Free-for-all in PTC election? 5 in for mayor’s slot, 4 seats open

As the calendar turns to August, the political season will begin to heat up in Peachtree City as candidates have to enter the race during the qualifying period Aug. 26-30.

Voters in November will be filling at least three vacancies: the office of mayor and both the Post 3 and Post 4 council seats. A fourth council seat is also expected to be up for grabs because Councilman George Dienhart will be required by ordinance to give up his Post 2 seat to run for mayor in a crowded field that includes sitting mayor Don Haddix, current Post 4 Councilwoman Vanessa Fleisch, former mayor Harold Logsdon and businessman Ryan Jolly.

When Dienhart qualifies for mayor, he will have to resign his Post 2 seat, which will remain vacant until the election is complete. The winner of the Post 2 seat will be able to take office immediately after the election results are certified and will serve the remaining term of just more than two years.

Several citizens have already announced they will be running for individual seats on council, including Josh Bloom and former police captain Terry Ernst. Candidates for council posts must choose which post they wish to seek, since they are not restricted by a certain geographical district.

With four council seats up for grabs, that leaves Councilman Eric Imker as the only holdover, with potentially a new mayor and perhaps four brand-new rookie council members come Jan. 1, 2014.

This opportunity for change may sit well with some residents who have become disenchanted with the discord and strife that have broken out on occasion among the current council.

Qualifying for the election begins at 8:30 a.m. Monday, Aug. 26 and ends at 4:30 p.m. Friday, Aug. 30.

Candidates must pay a qualifying fee of $270 for mayor and $180 for council.

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Pumpkin, please refresh my memory as to any racist remarks you

seem to feel I have made on this site. Now put on your thinking cap, get our your dictionary and make sure that it was a racist remark I made.

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troll=DM= pumpkin

Mytmite, they are all one, that is why you don't understand the logic of pumpkin.

I wonder how long she can keep talking to herself?

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Quit candidly....

I’m not convinced that I’d want George Dienhart being my representative (image) from Peachtree City.

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QUITE Candidly--Bostonian 212

Would you share with us your rationale for this position? Thanks.

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Race

Why does race always have to come into play, and Pumpkin why store up hate and discontent, "contact the NAACP"
I am a senior citizen, white male, raised in the deep south in the sixties, raised to be racist. Joined USAF in Viet Nam era, I have been called names, spit on, discriminated against, as well as my wife for being military, well guess what, I got over it, I cannot see skin color and have not since early 70's, raised my kids the same way. I can have a gathering of my kids friends at the house and see, Asian, hispanic etc, but they do not have a color, so get off this race crap. PTC is a very great place to live for all people without fear of being victim of a hate or race crime. So why bring up race ... ok my soap box is back in storage

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not race theprez ----accountability

my point was all of the nasty racial and uncalled for comments made by the citizens on this discussion.(have you read Morgan and Mytmite if not start reading their comments on everything, you will soon understand what my point was really about) ---- my point was to call out these statements. my point is read those statements. someone should come in and stop it.

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"Someone should come in and stop it?"

Nice fascist statement there.

Plenty of other countries you can take your very ignorant self to if you want government to regulate what you can or cannot say politically. Here? Uh, not so much. It's under the auspices of The Citizen's owners and what Cal Beverly decides and sometimes that might offend you. You always have the choice to not ready anything here and shut up, but that's maybe a lot to expect from you.

I hate having to explain this to you like you were a child or had an IQ of about 60, but it is what it is sometimes.

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theprez see what i mean

theprez please also take note of 'longtimers' comments.

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To all... Those that are hung-up seeing Race..

...will always see Race in everything they do or read. It "Colors", pun intended, their entire life.

It's a crutch used to hold onto a past that they can point to for any perceived failures or grievances they "feel" they should have.

Most Americans have moved on and move past the racist views...but not race baiters inc... nope it is a way of life now. Without it they have nothing left.

Pumpkin and DM are the two best typical examples of this attitude. Everyone is racist...everything said MUST
have some hidden racist meaning. If you don't agree with them ***BANG*** racist.

