What is it with you gun lovers? Don’t you see damage they do?

What is it with you gun lovers? (And I feel as though I am asking the minority of Americans).

You cling to the Second Amendment as though it were written yesterday; it was written 228 years ago, and back then, the “arms to bear” were single-shot rifles or pistols. What if the amendment stated: “Only single-shot arms allowed”?

Even I would approve of that, and I hate guns. Why do any of you need a automatic rifle?

How anyone can find “beauty in a well-designed and manufactured rifle or pistol” is beyond my comprehension. There is absolutely no beauty is a “manufactured and designed” device, that, when loaded with a powered projectile, is capable of the destruction it can administer.

Oh, I forgot! It’s not the gun that kills?

A few years ago, President Obama attended a town hall meeting in a city that has laws on the book, allowing one to carry a loaded gun. (Portsmouth, N.H.). A man there attended this meeting with a pistol and holster strapped to his leg. Do you suppose he felt threatened by The President being there? (“Is The President gonna pull out a gun and try to shoot me?”)

Why teach a 12-year-old how to shoot a automatic rifle, or any other powerful weapon?

(If she rolls her eyes at you, give her the water pistol and she will be much happier.) You don’t know the memories that might cling to a child, when the child is taught unordinary teachings. I’ve never been to a gun range, but I would assume that, once the firing is completed, that you examine your target to review, not the damage done to the target, but your accuracy. You would not want any student to see the damages that these same type bullets could inflict upon flesh and bone; even the news media won’t show us the horror of it all.

When I was a child, a father in our neighborhood thought he heard a burglar in the middle of the night, and he took his loaded pistol from beneath his pillow, and killed his only son. You could hear the mother crying throughout the neighborhood. She cried for three days and three nights. And I cried too.

One of my best friends loved guns, and he had a locked gun rack cabinet in his home. His young son learned how to “pick the lock,” and killed himself. The guns and gun rack are no longer in my friend’s home.

After completing my four years in the US Air Force, I started college, under the GI Bill.

After the first quarter, I went home that weekend to visit my parents. Looking through the closet, I found the trusty old BB gun that I had as a young boy. With nothing better to do, I went for a walk in the woods behind our home. I spotted a bird in a tree, aimed, and pulled the trigger.

The bird fell to the ground. I walked over to examine my “kill,” and picked up the lifeless body of what had been a beautiful woodpecker.

Immediately I asked myself, ”Why?” I buried the bird, took the rifle home, smashed it to pieces, and put it in the garbage can.

Since that time, I have fired no weapon, not even a sling shot. No guns are in my home. I can still laugh, though, at fun with a water pistol.

I must agree that a deranged individual who has thoughts of causing bodily harm to others has more than guns as his weapon of choice; but we should at least start the framework of trying to make the gun less popular for these sick people. The Coalition To Stop Gun Violence would be the place to start.

Hugh Buchanan

Peachtree City, Ga.

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A harsh reality: 47% of the citizens of Georgia voted for Obama. (Not all were minority or women) Most Georgians want continued sensible gun control - and improved process for treating and/or identifying the mentally ill. Did you 'hear' the statement of the NRA? Fighting Second Amendment rights is not the main issue of 'libs' or 'conservatives'. Saving innocent lives and protecting children and 'home' is.

THIS IS THE CURRENT NRA STATEMENT: We'll know tomorrow what their stand will be:

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The National Rifle Association of America is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters -- and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown.
Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common decency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting.
The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.
The NRA is planning to hold a major news conference in the Washington, DC area on Friday, December 21.
Details will be released to the media at the appropriate time

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So DM after the NRA heard from their Millions of members...

...did we just roll over or say exactly what I said they would?

Bans don't work and we will not support a ban PERIOD.

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I have an idea - ban the NRA

Of course to be fair you'd have to ban some other organization on the left that is outdated and tiresome in their rhetoric - just like the NRA is on the right.

So, how about we start 2013 with no NRA and no NAACP and see how that works. Next year we can pick 2 others and whittle away at the stupid inflammatory people (both right and left) who just talk to hear themselves. Boring and outdated. But please leave PETA intact - those folks are just plain funny.

The NAACP has decades of stupidity, but the NRA outdid themselves yapping about gun right before all the kids were even buried. Sometimes it is time to just shut up. If I ran the IRA, I'd stay out of the talk on gun bans and simply gear up to provide proper training for the thousands of new people who bought themselves a gun for Christmas this year. Training gun owners is productive and it makes you look like part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

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mudcat...how true

Ban NAACP long with them. They are very inflammatory and racist.

As for PETA...this is cute

http://glossynews.com/society/201001070305/activists-missing-after-decla...

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Where I can not argue with you on the words spoken by Jefferson as it relates to self defense and protection from our government, I wonder if he were here today would he realize that maybe parameters surrounding gun ownership are now needed.

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I sincerely doubt it Larry...

