Liberals and gay unions: In total, it’s all about sex

The controversy surrounding Chick-fil-A’s CEO’s statement in support of traditional marriage is just the latest example of freedom — and decency — being trampled in the name of the insatiable need to legitimize sexual license.

We are constantly told by partisans of the sexual revolution, whether they be defenders of (free-to-all, taxpayer subsidized) contraception or advocates for same-sex marriage, that sex is no big deal, that those with traditional sexual morality need to just relax, stop being uptight, and let all live each according to their own proclivities, so long as they don’t harm the innocent.

OK, I basically have no problem with that notion, but the other side belies this casual attitude when they feel their sexual mores are in the slightest way attacked. They launch into nasty, ugly attacks on their opponents, dismiss civility, and, in the case of Chick-fil-A, even threaten to use government power to punish transgressors of the latest party line on sexuality.

So, sex is a big deal after all, isn’t it? Let’s not kid ourselves. Look at history.

The greatest king of Jewish history, David, forever tarnished his legacy and kingdom due to his lust for Bathsheba, whose husband he had killed just so he could be with her. Or how about John the Baptist, who was beheaded by King Herod simply out of the lustful passion inspired by the dancing of Salome, his stepdaughter?

King Henry VIII broke with the Catholic Church in order to satisfy his desire for Ann Boleyn, an act of double irony since shortly before he had been given the title “Defender of the Faith” by the pope for his staunch defense of Catholic doctrine, and shortly after he had Boleyn killed for adultery.

In our own time some of the key social and political battles are waged over sexuality, be it abortion, contraception, marriage, divorce, etc.

In perhaps the greatest affront to the principles of our country, President Obama reneged on his promise to exempt religious institutions from having to provide morally objectionable services and, with the imperiousness Henry VIII would have been proud of, simply informed the Catholic Church and everyone else that they would have to provide contraception and abortifacient drugs for free.

Why, when such drugs are already available at almost no cost from Planned Parenthood or other entities? Why do I and every other citizen have to subsidize free contraception when so many other forms of healthcare, forms which actually cure or prevent disease, are not going to be free?

And then there’s gay marriage. Those who believe it to be wrong, a belief universally accepted and affirmed throughout human history, are now mocked and calumniated for being hateful, bigoted, intolerant.

In another breathtaking act of imperial fiat, Obama instructed the Justice Department to stop enforcing the Defense of Marriage Act to help clear the way for its repeal and the federal support for gay marriage.

The Executive Branch, responsible for executing the laws of the land and protecting the Constitution, is betraying both sacred trusts out of a desire to normalize, legitimize, and in fact promote sexual practices that had until very recently been considered immoral, unwise, and destructive.

So don’t tell me sex is no big deal when a president, a political party, and bands of activists throughout the land are willing and eager to trash the Constitution and the very underpinnings of modern, constitutional democracy to get their way come hell or high water. God help us all.

Trey Hoffman

Peachtree City, Ga.

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I am absolutely disgusted by

I am absolutely disgusted by the homophobic propaganda this newspaper has published over the past few weeks and the support shown for it by members of this community. It seems to me that “liberal” has become synonymous with “tolerant” and conservative has become synonymous with “intolerant”, in which case I would be proud to call myself liberal.
The issue of equal rights for homosexuals isn’t about “sex”, it is about equal rights. This country has a long history of discrimination that most people have the decency to be ashamed of. It is still plagued by prejudice. In most cases, it is taboo in this country to outwardly display prejudice against people based on skin color, gender, religion, etc. (beliefs that were once "universally accepted and affirmed throughout human history"). After all, our ancestors fought hard to create a place where everyone is treated equally, to uphold the idea this country was founded upon. We have come a long way since then. Yet it is still socially acceptable to discriminate against homosexuals, to call them “immoral” and “deviant”, some commenters have even had the ignorance to correlate “gay” with “pedophile” and “bestiality”. Many insist that the lifestyle is a choice. At what point in life did you “decide” you were straight? When did you “decide” to be attracted to your spouse and not another person? Many throw religion at the issue. What did Jesus say about tolerance? You likely didn't even decide to be Christian, you were probably born and raised into it.
It would much rather see children raised with tolerance in a loving home by a same sex couple than raised by a heterosexual couple hell bent on passing a long history of intolerance and hatred onto the next generation. Reality is that the world we live in is a diverse one. The sooner we learn to tolerate and accept differences, to live and let live, the better off we will all be. Hopefully one day soon our descendants will look back on this time period as incredulously as we look back on the civil rights movement 50 years ago.

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Homophobic Propaganda-disgustedone

disgustedone says he/she is "absolutely disgusted by the homophobic propaganda this newspaper has published over the past few weeks and the support shown for it by members of this community."