Just like Pumpkin's threat and DM's agreement to turn us in to the NAACP and shutdown Free Speech they need to be just ignored..

Those like Sharpton, Jackson and the rest of Race Baiters inc... they are past their prime and need to just fade away.
The only way that is going to happen if we just ignore them.

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STF has shared his/her opinion. I just ask that you speak honestly when attributing an idea or suggestion to me. I have never suggested that the name calling expressed in this blog be turned over to the NAACP. I stated quite clearly that the NAACP (National Office) does not deal on that level. The NAACP took their concern regarding the voting outcome in FC to the courts. That is being dealt with. Sticks and stones may hurt me - but not your words. There are many who read my opinion, and that is what I share (my opinion), and of course there are those who may or may not agree with my opinion. My purpose is to share what one black woman feels about 'racism' in America. It is surprising that there are a few people who refuse to understand that I am proud of the progress that I have witnessed in the south. . . .especially in Fayetteville, GA. Believe me, when I arrived in 2003, I expected to be treated as my family and i were treated in the 50's.

I am proud of the support that the poor and undereducated (of which a too large segment is 'black') receive from citizens of our country of all races, religions, and creeds. I am aware of many organizations (black) who have worked for the past 100 years in programs that uplift those who were denied opportunities to achieve the American dream.

As we have spent decades trying to bolster or hinder children based on the color of their skin, other parts of the world have spent their time educating their young - and globally, our children are behind! My concern today is living in a wonderful city with a very good school district, but the state educational achievement is 48 or 49 out of the 50 states. (I would be most happy if someone posted that I am wrong with this 'statistic')

As I check on the Forum page, there are many who do not ignore my comments. I'm sure there are many who don't want to be associated with the denigration of my race. There are some who wish to ignore my opinions and I'm sure they just ignore any comment made by Davids Mom. Hey - that's what 'freedom' is all about!!

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Mr. Lindsay – Agreement with a Twist

Blacks are performing poorly in policing their brothers and sisters in reducing single parent families, “thuggary,” and poor educational attainment. It is always easier to play a card that externalizes blame than to engage in the hard work required to remedy a bad situation.

Whites underestimate the damage that several centuries of slavery and Jim Crow laws inflicted upon the black community. Whites simplistically contend that a few decades of affirmative action have leveled the playing field.

As you suggest, ignoring the condemnations from the other race could be a helpful strategy for all sides as long as each race redoubles their own efforts (within their own race) to advance strategies that truly result in equality. It is in the best interests of all Americans to move beyond reflexive name-calling which (as you point out) merely obfuscates the discussion.

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To the prez

Being spit on for being military is not quite the same as being discriminated against because of the color of your skin. The disservice that was done to our Viet Nam veterans was disgraceful, and I hope we (Americans) never, ever treat those who sacrifice so much in such an ignorant manner again. PTC and Fayetteville are great places to live for all residents, and I congratulate you for not seeing skin color and welcoming your children's friends into your home. Asians, Hispanics, African- Americans and Native Americans are proud of their skin color and the history of their forefathers . They were not raised to be racist, but in this country, some suffered from the teaching of racism. This 'crap' called race is trying to destroy our country. Every American should feel proud of who he/she is - even if they are not 'white'. You as a former racist have overcome. You are in the majority. We cannot let those who have not overcome racist views succeed in keeping Americans apart. The color of ones skin does not determine the intentions of the heart. There are those who still have fear of Americans of a different color. Your children and my grandchildren benefit from our teaching and practices. My experience has been that you can't heal the disease by ignoring it. MLK and others addressed it head-on and succeeded in changing some racist practices in our country. Fayetteville and PTC are role models for the new south. Neighbors are neighborly! Our governing bodies in Fayette County do not represent the progress in race relations in this county. Politics probably has more to do with this than skin color, but the Federal Court heard the case brought by the Georgia NAACP - and our local leaders are working with the findings of that decision. (And the ugliness of racism and fear of those who are a different color is apparent). My ten years of living in Fayette County have been peaceful - probably because I've stayed clear of the politics in this county. If citizens continue to be neighborly, the denigration of either race will fall on deaf ears.