...our Founders understood that standing for Freedom was not popular much like it is now.

They also understood that doing so could cost them their lives.. They choose to pursue Freedom at all cost.

They were committed to that ideal. I doubt they would be the weak spineless Americans that most have become today.

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S. Lindsey: Freedom

That is a word that makes everyone perk up. Linking freedom with guns: hell yes, 2nd amendment stuff. Now consider the perpetrator's view: he wants freedom to pursue his agenda and with the gun link the method becomes obvious. Every component of gun violence needs to be addressed, starting with our attitudes. It is obvious to nearly everyone that our downward spiral concerning gun violence must be mitigated. It is obvious to me that more and ever more powerful guns are not the answer.

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Stone it's called the LAW for a reason...

...my FREEDOM ends at the impedance of yours.

We have LAWS in Society stone. The perp broke a lot of them...What more could you add?

In fact gun violence is down not up and this isn't even the worse of the bunch so check your feelings at the door stone. They don't pass the muster.

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In fact gun violence is down not up and this isn't even the worse of the bunch so check your feelings at the door stone. They don't pass the muster.

The downward spiral I mentioned was in reference to the type of victims, the making of an elementary school fair game. The point I made that you missed was the inaccurate association between freedom and guns. The CT incident is a watershed event in the US gun culture, regardless of my feelings.

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In America Guns=Freedom...Stone

That is a fact.
To us trying to take our 2nd Amendment Rights or even curtail them is an out and out assault on Freedom.

You need to wake up to that fact Stone. That's how we feel so you will understand while you argue for confiscation we tell you "Come and Take it".

btw- It's only a "Watershed" moment for you and those like you.. to us it calls for more armed citizens.

Guns created this Country..Freed this Country...Made this Country safer.. Conquered Warring Nations.. Gave us the Freedom to live fearlessly.. and you wish to take that away.

Amazing.

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S. Lindsey: I am not in favor of confiscation

I never said word one about that. I want to see the sale of assault weapons and large capacity clips stopped. The ones that are out there will increase in value considerably making them like jewelry and locked up for protection(quite the scenario, eh?).

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Then you are just going for the "Feel" good bill...

...because without confiscation...Gun bans don't work. So why do it.. to make those like you feel good about doing "something". Remember it is the intent not the results.

btw- If you exponentially increase the value of that gun then by definition you have either created a target or a temptation.

A Target for Burglars. A Temptation to sell for a huge profit for others.

You see Stone for every "solution" you can think of there will be a work around for some.

btw-I made a killing, no pun intended, during the Brady Hi-Cap Gun Mag ban.. Sold Hi-cap mags for over $90 bucks a pop. So go ahead and make our "extras" worth their weight in gold.

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I grew up in New York City in 60s and 70s.

Robbed at gun point at age 12. Family was robbed too by a gang who broke in late at night with machine guns. They actually tied everyone up and held them against their will. That one made America's Most Wanted. Nowing serving life sentences for armed robbery, kidnapping and other charges.

Never pretended to have all the answers and never will but the conversation needs to start somewhere.
There are other components such as access to public mental health but that opens up the entire "entitlement issue".

Any other questions?

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Larry Sussberg

Thanks for sharing. It gives everyone more insight as to your stand/opinion on this issue. One family that I knew in LA all lost their lives. You and yours were fortunate. Too many posting don't realize how complex this issue is - and there are no easy answers. This is more than just the right to 'hunt' and/or 'carry'.

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Guns and Car Lovers

I love this comparison!

So, if we define the average hand gun or rifle as the "car"
Then assault weapons like a semi automatic assault rifles could be defined as the "tank".
Should we all be driving tanks on the roads now?

Maybe, just a little over the top? And now that 20 babies have been massacred at blank point range, all with MULTIPLE gun shot wounds.... 20 babies between the ages of 5 and 6, we should get serious about banning semi automatic assault weapons?

No one is saying to ban guns ("cars"), just the assault weapons ("tanks").

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Larry- the irrelevance of an assault weapons ban

lets keep this in perspective.

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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention studied the "assault weapon" ban and other gun control attempts, and found "insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws reviewed for preventing violence."[6] A 2004 critical review of research on firearms by a National Research Council panel also noted that academic studies of the assault weapon ban "did not reveal any clear impacts on gun violence" and noted "due to the fact that the relative rarity with which the banned guns were used in crime before the ban ... the maximum potential effect of the ban on gun violence outcomes would be very small...."[7]

The United States Department of Justice National Institute of Justice found should the ban be renewed, its effects on gun violence would likely be small, and perhaps too small for reliable measurement, because rifles in general, including rifles referred to as "assault rifles" or "assault weapons", are rarely used in gun crimes.[8]

That study by Christopher S. Koper, Daniel J. Woods, and Jeffrey A. Roth of the Jerry Lee Center of Criminology, University of Pennsylvania found no statistically significant evidence that either the assault weapons ban or the ban on magazines holding more than 10 bullets had reduced gun murders. However, they concluded that it was "premature to make definitive assessments of the ban's impact on gun crime," and argue that if the ban had been in effect for more than nine years, benefits might have begun to appear.[9]

