like the teachings of my mother and other members of my family. No one will ever be able to tell me that all 'white' people are evil, brutal, or hate all 'black's'. That teaching does exist in the 'black' community - just as that racist thought is expressed in the 'white' community against all 'blacks' (As exhibited in some of the postings here). The wonderful 'truth' is that the majority - (all that I have met) of whites in Fayette County treat others as they would want to be treated. The commandment, Love your neighbor as yourself - is practiced here in FC. Thanks for sharing.

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Alas - DM

it is posts like these that make taking you seriously, very difficult. On the other hand, knowing that your father was a racist is not so surprising given your constant drum about "the races", which only means the white and black races I suppose.

Can't you think outside the subject of race DM? Don't you have any ideas that aren't connected to this subject.

Anyway, have a nice Sunday, it should be a pretty day weather wise.

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I apologize!

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Let's just make sure we have the Constitution that protects our rights, that's all we need. It certainly worked in the 1950's and 60's.

The Constitution did work during this most turbulent time!! So I agree. To imagine that anyone lived through this era without some vestiges of racist feelings is difficult. My dad was born in 1914, and witnessed some awful 'stuff' that he wanted to protect me from. He did! But I was an adult in the 60's. Thank heavens for nonviolence and The Constitution. I am enjoying the day - and the only time I'm involved in this 'subject' is when I take a break to see what's going on with the water in FC.

It's been great seeing the blue sky!

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Equal opportunity.. Equal Protection under the Law...

...That is what it is SUPPOSED to be but sadly that is not the reality.

Too many special interest groups want to use the Sins of the past for the benefits of Government.
Welfare, Food Stamps, ADC, WIC are but just a few of those "benefits".

A recent report found that in many States the programs add up to as much as $15 dollars a hour or even more,
more then a entry level Office Assistant or Police Officer.

So where is the incentive to be any thing other then a Government paid leach?

The First step that must be taken is personal responcibility. Everyone must be held accountable for their actions and stop allowing the Race hucksters to forment disharmony in America.

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Everyone needs to get real

I am really offended by the "troll" and "whore" references. I don't agree with DM on many issues but guys this is ridiculous! I think that DM is overly sensitive on racial issues and often disagree with her on political issues.
You gentlemen are not gentlemen and political discussion is not about name calling and instead about intellegent sharing of ideas and opinions. You feed the notion that those who fight the NAACP are racist idiots and the TROLLS. Please keep the discussion civil which benefits everyone.

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MOC, I think DM's replies to the statement you made to Major

Mike explains just what objection people have to her posts. I agree with you that the word 'whore' is objectionable--but as explained, troll refers to someone trolling through the blogs--not to someone's physicality. All anyone has to do is read back through DM's blogs to see that she always manages to turn any statement by anyone into something to do with race. Then she always manages to turn it into what I have always called a left-handed compliment-- saying she is all for racial harmony and how wonderful her experience in Fayetteville has been when earlier she was trouncing these same people as being racist red necks. I have concluded she is either a paid blogger whose purpose is to keep the race issue in the forefront or she has a vivid imagination and uses this forum to expand it. Either way, I feel not responding to her is the easiest path to take; it may not change anything with her posting but at least we are not playing into it.

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I don't think

there is anyone here she hasn't called a racist. G35 was the most recent. He tried to be nice to her and the minute it wasn't going her way, he too was a racist.

Besides, you have no idea if it is an elderly woman, or 3 guys in the crips or bloods! No one has any knowledge of who/what they are talking to.

The only thing anyone knows for sure is that he/she likes to instigate and cause friction in an underhanded way. He/she does that day in day out, year in year out. It is the ONLY thing he/she can be counted on to do.

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The only thing anyone knows for sure is that he/she likes to instigate and cause friction in an underhanded way. He/she does that day in day out, year in year out. It is the ONLY thing he/she can be counted on to do.

I think you might be referring to Mr. Kawfi. DM has never called me a racist and she and I are definitely not on the same side of all issues. There are a LOT of people on here who like to be annoying and get DM wound up. She has every right to be here and say what she wishes as much you have the right to not respond. What is not ok is people name calling and picking on people.

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RKS, I think if you check back you will find that Sugarfoot

referred to G35 being called a racist, not you.