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Bad Choices so far...

Is this the best field of candidates we can get for Mayor? None of them are my choice...retreads and Council Members that showed and demonstrated anything but leadership. What a disgrace to local politics that we may have to vote Harold back in again...SIGH

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Vote Jolly! (or potentially Deinhart)

Sure, the best mayor would be beyond reproach and do nothing except keep the council in line and negotiate differences. But in the real world, those that would do so have enough sense to spend their time in more rewarding endeavors. So we're left with a collection of flawed characters.

Personally I believe one with a (foolish) sense of public service is less apt to be corrupt compared with one of a self or ego-serving motivation. That's why I recommend Ryan Jolly for Mayor, over such ego/self-serving characters such as Haddix, Logsdon, and Thompson (not that Thompson has announced, but why would he, if not for personal gain?).

Deinhart is a close second, however incumbency breeds corruption and I am not convinced Deinhart would not partake in the inevitable perks at our expense. But if Deinhart makes it clear that his motivation is truly altruistic, then he's earned my vote.

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Thanks Citizen Steve

I appreciate the consideration. I assure you my intension is strictly altruistic. I have never asked for, nor been granted any kind of special consideration. In fact as a honorably discharged Marine my sense of honor is always precluded me from any such behavior.

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Deinhart and Logsdon in a runoff

While any of the candidates would be a 1000% improvement in terms of demeanor and class, the real reason for a mayor is to provide leadership and direction while having some knowledge of how the city works. With that in mind a little experience holding an elected job is not a bad thing. Neither Logsdon or Deinhart have done much of anything when in office, but they also have not been sued or censored or shunned, nor have they misdirected city money and they have both shown some ability to work with others.

Not sure which I will vote for, but I know there will be a runoff and I think it will be these 2. And no matter what - things will improve. Hope we get King and Ernst on council with Learnard and Imker. Good lineup.

Jolly really needs to run for council instead and get some experience.

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I agree that King and Ernst would make excellent councilmen.

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Bad Choices so far...

Is this the best field of candidates we can get for Mayor? None of them are my choice...retreads and Council Members that showed and demonstrated anything but leadership. What a disgrace to local politics that we may have to vote Harold back in again...SIGH

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Ladies choice

I'm fine with Kim continuing and I think Vanessa would be an outstanding Mayor. She would certainly be focused on business development and when you team her with the two that really run the city Betsy Tyler and Nancy Price, we might be able to dig ourselves out of this funk that we seem to be in. We certainly don't need to go back to Logsdon and have a replay - not that he actually did anything wrong, but since it is long past time for a change - let's change to something new.

Women in general are much more about cooperation and consensus-building. Guys have a natural tendency to react and fight and bully others. Which one makes more sense for our fair city? Maybe we can go all out and get a female city manager next year. Wonder what Chris Venice is doing now?

I'm still annoyed Cyndi Plunkett was rejected last time. That was a huge mistake.

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Who's Next

We need at least one or two more running for the mayor spot...don't you think?

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Just Say No To Donnie Darko

Not a particularly exciting bunch to choose from for mayor but hard to imagine any of them would be worse than the guy holding the title now. But then again a lot of us thought no one could be worse than The Brown Clown. Donnie proved us wrong on that thought. Shame that Cyndi won't consider another run. But then again who can blame her? Don't know what she's doing these days but it's gotta be better than being beat up by Cal and the bloggers.

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Be very wary PTC

With at large voting in ptc how long will it be before the naacp a$$holes think they need a black only district here. Or does Steve Brown already have that in the works. KMFA naacp.

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That would be one convoluted district, LT

Not that the NAACP racists wouldn't try it, but with 7% black and 7% hispanic in PTC - even combining them only gets you 2/3 of the way to that 20% figure that seems to be the threshold for the NAACP shysters pushing their racist agenda.