Research by John Lott in the 2000 second edition of More Guns, Less Crime provided the first research on state and the Federal Assault Weapon Bans.[10] The 2010 third edition provided the first empirical research on the 2004 sunset of the Federal Assault Weapon Ban.[11] Generally, the research found no impact of these bans on violent crime rates, though the third edition provided some evidence that Assault Weapon Bans slightly increased murder rates. Lott's book The Bias Against Guns provided evidence that the bans reduced the number of gun shows by over 20 percent.[12] Koper, Woods, and Roth studies focus on gun murders, while Lott's looks at murder, rape, robbery, and aggravated assaults. Unlike their work, Lott's research accounted for state Assault Weapon Bans and 12 other different types of gun control laws.

The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence examined the impact of the Assault Weapons Ban in its 2004 report, On Target: The Impact of the 1994 Federal Assault Weapon Act. Examining 1.4 million guns involved in crime, "in the five-year period before enactment of the Federal Assault Weapons Act (1990-1994), assault weapons named in the Act constituted 4.82% of the crime gun traces ATF conducted nationwide. Since the law’s enactment, however, these assault weapons have made up only 1.61% of the guns ATF has traced to crime."[13] A spokesman for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) stated that he "can in no way vouch for the validity" of the report.

assault rifles have never accounted for more than 5% of gun crimes. The majority of mass shootings are not commited using assault rifles. Your'e tilting at windmills here man, getting all upset over something that statistically is not the real problem. If you dont like guns at all that would be one thing. But to get crazy about a particular KIND of gun that contributes to such a small portion of crime seems like a waste of your efforts. Liberals like to use assault weapons to scare people in to going along with their disarmament plans. So they whip up a fervor over assault rifles. They are just as aware of the statitics as everyone else, but its hard to scare the nation talking about a .22 revolver.

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Larry...Larry...Larry

Do you remember the 1994 "scary" gun ban aka the Brady Assault weapons ban...? Now fast forward to 1998 in Columbine...Did the "scary" gun ban work? No?
Why not?
If all we need to do is ban those "scary" guns then Columbine should not have happened right?

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Ever seen the aftermath of a 'gun fight' in an urban area - with bullets flying into innocents homes, etc.? Some of the participants were legally issued guns. (This action doesn't get much press here in Fayette County and unfortunately not much press where it occurs) You add to the conversation - but you don't have all the answers.

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Larry, you have proven again that you are a mental midget ...

May I recommend that you read the basis of logical arguements before you open your mouth. For basics, I recommend http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/structure.html and www.uv.es/alcolea/documentos/Logical_argument.doc.

For my part, I am done responding to you and your all too familiar lightweight logic.

Bob

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Oh Bobby

Let's see, I'm a mental midget and Hugh Buchanan is PATHETIC.

What I find sad and truly idiotic was your original post!

As for name calling, that's really PATHETIC because it shows your continued inability to engage in any civility when you post since most of what you write is an attack on someone.

You might want to consider therapy!

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Let's rephrase and rethink ...

What is it with you car lovers? Don’t you see damage they do?

I am neither a gun owner or user (I have only a few times operated them in training and assignments). Given some of my past experiences as a medic, I think they are dangerous, BUT - With your line of reasoning, automobiles should have been outlawed years ago. If you are an example of logical thought in America, we are doomed many years earlier than I suspected. Your logic and defense of position can be described in only one way -

PATHETIC.

Bob

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While you're at it...

Take away your freedom of speech...when was that written?

Come on Hugh, I have a right to protect me and my family. Have you not read about all of the house invasions? I have sevearl guns in my house and I have taught my kids to respect them for they do cause harm.

Ask the family in Tyrone if they wish they had had guns when their family members was shot to death.

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Gun control is pretty tight

Gun control is pretty tight in Russia yet, there murder rate is higher than in the states.

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What is it with you GUN HATERS? Do you like "dying" from attacks

It amazes my when the gun haters come out of the woodwork. If more people were trained (very important concept), and armed.... there would be less crime. Case in point. How many deer hunters would go to the woods if the deer could shoot back? A civilian population better able to defend itself against attack is a viable solution to the proliferation of crime.

NO.. It's not for everybody... But your comments seem to be FOR EVERYBODY. Please don't step on my rights. This country needs a "bounce back" to constitutional basics with a focus on the intent of our forefathers.

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Even the democratic party knows better than to waste time discussing this issue due to the majority of U.S. citizens disagreeing with them; take a lesson and stop wasting our time.

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I'm for Gun Control!

As are all in my family and most of our friends!

The ability to control the weapon and take out the threat is crucial!

Passing more gun laws will only make the law abiding citizens more defenseless, is anyone here actually foolish enough to believe criminals would actually obey a new law?