But you are OK with the disgusting physical act of two men or two women having sex with each other? Sorry, but the whole idea of that physical act disgusts me!

I have taught my children to be tolerent of people who are "different." But I have also explained to them why I feel something, including homosexuality is wrong.

Only because YOU and others like you think that homosexuality is OK, doesn't make it right.

You and others like you, like to call us who don't agree with your opinion about homosexuality, homophobic. That would indicate that we/I have a fear of homosexuals. I and others are not "afraid" nor do I possess a "fear" of homosexuals, we just don't agree with it nor think it is "normal."

I have not taught my children to "hate" homosexuals. I have taught them to be tolerent of them and understand that they beleive differently than we do.

To call us homophobes and bigots and more is also pretty narrow minded. I'm thinking maybe you are a bit of a heterophobe?

And since you post annonomously, we really don't know who you are. Maybe you are just someone who likes to stir the pot?

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By the way combat

By the way combat correspondent - if you are so disgusted by the physical acts of same sex couples, turn those videos off. No one's forcing you to watch them.

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Disgusted's videos
disgustedone wrote:

By the way combat correspondent - if you are so disgusted by the physical acts of same sex couples, turn those videos off. No one's forcing you to watch them.

Sorry to disappoint you yet again, but I don't watch those kinds of movies. Why would I watch movie of something that I find absolutely disgusting, disgustedone?

Maybe you could share with us some of your personal favorites since you seem to have so much more experience with those kinds of movies and that type of behavior?

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Hoarder - I'll let you know

Hoarder - I'll let you know once you return them all to netflix. I'm on the waiting list.

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Hey combatcorrespondent

Is there something that two dudes can do sexually that a man/woman also can't do? Maybe I'm missing something.

If you're talking about sodomy, last I checked, men+women engage in both forms of it. Surveyed homos indicate that the majority of them don't engage at all in the more extreme option. I have no idea....not interested and don't care.

Yeah, the whole subject is rather gross, but the next time someone talks about "sex in an uncomfortable place," just ask them "where? in the back of a Volkswagen?"

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Nuk & A VW

Especially if it was a Karmann Ghia!

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Nuk_1 Should Ask Disgustedone?
NUK_1 wrote:

Is there something that two dudes can do sexually that a man/woman also can't do? Maybe I'm missing something. Yeah, the whole subject is rather gross...

I'm thinking you should direct that question to disgustedone since he/she seems to have MUCH more experience with the mechanics of all that than most of us ...

But I do agree that it sounds pretty gross

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I can tell you where you can

I can tell you where you can stick that gun. As if you don't already know. ;0)

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Sticking that gun....

...in the back of a Volkswagen? Is that the answer? :)

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You're right "combat

You're right "combat correspondent". Mission accomplished. Glad to have ruined your day. :)

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disgustedone wrote:

You're right "combat correspondent". Mission accomplished. Glad to have ruined your day. :)

Sorry, Dude/Dudette or whatever you are, the joke's on you!! :-) My day was definately NOT ruined!! :-) YOU are the one in here ranting about how homosexuals are being discrimated against and how we should all just accept that disgusting behavior!! I'm just saying I don't agree with it!!

Sorry to disappoint you!!

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CBTC'dent

Your experience & background should tell you that you're
pizzin in the wind here.

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Wow disgusted

AMEN!!

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Homosexuals have the exact same rights as the rest of us do.

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Homosexuals have the exact same rights as the rest of us do.

Grizz said it - it must be true. No more discussion about homosexuals getting married - they have the right to!!! No more discussion about insurance rights, inheritance rights, etc., etc., etc. - homosexuals have the same rights as the rest of us. Thanks Grizz!

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bless your heart, you little imbecilic wench. Homosexuals have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex, just as the rest of us do. None of us can marry someone of the same sex. It's equal rights for all!

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None of us can marry someone of the same sex. It's equal rights for all!

Thanks for the clarification. Tell that to the homosexuals that have married!! (You are so entertaining!! LOL)

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I don't know why liberals

I don't know why liberals complain about having gay intercourse when conservatives are lambasted every day by the liberal media just for walking outside. What about us?

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the modern project of "autonomy"

I often disagree with Trey Hoffman's positions, but here I think he is onto something big. Recently a Catholic bishop from Scotland, Philip Tartaglia, commented this way on the struggle between religious belief and modern consciousness: "The question of autonomy, of freedom and supremacy, plays itself out, among other places, in the contest between religious and sexual freedom. Absolute sexual freedom lies at the heart of the modern autonomy project."