Besides, there is no black (or brown) areas in PTC. I have had black neighbors as I'm sure many others in PTC have had and I did not even think deeply about it. We should be proud to say we are somewhat integrated without outside pressure from the NAACP or anyone else and that we have no "us and them" mentality which apparently exists in Fayette County -or at least a perceived mentality which clusters people in geographic areas based upon skin color. I am very happy we do not have that in PTC and we certainly do not need the NAACP to enlighten us.

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Wow!

A 'black' district in PTC? You mean if a qualified 'black' ran for office in PTC, that would upset the 'apple cart'? Glad I live in Fayetteville!! What happened to those participants who said the 'skin color' of a candidate didn't matter? Only enlightened 'white' folks live in Fayetteville? Geez. (What an insult to the many wonderful people that I have met who are residents of PTC.)

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DM -Think you are hyper sensitive on this one

RWM appeared to be commenting on the NAACP's convoluted logic to create a gerrymandered district to help insure a black is elected.(not guaranteed but pretty likely in the case of the N Fayette Districting). The NAACP's logic is racist and they think that "white" folks can't vote for a quality candidate who happens to be black. THAT IS TOTALLY RACIST!!! You show me a good conservative candidate regardless of race and I would vote for them.

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Below DM refers you to her response to me re: district voting. I'll save you some time. It's just more of her doublespeak that really doesn't address the point of the post that she's responding to.

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Yet you support moving our county government closer to this model by supporting district voting. Simply because you want to see a person of color on the panel.

Mr. Johnson on the Fayetteville City Council represents the citizens of Fayetteville and blacks were not the only ones who voted for him. Don't put the obvious desire of The NAACP and the federal government as my personal desire. I'm sure you'll support the candidacy of Bonnie Willis if she or any other black conservative consents to run . I don't live in the suggested district . That person will not represent me and my neighbors . It's too bad that in 2013 we're even having this discussion. Let's hope that whoever is elected will work cooperatively with the representatives from the other districts. Only by working together will Fayette County citizens be well served. Get the point ?

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I get the point

Yes DM, I get your point. Your point is always racial and if anyone tries to remove race from the discussion to discuss the actual merits of anything they are immature, naive, etc, etc. You've made that clear.

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The point of District voting was brought up because of the NAACP's action on the reality of no minority representative on a FC governing body. That made the issue racial - not Davids Mom. You have stated why you would be against District Voting and accused me of only wanting it in order to see a minority on a county governing board. The vote/or change will not affect me directly, since I do not live within the proposed lines of the new district. I would like to have a representative on the board who would represent me and my specific concerns; school attendance areas; safety and security in my unique location; water and electrical services; control of deer families in 'new' developments; removal of dead animals from 'private' streets; location and supervision of public school bus stops. As I stated before, you and others are wrong about my reasons for District voting. However, it would be more representative of the current FC to have a minority on county governing organizations if they are qualified and duly elected. I hope the verbiage has not clouded the reality of why District voting IS A RACIAL ISSUE. You and I disagree on the need for ending Districtwide voting.

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RWM appeared to be commenting on the NAACP's convoluted logic to create a gerrymandered district to help insure a black is elected.(not guaranteed but pretty likely in the case of the N Fayette Districting). The NAACP's logic is racist and they think that "white" folks can't vote for a quality candidate who happens to be black. THAT IS TOTALLY RACIST!!! You show me a good conservative candidate regardless of race and I would vote for them.

I agree. Why is it acceptable?

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I believe you, See my reply to G35 ( District Voting)

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Add another troll...pumpkin

Besides being the only person whoever dropped by here that supports Don Haddix like a religious icon, the comments about wanting the NAACP to come here and stop some discussion leads me to believe without a doubt............another troll!

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Know What? That is just what I did, and with a cover letter

Hopefully someone will be contacting our Mayor or our bloggers.