We have great anecdotal evidence of the failure of gun laws, just check out Chicago and Washington DC!

God, please watch over the fools, and watch over me (after I empty my 1911). GP

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never heard of a drive by

knifing.. the jets and sharks fought mano et mano..

Every sane person has to realize that the guns now being allowed are for one purpose and that is assault... No automatic or semi automatic weapon should be needed for personal use and protection..

Get them off the street and fill the jails with anyone found with them after a certain date.

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sorry.the jails are already full with hemp smokers.

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dup

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Mr. Buchanan
In reading the comments and your replies regarding your original gun entry, I couldn't help but notice you could not admit you didn't know the difference between an automatic or semi-automatic rifle. Chances are in Fayette County less than one resident in five thousand owns an automatic rifle. Maybe you really meant to say "semi-automatic" rifle, or maybe, like Mayor Bloomberg, you purposely try to mislead the easily swayed and woefully uninformed.
Unfortunately, many other uninformed anti-gun, head in the sand individuals like you are not aware that it is not as easy as walking into a sporting goods shop and buying an automatic rifle. The National Firearms Act of 1934 insures that. Naive people like you are the same ones who think any rifle which is black or has a clip/magazine is an assault rifle.
To think placing more restrictions on the gun rights of everyone will prevent whackos from killing someone is again, so very naive. It's as naive as believing the police will always be there to protect you. Since you apparently have never filled out Form 4473, Firearms Transaction Record, it may be worth your time, if you have any interest in fact instead of hysteria, to see what information is necessary to purchase a firearm. You may not qualify. If you think that form is detailed, try filing one out to buy an "automatic" rifle.
You experienced a life changing moment when you shot a bird. If smashing your BB gun atoned for the guilt you felt, it was probably the best thing you could have done for yourself and others. It's true, not everyone should have a gun.
Mike Loyd

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mwillys52 Mike Loyd:

Mr Loyd, I do know the difference between auto and semi-auto. That was a typing error on my part in my letter.

So I will pose this question: You have explained all the paperwork required to purchase a semi-automatic rifle; But why do any of you gun owners need a semi-automatic rifle?

It would be foolish for me to believe that hand guns (pistols) would be surrendered by gun owners.
I just cannot understand your need for a semi-automatic rifle. Are you suspicious that some foreign invader may try to overtake our country? I myself have much trust in our military services, as I am sure that you do too.

I have come to realize one important fact from all the comments so far; There are gun owners that have taken their child to the Batman movie, and carried with them a loaded pistol, in case a copy-cat deranged individual shows up and exposes himself and his weapons in the dark movie theater. Now suppose that there was one of those individuals in the theater, and his "weapon" was a firecracker. This scenario could have many tragic endings, including deaths of innocent movie patrons. Most would say that the deranged copy-cat got what he deserved.

In days to come, could it be that the only safe place to be in a crowd of people, is aboard a airline flight, where you could be fairly certain that the only gun on board, if there is one, is with a sky marshall?

The intent of my letter was not just the question for your need for the semi-automatic rifle, but to start a dialog as to how to recognize deranged individuals, and take their weapons from them.

And again I state that the place to start is The Coalition To Stop Gun Violence.

Hugh Buchanan

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Bopeep & Guns on a plane

Don't forget the Federal Flight Deck Officers who are crewmembers trained by the Air Marshal Service. You'll never know---but neither will the bad guys!

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The Citizen's Error

I just noticed that the Citizen Editor made an error in my letter; I said "majority", NOT minority.
Here's a copy/paste of the actual email transmission:

Aug 6, 2012 12:30am

Dear Editor:

What is it with you gun lovers? (And I feel as though I am asking the mijority of Americans).

(Not that this is gonna change anyone's belief's, but we ALL know that the mijority of Americans love guns. Most of the 65 entries here prove that.) Hugh Buchanan

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Must be the goofy hat
bopeep wrote:

What is it with you gun lovers? (And I feel as though I am asking the mijority of Americans).

(Not that this is gonna change anyone's belief's, but we ALL know that the mijority of Americans love guns. Most of the 65 entries here prove that.) Hugh Buchanan

Which is it Hugh, the mijority or the manority? Pick one, they're both wrong.

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Opportunity to stop people...

...like this:

http://www2.wjbf.com/news/2012/aug/09/12/developing-story-overnight-brea...

LMFAO! If only he'd planted all three!

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Mr. Buchanan-Gun Control

Mr. Buchanan writes:

I’ve never been to a gun range, but I would assume that, once the firing is completed, that you examine your target to review, not the damage done to the target, but your accuracy.

After completing my four years in the US Air Force, I started college, under the GI Bill.

Being a retired veteran (Marines and Army), these comments seem a bit contradictory to me.