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I never saw where anyone said she had no right to be here

Thats for sure.

I just choose not to feed the troll.

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RKS..not ...racist by DM's standards?

Then you are in a club of one. I have watched her call most everyone on here a racist. And not nicely. You have pity for someone or something that you don't even know its gender.

I think Kawfi is just sick of it, as most everyone is. She does have a right to be here, just as everyone else does. What she, nor you, have a right to do is make up the rules for the rest of us. She has called many of us things we didn't like. It seems that some have put mirrors up as they say, and yes, it doesn't like the reflection.

She has been told for years how others feel, she continues to bait and taunt. To me, it borders on insanity.

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Then you are in a club of one. I have watched her call most everyone on here a racist. And not nicely. You have pity for someone or something that you don't even know its gender.

I think Kawfi is just sick of it, as most everyone is. She does have a right to be here, just as everyone else does. What she, nor you, have a right to do is make up the rules for the rest of us. She has called many of us things we didn't like. It seems that some have put mirrors up as they say, and yes, it doesn't like the reflection.

She has been told for years how others feel, she continues to bait and taunt. To me, it borders on insanity.

I don't read this paper enough to say I have read all of any person's posts and I sure haven't read all of hers. Being sick of what a person says doesn't mean it is ok to call them Jagoffs and Skanks and any other number of things. Lots of people on here "bait"....but you don't have to resort to playground bullying and being childish and start name calling. I don't read everything here because quite frankly, I don't care about the topic, or I don't care what others have to say on it, but I am not going to start picking on people for what they believe. I don't pity anyone...where did you read that I do?

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If you don't read this often

then you have most likely missed it. I saw no one called a jackoff, but I have seen her/it/his mean spirited, nasty race baiting go on incessantly for years.

It really gets down to if you are exposed to a crazy, day in and day out, you try to ignore them, then you try to cope with them. Finally after all that is logical fails, many lose their temper. DM doesn't act rational and and many have tried to patiently reason with her. It is hopeless.

Look at what is going on, a bunch of people who don't normally respond in a hateful way have all had it. All with one person or thing, it, sitting in the corner trying to look pitiful. Do you think it could be DM, or have all these people collectively lost it? (I would bet on DM being the culprit.) :]

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If you go and read Joe Kawfi's posts, you will see where he has called me and DM and others a Jagoff and a skank among other words.....just go look, you will see it.

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The "internet troll" reference fits perfectly here...

Same subject matter, time after time, nothing more to add, rinse wash repeat...it is what it is.

It's not name calling per say, it is what a person on message boards is called that posts the same thing over and over again.

Haddix and Sussberg sometimes get into this mold.

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Spy: Exactly

The "troll" remarks have nothing to do with the hideous creature under the bridge in Billy Goat Gruff kids' book :) It's the whole Internet trolling to simply get lots of attention by making statements to PO people. Here's your typical DM conversation:

Person A: Pretty nice day outside!
DM: The South treated blacks horribly for decades! They were all Republicans!
Person A: ?
DM: Black and white people get along in Fayetteville!
Person A: ??
DM: I expected to be treated like crap in FC and haven't been, but there's still a bunch of you racists out there! NAACP! Republicans are terrible!
Person A: =sigh= I just said it was a nice day outside.

That's about the intellectual depth involved in those conservations here. Everything in DM's mind is about race and that's a miserable way to have to live.

Now, as far as calling her things like "skeezer," no. That's just low class. Joe Kawfi is also a huge troll himself, another person I just ignore these days.

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No Southern Hospitality
rmoc wrote:

I am really offended by the "troll" and "whore" references. I don't agree with DM on many issues but guys this is ridiculous! I think that DM is overly sensitive on racial issues and often disagree with her on political issues.
You gentlemen are not gentlemen and political discussion is not about name calling and instead about intellegent sharing of ideas and opinions. You feed the notion that those who fight the NAACP are racist idiots and the TROLLS. Please keep the discussion civil which benefits everyone.

I couldn't agree more....but remember it is just a handful of rude people on here who really are probably just enjoying the attention they get because most people who act like this in print don't have the courage to be like that in real life. I have found in the 35 years I have lived in the South that Southern Hospitality is highly overrated....as proven by some really rude people on here.

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I have lived in the South that Southern Hospitality is highly overrated....as proven by some really rude people on here.