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Pumpkin head, Sqaush brains bring em on

Is this what you were like as a kid, things didn't go your way or you didn't like what someone said so you ran and got mommy or the teacher. That is one of the biggest problems we have as a country, nobody has the cahonies to fend for themselves. Something goes wrong or (God forbid) somebody says something that (this is a big word for you) offends you, call in the Government to take care of it. Why is that, are you too Lazy, Scared or are you just another wuss that the government has raised from cradle to grave. Mommy he got more than me so take some from him and give it to me, BS. If you want it earn it, and that goes for Votes also. You show me a black guy that gets up every morning, goes to work and supports his family and doesn't whip out the race card like he's playin Acey Deucey, hes got my vote. Or should I say he would have had my vote, not now, since you and your crony's brought in your Knights in Rusted Armor (naacp) I will not vote for a black candidate in Fayette county for any office. The funny thing is that if a black candidate with the right qualifications had come forward (not that idiot that wouldn't pay her filing fee, wouldn't submit answers to the paper like the other candidates, then dropped out) they had as good a chance at getting elected as anyone. You put up someone like this person below and I'd guarantee they could win. You Pumpkin are just Rotting on the vine!

http://www.jacksonforlg.com/the-speech-that-rocked-virginia/

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And there you have

the voice of the minority - yesteryear.

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Or should I say he would have had my vote, not now, since you and your crony's brought in your Knights in Rusted Armor (naacp) I will not vote for a black candidate in Fayette county for any office

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Longtimer & Elections

As someone has previously posted, the BOE had an opportunity to choose from the list of volunteers, a highly qualified black lady who was an admitted conservative when there was a vacancy and instead they chose Presberg,who later became the Chairman. My guess is that if Bonnie Willis decided to run for any elective office in the county,her chance of getting elected sould be excellent--and I would also postulate that many black voters would not vote for her--just because she's a declared conservative--and they're not.

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AHG & BOE

That whole thing was a set-up from the beginning by the dynamic duo of Smith/Smola (closet democrats) as a parting gift to the citizens of Fayette County. The fix was in before the process started. Yes they had a couple of well qualified black citizens that they could have chosen from but chose the white atheist democrat over the others. Trust me heads are still shaking over that one. Also, you think that we have had problems with the County comm. before you just wait. This new district will be an island on its own, instead of working together and reporting to ALL of the County Citizens you will now have 5 reps. trying to cut a pie 5 ways and nobody will win.
Of course these citizens will now have a known democrat representing them, for what good it will do. I watched this same thing happen to the once thriving Clayton county, take a look at the demographics of who is in charge over there now, enough said.
But hey, my kids are out of school now and its time for us to move on.
Great place when we moved here 30 years ago, not so now.

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Assumptions

based on race is killing the harmony that this county could enjoy. There are black Republicans in FC and white Democrats.
It's sad that AGH feels that a staunch Republican like Bonnie Willis could not win an election here. She is articulate, a contributor to the party and the community and well known. Sad indeed. I am unashamedly an Obama supporter and a 'liberal' - but if she ran - I might even vote for her! :-)

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Actually, what is sad is that you have the reading comprehension skills of a day-old corpse. I'm not sure who AGH is. But if you were referring to AHG, he stated that he thought her chances were excellent. Then again, you're only parroting what you wanted him to have said.

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What do you expect? She's the town Skeezer.

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Please do not feed the troll

They will go away

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Don't feed the Skeez

Don't feed the town Skeezer

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Wow Joe...

Stay classy

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Moc

You''re absolutely right! And that is most encouraging! Will you vote for her also?

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I have been very impressed with Ms Willis. Both her contributions to this blog and her credentials. Will I vote for her? Who is she running against? You? If so, then definitely. If not you, who is her opponent? You see, I wouldn't rule someone in or out based on just their skin color. Unlike you, I need more information.....

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I would never vote for someone like you. - and I don 't know your skin color
, but your heart . . . . Not very impressive IMO . We need people in leadership who see more than one side of a situation, and at least can listen to opposition and look for ways to work through problems and reach reasonable solutions. You are proud of being a mean old conservative. Mrs. Willis is a principled conservative. Those like her need to speak up! There are democrats who are fiscal conservatives - but this conservative social ideology is obstructive IMO. - and losing the minority, women, youth and independent vote. It's a shame that this ideology is wedded to the Republican Party. Have a nice evening.

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That is the beauty of it troll. I'm neither running for office OR trying to impress you.