Last time I checked, even the U. S. Air Force required at least some sort of basic weapons training. That weapons training, even in the Air Force would have to be done on a firing (gun) range. In the Marines, Army, Navy as well as the Air Force, last time I checked, basic marksmanship training/weapons familiarization was required at least in basic training.

If it is true that you have never visited a gun range, are you saying you missed that class in Air Force basic, or are you saying that if you did marksmanship training in the Air Force, that didn't really count as a "gun range," or are you saying that the Air Force didn't require marksmanship training/weapons familiarization at any point in your four years of military service?

Just curious ...

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USAF Gun Range Training

You are correct. I had forgotten about that. Yes, we did have such training.
Hugh Buchanan

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Hugh

May I suggest that you put a small sign in your front yard designating your property as a gun free zone.

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Trading freedom for perceived security

The original intent for the second amendment was:

-deterring tyrannical government;
-repelling invasion;
-suppressing insurrection;
-facilitating a natural right of self-defense;
-participating in law enforcement;
-enabling the people to organize a militia system.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Const...

It's not about what people need, it's a right. It's not there by accident; it's specifically there to preserve our individual liberties because historically government cannot.

The debate about gun control is really an attempt to limit people’s rights and by default their behavior. The problem is laws don’t appreciably affect criminal behavior. Case in point: We already have laws that make it a crime to shoot people.

Furthermore, we have “gun free zones” for the safety of the children. Take for example the campus of Georgia Tech. We regularly have armed thugs robbing kids because they have every expectation those students are unarmed; therefore unable to present an adequate defense.

Or Syria. You have for the most part an unarmed or at least under armed populous against the military might of the government. The result is wholesale slaughter of civilians daily until they quash the uprising. There are countless examples of government tyranny, oh and please don't give me the counter of that can't happen here...

Society is fragile. Do you recall the events following Hurricane Katrina? It could be described as chaos. And one of government’s solutions was to confiscate firearms; at the time citizens needed them most! They call it fancy names like “Marshall law”.

Gun control is an attempt to control a symptom of a much larger problem; a problem of a culture of violence in our society. It’s not a breakdown of law enforcement, nor the judicial system, but rather a limitation currently to adequately enforce sentences. Our principle means of punishment now is confinement, which is not an effective deterrent primarily because the criminal knows the criminal justice system doesn’t have the capacity to hold them for anywhere close to their sentence duration.

I advise you carefully consider the issues and unintended consequences of not just gun control, but any issue that would further limit citizen’s rights. It would seem American’s today are entirely too quick to trade their freedom for perceived security. Be careful, you know the story of the frog and the boiling water…

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mjl: Second Amendment

Seems to me that the six things you list as being a outline of provisions of the Second Amendment would be satisfied by our having a police force in each community, a National Guard, and all branches of the US Military Service. We do have all of that, do we not?

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right of choice

It is my understanding that the constitution doesn't "give" us rights, but rather is a statement of inherent rights we possess. It implies that we have the freedom to choose to protect ourselves. It shouldn't matter whether it is with a gun, a knife or a baseball bat. If a person is intent on killing, they will find the weapon to do so. No one should have the authority to take our freedom of choice. Let me be free to protect myself the way I see fit as you are free to not to.

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Everyone is for gun control

when one is pointed at you.

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mjlennon

Please describe the perceived enemy that requires my having military weapons in my home. Thanks.

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DM- I can describe the "percieved" enemy to a "T"

He's white, in his 20's. He is a PHD candidate who may be undergoing treatment for schizophrenia. he has recently dyed his hair orange, purchased body armor and knows how to make chemical grenades and improvised bombs and booby traps. He has pistols and shotguns and semi automatic rifles but doesnt know how to use them well. he has zero regard for human life, much less the law. He will shoot men, women and children with equal abandon, but only in places where he knows no one else is allowed to have a gun, like movie theaters. Oh, and one more thing. Even though he has never met you, he wants to kill you and your family very, very badly. Is that a good enought description DM? Does that make me sound like a paranoid crackpot? Shall I describe the young man who drove his truck through a resturaunt wall and killed a dozen people? Shall I describe the guy who climbed a tower on a college campus and opened fire with a hunting rifle? What about the guy who set off some bombs in town to distract police and then took a boat to an island where he had the only guns and there was no escape and shot over a hundred people, killing like 77? Do I sound like a right wing extremist when I describe these "percieved" enemies. I just hope those people and situations never actually happen. Oh wait.....

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Does that make me sound like a paranoid crackpot

You betcha!!!!

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Since all of the persons I describe were real. The first one, james Holmes, was the aurora movie theater shooter. Please explain how Wanting the ability to defend myself against someone like that makes me a paranoid crackpot?