First make sure the person you're referring to is a southerner. If so you will find that the majority of southerners, i.e. those born and raised here by parents born and raised here will respond to you in a way that multiplies your attitude towards them. If you're nice they will be even nicer in return. But don't expect one to just accept rudeness without an in kind response. And the fact that you brand an entire group of people like you just did, gives me a clue as to why you're not finding the south so hospitable. I guess all I can say beyond that is that if you don't like it here, Delta is ready when you are.

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I have lived in the South that Southern Hospitality is highly overrated....as proven by some really rude people on here.

First make sure the person you're referring to is a southerner. If so you will find that the majority of southerners, i.e. those born and raised here by parents born and raised here will respond to you in a way that multiplies your attitude towards them. If you're nice they will be even nicer in return. But don't expect one to just accept rudeness without an in kind response. And the fact that you brand an entire group of people like you just did, gives me a clue as to why you're not finding the south so hospitable. I guess all I can say beyond that is that if you don't like it here, Delta is ready when you are.

Read my post again....it says "SOME"...see that? You even quoted me. Southern Hospitality is overrated.....I ain't apologizin' for it.

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I would suggest you re-reread your own post...

...G35 is right.

However that being said.. Most of us "Southerners" could not care less what people think of us.

If you have a attitude you might want to check it at the Mason Dixon line...

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very well spoken

no on is going to continuously be abused.

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Are the people friendly around here? Asks the newcomer..

Were they friendly where you came from? Replies the oldtimer.

A lot truth to that one.

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Yankee Hospitality isn't all that great either..

For some reason they keep coming down. :)

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Seems that with teh mix of cultures in Atlanta that hospitality isn't much at all. But, in Fayette County, it's something I notice more since I live here....not much tolerance for people who have opinions other than right wing. Instead of tolerating and having open communication, it's quite often hate filled and rude and name calling on here is just uncalled for. I don't understand why it is allowed. It serves no purpose. The ability to express your opinion on here is for everyone. If someone doesn't like the opinion, they should not be allowed to be abusive and do name calling like a playground bully.

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RKS - name calling like a playground bully?

Are you advocating bouncing DM off this site? 'Cause if you are, that's the only thing in your little leftist mini rant that made sense.

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i am as Libertarian as you will find..

And also proudly Southern as you will find.

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If you were more mature than the people that you are chastising you would address them directly and state your problem with them rather than attack an entire group of people that I can see that you really know little about.

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If you were more mature than the people that you are chastising you would address them directly and state your problem with them rather than attack an entire group of people that I can see that you really know little about.

I am probably older than the majority of the posters on here, so don't make any assumptions about my maturity. If the shoe fits, wear it, if not, don't worry about it. I have stated my problem with "those people" on more than one occassion and have also complained to the "management" on here, so don't you go and make so many assumptions.

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I am probably older than the majority of the posters on here, so don't make any assumptions about my maturity.

Maturity does not always come with age. Sometimes age comes alone.

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G35.. oh you so got it

"Maturity does not always come with age. Sometimes age comes alone"

And in DM case, most probably dies alone.

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G35 Dude - Age & maturity

Copy that!!

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Treatment of DM is shameful

I totally agree rmoc. Gentlemen demonstrate respect for their elders regardless of their agreement with the opinions of their elders. The name calling and disrespect for DM on this blog says much more about the disrespecting bloggers than it does about DM.

If one disagrees with DM, simply state the disagreement in rational arguments or ignore her comments completely. Resorting to ad hominem attacks demonstrates a paucity of intellectual acumen and immaturity.

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STF

At one time I enjoyed DM. I just considered her to be an elderly black woman that was a product of her environment. I allowed her her beliefs although I disagreed and she was aware of mine. But as time went on I noticed that some of her tactics included rewording my post and using it to support her position even though I disagreed with it. When I called her on it I was called naive, immature, and childish among other things. Questions that I would ask her would go unanswered. Discussions with her became futile. Now I will agree that calling her a whore/troll is going too far. I myself have never done that. But I do consider her to be a racist. And now I usually just ignore her posts. She claims to be here to improve race relations but she supports the NAACP in an action, district voting, that I believe will harm race relations. I do think she has earned the right to be ignored. But not to be called whore/troll. Racist now that is another matter.