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I will ignore your responses from now on. I am not a troll. I am a citizen of Fayette County. I am a woman who is proud of her gender and her race. I respect the opportunity that the editor has provided for free speech. You have identified yourself as a mean old conservative , and I call you that . I have identified myself as Davids mom - not 'troll'.

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You've kind of lost traction with arguing you are not a troll. See, when someone writes "Please don't feed the troll" without specifying you by name, and you write back "The troll....is not hungry", you took the bait. You've embraced it and kind of own it then......lock, stock and barrel.

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You were one of the first classy contributors who added 'troll' to my name. Thanks for the clarification of who was being identified.

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Which contributor here wrote at 7:10 last night "The troll...isn't hungry." in response to someone saying "Please do not feed the troll"? Oh, that's right. It was Davids mom.

By the way, you forgot that you are ignoring my responses again.....

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Isn't hungry.

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Please share the results of your effort.

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Davids Mom----will do

if you aren't, you might want to consider becoming a member, it is quite interesting and for a yearly membership reasonable. I feel someone will either make comment here direct or contact the city. thanks dm.

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If you are speaking of the NAACP, I have been a member since high school, and have a life-long membership. My experience with the national organization is that it does not deal with this level of dissent - but rather with the law as it is applied to citizens of color. It is important for the majority of citizens to hear the dissent, and the caliber of person who is voicing the dissent. The Georgia NAACP took their concern of voting rights to the Federal Government. The Federal judge rendered a decision which favored the NAACP 's argument. It is my understanding that the leadership of Fayette County is dealing with the decision and deciding on the action they will take. The courts usually look at outcomes. In Fayette County, a local governing body has elected a person of color, peacefully and without fanfare.. The county has not - and the NAACP has stated the reason as being Disrictwide voting. It is apparent that there are still feelings of antagonism between some citizens of the south and the NAACP. The changing of a way of life was freedom for some, and a major disruption for others. This too shall pass. The majority of citizens in this county are good people. The discussion of race is a difficult one - because of the attempt to denigrate both races. The people that you note are not the majority - but it is important for their concerns to be heard and for us not to reply on a disrespectful level. Believe me, this response is not unexpected - and please note, there are those who have concenrs that are not based on race. Now, if you are speaking of the Democratic Party, I was more active when I first arrived here. The care of my mom curtailed some of my actvities. I've been participating on the blog for many years - I've personally met some bloggers, and elected not to meet others. I enjoyed my activity with the Democrats in Fayette County. It is a diverse organization. A old timer of FC gave me great advice about two years ago. Listen and learn from those who can disagree without denigrating - ignore the others .

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Davids Mom

thank you so much. I appreciate your taking the time to explain, you are right, I did not understand the full issue. I will work harder listening, reading and educating myself better. I don't understand the hatred in so many of the comments I read, I too am a seasoned citizen, you would think by now I would have learned one of the most important comments you made, the last one "ignore the others".

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Pumpkin

I need to follow my own advice!! LOL

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wow is right--but really omg! dm can you believe the comments

perhaps you and I should send copies of these comments to the naacp.

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..and there you have it.. "The Threat"

Don't like the comments turn them in to the oh so scary NAACP.

Wow... why don't you go ahead and send them the the New Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam as well..

Maybe they will come and protest on our front lawns...but then again this is Georgia so maybe that
is not a great idea after all..

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Apple Cart Turnover

"You mean if a qualified 'black' ran for office in PTC, that would upset the 'apple cart'?"
???Who said anything about a qualified "Black" candidate and why would that be a problem??? There are quite a few Blacks in PTC that I would say are very qualified and I wish they would run for office.

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Yellowjax1212

From my experience, you are in the majority. The sad reality is there are many good, qualified citizens in Fayette County - but most of them do not care to become involved in the 'politics' here.

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Just ignore her/them. Might go away.

New kind of tough love for our race-obsessed blogger.

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RWM, you are right------

I was trolling along on TheCitizen blog,
Typing away in my racist fog------

(For some people it is always --second verse same as first)