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To Davids mom; Self Defense of the Home

I can certainly describe many situations where having a firearm will provide me or my family the ability to protect our home/land/property. Your question is a curious one, a question that to me makes no sense. Anyway for fun, do a simple search in major metro areas in cities similar to Atlanta and you can find numerous examples of home invasions and break-ins. I took a few moments and did my search and found numerous articles regarding home invasions in metro areas of Atlanta, Dallas, Chicago, Cleveland, Tampa, LA and Houston. Based on the non-scientific search, I think I can describe for you the typical home invasion is committed by 2-3 black males between the ages of 18-35. After arrest, or visit from the coroner, law enforcement typically finds weapons on the perp's person or nearby with the perps fingerprints. These weapons usually range from Semi-Automatic pistols, revolvers, shotguns, knives and club/bats. Often times the guns are stolen or illegally procured by the criminals.
That is precisely the situation that if ever I am in, I pray that I have quick access to my "military style" weapons and my training pays off and the coroner is called to dispose of the intruders.

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I was raised in Los Angeles. We had a weapon in the home. Like the majority of citizens in the United States, we did not have occasion to use this weapon. Relatives here in Georgia have had to sit on their porches with their rifles. This was in the sixties through the eighties. I support gun ownership. I don't see the need for weapons that can kill many with one squeeze or grenades or bazookas. Home invasions? Right here in FC. You sir or madam make no sense to me. . . but you have the right to protect your family. I just don't think you need military weapons. By the way, those who threstened my relatives in Georgia were not 'black'. . . . And home invaders come in all colors. But you have identified who you fear. OK.
I am developing a fear of 'white supremacists '. Sad state of affairs in our country.

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I never wrote "all" home invasion/burglaries were committed by black people. We both know that all types of people commit these crimes. However from a sampling of approx. 20 newspaper articles picked at random doing a simple search, I found overwhelmingly that young black males in their late teens to mid thirties, in groups of two to three, using a variety of weapons recently committed these types of home invasion crimes. Of course the articles only identified those that were caught or killed. Many of the news articles had photos and many described the people that were apprehended. As i wrote earlier, my sampling was from metro areas around cities like Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Chicago, Cleveland, LA et al.

Not a scientific study as I said. By the way, regarding these white hate groups, I agree that they are a problem. It is good to be aware of them and all criminals. As a relatively new American (family came thru Ellis Island in 1902, legally) my ancestry and ancestor's religion would eliminate me from membership in these groups. I'm glad you support gun ownership.
For those who do not, Molon Labe.

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Welcome! You and your family are relative newcomers to our country. I'm pleased that your ancestry and ancestors religion prevent you from being a 'white supremacist'.

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There is absolutely nothing

There is absolutely nothing requiring you to have military or any other weapon for that matter in your home. That decision is entirely yours to make.

However, the issue of gun control isn't what you're allowed in your home, but rather what is allowed in my home. A decision that also ought to be up to me...

I described several examples that outlined legitimate threats.

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If you don't like guns, don't buy one

As for me, my next semi-auto purchase will be the Beretta CX4 Storm.
www.berettausa.com/products/cx4-storm/
Much more effective than the water pistol.

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My scattered thoughts on guns

The problem with the discussion on gun control is that there will always be stories like those told here by Mr Buchanan and more from the other side about lives being saved by people carrying weapons. The discussion has to move to a higher level, more of what's best for the majority. After all cars kill many more people than guns do every year. But instead of trying to ban cars we spend time trying to teach people how to use cars safely. I think that is what Mr Garlock was attempting to do with his guns and kids.

If we take time to look at the effects of guns on society you must look at places like Kennesaw, GA. Since they passed the law requiring each household to have a gun crime has dropped even as the population has increased. Since 1982 when this law was passed there has been 4 gun related murders in Kennesaw. And 3 of those were committed in "gun free" zones. And studies indicate that Kennesaw is the rule not the exception.

Criminals look for easy targets. If you look at where the mass murders have happened lately you'll see several schools, a military base that is a training base and the soldiers were unarmed, and a movie theater that had a no weapons allowed sign on the front door. Basically all were "gun free" zones. Guns can not be prohibited. We tried that with drugs and alcohol and we all know how that worked. At the end of WW2 a Japanese General was asked why they didn't attempt an invasion of the main land US after their success at Pearl Harbor. His response was because there is a gun behind every blade of grass there. I.E. they feared an armed populace. The police do the best that they can. But if you get a good response of 5-6 minutes after calling 911 who protects your family during that time? Bottom line is that a gun is the hands of a law abiding citizen that knows how to use it is the best deterrent we have against crime.

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G35- REMEBER.....

when seconds count..........the police are only minutes away!

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" Bottom line is that a gun is the hands of a law abiding citizen that knows how to use it is the best deterrent we have against crime. "

Well said indeed!

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Not scattered at all. Thanks.

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Mr. Buchanan and Mr. Garlock

Mr. Buchanan, thank you for your thoughtful comments about guns. I think your views are shared by many Americans who are unfortunately too quiet on the gun control issue.

Mr. Garlock, you accuse the "anti-gun left" of emotional nonsense. I find Mr.Buchanan very rational.