In other words, for many people today, it is not enough to be free to act on their sexual impulses; instead, they see it as essential to their human dignity that society treat their choices not only as justifiable but as laudable. This is true not only of gays but of heterosexuals who cohabitate, bear children out of wedlock, commit adultery and "move on" from their children and longtime spouses through divorce. Though some of this behavior still occasions a hint of disapproval, we have learned to tolerate all of it--and, often, to celebrate it. I suspect we will learn to do the same with gay unions of various stripes, with the same likely and unhappy consequences for the good of society.

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Madprof & "laudable"

laudable huh---that's laughable! Just ask Bobby Petrino!

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Hey Madprof, did Tartaglia, the scottish Catholic bishop happen

to say just where and in what category do the priests who prey on young girls and boys who are helpless to protect themselves fall in his theory? Better yet, did he mention the Catholic Bishops who chose to just move these priests around to different parishes when they are discovered so they could prey on a new batch of youngsters rather than bring them to justice? No? I thought not. Seems the Catholic church not only learned to tolerate it but did a bang up job of covering it up. Do you also feel that we will learn to tolerate and often celebrate their actions as well--with those same likely and unhappy consequences to the good of society? I think before the good bishop pontificates, he needs to clean up his own dominion. If I had to choose between a homosexual and a predatory priest, give me the homosexual any day.

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madprof, it's called 'degradation of morality'...

...and it's in full descent in the USA. Rationalization can be used to make just about anything palatable, and eventually acceptable. We use psychiatrists and psychologists to define what is right or wrong; as long as you can find some of these 'experts' to justify your actions, you can get away with just about anything. We as a nation now have no unified moral code, so live and let live - don't judge me and let me do as I please; it's all an acceptable way to live - I don't have to restrain myself from ANYTHING, as long as I can find a reason to excuse the behavior.

This degradation is seen daily in the conduct of many of our children, the many types of 'lifestyles' that now abound, and the constant drug-related crimes committed, just to name a few.

I oft repeat a line I heard somewhere - I think it was in a movie - 'the greatest trick the Devil ever played was to make us think he doesn't exist'. Seems apropo here...

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I don't celebrate what I consider wrong. However, in the United States, unless it is a criminal act, a citizen has a right to live according to his/her own beliefs. The media treats certain situations as 'laudable'. It's not fair to say all Americans do. Chick fil A provides a service to my community; it treats all Americans with respect and dignity; the owner has a right to his beliefs and what he supports as a private citizen. I KNOW that Chick fil A has homosexuals in its employee - but that question is not on their application and is nobody's business. With all of the scandals written about the Catholic church and it's priests - let's truly follow our Constitution and separate church and state!! The humans in a church do not always practice what they preach!! Gay unions have been around since man could write. It is nothing new. I consider descriminating against a person because of his skin color, race, religion, sexual preference, gender - WRONG.

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discrimination and the good of society

The angry comments about pedophile priests on threads like this make it clear that even supporters of gay marriage think some behaviors other than "intolerance" should be the objects of discrimination--in fact, that such behaviors should be prohibited and that those who engage in them should be punished. The obvious reason is that they hurt other people, especially those in no position to defend themselves.

In fact, same-sex marriage is the same sort of behavior. Its principal object is to normalize a new type of family: one in which innocent children are deliberately deprived of either a mother or a father. The pernicious and long-lasting effects of such deprivation are only now being seriously investigated, but the Tolerance Troops have already begun shutting down adoption agencies that refuse to go along with this politically correct standard of normality.

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Oh, just one other thing, Madprof, I am not angry. As I have

stated on this site many times, I do not get angry at things posted here. I may disagree, I may think someone come's off as a bigot or buffoon but I don't get angry. Now, I must admit I do get angry when I read or hear about people who mistreat innocent, little children who are not capable of protecting themselves. That makes me very angry--

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Madprof, in my book you lose all credibility when you equate

priests or others in authority preying on young innocent children to two consulting adults of same sex wanting to be married. Many innocent children are deprived of either a mother or father by death, divorce, even service in the military. Children in a same sex marriage have two parents, who evidently wanted to provide a loving home to a child. I find your use of the word pernicious to describe what you consider deprivation of a mother or father to be disingenuous. As you stated there is no study in place that shows that having parents of the same sex is harmful to a child, yet you use a word that by definition is: deadly,destructive, malicious, wicked. At best, your statements have no basis, at worst they are an excellent example of perniciousness.

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Well said!!!!! Having worked for well over 30 years with FAMILIES - I can say that there are 'two parent/man and woman' families that have been positive for a childs development and negative for a childs development. There are also families where the two parent are of the same sex that have been positive for a childs development and negative for a childs development. Sex/gender does not determine a loving family.