Compare his views to some gun rights advocates. Some argue on this website that assault weapons should be available to prepare us for a fight when our government becomes tyrannical. This is dangerous paranoia.

When America elected its first African-American President, gun sales soared. This is just fear mongering by the gun industry.

When there is a mass shooting in America, gun sales soar also. This is irrational fear fostered by the gun industry.

There are those who think it necessary to carry their guns in our parks, shopping centers, restaurants, airports, and even churches. This is nonsense and foreign to the America I grew up in and love.

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Lion- just speculating

You mention parks, shopping centers, restaurants, airports, and even churches. But i wonder how many people wish they had been allowed to carry guns inside a movie theater in colorado a few weeks ago? If someone had stood up in the crowd, and shot 'ole nutjob in the face with his legal registered concealed weapon, I wonder If Mr. Buchanan would still have written this editorial.

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renault and guns

They just arrested a guy in Ohio who was in a movie theater (Dark Knight again) with a loaded Glock, two extra clips, and 4 knives. His attorney said he brought the weapons to the movie for his personal protection.

I am sure we will find that this guy is nuts. But I do not want anyone in a theater with me carrying a gun--not any nut case or some self appointed vigilante who thinks he is a quick draw and can save the world.

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Why leap to the conclusion that the guy will be judged "nuts"? If you are ever in a crowded Theater, I'll bet there are some concealed weapons in the house--you sure can't call all them "nuts". Of course you cancall all of them what you want--I just wonder what you will call them if one of them happens to save your threatened azz!

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Lion, I confess . . .

. . . that last week I took my daughter to the Batman movie and made a point to carry a small .380 semi-automatic in my pocket, just in case some copycat moron decided to shoot up the place I would have at least a chance to defend my kid. Somehow I think that is better than cowering in fear or begging for mercy.

Terry Garlock

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Movies and guns

Well TG you sure know how to take the fun and joy out of going to a movie. Most of us do not want the guy sitting in the next row to have a loaded gun with him--no matter what his motives might be. If I knew someone in the theater had a gun, I would walk out. Is this what family fun in Fayette County has become?

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lion-Movies and Guns

http://www.coshoctontribune.com/article/20120810/NEWS01/208100306

Based on this article 11.5% of Georgians have a permit to carry.

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If I knew someone in the theater had a gun, I would walk out. Is this what family fun in Fayette County has become?

I hope you have your walking shoes on because people are carrying guns everywhere you go. All the legal places that it.

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Terry & .380

Hear that Bersa makes a mighty good one!But who am I to JUDGE?

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So does Sig. Little heavy but add a Crimsom and you have neat little between the eyes piece.

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Mr Garlock Made A Point/Cowering In Fear

Was that the daughter that you gave gun training to? Did she know that you "made a point" to carry this gun? When she is old enough to go to a movie with friends, will she carry a gun in her purse? Will young people, a few years from now, want to carry a six-shooter along on their junior prom? Are we headed in the direction of everyone wearing a bullet-proof vest to a movie? You, Mr Garlock, "made a point" to carry a (loaded?) gun with you to the movie. Do you make it a point to carry a gun anywhere else in public? You have left the impression that you were looking forward to carry this weapon with you.

I did not realize that we non-gun folks were "COWERING IN FEAR or BEGGING FOR MERCY" when all we are trying to do is to "talk about gun control rationally", to borrow some of your own words.

Hugh Buchanan

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Mr. Buchanan, you must be kidding.

Of course the gun in my pocket was loaded. What self defense purpose would it serve if not loaded?

Doesn't make any difference which daughter was with me, and your near-hysterical leap (typical for anti-gun types) to kids carrying guns is just plain laughable. My daughter will carry a gun IF she decides to do so AFTER she reaches the required age IF she meets all the requirements and background checks. And since I know the question lurks in your suspicious mind, no I won't be encouraging her to carry a gun. But as her father at least I will have taught her how to handle a gun safely.

Since the "cowering in fear" comment went over your head, I'll simplify. If a madman starts shooting in a confined area, you have just 3 options: (1) hide and cower in fear, (2) beg for mercy or (3) attack the perp. If you have a weapon, attacking in self defense is easier. If you don't, better to attack anyway than cower.

As far as when I carry a gun in public, I'll keep those cards close to my vest.

Terry Garlock

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Mr G, Further discussion with you is

pointless

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Carrying in public

Many women who live in urban areas discreetly 'carry'. I don't know of any who have had to use their weapon. (There is a certain way a woman carries herself when armed that law enforcement has stated is a signal to purse snatchers, etc. to let that lady alone!) You really don't have to carry to learn how to 'walk the walk'. If you don't carry, you better know how to scream, kick, and run!! I have never felt the need to carry in Fayette County. It's interesting - I have always looked for exit areas when entering a public place since I was a teenager. There are some skills that one living in an urban area need to acquire. I congratulate Terry Garlock. I was taught to use a gun at the age of 15. I have great respect for guns - they kill. I never heard any one of my acquaintances/friends bragg about carrying a gun. I find this aspect of 'southern' living very interesting.

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BoPeep & Who Carries

You might be surprised at how many honest, lawful citizens carry just about everywhere they go. No, you probably will never read about them--unless they're involved in ridding us of a criminal who accosts them. fyi, I have a Cousin who lives on Bainbridge Island, WA--he drives a bus as a part time job and carries a .38 with him when he leaves home--he is a hard-core LIBERAL. It's called "self-preservation!" It's also clear that you have never had the occasion to fear for your life--until you experience that situation, you have no idea what you'll do and how you will behave--but if you don't have any way to defend yourself, your options are severely reduced!

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They just arrested a guy in Ohio who was in a movie theater (Dark Knight again) with a loaded Glock, two extra clips, and 4 knives. His attorney said he brought the weapons to the movie for his personal protection.

I am sure we will find that this guy is nuts. But I do not want anyone in a theater with me carrying a gun--not any nut case or some self appointed vigilante who thinks he is a quick draw and can save the world.

Don't go to a movie with me. I just saw the Batman movie with my wife and daughter, armed. For some reason, I can't remember why, before the movie started my wife leaned over and asked if I was carrying.

I don't want a nut case in the theater with me either but I;m ready if there is one.

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Lion - Im sorry you feel that way......

but its your right. I'm not taking away your rights when I got to a movie with my concealed weapon. You never even knew I had it. Please don't try to take away mine.

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nonsense

The use of a hyphenated term like "African-American" is nonsense and foreign to the America that I grew up and love. If you mean that our President is black then be accurate and describe him as half black or half white. Otherwise, why even mention it?
PS- I like my high capacity magazines.

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Accuracy? His father was AFRICAN. His mother was AMERICAN. That sounds pretty accurate to me!

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DM- funny story

I had a student last year that is as white as the driven snow, but was actually born in Capetown S. Africa. Her parents are both part of the white Dutch decendants that make up some of that population. She immigrated here with her folks when she was very young and became a citizen, but told me that all through elementary school whenever she filled out forms that asked for her race, she naturally put "african american". Logical since she was actually BORN in africa. Her teachers always told her she was wrong to do so insisting that she just put white instead. This always confused her since, of all the people she knew in school, she was the only one actually from africa and had african parents, while student who were not (nor were there ancestors for several generations) from there, were told to put "african-american" on the forms. She said that by the time she got to middle school she just agve up trying. I guess some people arent as interested in "accuracy" as we are!

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Renault

I had three families in my career who identified themselves as South African. They were identified as 'white' (race). They were proud of their nationality . For a reason that American history makes quite clear, Negros, coloreds, Blacks, have had to 'clarify' their nationality. Americans proudly come in all colors !!

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Renault, Charlize Theron, the 'white' actress is South African.

Some people do not realize that many Africans, expecially South Africans are of the white race. She always states that she is South African in interviews etc. She lived there most of her life before coming to the States.

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Mytmite - i know

but if she ever got citizenship here, would they let her put african american on her passport? something tells me no..........

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Renault

Follow closely. A passport designates your nationality, not your race. South Africa is a country. The citizens are South Africans. The US is a country. The citizens are American. There is no 'race' identification on a US passport.

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DM- so once again, I was right

they would not put african american on her passport. Ha!

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Again - you're right Renault

Her nationality was South African. When she received her US citizenship, her nationality was American. (She was still 'white' in both instances) In South Africa - there are blacks and whites who proudly identify themselves by their nationality. Many 'black' South Africans do proudly identify themselves by their tribal name.

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What?

If you grew up in the era of colored, Negro, the N word, Blacks, etc. - you may understand why African-American is more palatable to many (since it is STILL necessary in this country to identify a human by 'race') Let's drop all the nomenclature including Irish-American, Asian-American, European-American, etc,, etc, etc. Our president is an American! (His skin color is not white - therefore our history shows that Americans have had a need to identify all those who were not 'white' by a name that would separate them from 'other' Americans. Sad.

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American to me defines Citizenship

I'm against those who continue to put people in groups. I never understood the hyphenated terms to describe someone. In my mind you are a citizen of the United States of American (an American) or not. No Afro-American, no Italian-American, no Irish-Americans, no gay-American. American citizen or not. Race does not enter into it for me. The fact that our president is a poor leader has nothing to do with race.

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It doesn't matter if you are

It doesn't matter if you are black, white, brown, blue, or green! Americans know how to kick some BUTT!

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No disagreement from me! But

No disagreement from me! But than you have the Grizz's of the world. The American census has been identifying light skinned Negros as mulattos for years. It can bring feelings of resentment if used today. Our president proudly achknowledges his African and American heritage.

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I'm sure Delta flys one way to Kenya!

Maybe he will buy a ticket in November!

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And where can we send you?

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I will be at my farm/retreat in the country

But I go there of my own free will. Be nice.

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